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		<title>By: P Neumann</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-720001</link>
		<dc:creator>P Neumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment Tom, I can empathize with the bewilderment you feel while watching &#039;your&#039; world vanish before your eyes.

I think the disintegration of suburban America is pre-ordained. Please compare &#039;your&#039; empire with the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. Note the similarities and the differences.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment Tom, I can empathize with the bewilderment you feel while watching &#8216;your&#8217; world vanish before your eyes.</p>
<p>I think the disintegration of suburban America is pre-ordained. Please compare &#8216;your&#8217; empire with the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. Note the similarities and the differences.</p>
<p>Paul Neumann, Yogyakarta, Indonesia.</p>
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		<title>By: MattR</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-704328</link>
		<dc:creator>MattR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would hire a third world lawyer that cost $1 a day? Specialist skills are called &#039;specialist&#039; for a reason. You can train anyone to sit on a production line, it takes years of training and experience to become a competent doctor/lawyer/accountant etc...

It might sound harsh, but if you don&#039;t want to compete with unskilled labourers, perhaps it&#039;s time you removed the &#039;un&#039; from your own title?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would hire a third world lawyer that cost $1 a day? Specialist skills are called &#8216;specialist&#8217; for a reason. You can train anyone to sit on a production line, it takes years of training and experience to become a competent doctor/lawyer/accountant etc&#8230;</p>
<p>It might sound harsh, but if you don&#8217;t want to compete with unskilled labourers, perhaps it&#8217;s time you removed the &#8216;un&#8217; from your own title?</p>
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		<title>By: tom bragen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-161169</link>
		<dc:creator>tom bragen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an economist, nor an uneducated man. I trip and fall like the rest of us and get up and
try again. At 76 years of age, I have seen so 
many changes here in America and many more in the Eastern part of my country. I read the son a rag man,&quot;the Life of Kirk Douglas&quot; and he mentions numerous factories that existed as he was growing  p in his hometown and nearby. All gone. I live in Hudson County, New Jersey where we once had Cologates, Western Electric, Maxwell House Coffee, Westinghouse, Dixon Pencil, American
Can, and they are all gone. I was never out of
work and if I couldn&#039;t find a job it was my
fault. I had to be lazy not to and there was
very little Government interference with 
un-employment, etc. Banks flourished, wall
street was honest and now my county, my state
is devoid of good paying jobs. Even GM and
Ford left New Jersey. Go to any major retailer
in the best location in the world,right here
in New Jersey, and try to find anything made here.
I call Verizon and they send me merchandise
made in China. I buy an American flag and it
is made on foreign soil. I buy a Yankee baseball
cap, a suit, a spoon, a fork and every item is
made in a foreign country. I just can&#039;t see the
logic to this. If the housing industry collapses
so what, we had other giants to off set that.
Now we have none. If the Government or you
or I owe money, we have to roll it over and
hope tomorrow brings better luck. Why are we
so anxious to by that which is made else where
and not encourage Americans to make that which we
consume and need. Should I go back and get a
PHD or should I use common sense which there
is so little of today . Tom Bragen Bayonne, NJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an economist, nor an uneducated man. I trip and fall like the rest of us and get up and<br />
try again. At 76 years of age, I have seen so<br />
many changes here in America and many more in the Eastern part of my country. I read the son a rag man,&#8221;the Life of Kirk Douglas&#8221; and he mentions numerous factories that existed as he was growing  p in his hometown and nearby. All gone. I live in Hudson County, New Jersey where we once had Cologates, Western Electric, Maxwell House Coffee, Westinghouse, Dixon Pencil, American<br />
Can, and they are all gone. I was never out of<br />
work and if I couldn&#8217;t find a job it was my<br />
fault. I had to be lazy not to and there was<br />
very little Government interference with<br />
un-employment, etc. Banks flourished, wall<br />
street was honest and now my county, my state<br />
is devoid of good paying jobs. Even GM and<br />
Ford left New Jersey. Go to any major retailer<br />
in the best location in the world,right here<br />
in New Jersey, and try to find anything made here.<br />
I call Verizon and they send me merchandise<br />
made in China. I buy an American flag and it<br />
is made on foreign soil. I buy a Yankee baseball<br />
cap, a suit, a spoon, a fork and every item is<br />
made in a foreign country. I just can&#8217;t see the<br />
logic to this. If the housing industry collapses<br />
so what, we had other giants to off set that.<br />
Now we have none. If the Government or you<br />
or I owe money, we have to roll it over and<br />
hope tomorrow brings better luck. Why are we<br />
so anxious to by that which is made else where<br />
and not encourage Americans to make that which we<br />
consume and need. Should I go back and get a<br />
PHD or should I use common sense which there<br />
is so little of today . Tom Bragen Bayonne, NJ.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-24197</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tariffs are a way of taxing.  If you have a government, there&#039;s going to be tax.  I would rather pay through tariffs than income tax, property tax, payroll tax, inflationary tax, etc.  I personally don&#039;t need government, but since the overwhelming majority does, we&#039;re going to have one and we have to pay for it.  I&#039;d rather the government charge tariffs than use the COMMUNIST income tax.



A prior post described people in the US finding work that suited our abilities and technological level here.  What does that mean?  Are we going to make starships, warpdrives, and transporters?  China can pretty much beat us on everything short of that.  If you want really high quality stuff-  which people would if they gave it a lot of thought, the US can still hold its own.



If you really wanted totally free trade, you&#039;d have to get rid of managed trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.  If you really believe in it, unilaterally get the government out-  I&#039;d be all for that  too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tariffs are a way of taxing.  If you have a government, there&#8217;s going to be tax.  I would rather pay through tariffs than income tax, property tax, payroll tax, inflationary tax, etc.  I personally don&#8217;t need government, but since the overwhelming majority does, we&#8217;re going to have one and we have to pay for it.  I&#8217;d rather the government charge tariffs than use the COMMUNIST income tax.</p>
<p>A prior post described people in the US finding work that suited our abilities and technological level here.  What does that mean?  Are we going to make starships, warpdrives, and transporters?  China can pretty much beat us on everything short of that.  If you want really high quality stuff-  which people would if they gave it a lot of thought, the US can still hold its own.</p>
<p>If you really wanted totally free trade, you&#8217;d have to get rid of managed trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.  If you really believe in it, unilaterally get the government out-  I&#8217;d be all for that  too.</p>
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		<title>By: kat-missouri</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-24196</link>
		<dc:creator>kat-missouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to mention that the cost of goods is also changed by whether we have to buy from a middle man who has to spend money transporting and warehousing goods and the new revolutionary technology that allows people to buy direct from the manufacturer cutting some costs of warehousing and shipping.

We live in a JIT world where technology allows manufacturing to be more closely tuned to actual demands decreasing warehousing needs.

Frankly, a large cheap labor pool for manufacturing is exactly what you need to compete with other large, cheap labor forces.  What&#039;s wrong here is the idea that over all wages are decreased by the expansion of this &quot;cheap&quot; labor force.  While it may keep wages for manufacturing and manual labor down, it doesn&#039;t necessarily translate to decreased wages across the board.

Part of this moves based on what type of technology and service industries increase, usually requiring much more skilled labor.  In the United States, over 75% of the citizens graduate from high school.  Only 25% (or, around 35% of high school graduates) go on to college.  Not really bad and certainly an exponential increase over past generations.  meaning that these people do not go into manufacturing jobs as manual labors, but management or create jobs through opening businesses.

Vocational Tech schools have also picked up considerably (I can&#039;t remember the figures at this time).  That means that, in fact, over all, our &quot;cheap labor pool&quot; is disappearing.

When president Bush said that immigrants were doing the jobs that American&#039;s &quot;won&#039;t&quot; do, he didn&#039;t mean that we had achieved some sort of level of wealth that made us too good to do manual labor, but that we had created a level of educated and skilled labor that was looking for work that matched our capabilities.

However, that does mean that we have to look for ways to compete in an every developing market.  Its this argument that influences policy makers on immigration.  It&#039;s true that many immigrants from second or third world nations do not have the same education as most american citizens, but it&#039;s also true that that lack places them squarely in the &quot;cheap, unskilled labor pool&quot; ready for manufacturing jobs that keep our products inexpensive and available on the global market, thus increasing profits, thus creating more opportunities for development of industrial machinery hooked to computer systems and expanded manufacturing that allows for expanded employment for skilled, educated labor in technology and management.

Finally, increasing over all economic success for people across all labor markets.

I have to agree with the writer of this story that, if Ohio is concerned about jobs leaving then it needs to do a few things like be more tax friendly to corporations and develop industrial complexes and an educated labor force that can be employed at or create businesses that are technologically driven.

Competition.  It makes the world go  round.  Unless you live in a communist or socialist country.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to mention that the cost of goods is also changed by whether we have to buy from a middle man who has to spend money transporting and warehousing goods and the new revolutionary technology that allows people to buy direct from the manufacturer cutting some costs of warehousing and shipping.</p>
<p>We live in a JIT world where technology allows manufacturing to be more closely tuned to actual demands decreasing warehousing needs.</p>
<p>Frankly, a large cheap labor pool for manufacturing is exactly what you need to compete with other large, cheap labor forces.  What&#8217;s wrong here is the idea that over all wages are decreased by the expansion of this &#8220;cheap&#8221; labor force.  While it may keep wages for manufacturing and manual labor down, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate to decreased wages across the board.</p>
<p>Part of this moves based on what type of technology and service industries increase, usually requiring much more skilled labor.  In the United States, over 75% of the citizens graduate from high school.  Only 25% (or, around 35% of high school graduates) go on to college.  Not really bad and certainly an exponential increase over past generations.  meaning that these people do not go into manufacturing jobs as manual labors, but management or create jobs through opening businesses.</p>
<p>Vocational Tech schools have also picked up considerably (I can&#8217;t remember the figures at this time).  That means that, in fact, over all, our &#8220;cheap labor pool&#8221; is disappearing.</p>
<p>When president Bush said that immigrants were doing the jobs that American&#8217;s &#8220;won&#8217;t&#8221; do, he didn&#8217;t mean that we had achieved some sort of level of wealth that made us too good to do manual labor, but that we had created a level of educated and skilled labor that was looking for work that matched our capabilities.</p>
<p>However, that does mean that we have to look for ways to compete in an every developing market.  Its this argument that influences policy makers on immigration.  It&#8217;s true that many immigrants from second or third world nations do not have the same education as most american citizens, but it&#8217;s also true that that lack places them squarely in the &#8220;cheap, unskilled labor pool&#8221; ready for manufacturing jobs that keep our products inexpensive and available on the global market, thus increasing profits, thus creating more opportunities for development of industrial machinery hooked to computer systems and expanded manufacturing that allows for expanded employment for skilled, educated labor in technology and management.</p>
<p>Finally, increasing over all economic success for people across all labor markets.</p>
<p>I have to agree with the writer of this story that, if Ohio is concerned about jobs leaving then it needs to do a few things like be more tax friendly to corporations and develop industrial complexes and an educated labor force that can be employed at or create businesses that are technologically driven.</p>
<p>Competition.  It makes the world go  round.  Unless you live in a communist or socialist country.</p>
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		<title>By: Hale Adams</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-24195</link>
		<dc:creator>Hale Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Paul in Florida:

As Tim and Mishu note, what you&#039;re wishing for is already coming to pass.  Besides, is the best way to get what you want to cut those &quot;damn furriners&quot; off, or is it to strip our own guild-protected elites of their government protection?

To OmegaPaladin:

I&#039;m reminded of a Henry Payne cartoon from the 1992 elections.  Ross Perot and Uncle Sam are facing the reader.  Perot has a piece of paper in his hands labelled &quot;U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 10&quot;, and he&#039;s looking at Uncle Sam, who is rolling his eyes skyward in a &quot;Lord, spare me this idiot&quot; look.  Perot says:  &quot;What&#039;s this?  Free trade &#039;tween the states?  That giant suckin&#039; sound y&#039;all hear is all the jobs in the United States movin&#039; to low-wage Mississippi!&quot;

Too bad so many people in all political parties have an understanding of economics on a par with Perot&#039;s.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Paul in Florida:</p>
<p>As Tim and Mishu note, what you&#8217;re wishing for is already coming to pass.  Besides, is the best way to get what you want to cut those &#8220;damn furriners&#8221; off, or is it to strip our own guild-protected elites of their government protection?</p>
<p>To OmegaPaladin:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a Henry Payne cartoon from the 1992 elections.  Ross Perot and Uncle Sam are facing the reader.  Perot has a piece of paper in his hands labelled &#8220;U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 10&#8243;, and he&#8217;s looking at Uncle Sam, who is rolling his eyes skyward in a &#8220;Lord, spare me this idiot&#8221; look.  Perot says:  &#8220;What&#8217;s this?  Free trade &#8216;tween the states?  That giant suckin&#8217; sound y&#8217;all hear is all the jobs in the United States movin&#8217; to low-wage Mississippi!&#8221;</p>
<p>Too bad so many people in all political parties have an understanding of economics on a par with Perot&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-24194</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;d be more for free trade if I could get cheap imported lawyers&quot;.....



Well, you&#039;re already getting your articles written for you by foreigners, as I mention.....:-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d be more for free trade if I could get cheap imported lawyers&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;re already getting your articles written for you by foreigners, as I mention&#8230;..:-)</p>
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		<title>By: mishu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Your xrays are already being read by Indian radiologists. Big 6 accounting firms are using H1B immigrants for consulting jobs. You are not the only one that has to compete.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Your xrays are already being read by Indian radiologists. Big 6 accounting firms are using H1B immigrants for consulting jobs. You are not the only one that has to compete.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-24192</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raising tariffs will only increase prices and slow the economy. If people want to see a slowdown in jobs being exported and outsourced, then the  answer is to cut taxes on corporations doing business in the U.S. Other countries are happy to give businesses a better tax rate and cheaper labor than here in the U.S. Free trade and lower taxes would be a boon for U.S. business and workers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raising tariffs will only increase prices and slow the economy. If people want to see a slowdown in jobs being exported and outsourced, then the  answer is to cut taxes on corporations doing business in the U.S. Other countries are happy to give businesses a better tax rate and cheaper labor than here in the U.S. Free trade and lower taxes would be a boon for U.S. business and workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Florida</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why_tariffs_and_quotas_dont_wo/#comment-24191</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul from Florida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a manufacturing worker, I&#039;d be more for free trade if I could get cheap imported lawyers, accountants, doctors, tax collectors, politicians, and town/state/federal workers who would all work for $1 a day.   Fair is fair.  If the papershuffling, service guilded, tax by force class all want the benefits of free trade, why not me?  Why can not expensive services be imported?  Why is it all and fine for yuppies to have imported/illegal Mexicans build their McMansions, but I can not bring a half arsed Mexican lawyer to a common house closing at 1/3rd the cost of an American?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a manufacturing worker, I&#8217;d be more for free trade if I could get cheap imported lawyers, accountants, doctors, tax collectors, politicians, and town/state/federal workers who would all work for $1 a day.   Fair is fair.  If the papershuffling, service guilded, tax by force class all want the benefits of free trade, why not me?  Why can not expensive services be imported?  Why is it all and fine for yuppies to have imported/illegal Mexicans build their McMansions, but I can not bring a half arsed Mexican lawyer to a common house closing at 1/3rd the cost of an American?</p>
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