Comments on: Will the Real Ralph Nader Please Stand Up? http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:13:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: CK Canon http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24043 CK Canon Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:52:54 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24043 If caucuses are discarded, as well as the states that vote red, Obama would not have a delegate lead. This doesn't even factor in Florida and Michigan, who Obama supporters want to disenfranchise. Caucuses shouldn't count anyway since they disenfranchise seniors, people who work, military personnel, and so forth. If done like Washington state, my state, they don't even check voter registration so there are thousands who aren't even registered who participate (please prove me wrong). To his faithful, Obama says super delegates should vote the will of the people, and at the same time behind the scenes he is donating far more money to super delegates (as reported by NY Times) than Clinton. If listening to talk radio is any guide, many republicans will vote for Obama (the most liberal in the senate) in the upcoming primaries and elections, because they know he won't stand a chance in November. Of course I am bitter because Hillary is going to lose, but the best candidates are gone thanks to an outrageously bad nominating system. I'll probably get over it by November, but why not vote for Nader? Why should I care? Truth be told, for the first time in my life I will consider voting republican for president. If caucuses are discarded, as well as the states that vote red, Obama would not have a delegate lead. This doesn’t even factor in Florida and Michigan, who Obama supporters want to disenfranchise. Caucuses shouldn’t count anyway since they disenfranchise seniors, people who work, military personnel, and so forth. If done like Washington state, my state, they don’t even check voter registration so there are thousands who aren’t even registered who participate (please prove me wrong). To his faithful, Obama says super delegates should vote the will of the people, and at the same time behind the scenes he is donating far more money to super delegates (as reported by NY Times) than Clinton. If listening to talk radio is any guide, many republicans will vote for Obama (the most liberal in the senate) in the upcoming primaries and elections, because they know he won’t stand a chance in November. Of course I am bitter because Hillary is going to lose, but the best candidates are gone thanks to an outrageously bad nominating system. I’ll probably get over it by November, but why not vote for Nader? Why should I care? Truth be told, for the first time in my life I will consider voting republican for president.

]]> By: Bemac http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24042 Bemac Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:44:35 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24042 Nader was irrelevant in 2000. Gore lost the election in his home state of Tennessee, not Florida. (Florida was where Team Gore hoped to turn its loss into a win.) If Gore had managed to win his home state, he had more than enough electoral votes to claim the White House, Nader or no Nader. But even with Nader's votes in the Volunteer State, Gore wouldn't have won Tennessee. Team Gore came up with a campaign strategy that cost him the electoral votes of his home state. I suspect Gore realizes that Nader had nothing to do with his loss. Nader was irrelevant in 2000. Gore lost the election in his home state of Tennessee, not Florida. (Florida was where Team Gore hoped to turn its loss into a win.)

If Gore had managed to win his home state, he had more than enough electoral votes to claim the White House, Nader or no Nader. But even with Nader’s votes in the Volunteer State, Gore wouldn’t have won Tennessee.

Team Gore came up with a campaign strategy that cost him the electoral votes of his home state. I suspect Gore realizes that Nader had nothing to do with his loss.

]]> By: david still http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24041 david still Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:08:18 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24041 He looks older than even McCain and I for one want a new gang of crooks in power...out with the old! McCain is a what? check his record and check his speeches. ILf I were inteested in war, he would be my guy--stay the course with your kids but not mine. Ralph knows what is wrong he just doesn't realize those that can fix it benefit by the way it is and so won't fix it. He looks older than even McCain and I for one want a new gang of crooks in power…out with the old! McCain is a what? check his record and check his speeches. ILf I were inteested in war, he would be my guy–stay the course with your kids but not mine.

Ralph knows what is wrong he just doesn’t realize those that can fix it benefit by the way it is and so won’t fix it.

]]> By: mcjoyce http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24040 mcjoyce Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:57:29 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24040 Why is this Dem crying about Ralph? Ralphy brings out voters to the polls, and when they get there they vote for Democrat candidates for Congress and Senate. In order for Ralphy to actually hurt poor poor Hillary or Barack, he has to cause Hill/Barry to run behind McCain in a state and thus lose its electoral votes. Unlikely, so stop your sobbing. Why is this Dem crying about Ralph? Ralphy brings out voters to the polls, and when they get there they vote for Democrat candidates for Congress and Senate. In order for Ralphy to actually hurt poor poor Hillary or Barack, he has to cause Hill/Barry to run behind McCain in a state and thus lose its electoral votes. Unlikely, so stop your sobbing.

]]> By: Bob http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24039 Bob Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:45:36 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24039 He lied about the Corvair under oath to Congress, and he has lied about everything since then. He lied about the Corvair under oath to Congress, and he has lied about everything since then.

]]> By: Vail Beach http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24038 Vail Beach Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:58:52 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24038 I don't recall the same howls of outrage when Ross Perot ensured the victory of Bill Clinton in 1992 and ensured Dole had no realistic chance to win in '96. Some third party candidates are more entitled to run for office than others. The assumption in Merrit's piece and others like it is that Nader is insincere or stupid when he says there is no difference between Dems and Reeps. How dare she say that? I'll say this. If Gore had been president during 9/11, much of what Bush felt compelled to do to protect the country, including possibly an invasion of Iraq, would have been carried out by Gore. No matter what he says now. Nader might have altered Gore's career path, but I don't think he changed history much. I don’t recall the same howls of outrage when Ross Perot ensured the victory of Bill Clinton in 1992 and ensured Dole had no realistic chance to win in ’96. Some third party candidates are more entitled to run for office than others.

The assumption in Merrit’s piece and others like it is that Nader is insincere or stupid when he says there is no difference between Dems and Reeps. How dare she say that?

I’ll say this. If Gore had been president during 9/11, much of what Bush felt compelled to do to protect the country, including possibly an invasion of Iraq, would have been carried out by Gore. No matter what he says now. Nader might have altered Gore’s career path, but I don’t think he changed history much.

]]> By: Lewin Wickes http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24037 Lewin Wickes Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:56:54 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24037 Democrats were furious with me for voting for Nader in 2000. "If Nader had not run," they would say, "Gore would have been elected." I would reply, "Yes, if no one else runs against your candidate, he will win every time." It always strikes me as a profoundly undemocratic impulse when people get angry at third party candidates for being "spoilers." If someone thinks he has a better plan, then he should run for office, and more power to him. If Democrats don't want Nader running, then they should offer him a job. That's how it works. Democrats were furious with me for voting for Nader in 2000. “If Nader had not run,” they would say, “Gore would have been elected.” I would reply, “Yes, if no one else runs against your candidate, he will win every time.” It always strikes me as a profoundly undemocratic impulse when people get angry at third party candidates for being “spoilers.” If someone thinks he has a better plan, then he should run for office, and more power to him. If Democrats don’t want Nader running, then they should offer him a job. That’s how it works.

]]> By: Dick http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24036 Dick Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:24:25 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24036 Ralph Nader is irrelevant, but because of the potential close results in some states the few votes he draws could csuse another 4 years of right wing Republican rule. What an egomaniac. Ralph Nader is irrelevant, but because of the potential close results in some states the few votes he draws could csuse another 4 years of right wing Republican rule. What an egomaniac.

]]> By: paul a'barge http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24035 paul a'barge Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:12:33 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24035 Wahhhh.... Ralph is going to make us lose the Presidential election ... again!!! Wahhhh!! Wahhhh…. Ralph is going to make us lose the Presidential election … again!!! Wahhhh!!

]]> By: Kim Zigfeld http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_the_real_ralph_nader_plea/#comment-24034 Kim Zigfeld Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:01:54 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-the-real-ralph-nader-please-stand-up/#comment-24034 Anyone who steals votes from Democrats (especially, as James says, unqualified Democrats on the fast track to ruining the country)is A-OK in my book. I'd like to buy him dinner! Not that I'd be in the restaurant at the time, or even in the state, but I'd happily pick up the check. Run, Ralph, run! Anyone who steals votes from Democrats (especially, as James says, unqualified Democrats on the fast track to ruining the country)is A-OK in my book. I’d like to buy him dinner! Not that I’d be in the restaurant at the time, or even in the state, but I’d happily pick up the check.

Run, Ralph, run!

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