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		<title>By: harmonicminer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20064</link>
		<dc:creator>harmonicminer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Synthesized music is much farther down the road towards replacing &quot;real musicians&quot; than animation is towards replacing &quot;live actors&quot;.  What that experience has revealed is that there are very many &quot;humanizing&quot; elements in real humans with instruments in their hands that synthesists simply cannot recreate, not for lack of technology but for lack of imagination and the experience of BEING the kind of musician they&#039;re trying to synthesize.



I doubt that writers, producers and animators will, anytime soon (read, the next hundred years or so), be able to produce pure CGI performances with the depth, nuance and general sophistication that the best acting provides.  But that doesn&#039;t mean that a great deal of throwaway story telling won&#039;t be possible with CGI &quot;actors&quot;, just as the basic quality of an orchestral composition can be heard by a good synth mock-up.



We still need real guitarists, and real trumpet players, with all the power of modern synthesizers and software plug-ins.  Some of them continue to be in high demand, and command considerable celebrity power in certain quarters.  The same will be true of good actors for quite some time, I hope.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Synthesized music is much farther down the road towards replacing &#8220;real musicians&#8221; than animation is towards replacing &#8220;live actors&#8221;.  What that experience has revealed is that there are very many &#8220;humanizing&#8221; elements in real humans with instruments in their hands that synthesists simply cannot recreate, not for lack of technology but for lack of imagination and the experience of BEING the kind of musician they&#8217;re trying to synthesize.</p>
<p>I doubt that writers, producers and animators will, anytime soon (read, the next hundred years or so), be able to produce pure CGI performances with the depth, nuance and general sophistication that the best acting provides.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean that a great deal of throwaway story telling won&#8217;t be possible with CGI &#8220;actors&#8221;, just as the basic quality of an orchestral composition can be heard by a good synth mock-up.</p>
<p>We still need real guitarists, and real trumpet players, with all the power of modern synthesizers and software plug-ins.  Some of them continue to be in high demand, and command considerable celebrity power in certain quarters.  The same will be true of good actors for quite some time, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: purblind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20063</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood is already near dead. Video game sales in the US just hit $17 billion.  Peer-created entertainment like all the trash on youtube already out-draws studio movies by a long shot. Not to mention the explosive growth of internet porn. The battle is for entertainment interest, dollars, and time, and hollywood has already lost. Not that the writers will understand this in the least.

Personally, I dont like what is replacing Hollywood any more than I liked Hollywood.  But I do enjoy seeing the demise of these arrogant narcissistic Hollywood pukes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood is already near dead. Video game sales in the US just hit $17 billion.  Peer-created entertainment like all the trash on youtube already out-draws studio movies by a long shot. Not to mention the explosive growth of internet porn. The battle is for entertainment interest, dollars, and time, and hollywood has already lost. Not that the writers will understand this in the least.</p>
<p>Personally, I dont like what is replacing Hollywood any more than I liked Hollywood.  But I do enjoy seeing the demise of these arrogant narcissistic Hollywood pukes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ed</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20062</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have difficulty feeling any sympathy for the studios, the distributors, and those who run the and benefit from the system.
In the last two or three years I have purchased a number of DVDs, none of which I watched more than five minutes of. I just don&#039;t care anything about the story line or the characters and watching becomes more of a chore than entertainment.
Lets face it - The plots are stale and predictable and the characters are usually uninteresting and full of modern Liberal angst so  representative of the Liberal, politically correct thinking  of &quot;enlightened&quot; (presumably) artistic types.

I for one am sick to death of being lectured and hectored in all forms of media by Liberal sychophants sucking up to their progressive betters. I know it&#039;s wrong, but I feel so much satisfaction watching them twist in the wind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have difficulty feeling any sympathy for the studios, the distributors, and those who run the and benefit from the system.<br />
In the last two or three years I have purchased a number of DVDs, none of which I watched more than five minutes of. I just don&#8217;t care anything about the story line or the characters and watching becomes more of a chore than entertainment.<br />
Lets face it &#8211; The plots are stale and predictable and the characters are usually uninteresting and full of modern Liberal angst so  representative of the Liberal, politically correct thinking  of &#8220;enlightened&#8221; (presumably) artistic types.</p>
<p>I for one am sick to death of being lectured and hectored in all forms of media by Liberal sychophants sucking up to their progressive betters. I know it&#8217;s wrong, but I feel so much satisfaction watching them twist in the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Mendoza</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20061</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the past year, I&#039;ve seen one great war movie on DVD: Frank Miller&#039;s THE 300. I had to go on hiatus on Netflix for several months because there was nothing coming out that I wanted to see. Comedy has become juvenile and vulgar. Drama for adults is virtually non-existent.
Award shows became so ubiquitous that I stopped watching. And I generally skip the previews on the DVDs I rent.

What a change! I spent my Junior year in High School playing hookey and going to the library in the morning and the movies in the afternoons. .

I worked in Hollywood writing, directing and producing on air promos for CBS and ABC TV movies but before going to Hollywood, via a lover in Mallorca, I learned of the climate of fear in Hollywood where you could so easily get blacklisted (for everything BUT communism) It happened to me later.

The reason movies are so bad is that &quot;Produders&quot; exercise their non-existent creativity by rewriting what they don&#039;t have the talent to write in the first place. It happened to me. It happens to everyone.

When Mel Gibson couldn&#039;t get his movie THE PASSION distributed, so he found alternative methods of distribution  and made a fortune.

Tyler Perry, a black writer-producer did the same with his plays, showing them in movie houses and other venues. Now, he has a series on cable on his terms as well as several successful films.

Writers have never had power in Hollywood. They were seduced with swimming pools and lavish lifestyles but never given power. You hear Robert DeNiro (as Irving Thalberg) say it to Jack Nicholson in THE LAST TYCOON.

The studios always had power of distribution which gave them an iron grip. Now, you can make a film and sell it on Amazon.com. You don&#039;t need to show it in movie houses to get it seen.

I sometimes watch a series called THE DIRECTORS and it seems to me that writer-directors whose work I admire can&#039;t get jobs.
Well, be creative, guys. Do a single set film, pay everyone scale and points on the back end, and use the profits from that film to finance your next film.

Your audience awaits you.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past year, I&#8217;ve seen one great war movie on DVD: Frank Miller&#8217;s THE 300. I had to go on hiatus on Netflix for several months because there was nothing coming out that I wanted to see. Comedy has become juvenile and vulgar. Drama for adults is virtually non-existent.<br />
Award shows became so ubiquitous that I stopped watching. And I generally skip the previews on the DVDs I rent.</p>
<p>What a change! I spent my Junior year in High School playing hookey and going to the library in the morning and the movies in the afternoons. .</p>
<p>I worked in Hollywood writing, directing and producing on air promos for CBS and ABC TV movies but before going to Hollywood, via a lover in Mallorca, I learned of the climate of fear in Hollywood where you could so easily get blacklisted (for everything BUT communism) It happened to me later.</p>
<p>The reason movies are so bad is that &#8220;Produders&#8221; exercise their non-existent creativity by rewriting what they don&#8217;t have the talent to write in the first place. It happened to me. It happens to everyone.</p>
<p>When Mel Gibson couldn&#8217;t get his movie THE PASSION distributed, so he found alternative methods of distribution  and made a fortune.</p>
<p>Tyler Perry, a black writer-producer did the same with his plays, showing them in movie houses and other venues. Now, he has a series on cable on his terms as well as several successful films.</p>
<p>Writers have never had power in Hollywood. They were seduced with swimming pools and lavish lifestyles but never given power. You hear Robert DeNiro (as Irving Thalberg) say it to Jack Nicholson in THE LAST TYCOON.</p>
<p>The studios always had power of distribution which gave them an iron grip. Now, you can make a film and sell it on Amazon.com. You don&#8217;t need to show it in movie houses to get it seen.</p>
<p>I sometimes watch a series called THE DIRECTORS and it seems to me that writer-directors whose work I admire can&#8217;t get jobs.<br />
Well, be creative, guys. Do a single set film, pay everyone scale and points on the back end, and use the profits from that film to finance your next film.</p>
<p>Your audience awaits you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann C</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20060</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last post, sorry..  I forgot to give you the most startling number of all:

World of Warcraft has 9 million subscribers who paid any where from $20-50 for the software another $50 for the expansion (don&#039;t have the numbers on how many bought the additional expansion) and pay $15 a month subscription fee.   The net earnings per quarter was in the $100,000,000s range.  Studio execs would cream for those numbers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last post, sorry..  I forgot to give you the most startling number of all:</p>
<p>World of Warcraft has 9 million subscribers who paid any where from $20-50 for the software another $50 for the expansion (don&#8217;t have the numbers on how many bought the additional expansion) and pay $15 a month subscription fee.   The net earnings per quarter was in the $100,000,000s range.  Studio execs would cream for those numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann C</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20059</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ajacksonian:

You are spot on...

Interactive story telling through gaming is the future.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajacksonian:</p>
<p>You are spot on&#8230;</p>
<p>Interactive story telling through gaming is the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann C</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20058</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy:

&quot;But look at music - despite the small size of the files and ease of piracy, cd sales completely dominate the charts. Sure, they are down, but downloads are almost neglible as a percentage.&quot;

Are you crazy???  Have you really looked at the numbers in the music industry?  I used to work in that industry and still know people in the highest levels and believe me they are singing a much different tune, pardon the pun.  Why do you think Jay Z just left as the head of Def Jam to go full time into the hotel business.  And although download sales are up a bit, the industry is in decline over all.
You should do much more research before making statements like that:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/volume-goes-up.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/volume-goes-up.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB117444575607043728-lMyQjAxMDE3NzI0MTQyNDE1Wj.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB117444575607043728-lMyQjAxMDE3NzI0MTQyNDE1Wj.html&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy:</p>
<p>&#8220;But look at music &#8211; despite the small size of the files and ease of piracy, cd sales completely dominate the charts. Sure, they are down, but downloads are almost neglible as a percentage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you crazy???  Have you really looked at the numbers in the music industry?  I used to work in that industry and still know people in the highest levels and believe me they are singing a much different tune, pardon the pun.  Why do you think Jay Z just left as the head of Def Jam to go full time into the hotel business.  And although download sales are up a bit, the industry is in decline over all.<br />
You should do much more research before making statements like that:</p>
<p><a href="http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/volume-goes-up.html" rel="nofollow">http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/volume-goes-up.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB117444575607043728-lMyQjAxMDE3NzI0MTQyNDE1Wj.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB117444575607043728-lMyQjAxMDE3NzI0MTQyNDE1Wj.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ann C</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/will_new_media_destroy_hollywo/#comment-20057</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

For someone who is involved with new media, you are very backward thinking when it comes to the future of Hollywood.  We both know that Hollywood is losing buckets of money yearly.  Before the strike it was losing 6 billion a year alone in piracy and who knows how much in declining ticket sales.  And while you are right about who controls distribution controls the industry as it stands, you have to admit, that like the music industry, the film and tv industry are losing control.

&quot;Now, to be clear, when I say &quot;easy,&quot; I am speaking of the (relatively) &quot;easy life.&quot; I am not saying television and movie writing is easy. It clearly is not. Very few people can do it. The Writers Guild has only 12,000 members not because it is a difficult union to get into - it isn&#039;t - but because few people are good enough to get hired by a signatory company, the minimum requirement for membership.&quot;

If this were the case, then every movie and every tv show should be a classic.  Funny, the example you, yourself give of great movies that can&#039;t be made at home, are films that are over 30 years old.  But there are no hacks in Hollywood, are there?  Air Bud indeed...


&quot;But from the inside it is obvious that senior studio executives are better business people than most writers and other creative types.&quot;

Really?  Obvious to whom?  Are you aware of the profit margins of studios?  The internal rate of return of these studio units on average are in the single digits and sometimes not even that.  They have no vision on how to handle piracy and no future vision.  I know of a few who don&#039;t think Hollywood studios will be around in 10 years.  They are as clueless as the music industry execs.  Look at production costs for most major motion pictures, the more technology makes post production easier and cheaper, the more these great business minds spend on films.  It&#039;s like a big junket party for the producers, directors, and their friends.  Go try pitching an effects film with a constrained budget (ie if you say you can do more for less with technology), they look at you like you just told them that Bush was the greatest human on earth.

Look to the music industry to see which way the wind is blowing and ask yourself how many A&amp;R guys felt the same way you do now 5 years ago.

I think the unions and agency system have stifled any entrepreneurial tendencies in the rank and file, but as younger people start wanting to get in the business how many of them will by pass this process and start making films on their own?  The Red Camera is a 4k digital camera that is about $16k, something that anyone with decent credit can obtain.  Some one will figure out a smart way to distribute product over the internet using smart software to match viewers to product that will interest them.  The theater experience is so dismal for most people that this will be a much preferred way to get entertainment.  And don&#039;t get me started on the future of gaming, cause I could write for hours about that and how that will develop.

But Roger, you hang on to the old way of thinking and the old model and see how well that works out for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>For someone who is involved with new media, you are very backward thinking when it comes to the future of Hollywood.  We both know that Hollywood is losing buckets of money yearly.  Before the strike it was losing 6 billion a year alone in piracy and who knows how much in declining ticket sales.  And while you are right about who controls distribution controls the industry as it stands, you have to admit, that like the music industry, the film and tv industry are losing control.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, to be clear, when I say &#8220;easy,&#8221; I am speaking of the (relatively) &#8220;easy life.&#8221; I am not saying television and movie writing is easy. It clearly is not. Very few people can do it. The Writers Guild has only 12,000 members not because it is a difficult union to get into &#8211; it isn&#8217;t &#8211; but because few people are good enough to get hired by a signatory company, the minimum requirement for membership.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this were the case, then every movie and every tv show should be a classic.  Funny, the example you, yourself give of great movies that can&#8217;t be made at home, are films that are over 30 years old.  But there are no hacks in Hollywood, are there?  Air Bud indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;But from the inside it is obvious that senior studio executives are better business people than most writers and other creative types.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Obvious to whom?  Are you aware of the profit margins of studios?  The internal rate of return of these studio units on average are in the single digits and sometimes not even that.  They have no vision on how to handle piracy and no future vision.  I know of a few who don&#8217;t think Hollywood studios will be around in 10 years.  They are as clueless as the music industry execs.  Look at production costs for most major motion pictures, the more technology makes post production easier and cheaper, the more these great business minds spend on films.  It&#8217;s like a big junket party for the producers, directors, and their friends.  Go try pitching an effects film with a constrained budget (ie if you say you can do more for less with technology), they look at you like you just told them that Bush was the greatest human on earth.</p>
<p>Look to the music industry to see which way the wind is blowing and ask yourself how many A&amp;R guys felt the same way you do now 5 years ago.</p>
<p>I think the unions and agency system have stifled any entrepreneurial tendencies in the rank and file, but as younger people start wanting to get in the business how many of them will by pass this process and start making films on their own?  The Red Camera is a 4k digital camera that is about $16k, something that anyone with decent credit can obtain.  Some one will figure out a smart way to distribute product over the internet using smart software to match viewers to product that will interest them.  The theater experience is so dismal for most people that this will be a much preferred way to get entertainment.  And don&#8217;t get me started on the future of gaming, cause I could write for hours about that and how that will develop.</p>
<p>But Roger, you hang on to the old way of thinking and the old model and see how well that works out for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years back, I spent a week watching ~20 films at an independent film festival. While the indie films may not have had the special effects of a Hollywood production, from the visual and story-telling end , they were quite good. You don&#039;t need  $50 million or more to make a good movie.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years back, I spent a week watching ~20 films at an independent film festival. While the indie films may not have had the special effects of a Hollywood production, from the visual and story-telling end , they were quite good. You don&#8217;t need  $50 million or more to make a good movie.</p>
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		<title>By: howardhughes</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the 4 blind men whom felt a part of the elephant and described it differently from the others, the writers strike leads people to different opinions about the future of the entertainment industry. Just 100 years ago, technology morphed still photographs into motion pictures and a new industry was born. Movie theaters were built and people hired to produce the films that would fill the movie house. TV came along and became an alternative and more important form of entertainment. Today technology is morphing movies, TV, books and information into the internet for delivery to consumers. And different talents will be needed. Writers will still be in the mix just as they always have been. But new kinds of talent may become the most important. The new virtual entertainment center will be part movie house, movie set, TV set, publisher, teacher and maybe, to some extent, writer. The writers union leadership made a mistake by striking. Their efforts should have focused on preserving what they have left and building for what could be had tomorrow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the 4 blind men whom felt a part of the elephant and described it differently from the others, the writers strike leads people to different opinions about the future of the entertainment industry. Just 100 years ago, technology morphed still photographs into motion pictures and a new industry was born. Movie theaters were built and people hired to produce the films that would fill the movie house. TV came along and became an alternative and more important form of entertainment. Today technology is morphing movies, TV, books and information into the internet for delivery to consumers. And different talents will be needed. Writers will still be in the mix just as they always have been. But new kinds of talent may become the most important. The new virtual entertainment center will be part movie house, movie set, TV set, publisher, teacher and maybe, to some extent, writer. The writers union leadership made a mistake by striking. Their efforts should have focused on preserving what they have left and building for what could be had tomorrow.</p>
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