REALITY: Jon Lee Anderson, author of the 800 + page ‘Che Guevara: A Revolutionary life’, who spent 5 years researching the man:

“I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder.”

And as for Che personally killing his own people, there are actually only 5 or 6 deaths that are proven and accounted for, and they were all traitors, deserters( which some may argue doesn’t deserve a killing, but in the military world it makes perfect sense) and rapists. But of course there’s going to be American propaganda telling otherwise to all of this. Obviously, they’re not going to say anything positive about the Post-Batista Goverment(which they would probably argue was a good one) let alone the man who represents everything the United States governent is afraid of. Che literally brought the U.S to it’s knees.

And like I said before, Che wasn’t a perfect man, let alone a perfect revolutionary, but I think that in the end he represents that passionate, fiery rebel within us all. He’s admired by Mandela and existential poets for a reason. He’s emblazoned on t-shirts and posters and keychains for a reason. It’s not the man himself people admire, it’s what he stands for,convoluted and unrealistic as it is.

More to consider: If you want to find negative facts about Che Guevara, you will find them. If you want to find positive facts about Che Guevara, you will find them. The truth is that Guevara was, remains and will always be a complex and mysterious figure( the CIA thought he was dead for five years before they found him in Bolivia!) I own a Che Guevara t-shirt, but I’d never wear it or yhrow it out until I find out the complete truth on him. Until then I will stay neutral.

Thugs according to who? Does Che get to decide who is guilty and who is not? Who appointed him to be the judge jury and executioner? A foreigner killing Cubans?

How can I expect judge Guevara to be impartial when he joined Fidel Castro in a mission to overthrow Cuba’s leader when he himself had never even been to Cuba. He made a judgement with no personal experience.

“Do you understand that someone getting caned is NOT the same as someone getting their privates laughed at by a none-too-bright US Army private?”

I used “caned” not to compare it with what you compared it with,but to make you understand the difference between dying once and dying a million deaths all your life ,but it seems you have been cuddled too much to do that.

The masses blame US because it with it’s high browed attitude and acting as if its the big brother to the rest of the world has made itself too unpopular,nobody no longer cares if US is involved or not,yes they might be wrong here,but pictures of burnt kids splashed all over the papers during the Iraq war do make people angry, and why?The general answer comes, US is greedy for oil and that makes US hated,Saddam was a tyrant himself and the world knows that but US is no less guilty for suddenly waging a war and killing millions.Saddam might have killed more but that doesnt justify America.It is not responsible for poverty of 3rd World countries,but is responsible for the hatred it gets.

“Were’nt those American soldiers paranoid Otto?”

Nope.

“(*)America faces an economic crisis and prices of even simplest things like flour and vegetables get tripled here,they cant be blamed.”

Yes, they can.

The way you have given verdicts here,you pretty much sound like a dictator yourself.Ever wondered how you might have treated those who offend you if you led a country.You will say that you would have given them a fair trial and all, but would not you have made sure they are punished in some way,dont claim that you are above petty human-weaknesses.

Anyway, this might be my last post,been spending a lot over internet for the last few days,cant afford more,”poor twisted little twit” otto will call me now or “good riddance” or that i am running away or some-thing,but you are not going to pay my bills so cant help.

You call this support for right-wing governments, and yet you probably have the nerve to consider yourself an independent. Twit. I think opposing left-wing governments who oppress their own people in to filth and poverty and doomed socialism is not necessarily right-wing, it’s simply good.

If you want senseless and inhumane killing, then go to a senseless and inhumane place wherein the rule of law is not respected — by folks about as sophisticated as you are. They were doing it long before America got here and will be doing it long after. If these places had their act together, no amount of CIA training would have any influence. That is hardly the fault of the USA — it is in fact the fault of the citizens of these nations who refuse to support and demand government of the people, by the people, and truly for the people — by force if necessary, which by the way is exactly how Americans guaranteed their freedom — they fought and died to make it happen. It is an unfortunate fact of life that Latin America is largely in the situation they are in, which I’m sure you think merely “happened” to them, but holding the USA to blame for this result of fundamentally flawed human nature and the cultural legacy of Spanish and Portuguese conquest is quite stupid. And diagnosing that fact is the first step to actually caring about them. Ignoring it keeps them down.

“Survivors and contemporaries don’t forget”? What kind of half-witted threat is this? Let me tell you who doesn’t forget — the United States of America. Cross this nation — the one single nation the has used its hegemonic dominance more judiciously than any other in the entire course of human history — at your own peril, ignorant wretch. Despite its many flaws, America is the greatest hope for humanity that the world has ever seen. And the point you are assailing is simply that any action that supports this is defensible.

“La Cabaña was for traitors,batista’s spies and war criminals,how do you expect anyone to treat them.”

Your words, winonaa. Che was in charge of La Cabaña. You stated that it was expected that the traitors, spies, and war criminals would be treated exactly as they were. That is, tortured and murdered. You justified his deeds.

And humiliation isnt equal to murder, its worse,get yourself insulted publicly,and then get yourself caned in a room.You will know which one hurts more.

‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,’ it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’

‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ –Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll

Suddenly, humiliation=torture, winonaa? Do you even understand the frikkin’ subject? Do you understand that someone getting caned is NOT the same as someone getting their privates laughed at by a none-too-bright US Army private?

Words have meaning. If you’re talking about humiliation, say humiliation. If you’re talking about murder, say murder. If you’re talking about torture, say torture. Do not try to shift from one to the other.

Oh, and honey, humiliation is NOT worse than death. Death is far worse. And we are not talking about TORTURE, which is a separate subject. You might want to research the people who were tortured by Che, if you can be bothered.

About putting Bush’s picture on a t-shirt,I belong to a country where about half the people cant afford proper clothes,let alone che t-shirts,he is not a t-shirt icon here,but there is so much hatred (*)against Bush and America in all developing and underdeveloped countries that you will be asked if che (or anyone) was for or against America,if he was against,he will be praised irrespective of what else crime he might have committed.(except perhaps Hitler and Mussolini,they are too notorious from the world wars).

Then your countrymen are fools. It’s not the US’ fault that your countrymen can’t afford clothes, though I’m sure it’s easier to blame us then to blame the corrupt thugocracies that rule so many nations. Time and again dictators and murderers come to power, often being voted for by the very people they exploit, and rather than blame THEM for the state of the country, the masses blame the US. It’s far easier to hate an outsider and blame him for your troubles than to accept responsibility and try and change things yourself. We’re not the ones who elected Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. We’re not the ones who put Mugabe in power in Zimbabwe. That’s the ugly truth, winonaa.

Stop blaming us for your problems.

Oh, and if your people hate the US almost as much as they hate Hitler and Mussolini, then screw them.

(*)America faces an economic crisis and prices of even simplest things like flour and vegetables get tripled here,they cant be blamed.

Yes, they can.

Your side supported Pol Pot, so spare us your morality lessons.