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		<title>By: jaimeshawn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-124149</link>
		<dc:creator>jaimeshawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress has always been corrupt - but they have become increasingly brazen about attaching bribe funding programs to every bill they pass.   

I&#039;d vote for anybody that would offer to banish, upon pain of death, 535 congress critters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress has always been corrupt &#8211; but they have become increasingly brazen about attaching bribe funding programs to every bill they pass.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;d vote for anybody that would offer to banish, upon pain of death, 535 congress critters.</p>
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		<title>By: weirdone</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-123813</link>
		<dc:creator>weirdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thursday the DOW closed at 8579 which is 60% below where it stood 1 year ago. The plunge is directly related to the collapse of the housing bubble caused by the policies of our illustrious leaders in the Government who in their infinite wisdom decided to coerce lending institutions to make Politically Correct loans to borrower who had no hope of paying them off. When the “Chickens came home to roost,” as Obama’s former reverend so succinctly put it, they tried to arrange a $700 billion bailout. Having failed in that effort they went back to work and raised that figure by adding $150 billion of pure pork, subsidizing wooden arrows comes to mind, and the $850 billion bill passed with flying colors. The effect on the markets however has not been, shall we say, as predicted?

Several times since 1991 I have, in letters to the editor and elsewhere,  asked voters to join me in voting those who have brought this disaster upon us out of office. In each subsequent election they have been returned to office; we are now reaping what we have sown. The full force of these ill-conceived policies instituted by Democrats in the Carter and Clinton Administrations and tolerated by Republicans when they controlled both houses of the Congress, have now devastated financial institutions world wide. While this was going on these same politicians have received millions in campaign contributions from those institutions which they failed to properly regulate.

This morning I awoke to the headline “Congress Mulls Major 401K Changes.” I would suggest that if you are fortunate enough to have anything left in your 401K that you hide it immediately because they are coming after it. 

Have you had enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thursday the DOW closed at 8579 which is 60% below where it stood 1 year ago. The plunge is directly related to the collapse of the housing bubble caused by the policies of our illustrious leaders in the Government who in their infinite wisdom decided to coerce lending institutions to make Politically Correct loans to borrower who had no hope of paying them off. When the “Chickens came home to roost,” as Obama’s former reverend so succinctly put it, they tried to arrange a $700 billion bailout. Having failed in that effort they went back to work and raised that figure by adding $150 billion of pure pork, subsidizing wooden arrows comes to mind, and the $850 billion bill passed with flying colors. The effect on the markets however has not been, shall we say, as predicted?</p>
<p>Several times since 1991 I have, in letters to the editor and elsewhere,  asked voters to join me in voting those who have brought this disaster upon us out of office. In each subsequent election they have been returned to office; we are now reaping what we have sown. The full force of these ill-conceived policies instituted by Democrats in the Carter and Clinton Administrations and tolerated by Republicans when they controlled both houses of the Congress, have now devastated financial institutions world wide. While this was going on these same politicians have received millions in campaign contributions from those institutions which they failed to properly regulate.</p>
<p>This morning I awoke to the headline “Congress Mulls Major 401K Changes.” I would suggest that if you are fortunate enough to have anything left in your 401K that you hide it immediately because they are coming after it. </p>
<p>Have you had enough?</p>
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		<title>By: rspar</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-123635</link>
		<dc:creator>rspar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You buy a house you know you can&#039;t afford at lose it, it&#039;s your own fault period!  When people started treating the house they lived in as an investment instead of a home things went in the crapper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You buy a house you know you can&#8217;t afford at lose it, it&#8217;s your own fault period!  When people started treating the house they lived in as an investment instead of a home things went in the crapper.</p>
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		<title>By: sharonsj</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-123217</link>
		<dc:creator>sharonsj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not that poor people bought houses.  The problem is that mortgage companies, banks, real estate agents, appraisers--all were in collusion to make sure the mortgage was approved even if it meant &quot;fixing&quot; the forms and despite knowing the buyer couldn&#039;t pay when the ARM adjusted upwards.  Then the effing financial institutions sliced and diced the mortgages, repackaged them and created new financial instruments, colluded with the rating companies who said these things were okay, and colluded with insurance companies to cover what they were doing.  The idea was that they all got fees each time the pieces of paper changed hands.  And since the houses kept going up in value, they thought they could keep the Ponzi scheme going.  But then house prices tanked and the market realized they had bought securities that were impossible to value.  Now no one trusts anyone else.  And since our moronic Congress was stampeded by the Fed into throwing good money after bad--but not for rescuing people who are losing their homes--we will continue to circle the drain.  We are in a recession and we probably are going into a depression.  You can thank the Fed, the SEC, and Congress (not to mention Bush and his rich friends).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not that poor people bought houses.  The problem is that mortgage companies, banks, real estate agents, appraisers&#8211;all were in collusion to make sure the mortgage was approved even if it meant &#8220;fixing&#8221; the forms and despite knowing the buyer couldn&#8217;t pay when the ARM adjusted upwards.  Then the effing financial institutions sliced and diced the mortgages, repackaged them and created new financial instruments, colluded with the rating companies who said these things were okay, and colluded with insurance companies to cover what they were doing.  The idea was that they all got fees each time the pieces of paper changed hands.  And since the houses kept going up in value, they thought they could keep the Ponzi scheme going.  But then house prices tanked and the market realized they had bought securities that were impossible to value.  Now no one trusts anyone else.  And since our moronic Congress was stampeded by the Fed into throwing good money after bad&#8211;but not for rescuing people who are losing their homes&#8211;we will continue to circle the drain.  We are in a recession and we probably are going into a depression.  You can thank the Fed, the SEC, and Congress (not to mention Bush and his rich friends).</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-121745</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The numbers have gone up... to 17%.  Someone &#039;splain to me why.  I think it&#039;s because the Dems have been successful at pinning it on the Pubs, and Bush in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers have gone up&#8230; to 17%.  Someone &#8216;splain to me why.  I think it&#8217;s because the Dems have been successful at pinning it on the Pubs, and Bush in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before all this blew up, the D--------c Congress&#039; approval was 9% or so.

I wonder what it is now?  

Too bad the polling software is using unsigned integers or we might even see a negative rating.  In fact, if we should see a sudden, unexplainable jump in the rating, that would be a good sign of numerical rollover.  ;=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before all this blew up, the D&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;c Congress&#8217; approval was 9% or so.</p>
<p>I wonder what it is now?  </p>
<p>Too bad the polling software is using unsigned integers or we might even see a negative rating.  In fact, if we should see a sudden, unexplainable jump in the rating, that would be a good sign of numerical rollover.  ;=)</p>
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		<title>By: ic</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-121555</link>
		<dc:creator>ic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is not a bailout.
It is a shakedown.&quot; That&#039;s why the bill didn&#039;t pass the first time.

I don&#039;t think the final bill needed sweeteners to pass. I believe those first round no votes were principled, they felt they were bamboozled into voting for something they didn&#039;t understand and had no time to ponder. After Dow&#039;s 700 points drop, sensing that the bill in whatever forms would pass, the piranhas moved in to make a killing. The piranhas were mostly from the Senate who hid behind the House votes.
The Porkbusters should zero in which districts profited and if those were districts whose representatives changed their votes. 

The bill passed, Dow dropped 500 pts, 800 pts, 500 pts....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is not a bailout.<br />
It is a shakedown.&#8221; That&#8217;s why the bill didn&#8217;t pass the first time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the final bill needed sweeteners to pass. I believe those first round no votes were principled, they felt they were bamboozled into voting for something they didn&#8217;t understand and had no time to ponder. After Dow&#8217;s 700 points drop, sensing that the bill in whatever forms would pass, the piranhas moved in to make a killing. The piranhas were mostly from the Senate who hid behind the House votes.<br />
The Porkbusters should zero in which districts profited and if those were districts whose representatives changed their votes. </p>
<p>The bill passed, Dow dropped 500 pts, 800 pts, 500 pts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Self-hating boomer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-121543</link>
		<dc:creator>Self-hating boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I know someone whose home was foreclosed. He is a day-trader and gambler. Shall we call him a risk-taker? If he lost money gambling, would he be bailed out?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The more pertinent question is, if things had gone differently, and this person had made a tidy profit from flipping, would he share that profit with all of us? To the extent that it would be capital gains, yes, but that isn&#039;t as big a percentage as the typical loss that a bank (or homeowner) is going to see on a foreclosure. 

Arguably, this is the price that &lt;em&gt;we&lt;/em&gt; pay for the huge windfalls that the Federal and local governments received all through the middle of the decade. The governments went on a bender, and we get stuck with the hangover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know someone whose home was foreclosed. He is a day-trader and gambler. Shall we call him a risk-taker? If he lost money gambling, would he be bailed out?</p></blockquote>
<p>The more pertinent question is, if things had gone differently, and this person had made a tidy profit from flipping, would he share that profit with all of us? To the extent that it would be capital gains, yes, but that isn&#8217;t as big a percentage as the typical loss that a bank (or homeowner) is going to see on a foreclosure. </p>
<p>Arguably, this is the price that <em>we</em> pay for the huge windfalls that the Federal and local governments received all through the middle of the decade. The governments went on a bender, and we get stuck with the hangover.</p>
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		<title>By: Achillea</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-121528</link>
		<dc:creator>Achillea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And it is why we should be disgusted with the whole bunch.&quot;

I&#039;m beyond disgusted.

I. Want. Them. Gone.

And forget about waiting for elections to roll around.  Dogs only learn not to crap on the rug if you take the rolled-up newspaper to them right after they do it.  It&#039;s time for a nationwide recall of everyone who voted for this travesty, no matter what letter is after the name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And it is why we should be disgusted with the whole bunch.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beyond disgusted.</p>
<p>I. Want. Them. Gone.</p>
<p>And forget about waiting for elections to roll around.  Dogs only learn not to crap on the rug if you take the rolled-up newspaper to them right after they do it.  It&#8217;s time for a nationwide recall of everyone who voted for this travesty, no matter what letter is after the name.</p>
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		<title>By: ajacksonian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-the-bailout-infuriates-voters/#comment-121445</link>
		<dc:creator>ajacksonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a &#039;bailout&#039;: it is an extortion racket to rob those who are successful and reward those who have caused problems.

Bailing out Fannie and Freddie will bailout two of its main backers: China and Russia.  They have hundreds of billions to lose if those organizations evaporated.  Delinquent mortgages are the scam to get people to tax the system so the taxpayer ends up paying out to keep it going.

No one has put forward removing Fannie, Freddie and AIG from bailouts and forcing them to operate in the shark-filled waters of commercial finance without shark repellant.  They are fat, dumb, happy and have the exact, same legislation backing them today as they had before the bailout.  Congress isn&#039;t interested in &#039;fixing the problem&#039; but in saving their hides and ensuring that outsiders get their investments covered.  The American taxpayer then ends up paying for someone else&#039;s ill decisions and ill made investments.  China and Russia should have executed due oversight so as not to invest in such institutions in the first place.  Loan officers and those seeking such loans should have stuck to regular and accountable practices.

None of them did so.

That was encouraged by Congress with backing from Freddie and Fannie lobbyists.

This is not a bailout.

It is a shakedown.

The first of many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a &#8216;bailout&#8217;: it is an extortion racket to rob those who are successful and reward those who have caused problems.</p>
<p>Bailing out Fannie and Freddie will bailout two of its main backers: China and Russia.  They have hundreds of billions to lose if those organizations evaporated.  Delinquent mortgages are the scam to get people to tax the system so the taxpayer ends up paying out to keep it going.</p>
<p>No one has put forward removing Fannie, Freddie and AIG from bailouts and forcing them to operate in the shark-filled waters of commercial finance without shark repellant.  They are fat, dumb, happy and have the exact, same legislation backing them today as they had before the bailout.  Congress isn&#8217;t interested in &#8216;fixing the problem&#8217; but in saving their hides and ensuring that outsiders get their investments covered.  The American taxpayer then ends up paying for someone else&#8217;s ill decisions and ill made investments.  China and Russia should have executed due oversight so as not to invest in such institutions in the first place.  Loan officers and those seeking such loans should have stuck to regular and accountable practices.</p>
<p>None of them did so.</p>
<p>That was encouraged by Congress with backing from Freddie and Fannie lobbyists.</p>
<p>This is not a bailout.</p>
<p>It is a shakedown.</p>
<p>The first of many.</p>
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