Will the AZ Immigration Law Make the Job of Police Harder?
Oddly enough, it was Bratton who chose to leave California last year. He resigned his post in the middle of his second five-year contract rather than remain in office to confront the budgetary constraints now facing Chief Beck. And a large factor in the fiscal woes plaguing the city of Los Angeles and the state of California is the financial burden attendant to an exploding population of illegal immigrants.
For all the hysteria being whipped up by Beck and his fellow Arizona-bashers, there is little likelihood the new law will have the disastrous consequences being predicted. Beck foresaw higher crime should the Arizona law take effect, telling reporters that “legislation like this inhibits us from doing our jobs” and will dissuade immigrants from coming forward as victims and witnesses. “The fear of the police already inhibits immigrants from coming forward to a certain extent,” he said. “But if you add this piece you increase the reluctance tenfold.”
It is no doubt true that some illegal immigrants are reluctant to speak to the police, but it has been my experience that they are less fearful of being deported than they are of being retaliated against by criminal gang members, a large number of whom are themselves illegal immigrants. Yes, the new Arizona law brings the potential for error and even abuse, but that potential exists in every aspect of police work, and we don’t ask police officers to ignore violations of the law because they might make a mistake.
My guess is that police officers in Arizona, when armed with this new law, will concentrate their efforts on those illegal immigrants whose criminal predations fall most heavily on their law-abiding neighbors. Had such a law been in place in Texas a few years ago, Houston police officer Henry Canales might be alive today. The men accused of murdering him last year, both illegal immigrants with criminal records, are today on trial in Houston. The Houston Chronicle reported on their arrest last year:
Capital murder charges have been filed against Andres Maldonado Nava, 41, of Mexico, and Xiomara Mendez Rosales, 36, of Honduras.
According to Ken Land-grebe, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official, Maldonado had used eight false identities between 1985 and 1992, and was arrested in California between 1990 and 1992 for attempted murder, robbery, being under the influence of drugs, grand theft, assault and exhibiting a firearm. Mendez, authorities said, was arrested in Houston on charges of assault of a family member in 2006, but the charges were dismissed.
A recent violent crime in the state of Washington has produced a man who may be the single most gleaming example that demonstrates just how pathetically impotent our immigration enforcement system is. Jose Lopez Madrigal was arrested in Edmond, Wash., on May 16 and charged with rape. Seattle’s KING television reported that Madrigal had previously been deported nine times:
[L]earning [Madrigal’s] identity took much longer because of some 30 aliases. It was only through fingerprints that they identified him as Madrigal, a Mexican citizen.
Madrigal’s arrest and immigration record includes a staggering number of contacts with law enforcement since 1989. That’s the year he was convicted of theft using a firearm in California.
He was deported a couple of times after that. Then in 1999, he was arrested for drug sales in both San Diego and San Francisco. Records show that he was deported three times that year between April and August.
He was arrested for drugs again in Stockton, Calif. in 2000. In 2002, he pleaded to third degree sexual assault in Denver. Later that year, he was deported again. And in 2003, records show he was deported three more times.
Police allege that Madrigal dragged a woman off an Edmond street and was in the process of raping her next to a trash Dumpster when officers, alerted to the crime by a witness, arrested him.
I suspect if we were to ask that rape victim her opinion of Arizona’s new law, she would offer a hearty endorsement. Would Chief Beck tell her she’s wrong?
It’s always claimed by amnesty-seeking pols that enforcing our immigration laws will cause illegal aliens to refrain from reporting crime. No one EVER talks about the effect that the threat of discovery and deportation will have on illegal aliens as a deterrent to commit crime in the first place.
Why is that?
These police chiefs are nothing but slimy politicians themselves.
What decent human being would want to meet with Eric Holder to solve anything other than to demand that he keep his Black Panther friends away from the polls next November.
Even if their arguments held any validity (which they do not), anyone with a minimally functioning brain will see that on the basis of shear numbers their jobs will get easier. The liberal wimp from Tuscon might get some advise from Sheriff Joe and establish a huge labor camp tented jail to park all of his illegals until either Obama deports them or some liberal organization buses them to LA, Houston, Philadelphia, SF or some other sanctuary city to sponge off their taxpayers.
Taking a lesson from the MS13 lawsuit in LA where the sheriff escaped liability for turning the killer loose, States need to begin to pass laws holding their own officials and Feds accountable for negligence within that state. The Feds will go nuts, run to the courts where discovery and trial will be great publicity in time for the next election where this will be the principal issue.
You are far to easy on Beck and his ilk. They are not misguided, nor are they misinformed, LEOs who won’t enforce our laws have violated their oaths, no mater what their stated rationale. As such they should be relieved of duty – pour encourager les autres. It won’t take too many high profile firings for our employees to get the message.
Unfortunately, the people with the power to fire them, are the ones who don’t want them to enforce the law in the first place.
Which is why we need to vote all the Communist scum out of office as soon as possible and put in conservative (not Republican) people.
“I suspect if we were to ask that rape victim her opinion of Arizona’s new law, she would offer a hearty endorsement. Would Chief Beck tell her she’s wrong?”
Yes he would. He would explain that if the American people as a whole were not so disrespectful of other peoples rights and privileges Madrigal would have never been forced into raping her. Madrigal is the victim, the woman just got roughed up a little for her part of the big picture.
Don’t fret though, just as soon as Obama finishes smashing the oil industry and taking it over like he has everything else in the country he personally will solve the illegal immigration mess. Once and for all Obama will permanently put America, particularly the Caucasians and Jews into their proper place.
NASCAR drivers, teams and fans you are up on Obama’s chopping block next. Sunoco is second in line to British Petroleum. Six years from now Indy will celebrate it’s 100th race. How exciting and wonderful it will be. With the mandatory Obama hood ornament on every car, drivers will push their wind assisted electric cars to incredible speeds as they cross the finish line bricks at 55 MPH. Funny, funny, funny as hell right?
The really freakish, weird thing is that no matter how hard Obama and his thugs slap these major American players into the dirt and spit into their faces, every damn one of them will somehow stagger back up onto their feet long enough to cheer Obama on.
That is a national epidemic sickness that cannot be cured.
“A group of police chiefs — including L.A.’s Charlie Beck — say that illegal aliens will be more reluctant to help fight crime out of fear of law enforcement.”
How much less reluctant than zero can willingness to do anything go?
The illegal aliens, indeed the entire world cannot believe how absurd, lazy, ridiculous and stupid the American people have become.
For Americans to elect creeps like Obama, Pelosi and Reid and expect things to work smoothly at the same time defies all laws of logic in the human race and probably most of the social order that exists throughout animal domains that belong to the baboons and monkey cousins.
Like it or lump it, Obama has already succeeded in doing what he wanted to with the illegal immigration mess. Opt-in comments to this article will be hemorrhaging right down the middle like someone butchered it with a chainsaw.
I strongly feel that the White House will pursue the legality of the this law with a half-heart, because they have already consolidated the Hispanic vote as it is. They only have to finish the gesture now. They would obviously lose any real challenge, and it would cost them a lot in political points (or just start a civil war). It really is that big of an issue, because it isn’t just about Dems trying to scoop up some more “victims”, but about them abrogating the country’s laws for their political agenda. An agenda which is on it’s face just perversion after perversion of American values. In fact, of course, Liberal’s beliefs are always a perversion of “American” values (it is just their way), but now they are in a swoon of abrogating laws of “any” nation: protecting and enforcing immigration laws.
It shows that they know no bounds in risking national sovereignty for their political goals. Immigration reform is a big fish that they need to let swim away for a while now. There are other ways into the country, and besides the illegals are here waiting, still in the water, waiting to be reeled in for another time.
If Republicans have any chance in retaining some of the Hispanic vote it is in focusing on the brutality and religiosity of prenatal abortion. Many Hispanics are Catholic, and Democrat is the baby-killer party. It doesn’t have to do with the official stance of the Catholic Church, either, but with the conscious prick of people who have mind-sets for religion in accordance with the divinity of Christ. Maybe, God will stay their hands.
Just remember these are canned talking points from the Democrated Police Chief Union!
They are only protecting and serving union jobs.
Be advised that these “several police chiefs” were members of, and meeting under the auspices of, PERF, the Police Executive Research Forum, which describes itself as
“…a national organization of progressive police executives from the largest city, county and state law enforcement agencies. PERF defines racially biased policing as ‘inappropriate consideration by law enforcement of race / ethnicity in deciding with whom and how to interview in an enforcement capacity.’ PERF works with a diverse group of law enforcement officials, community activists, civil rights leaders and academics to set their standards and policies. These include…” the usual lefty suspects from the ACLU to Union Baptist Church.
In other words, it’s about like saying Robert Gates met with “several Iraq War veterans” without mentioning that in fact he met with IVAW.
In falsely bemoaning this Arizona law, these police chiefs are making the problem worse. They’re advertising bogus claims about how it effects illegals–which in turn will make illegals less likely to speak to the police. If the police chiefs were to say instead, “Law abiding, illegal immigrants don’t need to fear this law,” they wouldn’t increase hysteria among the misinformed.
Prince William County in Virginia enacted a somewhat similar law about 2 years ago and the County claims that crime has dropped, there are fewer drug arrests, all in all a re-sounding success.
I live in Prince William County.
Looking out my window I see one single family home that averages 19 – 20 illegal immigrants living in it. The house is owned by a Hispanic Coyote that moves those who are willing to pay the price for him to bring them here from the border states, replace their Arizona or Texas license plates with Virginia’s, set them up with a job and place to live, then bring another load in.
Local laws and ordinances are ignored by these people. One dozen brand new cars, SUVs and/or dump trucks parked on the street are the normal. Trash cans are always jammed with exposed garbage. Rats have a holiday going from one house to another.
The occupants come out of the house in the morning coughing, hacking and spitting. They are constantly scratching their private parts. Rudely staring at American white women as they walk through the neighborhood is great fun. Social Services were recently escorted to the house by a female and male Prince William County Police officer to remove two middle school teenage illegal Hispanic girls that had been living there for several months. There is no record of this on the police morning report, in the court house or any of the local newspapers.
Looking another direction sits another home that the banks foreclosed on when it was owned by a similar illegal Hispanic mess. In this case the house is a single level single family home, but that didn’t stop the owners from renting the crawl space underneath the house to an illegal Hispanic couple. They actually carpeted the less than 3 foot high crawl space, put furniture in it and stapled foam rubber pads on the overhead support rafters so they wouldn’t crack their skulls banging into them.
Prince William County is packed with this kind of thing everywhere you look. Not one domestic level job isn’t already commandeered by an illegal Hispanic.
Calls to the County Supervisors, zoning enforcement offices, police departments, magistrates, court house, the legislature in Richmond and/or the brand new get-r-done governor’s office will all produce the same response.
“Who do you think you are? These people have as much, as many rights as you do and probably more!” followed by the dial tone.
Why is this? Illegal Hispanics are super infused into the controlling educational, government, judicial and social structures that make up Prince William County Virginia.
One man, Corey Stewart, Chairman of the PWC Board of Supervisors has stood up against this crap. For that effort he has been, and continues to be slapped down like some kind of low-life dog.
Does any of this sound familiar to you folks living in Arizona? What is it then that you hope your new law will change?
Obama was praying for a break when it came to handling the illegal Hispanic immigrant mess. Arizona just handed it to him for free. That is all that Prince William County and Arizona’s new law have accomplished.
Any bets on whether or not “Lunch Bucket Joe” will be Obama’s second term running mate? Can you say Juan Pedro Amigo Who…?
Many police departments across the country are handicapped by the politicians under which they serve; sad but true. BUT trying to justify his lack of enforcing current laws and a possible rise in crime in his city on Arizona’s illegal law is just double talk to cover his lack of backbone when it comes to true law enforcement.
Although the author seems to think that Beck is an honorable person, I beg to differ. If he is commenting on the law without reading it, that bodes badly for Beck and the people of L.A. What else has he not read that he has commented on? Does he read the stats put in front of him? If he has read the law, then he is lying through his teeth and that does not bode well for L.A. either. Now the people of L.A., the police, etc. will not be able to trust anything that he says. Actions will only speak for Beck.
And personally, butt out Beck. It is not your place to comment on the laws of another sovereign state.
Mexican criminals flock to the USA because the money is here and the punishment is light, just the opposite in Mexico. Hispanic Americans and illegal Mexicans are not that hard to distinguish. Different cultures, habits of dress, accents. Knowing very little English is a dead give away. There are plenty of nice guys among the illegals. If there weren’t so many I’d be for amnesty for the honest. But we have been invaded. Even if we are the USA we still have the right to decide who is allowed into our country. Cheap labor lowers wages and robs jobs from Americans, especially those hardest hit by the recession and our youth.
The people that believe that the police should not check immigration status are either political hacks, telling lies or lazy.
If you have 10 million criminals ( illegal aliens) of which 10 % have committed other crimes why sort the criminals by category? By dealing with all of the criminals as criminals you the job is simpler and easier for honest cops.
If it makes the lazy ass cops feel better change all immigration crimes to felonies. Mandate jail time. Make hiring an illegal a felony also to be fair.
Hiring an Illegal for substandard wages is the new slavery.
Here’s my idea.
Legal Premise for scaffolding a new act or state-level law:
1) elected officials are duty -bound to abide the Constitution and prioritize the health-safety of their constituencies as a priority
2) Aliens entering the USA are already ‘criminals” since they broke in and are more than likely using fraudulent docs to get jobs
3)Elected officials in the interest of public safety must assume that an unvetted alien is a danger in that we do not know their criminal history from home country
4) Federal codes already lay out the “aidding and abetting”language…is not hiring someone “aidding and abetting”?
Therefore, I feel that a link could be made between the employer of illegal hiring practices and being held liable in civil court should any damages bodily or in property form occur to a citizen in the USA. If it can be proven via investigation that an illegal alien was in the gainful employment of some business or entity then they would be open to litigation.We have many American citizens who have been run over and killed or loss a loved one,etc that are left holding the bag with no legal recourse.Suits against sanctuary cities (suing taxpayers) have gone nowhere. We need to get trial attorneys a new line of work…helping in the fight against open borders.
Aw, lets all have a pity party because those whose job description is to enforce the law will now find the have to enforce the law. Last I checked, that’s why they are paid and are not indentured servants – they are free to find other employment
Do you not understand what all this disscussion is about. People get out there eveyday work hard to protect our borders but the support from the top down is not strong so we deport the same ones day in and day out. These are not just people looking for jobs, reread the article, they are crimminals, terrorists, people coming over here looking for an easier ride because we give it to them. Do not talk about the people out there working on on borders sitting on their butts when they work longer days then you problably do in a week and believe it or not it is dangerous. Most people listen to our liberal media and do not understand what Arizona is doing. Go live in Douglas, Nogales or Yuma Arizona for a couple of weeks then tell me people who break the law have more rights than anyone else. I do not care if you are a resident of America or not when you break a law you do not have rights. That lady who was raped, what happened to her rights, they were taken away, no one should have that powere. Put our poloticians want to say it is ok because we have it better over here than people coming over here illegally. But what about the people who came over the right way and worked for it and got there citizenship, sholdn’t that hold more value. We can not make it easier for the people who break the law. People can come in this country leagally, there are visas and you can earn your citizenship.
Honorable men don’t tell lies about the text of a law for political purposes.
I grew up in a town that went, during my childhood, from majority Caucasian to majority Hispanic. I have seen first hand the problems of illegal immigration. Dodge City, Kansas, which started as a sleepy little tourist and agricultural community in the space of a bare handful of years returned to it’s wild west roots.
The culprit?
A couple of beef packing plants which attracted illegals.
Almost over night the Hispanic population exploded as the packing plants hired illegals because they were cheaper than legal residents.
Now a town of 25,000 has drug and gang problems that make cops from larger cities blanch. The one hospital is overwhelmed, shootings, stabbings and beatings are common.
In a town 50 miles away, Garden City, Hispanic residents protested the national anthem being played before a high school football game. There are schools in which all the teachers have to be ESL certified to be able to teach at all. Which of course necessitates higher salaries to those teachers in a time when Kansas School boards are facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in budget cuts.
Don’t get me wrong, the Mexicans I have known have for the most part been some of the hardest working folks I’ve ever known. But Western Kansas is staggering under the load of a problem which is killing cities like Phoenix, Ariz., with a metro-area poplulation of more than 2 million. For the record that’s about as many as in the ENTIRE state of Kansas. If areas like Phoenix, or LA are being killed by this, exactly how do we expect smaller states to cope?
Illegal aliens don’t cooperate with the police now.
Of course the rank and file respect him. He came up through the ranks and every officer can say ‘see even I can become the Chief’. Truth of the matter is, he no doubt was a great officer and commander, but as a chief, he’s become political. Tony Villar would never have chosen him if he exhibited characteristics of a Gates. Beck could have said, hey look Tony, this is getting very political and since AZ isn’t in my jurisdiction, I’ll pass on going to see Holder.
me thinks we be dealing in horse pucky….. my best guess is that the overiding concern of generally law abiding-
illegal mexican visitors is that the lawless city they sneak into is no safer than that which they sneaked out of…..”sanctuary city” …how darling!
I’ve heard this argument Chief Beck poses quite often – laws against illegal aliens will merely make them refrain from reporting crime. But I’ve never heard it stated how much actual crime it is that they report. I say, more often than not, they’re more involved in committing crime than reporting crime.
But in case you might be interested in contacting Villaraigosa, to complain of commend his boycott position on Arizona:
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa
(213) 978-0721
mayor@lacity.org
I see it as he’s just been exposed to too much La Raza influence.
Great piece Jack……….Chief Beck has a pattern and practice of incompetence, arrogance and ignorance, in his short tenure as our Chief. That he promoted Mike Moore to Assistant Chief, was really all I needed to know about Chief Beck, and how he was going to conduct himself as a “leader”. Mike Moore is nothing but a pathetic and over hyped snake-oil salesman. And make no mistake that guy could and probably has, sold snow to an Eskimo. This police department is being shelled from the inside by Becks overwhelmingly incompetent command staff. These guys are a bunch of useless idiots! And this city is in for long and bloody ride with these clowns in the LAPD’s drivers seat. This little outburst by him, doesn’t surprise me at all. All the good things I had heard about him being a true Cops Cop and good for this city and her citizens, have proven to be nothing more than wishful thinking. At the end of the day, he’s weak sauce! Can we get a do-over, and bring back Chief Jim McDonnell? Pretty PLEASE!
I agree. I thought BECK was gonna do the right thing for the officers and this city. but I see now, he is just a puppet for the mayor. They can’t even get enough officers to field more than two cars a day in my division, but there are ten full duty officers sitting in the CRO office!
There is a silver lining in the chaos that has ensued since Obama was elected. First, he took Napolitano away, handing the job to Brewer who worked with a republican majority to bring some sanity to addressing the issues.
Secondly, and I pose this to Jack D. directly since I assume he may have more insight on this, we have to further thank the Sanctuary Citizens of San Fran for taking George Gasgon off our hands.
I always found it a bit conspicuous that Gasgon, who came out of the LAPD, and who was hailed by the Progressive Supervisors who were either appointee’s or allies of Napolitano here in Maricop co as the alternative/savior to their nemisis Joe Arapio, HAD TO LEAVE CALIFORNIA to sell his so called superior policing methods in Mesa Arizona (Maricopa’s biggest suburb – the equivalent of St Louis in population – and with the largest Hispanic concentration).
All we heard about was that Gasgon put up these superior gaudy numbers as far as crime suppression. Ad Nauseum. And Gasgon’s version of illegal, excuse me ‘undocumented persons’, was right in tune with Beck as Dunphy describes.
Yet Gasgon’s numbers always seemed to miss the very violent crimes – theft, car jackings (Phoenix alternated as #1 in Auto Thefts before doing so in Kidnappings), murders and all the rest – always insisting that everything was rosy – even as the violence escalting with Caulderon’s war clearly was coming across the border.
Needless to say Gasgons suspect ‘numbers’ were always hotly contested by the Maricopa Co Sheriffs Dept & those that support Joe, myself included.
Gasgon became the ‘star’ witness in the early Justice Dept attempt to paint Sheriff Joe as the brutal Maricopa Co Despot in the farce of a congressional committee chaired by no less a California Nut than Zoe Lofgren. All of which to date has amounted to squat, having long since faded to memory.
Gasgon cashed in when offered the San Fran job as Chief of Police. Yet he has conspiciously faded from the limelight as an outspoken opben borders crowd advocate since. What’s up with that?
Charlie Beck and Benedict Arnold are both honorable. Yeah.
“Chief Beck is an honorable man –”
So are they all, all honorable men! Seriously though, I’m only saying that because it begged to be said. I’m happy to defer to the policeman’s judgment on Chief Beck; this is a debate with honorable people on both sides, and we need to remember that. (That said, however, I agree with some other commenters that knowing “which side [your] bread is buttered on” doesn’t sound particularly honorable.)
Chief Beck is going to have an increase in illegal alien criminal activity because there will be a large number of illegals moving to LA, from AZ. All because he has publicized the fact that he will not ask about citizenship.
Crime in AZ will go down and crime in LA will go up.
Get rid of the illegal aliens, and there goes 1/3 of the crime, if not more. Also, don’t forget the untaxed billions, the billions in health care, and the G-d knows how much in court cost, and lawyer fees.
If a citizen is stopped by police for speeding, he/she’s expected to have a driver’s license AND the vehicle registration… no one seems to think THAT is a problem. You’ve already shown that you broke a traffic law so it’s reasonable for the police to think you might be breaking another, by driving without a license or that you might have stolen the vehicle. If you are legally in the USA, you are required to have your visa or permanent residency card (green card) on you at all times (I should know… my wife is Colombian and not yet a citizen). So why the outrage for being asked to present it?
I have a simple immigration solution for Obama that will save the US untold millions AND create an economic stimulus: Give every citizen who turns in an illegal alien $1k. There would also have to be a $#? penalty payment to the government if you identify someone who is actually legal to prevent obvious abuse. This would cost the US 1 billion for every million illegals… cheap, when you consider at least a 3rd of it will come back in taxes and the ridiculous costs of guarding the borders. Finally, fine any business that employs any of the identified illegals 10% of their operating costs (or some other significant size-appropriate penalty) for EACH occurance. If you take away the incentive to come here (jobs), you won’t need to build fences and employ guards at the borders.
Big City police chiefs are so politicized that they are as useless as mountain climbing equipment on the beach.
What they have to say is redundant. Others have said it.
If people are afraid to report crime, because they are criminals invading this nation, living off the taxpayers, maybe they will feel UNCOMFORTABLE living here and go back to where they belong.
There are so many techniques to deport these people it is amazing. We need a new Operation Wetback. Search it.
OF COURSE the Arizona Immigration Law Make the Job of Police Harder — in states and cities that offer sanctuary to criminals (not just illegal aliens). The criminals will leave Arizona, one way or another. Some of them will go to places that are more tolerant of crime.
“Chief Beck is an honorable man”…
Am I the only one who is reminded that Brutus too was an honorable man?
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious.
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest —
For Brutus is an honorable man,
So are they all, all honorable men —
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me.
But Brutus says he was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill.
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept.
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man.
I live in Phoenix. Earlier this week I had lunch with several high ranking Phoenix PD officers (long serving street guys, not desk jockeys). I asked them what was going to change, out on the street, with SB1070.
A little background. In the state of Arizona it is a misdemeanor to not have a state issued photo ID on you AT ALL TIMES. It’s been the law for years. If a police officer asks you for ID and you don’t have one you can be arrested and detained on the misdemeanor charge until they establish who you are. The procedure includes being booked into the County Jail of whatever county you happen to be in and in every county part of the booking procedure is to run your finger prints and ICE checks your immigration status. In every case. If you have outstanding warrants you are held for those and if you are here illegally you’re turned over to ICE for deportation proceedings. Again, it’s been the law and the procedure in Arizona for many years.
So, given that, I asked what the difference would be with SB1070. The most senior of the officers looked at me, they all had a snarky grin, and he said, “Ahhh, nothing.” Then he added, “Well, we’ll have more f****** politician and lawyers looking over our shoulders.”
Bottom line, much ado about nothing.
you can see where the dividing line in the country is starting to form. These law enforcement hacks are nothing more than following the liberal line. Our country is squaring off and it won’t be pretty
Salt Lake’s police chief was the tall, bald one in the back and he went trouping to DC like a good dem. It makes me sick, but that is what the lib mayor of SL wanted him to do. (I’m sure he agreed).
Eliot Ness: Getting hard on Mafia will make the mafiosis less willing to cooperate in fighting Mafia…
Chief Beck is just a prominent example (one of the many) of the West’s intellectual collapse.
If they’ve got so many illegals in their jurisdictions that they can’t fight crime without them, they’re is bigger trouble than they think. This is really absurd.
According to Los Angeles County Supervisor Mike Antonivich, it costs at least $500 Million dollars/year in tax money to take care of illegal immigrants. Half a billion dollars every year and rising and with record deficits, local, county, and state furloughs, record traffic congestion, high taxes, and high insurance rates it is incredulous those within the region ask why America and California will not do more for immigrants? Unreal! I’m growing tired of this and so is the rest of the REAL WORLD! If the number of illegal immigrants, not legal, were decreased considerably, wouldn’t there be many more resources for the rest of the population that were here legally??? No kidding!!!
Keep it up Jack and you just may just start getting compared to a Nazi…then you know you are really successful!! Happy Memorial Day to our veterans!!!
Liberals are evil
This is a perfect picture of the eternal struggle between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives want the law to be enforced entirely from a-z. Liberals only want to enforce the laws they like. That is the exact reason why cities under liberal rule plunges into anarchy and chaos. Under liberal rule innocent citizens become victims of rampant crime. This is in my opinion precisely why the liberal ideology is an evil ideology.
I echo the sentiment with other posters. The Chief’s, officers not doing THEIR job should be suspended and/ or canned.
The talking point, ‘..in order for Republicans to woo or sway the Hispanic vote..’ is infuriating.
I’ve many Hispanic friends who wish for the Hispanic illegal aliens to be deported, jailed etc., I feel this is the concensus amongst most Hispanics (wishful thinking?).
The Hispanics who cry foul toward AZ, OK are people who need to be reasoned with.
Do the law abiding, legal, educated Americans of Hispanic descent truly wish to continue ‘giving’, which will only increase under our present situation, their hard earned dollar to the myriad of entitlements to their illegal neighbor, cousin, etc.,? All in the name of ‘fairness’ or ‘equality? THAT’S ASININE!
Unfortunately there are die-hard morons as well who are unable, don’t wish to use their brain matter. Similar groupthink to the protesters in Greece.. emotion trumps lucidity for some folks..
Jim Lewis,
I’ve read L.A. County ALONE ‘gives’ not $5oo million but $600 million a year to children of illegal aliens.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/mar/county-spends-600-mil-welfare-illegals
Other sites claim more due to not paying Federal dollars amongst other items.
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003335.html
Thank you, Paul Unalaska. $600 million is only a small tangible portion that is dedicated to illegals. What about other services like court services, custody housing, police, fire, EMS, and education for illegals? What about hospital care, emergency room care, free medicine, free public education (grammar through California State or UC system)? Illegal immigration is a burden we cannot continue to support, but in a state like California and especially in a city like Los Angeles, it is accepted as business as usual. Nobody wants to discuss the negative impacts illegals have on a community. I wonder how crime would be affected if most or all illegals were deported? I wonder how much closer I could move to my job and how the traffic and insurance costs may decrease if illegals were deported?
Half of California’s entire debt can be directly linked to subsidies for illegal immigrants: food, welfare, health care, housing, criminal prosecution and holding, etc.
Furthermore, though they are not legally entitled to the vast majority of these subsidies (which many leftists like to claim as “evidence” that they aren’t sucking on the teet of America) it is still a fact that they (illegally) receive the subsidies – in fact, 40% of LA County’s federally subsidized HUD property’s are occupied by illegals
“A group of police chiefs — including L.A.’s Charlie Beck — say that illegal aliens will be more reluctant to help fight crime out of fear of law enforcement”
1. It sounds like illegal aliens are your problem there officer, not the laws of Arizona, but it was a nice try to spin and deflect.
2. The nice thing about “States Rights” is that if you don’t like the laws of a state, you don’t have to live there you can move. A good example would be all of the people moving out of the state of California mostly because of their confiscitory tax rates.
Recently Al Sharpton performed a ridiculous walk to encourage ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’.
Al, I echo your message. To have life’s pursuits for ALL more ‘equal’, let’s remove AA and EEO.
Provide a White, Asian, Indian entertainment channels catering to only the aforementioned races.
White, Indian and Asian only colleges.
White, Indian and Asian only Caucus.
White, Asian and Indian only magazines, award shows.
Wards for White, Asian and Indian people only at taxpayer’s expense.
Lower SAT and ACT standards for these same people.
What? Sound divisive? Not sinking in, is it Al?
Oft forgotten, but important to understanding this developing position of Police Chiefs, is that many Police Chiefs are political hacks as they exist only by the whims of their city councils. Their ability to honor their personal values and their profession is compromised by their appointee position. Their qualities are expressed through the quality and value positions of the city council. The local law enforcement which can more reflect the people’s will is the Sheriff, who is popularly elected, and is not a non-elected political appointee. Additionally, the structure of a deputy Sheriff’s job requires much more street smarts as they often work alone, geographically separated, and without immediate backup. The national news sources cite a sheriff as the journalistic flash point of newsmaker, not a police chief.
It was only a matter of time before the appointing city council members in touchy-feely metropolitan areas turned the screws on their Police Chiefs, and required them to issue negative comments. And it interests me that that they are not criticizing the morality of the bill, but that it has a negative consequence on cooperation. To few adults in political positions have done a continued effort at good parenting. These city council members must not have learned from parenting that directing the will of your children to a better choice, a wiser choice, a more mature choice, always requires firmness to arrive at that child’s potential. And, yes, for a short or a long while, there can be negative consequences. But, the loving and consistent parent subsumes those consequences for the eventual greater good of the child, at the immediate and continuing greater cost to the parent.
If Los Angeles is so welcoming and protecting of illegal invaders, let them all-each and every one of them- move there. That way illegals can enjoy the filthy corrupt third world Hispanic culture most of them came from. And American citizens can enjoy our country and culture. No more push 1 for Spanish, and no bailouts for California.
Mr ‘Dunphy’,
I respect the badge though have difficulty with many departments protocol pertaining to illegal aliens.
I lived in Santa Barbara County and worked as a Police Dispatcher for a couple years in the same area while finishing school.
The absurdity of the day-to-day would be comical if it wasn’t so life endangering to the law abiding, legal populous.
-Illegal aliens ‘on probation’.
-The ‘walk ups’, whereas an officer runs people(s) they come upon on foot. The # of Hispanic juveniles on probation/ possessing serious offenses, adult illegal Hispanics who have high cost warrants though are more times than not cut loose for ‘it not being cost effective to hold that person(s) for the warrant is for another county..!
-Illegal aliens would even walk into the records lobby and sleep off their buzz in the lobby!
Lastly, the time taken on receiving a call rfom a Spanish-only speaking caller is scary. For if you don’t speak Spanish, you then need to have a 3-way phone call with a Sacramento-based interpreter. Asking the interpreter the question, they’re asking the caller and interpreting the information to the Dispatcher. All the while other calls coming in.. madness.
I highly recommend civilians do a ‘sit-in’ or ‘ride along’ to see the ho-hum of our police officers, due to their hands being tied and/ or just not wanting to put forth the very effort of their supposed motto, ‘To Protect and Serve’.
I forgot to mention the TENS of THOUSANDS of police officers having to work at Junior High, High Schools nationwide to police the gangbangers, future adult criminals instead of protecting the streets. Staggering..
I don’t understand why anyone has an issue with AZ’s new immigration law. In my state, (Texas), whenever you are stopped for a traffic violation the first words out of the Troopers mouth is, politely: “May I see your Drivers License and proof of insurance please?” White, black, yellow, or brown, race has absolutely nothing to do with it. Failure to produce these documents will result in an immediate investigation into what else might be going wrong. You might be able to out run the paper trail for a while, but as the cops like to say; “you can’t out run my Motorola.” Warrants for past misdeeds will surface and bad guys go to jail,,, end of story.
These simple procedures seem a perfect fit for making life unpleasant for the illegal alien. A traffic stop that ferrets out these illegals should not result in a citation being written that sets a future court date that the already established criminal has no intention of attending, it should result in immediately impounding the car and a quick trip for the offender to a holding cell awaiting deportation. The illegal is not a citizen, so is not entitled to make a phone call or have a lawyer appointed for him. ICE can make regularly scheduled collections at each county jail every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday as they make the trip to the border.
Damn~~~! This stuff is easy! Although all of the above is rather pointless if the border is not sealed in the first place.
Please take time to notice which “law enforcement officers” were present at the meeting – they are all responsible for cities or areas that have an abysmal record: Los Angeles, New York, DC, Phoenix – all have horrid crime rates. The law perfectly mirrors federal laws already on the books – it simply forces them to do their job, which is EXACTLY what these people do NOT want to do. I refuse to show them an iota of respect simply because they are law enforcement officers – they are traitors, cowards, hacks and shills.
The only way to justify their naive, idiotic stance would require completely disregarding crime statistics:
1 in 25 illegals are felons
1 in 12 illegals have committed sexual assault AFTER arriving in the US
the average illegal has 8 arrests on their record
half of all gang members in LA County are illegals
90% of LA County’s murder warrants are for illegals and foreign nationals
66% of LA County’s “Most Wanted” are illegals
illegals kill an average of 45 Americans every day, 25 by murder
All of these rates are approximately 125 times higher than that of the general American public
Arizona’s measures are a proactive solution to federal failure
Charlie has always been a political creature. It is very disappointing to see him submerge himself into the political mud puddle while residing over the LAPD. The LAPD has been down this road before. The 20′s and 30′s saw tremendous graft and corruption that follows politics. We got out of it when Parker jumped in and cleaned up the mess. We have slowly but surely begun that downward spiral into the entropic mess that we are becoming. I have seen the havoc brought on by illegal immigration. The financial burden has destroyed LA and will destroy your town if you don’t get a handle on it. Kudos to Arizona and where can I donate dinero to their cause. This is not a Hispanic issue. This is a complex issue with many facets. The only constant is that illegals are a horrible burden to the middle class. The Rand Corp. did a study a while back that basically stated that the only ones to benefit from illegal immigration were the very poor and the very rich. The rest of us are taking hind tit!
Honor means standing up for what is right whether your boss approves or not…He has joined the ranks of the spineless!
The LAPD Chief has become a puppet to the mayor after the Rodney King incident in which LA citizens changed the city charter.
How the Mexican constitution treats foreign residents, workers and naturalized citizens
May 19, 2010 by Randy Edye
Summary
In brief, the Mexican Constitution states that:
- Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
- Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
- Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
- Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.
- Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.
http://randysright.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/how-the-mexican-constitution-treats-foreign-residents-workers-and-naturalized-citizens/
Chief of Police Charlie Beck has always been a politically minded fellow. He is willing to eat crow as long as he gets a seat at the head table…truly a man fit for California politics. Given the demographics and general political position of Southern California and LA in particular, Beck’s position on immigration should be of no great surprise. Charlie is shrewd and plays that “Aww shucks” Gary Cooper role to perfection. Make no mistake he cut his teeth on nepotism and cronyism and knows where his bread is buttered.
In fairness Charlie is certainly not without his talents and of the choices available he is as good a Chief as Los Angeles could expect. When left to his devises Charlie Beck is capable of excellent decision-making, plan implementation and leadership. He also has an acute ability to recognize talent and make good use of it. In doing so Charlie does not allow himself to be mired down by rank and chain of command. He is also able to manage his ego so as to give the impression of humility.
I give this advise, beware, Charlie Beck is not above tying a weight to your feet underwater while feinting a rescue attempt on the surface.
Jesus! That was so eloquent and detailed, it scared me a little.
Jack Dunphy needs to keep putting food on his table. Ergo, for our purposes Charlie Beck is “honorable”. Even if his position isn’t. Case closed.
I recommend Arizona give a ten dollar bill and free bus rides for all illegal aliens straight to California. The buses could leave every hour and no questions asked. NYC had a serious homeless problem and the cops started a unit which would go to the homeless areas and gave them a free railroad pass on the Long Island railroad to go to shelters and churches on Long Island. They solved their homeless problem by doing this. If California wants to boycott Arizona they should immediately send them all the illegals. Watch how fast they change their attitudes.