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		<title>By: Seerak</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-employee-free-choice-act-is-anything-but/#comment-203138</link>
		<dc:creator>Seerak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The Lefties out here are even talking about unionizing small businesses with as few as 5 workers. Solution to that is easy: refuse their “demands”, let them walk out on strike, and then hire replacements.&lt;/b&gt;

An easier solution that will fall into the &quot;that which is not seen&quot; category, will be people who decide to stick to businesses that don&#039;t require any employees at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The Lefties out here are even talking about unionizing small businesses with as few as 5 workers. Solution to that is easy: refuse their “demands”, let them walk out on strike, and then hire replacements.</b></p>
<p>An easier solution that will fall into the &#8220;that which is not seen&#8221; category, will be people who decide to stick to businesses that don&#8217;t require any employees at all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Intellectual Redneck</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-employee-free-choice-act-is-anything-but/#comment-203038</link>
		<dc:creator>The Intellectual Redneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;The Employee Free Choice Act (card check) is costing jobs now.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Employee Free Choice Act (card check) is costing jobs now.&lt;/a&gt; Many employers are facing the difficult task of what to do with their excess workforce in these slow economic times. Many are choosing to have a traditional layoff. My own company has been forced to have a layoff. However, fear of passage of the Employee Free Choice Act is forcing some companies to make the difficult decision to permanently fire employees. These fired employees will not have recall rights. If they are rehired, they will have to start all over  for wages and benefits. Why is this? Fired employees can not be a part of a unionization campaign. If they have signed cards or sign cards in the future, these cards will not count under the EFCA. Most employers believe the &#039;card check&#039; legislation will pass this year. President Obama supports this legislation and democrats control both houses of Congress. The House of Representatives has already passed this legislation. Employers are terrified of how easy it will be to unionize their workforces when this law passes. They are taking every step possible to prevent this from occurring. Unfortunately, this has a bad effect on employees who are being downsized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="The Employee Free Choice Act (card check) is costing jobs now." rel="nofollow">The Employee Free Choice Act (card check) is costing jobs now.</a> Many employers are facing the difficult task of what to do with their excess workforce in these slow economic times. Many are choosing to have a traditional layoff. My own company has been forced to have a layoff. However, fear of passage of the Employee Free Choice Act is forcing some companies to make the difficult decision to permanently fire employees. These fired employees will not have recall rights. If they are rehired, they will have to start all over  for wages and benefits. Why is this? Fired employees can not be a part of a unionization campaign. If they have signed cards or sign cards in the future, these cards will not count under the EFCA. Most employers believe the &#8216;card check&#8217; legislation will pass this year. President Obama supports this legislation and democrats control both houses of Congress. The House of Representatives has already passed this legislation. Employers are terrified of how easy it will be to unionize their workforces when this law passes. They are taking every step possible to prevent this from occurring. Unfortunately, this has a bad effect on employees who are being downsized.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-employee-free-choice-act-is-anything-but/#comment-200204</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#49 Tim Maguire:

 If you don&#039;t mind my interjecting. the way an organizing campaign works at the nuts and bolts level is that the workers are asked/cajoled/persuaded/threatened/whathaveyou to sign Pledge Cards that express an interest in seeking a collective bargaining agreement,(contract). Usually. this is done at the instigation of the Union which wishes to &quot;represent&quot;,(I use the term VERY loosely),those workers in performing this bargaining.

 If enough Pledge Cards are signed and validated by the National Labor Relations Board, it then calls for a secret ballot election.
(It is a violation of the law to fire or otherwise harrass an employee who signs such a Pledge Card...although it happens, law enforcement in the Labor world is as disinterested, corrupt and clueless as it is on Wall Street).

 But if Managment is on the up and up, then the NLRB sets the election day

 Basically, the Union gets it&#039;s innings to make it&#039;s pitch to the workers, and Management gets it&#039;s innings to convince the workers why they should keep the Union out,(but not always...and this is the sure-as-shootin&#039; sign that the workers are going to get reamed because the Union and the Company are in bed together).

 Come election day, the votes are tallied and the union is either defeated or certified as the representative for the workers.

 Then begin contract negotiations...and the strikes and the lock-outs, and the negotiation over what and who constitutes the bargaining unit, and more crap than any three fools could swing a stick at.

 The Card-Check Act basically wants to do away with the NLRB Secret Ballot Election and accept the Pledge Cards AS the election.

 The only way to accept Card-Check into law is to make the entire nation Right-to-Work, (which bans the &quot;closed shop&quot;, (i.e. forced unionization in order to be employed at a workplace).

 Union bosses HATE and DETEST Right to Work, since it makes Union bosses actually DO what they promise to do, or watch the workforce tell them to go and pound sand without losing their jobs.
(In fact, in a R2W state, you save yourself your Union dues by deep-sixing the goons).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#49 Tim Maguire:</p>
<p> If you don&#8217;t mind my interjecting. the way an organizing campaign works at the nuts and bolts level is that the workers are asked/cajoled/persuaded/threatened/whathaveyou to sign Pledge Cards that express an interest in seeking a collective bargaining agreement,(contract). Usually. this is done at the instigation of the Union which wishes to &#8220;represent&#8221;,(I use the term VERY loosely),those workers in performing this bargaining.</p>
<p> If enough Pledge Cards are signed and validated by the National Labor Relations Board, it then calls for a secret ballot election.<br />
(It is a violation of the law to fire or otherwise harrass an employee who signs such a Pledge Card&#8230;although it happens, law enforcement in the Labor world is as disinterested, corrupt and clueless as it is on Wall Street).</p>
<p> But if Managment is on the up and up, then the NLRB sets the election day</p>
<p> Basically, the Union gets it&#8217;s innings to make it&#8217;s pitch to the workers, and Management gets it&#8217;s innings to convince the workers why they should keep the Union out,(but not always&#8230;and this is the sure-as-shootin&#8217; sign that the workers are going to get reamed because the Union and the Company are in bed together).</p>
<p> Come election day, the votes are tallied and the union is either defeated or certified as the representative for the workers.</p>
<p> Then begin contract negotiations&#8230;and the strikes and the lock-outs, and the negotiation over what and who constitutes the bargaining unit, and more crap than any three fools could swing a stick at.</p>
<p> The Card-Check Act basically wants to do away with the NLRB Secret Ballot Election and accept the Pledge Cards AS the election.</p>
<p> The only way to accept Card-Check into law is to make the entire nation Right-to-Work, (which bans the &#8220;closed shop&#8221;, (i.e. forced unionization in order to be employed at a workplace).</p>
<p> Union bosses HATE and DETEST Right to Work, since it makes Union bosses actually DO what they promise to do, or watch the workforce tell them to go and pound sand without losing their jobs.<br />
(In fact, in a R2W state, you save yourself your Union dues by deep-sixing the goons).</p>
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		<title>By: tim maguire</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-employee-free-choice-act-is-anything-but/#comment-199736</link>
		<dc:creator>tim maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, if you&#039;re still revisiting this thread, am I misunderstanding what all this is about? My impression has been that the main tool or change in the card-check bill is that it allows unions to force public votes. We&#039;ve done public voting and found that democracy works best when your vote is known only to you and your maker. Public voting is an invitation to intimidation.

If I&#039;m wrong about how card-check affects voting--but everyone I&#039;ve read left and right thinks I&#039;m not--then I&#039;ll look again (not that my opinion means a damn thing in the grand scheme of things).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, if you&#8217;re still revisiting this thread, am I misunderstanding what all this is about? My impression has been that the main tool or change in the card-check bill is that it allows unions to force public votes. We&#8217;ve done public voting and found that democracy works best when your vote is known only to you and your maker. Public voting is an invitation to intimidation.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong about how card-check affects voting&#8211;but everyone I&#8217;ve read left and right thinks I&#8217;m not&#8211;then I&#8217;ll look again (not that my opinion means a damn thing in the grand scheme of things).</p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45 David S:

&quot;My credibility has nothing to do with my membership or lack thereof in a union.&quot; Just bringing a little bit of truth to the comment thread.&quot;

 It has quite a lot to do with it from where i sit, chum. I&#039;ve been rank and file with SIU for over twenty years, and did my bit in two organizing campaigns,(one succesful and one not), so I&#039;ve been &quot;digested&quot; through the system.

 The practice is so far removed from the theory that it&#039;s a sick joke to hear these thieves,(and as I linked you to, I mean that literally),even TRY to tell me that they&#039;re &quot;on my side&quot;.

The only reason that they are on my side would be that it makes it easier for them to put their hands in my wallet.

 The proof of te pudding is in Article 20 of the AFL-CIO merger agreement,(known as the &quot;No Raiding Clause&quot;) which basically says that once you vote in one union, a bargaining unit cannot vote in another union without first decertifying union representation altogether.

 Unions want a monopoly on the workers that they capture...and that SHOULD, to any rational person, be a red flag.

 &quot;Just bringing a little bit of truth to the comment thread.&quot;

 You&#039;re rather a peculiar one, ain&#039;t you? 
You don&#039;t claim to be in an outfit, but you parrot the labor bosses&#039; propaganda.
You deny being Gay, but what comes out of your soup-cooler is what the Gay Lobby puts inside of it.

 And without batting an eye, you assert that you&#039;re a &quot;truth-bringer&quot;.

 Then why are you hauling that manure-spreader behind you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45 David S:</p>
<p>&#8220;My credibility has nothing to do with my membership or lack thereof in a union.&#8221; Just bringing a little bit of truth to the comment thread.&#8221;</p>
<p> It has quite a lot to do with it from where i sit, chum. I&#8217;ve been rank and file with SIU for over twenty years, and did my bit in two organizing campaigns,(one succesful and one not), so I&#8217;ve been &#8220;digested&#8221; through the system.</p>
<p> The practice is so far removed from the theory that it&#8217;s a sick joke to hear these thieves,(and as I linked you to, I mean that literally),even TRY to tell me that they&#8217;re &#8220;on my side&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only reason that they are on my side would be that it makes it easier for them to put their hands in my wallet.</p>
<p> The proof of te pudding is in Article 20 of the AFL-CIO merger agreement,(known as the &#8220;No Raiding Clause&#8221;) which basically says that once you vote in one union, a bargaining unit cannot vote in another union without first decertifying union representation altogether.</p>
<p> Unions want a monopoly on the workers that they capture&#8230;and that SHOULD, to any rational person, be a red flag.</p>
<p> &#8220;Just bringing a little bit of truth to the comment thread.&#8221;</p>
<p> You&#8217;re rather a peculiar one, ain&#8217;t you?<br />
You don&#8217;t claim to be in an outfit, but you parrot the labor bosses&#8217; propaganda.<br />
You deny being Gay, but what comes out of your soup-cooler is what the Gay Lobby puts inside of it.</p>
<p> And without batting an eye, you assert that you&#8217;re a &#8220;truth-bringer&#8221;.</p>
<p> Then why are you hauling that manure-spreader behind you?</p>
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		<title>By: HonestJon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-employee-free-choice-act-is-anything-but/#comment-199248</link>
		<dc:creator>HonestJon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all you folks that are against this bill.  Stop.  Let &#039;em do it!  Especially if you live in the South.  If this bill is passed, we&#039;re going to hear, as Ross Perot said, &quot;a loud sucking sound to the south.&quot;  But in this case, it will be the southern part of the US.  All of the southern states (and a large portion of the western states) have right-to-work laws.  So all those businesses that are up in the northeast and on the left coast will move south in a hurry and possibly teach the libs in the north a real good lesson!  And it&#039;ll be good for all of us good old boys and rednecks who cling to our guns and Bibles.

Here&#039;s the list:
The following 22 states are right-to-work states:

    * Alabama
    * Arizona — (established by state&#039;s Constitution, not by statute)
    * Arkansas — (established by state&#039;s Constitution, not by statute)
    * Florida — (established by state&#039;s Constitution, not by statute)
    * Georgia
    * Idaho
    * Iowa
    * Kansas
    * Louisiana
    * Mississippi
    * Nebraska
    * Nevada
    * North Carolina
    * North Dakota
    * Oklahoma — (established by state&#039;s constitution, not by statute)
    * South Carolina
    * South Dakota
    * Tennessee
    * Texas
    * Utah
    * Virginia
    * Wyoming

There&#039;s also a map of those states on this Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

If you take a look at the states on that map, notice the color.  Ironic, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all you folks that are against this bill.  Stop.  Let &#8216;em do it!  Especially if you live in the South.  If this bill is passed, we&#8217;re going to hear, as Ross Perot said, &#8220;a loud sucking sound to the south.&#8221;  But in this case, it will be the southern part of the US.  All of the southern states (and a large portion of the western states) have right-to-work laws.  So all those businesses that are up in the northeast and on the left coast will move south in a hurry and possibly teach the libs in the north a real good lesson!  And it&#8217;ll be good for all of us good old boys and rednecks who cling to our guns and Bibles.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the list:<br />
The following 22 states are right-to-work states:</p>
<p>    * Alabama<br />
    * Arizona — (established by state&#8217;s Constitution, not by statute)<br />
    * Arkansas — (established by state&#8217;s Constitution, not by statute)<br />
    * Florida — (established by state&#8217;s Constitution, not by statute)<br />
    * Georgia<br />
    * Idaho<br />
    * Iowa<br />
    * Kansas<br />
    * Louisiana<br />
    * Mississippi<br />
    * Nebraska<br />
    * Nevada<br />
    * North Carolina<br />
    * North Dakota<br />
    * Oklahoma — (established by state&#8217;s constitution, not by statute)<br />
    * South Carolina<br />
    * South Dakota<br />
    * Tennessee<br />
    * Texas<br />
    * Utah<br />
    * Virginia<br />
    * Wyoming</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a map of those states on this Wikipedia article:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law</a></p>
<p>If you take a look at the states on that map, notice the color.  Ironic, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkingPerson</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-employee-free-choice-act-is-anything-but/#comment-199225</link>
		<dc:creator>ThinkingPerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David S....The problem is you&#039;re not bring a &quot;little bit of truth&quot; to the thread. You&#039;re listening to the union bosses side of the argument and have bought it hook, line and sinker. What about standing up for the working man? Ever thought of that? Is intimidation okay in your world? You have to earn credibility David. The only thing that would differ under the EFCA will be that the employees will have a PUBLIC vote not a PRIVATE one. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Peace through a free vote NOT intimidation friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David S&#8230;.The problem is you&#8217;re not bring a &#8220;little bit of truth&#8221; to the thread. You&#8217;re listening to the union bosses side of the argument and have bought it hook, line and sinker. What about standing up for the working man? Ever thought of that? Is intimidation okay in your world? You have to earn credibility David. The only thing that would differ under the EFCA will be that the employees will have a PUBLIC vote not a PRIVATE one. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?</p>
<p>Peace through a free vote NOT intimidation friend.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@40,41,42:

My credibility has nothing to do with my membership or lack thereof in a union.  Just bringing a little bit of truth to the comment thread.

Giving employers the right to reject a legally formed union is wrong, and that is all that EFCA will change.

Peace.

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@40,41,42:</p>
<p>My credibility has nothing to do with my membership or lack thereof in a union.  Just bringing a little bit of truth to the comment thread.</p>
<p>Giving employers the right to reject a legally formed union is wrong, and that is all that EFCA will change.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,

We met last night (Saturday night)at the blogger&#039;s bash @ the Wyncoop.  I guess I assumed that your e-mail contact info would be readily available on the PJM site, but I do not see it. If I&#039;ve missed it, my apologies.

If you would, when you get a moment, please drop me a line to let me know how to reach you privately.

Warm Regards,

Dan Murphy
AuditCongress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>We met last night (Saturday night)at the blogger&#8217;s bash @ the Wyncoop.  I guess I assumed that your e-mail contact info would be readily available on the PJM site, but I do not see it. If I&#8217;ve missed it, my apologies.</p>
<p>If you would, when you get a moment, please drop me a line to let me know how to reach you privately.</p>
<p>Warm Regards,</p>
<p>Dan Murphy<br />
AuditCongress.com</p>
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		<title>By: zimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>zimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is this simple; &quot;why are pro-union advocates afraid of a secret ballot?&quot;   .... Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is this simple; &#8220;why are pro-union advocates afraid of a secret ballot?&#8221;   &#8230;. Why?</p>
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