Will Quantico Tragedy Steer Gun-Control Efforts Toward Military?
Lawmakers pressing for stringent gun-control laws have been leaning on the Newtown, Conn., school shooting as proving their points about everything from magazine size to types of weapons that should be owned.
The overnight murder-suicide tragedy at Quantico, though, spotlights a highly charged debate within the broader gun-control policy push — gun ownership by members of the military as policy makers cast suspicious eyes on their states of mind.
The military promises a lengthy investigation of the Quantico incident, which locked down the Marine Corps base in Virginia from 11 p.m. Thursday through early Friday morning.
One active-duty Marine was found dead in a barracks, and another was found shot to death beside the suspected gunman, who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
“This tragedy, as well as the tragedy in Nevada earlier this week, took the lives of Marines who volunteered to serve their nation,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said on behalf of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. “His heart and his prayers are with them and their families. He believes that the legendary strength of the United States Marine Corps will ensure that they are forever remembered.”
This afternoon the Defense Department released its monthly suicide data: 11 potential active-duty suicides for February with three confirmed and eight still under investigation. That’s down from 20 potential suicides in January, with seven so far confirmed.
That brings the 2013 total through February to 10 confirmed suicides and 21 still under investigation, and 156 confirmed suicides with 27 still in the hands of investigators for 2012.
Last December, Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) and then-Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) — citing military suicides — urged their colleagues to include an amendment in the defense authorization bill that would allow military officials to ask service members about their private gun ownership.
“Nearly three quarters of the military suicides that occurred between 2008 and 2010 were committed with a personal firearm,” Johnson and Kerry wrote. “Amending this language would simply reaffirm and clarify the ability of military commanders and those tasked with protecting our service members, who identify someone that may be at risk, to discuss personally-owned weapons and perhaps suggest the safe storage of this weapon in a military facility or even the use of a gunlock. This sensible approach does not attempt to limit an individual’s 2nd amendment rights.”
Proponents of imposing greater gun regulations on members of the military cite a 2010 study that found suicides in the Israeli Defense Forces dropped 40 percent in the wake of a 2006 policy requiring soldiers to leave their weapons on base when going home for the weekend. Still, suicide remained the top cause of death for IDF soldiers in 2012.
“The majority of [suicides] have two things in common: alcohol and a gun. That’s just the way it is,” Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the Army’s former Vice Chief of Staff, told the Christian Science Monitor shortly before he retired last year. “And when you have somebody that you in fact feel is high risk, I don’t believe it’s unreasonable to tell that individual that it would not be a good idea to have a weapon around the house.”
Ironically, the House and Senate both held hearings this week on military suicides.
Lets put this at the feet of the real culprit - the war on men. Specifically young white men - and boys. For years the left - with help from public education has been systematically waged war on young white men. Watch an hour of tv - especially the commercials. How many dumb white men did you see? This has been going on for many years now. I went through many 'problems' with my son in middle school. "He fidgets" - "he won't take his hat off during class" - one G-D'ed thing after another. The 'counselor at his school 'demanded' I take him to our Dr. and get a prescription for (CRS!) for him. I told that 'counselor' where she could place that prescription. She was quite miffed but I didn't much care. And at that point I pulled my son out of school and home schooled him for the rest of the... (show more)
Lets put this at the feet of the real culprit - the war on men. Specifically young white men - and boys. For years the left - with help from public education has been systematically waged war on young white men. Watch an hour of tv - especially the commercials. How many dumb white men did you see? This has been going on for many years now. I went through many 'problems' with my son in middle school. "He fidgets" - "he won't take his hat off during class" - one G-D'ed thing after another. The 'counselor at his school 'demanded' I take him to our Dr. and get a prescription for (CRS!) for him. I told that 'counselor' where she could place that prescription. She was quite miffed but I didn't much care. And at that point I pulled my son out of school and home schooled him for the rest of the school year - about 5 months. I had to register him for the next school year and wouldn't you know it - had to 'go through' that counselor to get him placed. I was present as she proceeded to put my son through his 'paces' - which didn't include algebra since that would not be a subject until the following year - 8th grade. Much to her dismay he sailed through the test she had set up. I asked her to present him with some simple algebraic equations for him to solve. She did - and he solved them. Her response was "well he can solve equations but does he know what it means to solve an equation"? DUH! That was like asking what does it mean to be able to read. Its half the battle - at least. (show less)
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We need to do a better job of screening out those who have a history of depression, but I guess that’s not touchy-feely.
We need to do a better job of screening out those who have a history of depression, but I guess that’s not touchy-feely.
Yeah, our jobs can be stressful, but things like this political bafoonery might make people think twice about seeking help to handle the stress. Mental health is already stigmitized, so losing your property and best ability to defend yourself makes it even worse.
Yeah, our jobs can be stressful, but things like this political bafoonery might make people think twice about seeking help to handle the stress. Mental health is already stigmitized, so losing your property and best ability to defend yourself makes it even worse.
Lets put this at the feet of the real culprit - the war on men. Specifically young white men - and boys. For years the left - with help from public education has been systematically waged war on young white men. Watch an hour of tv - especially the commercials. How many dumb white men did you see? This has been going on for many years now. I went through many 'problems' with my son in middle school. "He fidgets" - "he won't take his hat off during class" - one G-D'ed thing after another. The 'counselor at his school 'demanded' I take him to our Dr. and get a prescription for (CRS!) for him. I told that 'counselor' where she could place that prescription. She was quite miffed but I didn't much care. And at that point I pulled my son out of school and home schooled him for the rest of the... (show more)
Lets put this at the feet of the real culprit - the war on men. Specifically young white men - and boys. For years the left - with help from public education has been systematically waged war on young white men. Watch an hour of tv - especially the commercials. How many dumb white men did you see? This has been going on for many years now. I went through many 'problems' with my son in middle school. "He fidgets" - "he won't take his hat off during class" - one G-D'ed thing after another. The 'counselor at his school 'demanded' I take him to our Dr. and get a prescription for (CRS!) for him. I told that 'counselor' where she could place that prescription. She was quite miffed but I didn't much care. And at that point I pulled my son out of school and home schooled him for the rest of the school year - about 5 months. I had to register him for the next school year and wouldn't you know it - had to 'go through' that counselor to get him placed. I was present as she proceeded to put my son through his 'paces' - which didn't include algebra since that would not be a subject until the following year - 8th grade. Much to her dismay he sailed through the test she had set up. I asked her to present him with some simple algebraic equations for him to solve. She did - and he solved them. Her response was "well he can solve equations but does he know what it means to solve an equation"? DUH! That was like asking what does it mean to be able to read. Its half the battle - at least. (show less)
To the extent that there is a problem with suicide in the military (bear in mind that the military is comprised primarily of young men, the demographic with the highest suicide rate in the general population) it isn't a problem of guns, it's a problem with the E-5/6 and O-2/3 leadership failing to do their damn jobs, knowing their troops, and getting them to the resources they need.
To the extent that there is a problem with suicide in the military (bear in mind that the military is comprised primarily of young men, the demographic with the highest suicide rate in the general population) it isn't a problem of guns, it's a problem with the E-5/6 and O-2/3 leadership failing to do their damn jobs, knowing their troops, and getting them to the resources they need.