Why Obama, Pelosi, and Reid Won’t Quit Pushing Health Care Reform
The current push for government-run health care via the nuclear option and last week’s Blair House TV snooze-orama are clear demonstrations that Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid share Vladimir Lenin’s tenacity to impose radical change where it’s not welcome — in fact, where there’s downright hostility to change by a solid majority of Americans. And make no mistake, Lenin was first and foremost about the will to power.
Gale winds of public disapproval may be blowing against proposed government-run health care and its proponents, but Obama and congressional Democratic leaders plod forward with stolid determination, now extending by six weeks the time to work through an acceptable framework to pass so-called health care reform. If that extension fails to secure health care reform legislation, then these leaders may seek another extension, if possible, in an effort to wear down opposition to their designs.
Before liberals level charges of red-baiting, I’ll offer that the differences between Lenin and the Bolsheviks and Obama and left-wing Democrats are significant, many, and varied. Through skullduggery, battle, and blood, Lenin established a dictatorship of the proletariat, which history has amply shown was a thinly veiled dictatorship by Lenin and his Communist Party heirs. There was nothing “soft” about Lenin’s tyranny or Stalin’s. The mass graves of tens of millions of victims bear mute testament to these despots’ infamy.
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are decidedly pale reds, or as was said in an earlier generation, “pinkos.” But all three have grand ambitions, make no mistake, to achieve through imposition the social — or should it be said, socialist — democracy that lies with deadening weight across the width and breadth of Western Europe. These three Democratic leaders are working within our system of government to fundamentally alter government’s relationship to the people. If these three succeed, the American experiment in liberty will effectively end.
The president and the two congressional leaders are so blinded by their ideology, so bullheaded in accomplishing a radical transformation of health care, that they’ve discarded the common sense and instinct for self-preservation that usually governs politicians’ actions. Instead, this triumvirate makes rationalizations for support of a proposal that’s been DOA almost from its inception.
Yet all three Democratic leaders are taking a calculated gamble: if they can impose govern-run health care, they’ll establish the framework for Democratic dominance for years to come, even if that means short-term election losses. Once government-run health care is a fait accompli, all three believe practical minded Americans will switch from outright opposition to trying to “improve” the government-run health care model, similar to what Americans have done for decades with failing public school systems.
Pelosi, Obama, and Reid also know that if they can successfully defy the will of the people and impose government-run health care, if they can then prevent the entitlement from being repealed in its early stages, then this massive program will foster dependency, and dependency entrenches entitlement programs, which keep government powerful and keep the advocates of entitlements in power, give or take the odd election, or until an economy crashes (see Greece, which is on the verge of collapse).
Look, Obama was VERY upfront about all his plans BEFORE the election. Even IF one were to dismiss his vast network of radical associations, one would have had to be in a literal coma NOT to have understood what Obama’s intentions were when he proclaimed – ‘we are five days before the transformation of America’.
H E L L O, what part of transformation did the voting public NOT comprehend? As a matter of fact, living thousands of miles away, in the cesspool of the Middle East, (where events change here at warpspeed) I understood full well what he meant. As I heard him utter these chilling words while watching FOX News I thought aha, the people will NEVER vote for someone who wants to transform ! (into what, pray tell? )their Republic.
After much reflection on this horrid turn of events it has become quite clear that many were snookered by the ‘hope and change’ mantra, a ploy that Obama & Michelle cooked up to lull the masses to sleep. In other words, while Obama is hardly the scholar that his cheerleaders paint him out to be-show me the transcipts, will ya?)he is surely a Master Manipulator, capable of feeding the people what they want to hear, surely gloating over their gullibility.
Obama is NOT a real scholar, but he is truly one of the best students of Alinsky and Cloward/Piven-bar none.
Give him an A+.
This one simple statement,
“If these three succeed, the American experiment in liberty will effectively end.”
Should cause every single American to stand up and SHOUT our opposition to what’s going on. Yet, there are those that support this operation of destroying the country we love. Why? I have no idea.
Obama is a tyrant. This is not about heath care but control.
The next three years will help define America for generations to come. I see nothing that gives me confidence that this despotism can be halted unless the American people literally take over. This old marine is ready to answer the call again. I believe it is that serious.
Tyranny (for the children, you know)!
They keep pushing because “liberalism is a mental Disorder”. They keep pushing cause their ego is big;. but their proposal is bad. They keep pushing because they think passing this will be better for them in November than failing to pass it. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I hate these three people.
This is the big one.
Maybe someone has him blackmailed, like it appears John Brennan does with regard to obtaining and keeping his post as National Security Advisor? Check out the interesting tidbit at the very bottom of this amazing article:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/what_i_learned_from_obamas_pop.html
This article is full of ‘noise’ and disinformation. The usual conservative shallow ethics. Obama and team know what th American people need in health care. It’s a shame that the ‘leader’ country of the world has no efficient, affordable medical care, except for Medicare. The medical Mafia (insurers, pharma, lawyers) can’t be satisfied with billions of dollars in profits (extortion). When the voters realize all the GOOD benefits that the new legislation will bring, Republicans will not stand a chance in ever winning elections again. That’s why they ferociously fight the change.
Open up your eyes and brains, America!
You mean, they’re not actually doing this for the benefit of the little guy?
You mean this is all about a power grab?
What’s that I smell, the aroma wafting in from my kitchen?? Could it be tea?
What do you call it when a small group of people take over a federal government, impose their will over the objections of the people who elected them, insult and ridicule the general population, and keep forwarding their socialist/communist agenda even though it clearly goes against our own constitution as well as the beliefs held by our founding fathers? Oh, that’s right, you would call it a coup d’etat. That’s what it is. It certainly is NOT a representative republic anymore because, if it was, then the elected officials would be heeding the objections of the people who elected them. This is a straight-up coup or highjacking of our federal government and, short of a revolution, I’m not sure it can be stopped.
I’ve lived through Vietnam, Watergate, Nixon, the Carter debacle, and the Clinton impeachment and, dear friends, I can honestly say that for the first time in my life I fear for my country. We are in deep, deep, trouble if this thing gets passed, because if it does then the members of the coup will think that the other parts of their radical agenda can be passed too. It will also do terrible harm to those people who still cling to the belief that our Constitution actually stands for something.
This would make Nixon’s abuse of power look like child’s play, because it will affect millions of people for generations to come. The country will go bankrupt, we will have to endure horrific taxes to pay for all of this, and the quality of medical care in this country will collapse. Sick and older people will also receive rationed care (as they already do in Europe) and fewer people will go into the medical profession because the cost of doing so, when compared to the returns, will simply be too high, unless our government regulates doctor’s salaries and will eventually pay for their educations as well. This will make the European nanny state look like a joke and financing healthcare, along with the cost of having to finance the bankrupt social security, medicaid and medicare programs, will consume the bulk of our federal budget, leaving very little for anythig else.
I don’t know, friends. This thing could go either way right now. But what I do know is that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi really don’t understand the damage they are doing to this country. Most coup leaders driven by ideology usually don’t and really don’t care, either.
What? A deomocrat/socialist, program that is meant to buy votes??? Well, hold the presses.
This article complements the above well:
http://article.nationalreview.com/427119/its-about-government-not-health-care/mark-steyn
I have to wonder which Democrat Congressmen are oblivious to
their political futures just so their party can gain a theoretical
dominance for the next 50 years. I’m wagering there aren’t many.
Most politicians subscribe to the philosophy of ‘who cares who wins
if I don’t survive’.
Slamming thru an unpopular piece of legislation that affects
so many people in such a visible way is probably not the best way
to win over skeptics hearts and minds. After all, what’s not
to like about a health care reform that lowers quality, raises
taxes thru the roof (on everybody), rations care, creates long
waiting lists, destroys jobs and pretty much demeans the
individual in every way imaginable. The 85% of the population
that likes their current health care arrangements will notice
the difference. They will be very motivated to take it out
those reponsible for this tragedy.
The only way Obamacare passage will benefit the Democrats in
the long term is if people decide they like it once it has
been implemented. That would have to mean that the
coservatives predictions of health care doom and gloom were
vastly overblown. People don’t fight for entitlements they
absolutely hate.
Our men and women lost their lives in Vietman fighting the Communists…Now their inheritors have washed up on the Potomac and have siezed power…The tactics used by the Soviet Union to “subvert” who they called “the main enemy”, has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams..It is compared to planting a bomb,well hidden,long after you have gone, that someone comes across unknowingly and detonates it…The damage is profound and complete…Let us not forget the cover of the Newsweek magazine that said “WE ARE ALL SOCIALIST NOW”…Putin himself must be in awe of the work that his predessesors have done…He must be real proud…The american dream has ended, folks…Long live the USA…I suggest you make a pilgrimage to Arlinton National Cemetary,place some flowers on the graves of the soldiers and say,”I’m so sorry that we have let you down…You lying in your grave shows that you did not let us down..Please forgive us for letting you die in vain..”…Long live the United States of America…We are finished….
Yet all three Democratic leaders are taking a calculated gamble: if they can impose govern-run health care, they’ll establish the framework for Democratic dominance for years to come, even if that means short-term election losses.
Actual “health” and “care” are irrelevant in this current push by the democrats.
Echoing your accurate thesis…
It’s About Government, Not Health Care
vivo: 90% of Vietnam vets are patriotic Americans who will not see their country taken over by the punks who disparaged our service. We are old now and have grand children but we WILL not see this country be destroyed by domestic marxists. So maybe it’s time you should go crawl under your bed with your teddy bear.
9. vivo:
“Obama and team know what the American people need in health care.”
Ahhh yes. The govt knows that we need. Such notions are one of the primary ingredients of every murderous dictator throughout history. Thanks for stopping by but me thinks your time would be better spent educating yourself on what a “useful idiot” is.
We were given the best country the world has known. If that’s not enough to inspire you out of your deep negativity, nothing will.
I join Pedrosito and libertyship46 in the conviction that this is a pivotal moment in American history. If we don’t stop these ambitious and irresponsible idiots, we are not just turkeys, we are cooked.
I look forward to the progressive America. Public health-care, Public Education, Public Auto companies, Public Student loans, Public Broadcasting, Public pensions, Public Grocery stores, Public Transportation.
Hey Texas if your leaving can I come too?
@11. Libertyship46: – What do you call it when a small group of people take over a federal government, impose their will over the objections of the people who elected them, … you would call it a coup d’etat.
While I share your experience and alarm, I can’t agree with the above characterization.
The term coup d’etat has a very specific meaning – and a very specific solution. The term is not applicable here because the present government was elected. Did they engage in deceit, fraud, willfull misrepresentation and coercion to get elected? Of course. But as JustAl notes – that’s nothing new.
What I call the current state of affairs is “fooling all (or at least most) of the people, some of the time”. The left excels at this, and if they manage to ram ANY “health care” bill through before November, they will have proved it once again. Because socialized medicine will have been established as a facet of U.S. governance for all time.
This is in fact how the left has achieved ALL of its successes to date. But the reason this has dragged the U.S.A. inexorably toward a leftist, totalitarian demise is because there has been absolutely NO substantive response – even when their policies go out of favor. Outside of nominal change to tax rates, truly destructive socialist programs are simply NEVER rolled back to any significant degree (see also: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, subsidized group health insurance, progressive personal income taxation, et al.). The left knows this.
Since, at this point, they are resigned to one more swing in the endless pendulum cycle that has ONLY ever worked to their benefit in the long run, they have nothing to lose by supporting Barack the Unaccomplished. They are reasonable, in fact, to hope that any bill that can be called “Success!” by their obedient Left Wing Media will (1) allow them to finally change the subject and (2) gain some modicum of credibility with their fast-crumbling base.
Whether or not BHO will be the one to take credit for pounding home the linchpin of the socialist agenda – socialized medicine – will be determined by a few Democrat politicians who may or may not decide that their careers are less important than the sovietization of America.
This historical pattern has been that Democracies last until the people learn they can vote themselves all the free stuff they want from the national treasury. The pattern is also that the Democracy is replaced by a Tyrant. A few times Athens managed to overcome the strong man and the thugs keeping him in power to restore the Democracy, but in the end the system eventually collapsed anyway.
In the US, we’ve had a core of gimmies for decades. The Democrats have been glad to cater to them shovelling out more and more of other people’s money to buy votes. It is simply accelerating now in part thanks to Bush and making sure 50% of the people don’t pay income taxes, but at the same time aiming programs at some of them. The Dems are just ramping that up, giving programs to virtually all comers, just not the productive business owner class because they aim to squeeze their strongest opposition out of existence.
That’s where we are now: headed down the road to tyranny and nothing is going to stop it, certainly not the Republicans.
Victoria Jackson: “There’s A Communist Living in the White House!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWi182CMJY8&feature=player_embedded
SCARY……
Is this REALLY our AMERICA??????
Know the TRUTH about the Government Health Care Bill H.R.3200 – Key Points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
The highly destructive Cap and Trade. An inferior healthcare plan that no one wants and cannot afford to pay. The threat to jail and/or fine those who don’t purchase the government enforced plan. Massive spending as if there is no tomorrow. Massive debt. The massive printing of paper money. There is no question that the total DESTRUCTION of America’s economy is planned. The results will be horrifying. In the once wealthy and great nation of America, millions of Americans will become destitute, hungry and homeless with no money or resources to help them.
Hey Vivo
I have worked in health care my whole life and believe me when I tell you this. Obama has NO CLUE about healthcare. When I hear him pontificate about healthcare his lack of knowledge and savvy make me cringe. It is obvious to those of us in the trenches delivering the very best of care day in and day out year after year. Healthcare is my calling and life’s work and not everything about the debate has been said as Obama claims. This man could not be trusted to find the Neosporin at the grocery store. Clueless inept incompetent.
http://www.worldtribune.com
Organized CRIME: The ‘looting’ of $11 TRILLION from the U.S. economy
March 5, 2010
The following is based on a report by Cliff Kincaid for Accuracy in Media.
Zubi Diamond, author of the powerful new book, Wizards of Wall Street, says the agenda of Soros and other short sellers is clear. Their purpose, he says, is “to loot America and any foreign country which invested in America. Greece was one of them. Iceland was ravaged and annihilated.”
“The most influential members of Managed Funds Association, the hedge fund short sellers, have an anti-capitalism agenda, an anti-industrialized nation agenda, and a far left liberal, Marxist radical agenda,” …“George Soros put the support of the organization [the MFA] behind Obama,
“They feel invincible. They have a license to destroy any company or country or hold the company or country hostage while preying on the investors. They are having dinner meetings, openly discussing collusion to attack a particular asset class, equity, or a country’s currency. If this is not organized crime, I do not know what is.”
…“The Managed Fund Association is the government,” Diamond charges. “They bought the policy makers and regulators, and then took over our government.”
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/ss_economy0172_03_05.asp
Read it all.
#26 noreen: I have been a health care provider for almost 40 yrs. For the last 15 yrs. I have been working in 2 hospitls and 4 MD offices and I agree with everything you said.I don’t see people dying because they don’t have health insurance, as a matter of fact I see alot of MD’s treating people for nothing. This is no BS.I had one doc tell me ” The G*d damn gov.isn’t gonna tell me I can’t give someone a break”. I have seen that plenty of times. This adminstration is way out of line. I just hope we can survive long enough to hold out til Nov. BTW call me parnoid but I think these guys have something up there sleeve concerning the Nov. elections. Nothing but landslide victories for Repubs is going to scare them.
“Lenin would be proud”
Lenin; the father of the murderers of generations, tens of millions, all told, hundreds of millions. Despite trying to obfuscate the truth the above mentioned politicians have death on their minds but more importantly in their hearts. Obama, Pelosi and Reid don’t know what the public wants they only know what their father wants, death and destruction. Like Herod when he heard the news that the Messiah was born and issued a decree to kill all the first born males less than two years old, for the public good, right? No, a new King was a threat to power. Any threat must be destroyed, just like Stalin, just like Mao Ze Dung just like Hitler. So goes Obama, Pelosi and Reid. God struck Herod and he died, God struck Herod’s son and he died, the Herod’s came against the Son of God and refused to glorify Him. Obama, Pelosi and Reid already have the worm eating the brain and they are crazed with power and corruption. They see the patriotic, God fearing Americans as a threat and they will do anything in their power to eliminate the threat. They even have the crazy head of DHS preparing to fight against gun toting Christians and returning American soldiers. (They said it, crazy, right?) That’s what these people do. History is proof that they will tell you any lie just to be able to kill you in the end.
That’s why they want your guns, they want your freedom and they want your money. After that you’re a slave, a prisoner. If you resist you are dead. This is the true nature of these people and their policies. They hate your freedom, they hate your God, and they hate you.
Even though we have the deck stacked against us; three branches of federal political power, locally in the states and towns, mainstream media, universities, and colleges and even some churches and religions all is not lost because we have the truth on our side and the truth always wins in the end. Yes our leaders swore an oath before God Almighty and didn’t take that oath seriously, they should have upheld truth and justice the freedom God gave every man but because of their fallen nature they could not.
God’s measured plan is at its end. The days of the corrupt governments of unregenerate men have come to an end. Their death will not be pretty. Now we get to see the Government of the righteous King endure forever. Prepare for it, think about it, and pray for it, how can this be? It’s already growing in the Earth today and they, the governments of men are afraid and for some there will be no salvation, others we’ll have to wait and see what they do.
“Lenin would be proud”
Lenin; the father of the murderers of generations, tens of millions, all told, hundreds of millions. Despite trying to obfuscate the truth the above mentioned politicians have death on their minds but more importantly in their hearts. Obama, Pelosi and Reid don’t know what the public wants they only know what their father wants, death and destruction. Like Herod when he heard the news that the Messiah was born and issued a decree to kill all the first born males less than two years old, for the public good, right? No, a new King was a threat to power. Any threat must be destroyed, just like Stalin, just like Mao Ze Dung just like Hitler. So goes Obama, Pelosi and Reid. God struck Herod and he died, God struck Herod’s son and he died, the Herod’s came against the Son of God and refused to glorify Him. Obama, Pelosi and Reid already have the worm eating the brain and they are crazed with power and corruption. They see the patriotic, God fearing Americans as a threat and they will do anything in their power to eliminate the threat. They even have the crazy head of DHS preparing to fight against gun toting Christians and returning American soldiers. (They said it, crazy, right?) That’s what these people do. History is proof that they will tell you any lie just to be able to kill you in the end.
That’s why they want your guns, they want your freedom and they want your money. After that you’re a slave, a prisoner. If you resist you are dead. This is the true nature of these people and their policies. They hate your freedom, they hate your God, and they hate you.
Even though we have the deck stacked against us; three branches of federal political power, locally in the states and towns, mainstream media, universities, and colleges and even some churches and religions all is not lost because we have the truth on our side and the truth always wins in the end. Yes our leaders swore an oath before God Almighty and didn’t take that oath seriously, they should have upheld truth and justice the freedom God gave every man but because of their fallen nature they could not.
God’s measured plan is at its end. The days of the corrupt governments of unregenerate men have come to an end. Their death will not be pretty. Now we get to see the Government of the righteous King endure forever. Prepare for it, think about it, and pray for it, how can this be? It’s already growing in the Earth today and they, the governments of men are afraid and for some there will be no salvation, others we’ll have to wait and see what they do.
Stop calling this ‘health care’ – as it has Nothing to do with either ‘health’ or ‘care’ – call it by its proper name, ‘mandated medical insurance purchase bill.’ Obummer et al will ‘provide’ all citizens with medical insurance – by making us all BUY medical insurance. It is unConstitutional to force citizens to buy a private product.
Read the bill – it is all about money; nothing about the poisonous ingredients (msg, aspartame, bgh) in our foods that make us ill.
It’s as simple as this. Only 62 percent of the American populace votes in elections. An entitlement like free healthcare will lap up many of those non-voters when Captain Obama gives them the cue. Obama will be very clear, that if you got on the waiting list to see the doc then you need to show your appreciation. Even if healthcare becomes somewhat of a debacle it would still bring some peace of mind to those derelicts who normally ignore their country. Forty percent of the country is a lot of buffer to make a gamble. Even if Dems lost 15 percent of their normal constituents it is feasible that they’d pick up at least 20 percent from the previous non-voters. All that would need to be in place is for the government to have access to patient’s applications in order to access these people to get them out to vote. All the bill has to do is not crash and burn.
No Jaafar it’s not the tea you smell. I suggest you take your head out of your behind and sniff again. Maybe with a little luck and aid from an ape you’ll realize the health care con job called Abama Care is truly just that, a con job.
Obamacare is fundamentally different from past government entitlement programs such as Medicare. The reason is that Democrats stupidly voted major tax increases in up front while the supposed “benefits” don’t kick in until years later. In addition it would be passed at a time when the economy is already shaky with high unemployment and could go into another recession. Major tax increases with no benefits will be deeply unpopular and if Democrats pass Obamacare by reconciliation it can just as easily be killed by simple majority vote of congress and the signature of the new president following the 2012 election.
I can only say that whoever votes for this treasonous so called ‘Health Care’ Debacle, will no longer be considered an American. I will donate to whoever is running against them and work VERY hard to help get rid of them. The ones who vote no will also get my support (depending on why they voted no). I only pray that if this is defeated; they these criminals will be charge with treason and be put in jail with the key thrown away. Better yet, perhaps a one way ticket to any Socialist country would also be lovely. Since they feel that it is a perfect life. Also, they should be one of the minions of the country and live out the rest of their wretched lives in poverty and servitude. They will meet a just end.
God Bless America!
I don’t think this group of traitors counted on Americans being lulled by them and standing up against their evil agenda. I am sorry for the fools who believed in them.
We can’t let it happen EVER !!
Lenin would, indeed, be proud.
The elephant in the room is that there is no problem with health CARE in the United States. Anyone can get care when they really need it. The problem is that we are so used to having the bulk of our medical expenses paid for by the insurance companies that health INSURANCE has become the real problem.
At the end of the day, nothing is ever truly free. Only a fool believes otherwise.
17. pedrosito:
18. CJ:
26. noreen:
It’s obvious from your comments that you don’t understand what ‘government’ is. If everyone would run their lives independently of other citizens and build their own infrastructures, governments wouldn’t exist. Right-wingers complain about taxes but they don’t complain about high health care fees, which are similar to taxes.
Insurance covers some doctors, hospital and drugs costs, but nobody is talking about dental or vision coverage. We are light years away from decent health care.
@38. vivo: – Right-wingers complain about taxes but they don’t complain about high health care fees, which are similar to taxes.
vivo: another flaming, delusional idiot.
The fundamental criticism of the Democrats’ socialized medicine scam is that it IGNORES skyrocketing health care costs.
I don’t really see why many people here seems to believe that national health care means totalitarian, communist? and why politicians who support it are like Lenin, Mao, Hitler??
is the whole of Europe a socialist continent? can you see the difference between European countries and the USSR? ever been to Europe?
is the UK a communist country? is the queen a socialist? what the %$&£* are you talking about?
vivo, you are full of sh…t!
Vision and dental coverage is a part of EVERY coverage. As matter of fact, they are a mandatory, and are part of the base. You and your obama are liars and thieves.
I work in HC industry for many years. I can not understand how a little bunch of thieves can brainwash entire nation. If this country does not go to pols in masses, there will be hell to pay by our children. It’s imperative to defeat these hooligans.
BO is a puppet – not a word or gesture comes from that man that has not been scripted and practiced – that’s not a master manipulator – that’s someone who is easily manipulated himself – he is a marked man unless he gives the money men who got him elected this health care bill which will fill their pockets with billions – think GE, think Wall Street, think health insurance and hospital corporations – this will mean nothing for the working people except higher premiums and bankruptcy – Michelle and Barry are corporate shills – the billionaires own these two lock, stock and barrel and if they don’t deliver the goods – well, all the skeletons in little Barry’s closet may start tumbling out. Why do you think he looks like he’s fighting for his life every time he does another speech on health care – because he is.
To get behind the reality of the extremely massive so-called Health Bill, study these following very deadly items:
1. OBAMA REPORT: DETENTION CAMPS for CITIZEN.
Mark Steyn explained, as only he can, why they are willing to go “kamikaze”… because it will fundamentally transform the United States of America (Obama’s ultimate goal)… into a permanent left-of-center nation… forever.
The tax code: Economic control.
The education system: Mind control.
Government healthcare: Total economic, mind and body control.
This is the last and final nail in Freedom’s coffin.
Obama has the hammer raised and wants nothing more than to slam it down and seal America’s fate.
He is so close, he can taste it.
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/health-237719-care-government.html
There must be some middle ground between the Western European socialist health care system, where everyone is covered but the quality of care isn’t as good as ours and our own system where the quality of care is great but many people aren’t able to access it. This country has some great minds, both Republican and Democrats. We should be able to put together a new system that provides quality care that is both sustainable and profitable for those running it and allows everyone in the country access.
@45. Shawn: – There must be some middle ground between the Western European socialist health care system, where everyone is covered but the quality of care isn’t as good as ours and our own system where the quality of care is great but many people aren’t able to access it. … We should be able to put together a new system…
Non sequitur. Clear sign of a concern troll.
First, EVERYONE in this country has direct and ready access to some of the best health care on the planet. All one needs to do is ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY to PAY for it. This is no different from the food, clothes, cars, iPods, cell phones, Coke®, Skechers, utilities, HDTVs, cable, DirecTV, Nikes, Manolo knock-offs, Levis, Starbuck’s and all the OTHER necessities of life the vast majority of people in this country seem to be able to buy.
We HAD a system that worked for everyone. That was before leftists in the federal government began working to destroy the free market for health care – first with employer-paid plans, then Medicare, then with HMOs, then with subsidized comprehensive policies… ALL of this meddling has produced one thing: forty years of skyrocketing health care costs.
You want a workable system? You only need to do a few simple things: eliminate comprehensive, group health care insurance (tax incentives will do this job just fine), decouple health care insurance from employment, encourage HSAs and high-deductible/low-premium catastrophic policies and get the government OUT of the health care business altogether.
Again, EVERYONE in America has “access”. What some don’t have is “coverage”. But COVERAGE IS NOT HEALTH CARE, so any plan that ensures “coverage” is not ensuring access. That’s because the problem is not “coverage”, the problem is the skyrocketing cost caused by a system that was designed by leftists in the federal government.
41. Skydiver:
“Vision and dental coverage is a part of EVERY coverage.”
What I meant is that the standard coverages are ridiculously low and the cost extremely high. Try to get individual dental, vision insurance not provided by an employer. What you get is ‘reduced’ fees where you pay 80% or more. Look at Medicare. Look at people making less than $50K. Rich Republicans live in a bubble.
I believe even if Obama shoves the facade of Obama Care through with his propaganda and lies, he will lose. Obama is being pummeled in the corner.
Just like there was a part of me that hoped the liars from the Left would win it all in 2008 so they would finally be exposed as thieves and idiots, incapable in every capacity, there’s a part of me now hoping this empty suit rams his Obama care idiocy down the throats of voting Americans.
When our anger burns for three years, and we dispose of this charlatan, overturn his ignorance, boot his lackeys of “Yes We Can!” out of office as they turn on each other in their failure, it will make the overwhelming victory that much sweeter.
And Obama’s reputation will fall as quickly as his illusion formed, a name of scorn and ridicule surpassing even Jimmy Carter as a description of abject failure.
@46. goy:
Since my statement was entirely about Health Care reform and maintained a single point of view throughout, I wouldn’t classify it as a non sequitur. As far as being a concern troll, I never intended to make anyone believe that I was of the same thoughts and spirit that this article and most of the responders exhibit. I worded my response as I did in order to be polite and civil.
If getting government out of Health Care and decoupling it from employment solves the problem then I am all in favor. Has anyone tried to push legislation through that would enact this change? And as far as the high costs of Health Care, I always assumed it was caused by greed. Whether by pharmaceutical companies or malpractice lawsuits.
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@49. Shawn: – Since my statement was entirely about Health Care reform…
Shawn, go here if you’re interested in learning more about this topic. It doesn’t automatically follow that there’s a “middle ground”. The middle ground between two broken systems is… a broken system, by definition.
Health care is a commodity. The vast majority of health care consumed is routine health care that can be planned for just like we plan for the expense incurred through purchasing any other commodity. Paying for this type of health care using an insurance policy is what has driven the cost to increase at rates multiple that of inflation, for decades.
Paul Ryan’s Roadmap is a step toward fixing this and other systemic problems in the U.S. government.
The Green Agenda is all about Population Controls .In this link its all about quotes from world leaders UN and all saying population controls are Key to cap and Trade and Health care .
Jacques Cousteau and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh quotes here in this link were extremely hard to grasp because I grew up thinking of Mr Cousteau as a Great humanitarian .
http://www.green-agenda.com/ http://www.warsocialism.com/America.htm
http://dieoff.org/ plan of the population reduction http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece
Population control called key to deal , I think this is why we saw the health care bill target elderly folks with restrictions on treatment with Medicare cuts .
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-12/10/content_9151129.htm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html
When I see these kinds of things I say we the people need to stand up and take back control of our Government and our Country , and decide whats best for America .
http://climategate.tv/?tag=population-control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDJc0PZV-Bk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU&feature=player_embedded
THE FATAL FREEDOM , first you have to teach people to hate Freedom , like its the disease …..Rule for Radicals again ….
by Jay Hanson (Revised 8/29/97)
Exploit: To employ to the greatest possible advantage.
http://dieoff.org/page79.htm
I don’t know if you people read the polls but only 4% of the country want health care to remain the same. I assume it is you 4%. I do not know how you can say that 45 is a majority of America, but you people seem to be willing to say anything that agrees with the narrative you have made up in your brain.
@55. Brian N: – I don’t know if you people read the polls but only 4% of the country want health care to remain the same. I assume it is you 4%
Well, then that just demonstrates you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. And anyone who wants to maintain the status quo regarding the skyrocketing costs, caused by the INSANE way we pay for health care is just as clueless.
Socialized medicine – which is what ALL the Democrats’ so-called “reform” legislation has been – is not going to fix the problems with health care. As the CBO has already instructed, it will only make those problems worse, aside from the fact that Congress does not have the Constitutional authority to implement it.
Every commodity we pay for directly, out-of-pocket has remained relatively affordable for the vast majority of American citizens.
The one and ONLY commodity that we for with INSURANCE – health care – has seen costs skyrocket for at least four decades. It’s pretty simple math. And the causal factors are all glaringly obvious to anyone who passed Econ 101.
Here’s the only change that makes sense: get inefficient, unaccountable, corrupt government OUT of health care. End the extortion used to force retirees into Medicare and stop allowing Medicare to steal Taxpayer funds to stay afloat. Decouple insurance from employment. Go back to paying for ALL health care directly. Get DTC ads for marginally tested, overpriced drugs out of the media. Implement real TORT reform. Subsidize Health Savings Accounts, backed up by a high-deductible / low-premium plan that does what insurance is INTENDED to do (mitigate risk and prevent medical bankruptcy). Oh, and did I mention: get government OUT of health care.
My belief is that they are pushing through this insurance reform to cover the complete failure of medicare. You can’t afford to take care of someone over 65 with insurance that costs less than $100 per month and covers almost everything. Rather than to admit that medicare is failed. This is another prop.
It isn’t health care reform, but mandated insurance.
@57. Joy: – You can’t afford to take care of someone over 65 with insurance that costs less than $100 per month and covers almost everything.
Medicare’s an issue, certainly, but be aware of a couple things…
Medicare isn’t just funded by $100/mo. premiums extorted from retirees on pain of losing 100% their Social Security benefits. The majority of funding for Medicare comes from the following:
1. Payroll deductions – money that is confiscated by the government from working Taxpayers (on top of their Income Tax and SS withholding) so that it can be redistributed to Medicare beneficiaries (i.e., by paying for their health care).
2. Theft – money taken from the General Treasury that is NOT allocated for Medicare.
3. Taxes on benefits – that is, taxes that you pay based on the dollar amount of a benefit that you previously paid a tax to get in the first place.
4. Deficit spending – as of next year and beyond, on top of all the above, the government will have to borrow money from the Chinese in order to pay for Americans’ Medicare benefits.
Worse still, even with the extortion, theft, double taxation and deficit spending involved, Medicare STILL doesn’t cover “almost everything” – far from it. Medicare is nothing like the comprehensive, group health care insurance most of us get through our employers. In fact, supplemental insurance policies must be maintained by retirees in order to fill in the holes left by Medicare’s crappy coverage. And those additional policies are not cheap, as you might guess.
So think about that. Even with ALL of the money being unconstitutionally funneled into the Medicare system, it STILL can’t provide decent health care coverage. A LOT of imagination is required to think of a way this kind of system could work for the entire country.
he medical Mafia (insurers, pharma, lawyers) can’t be satisfied with billions of dollars in profits (extortion). When the voters realize all the GOOD benefits that the new legislation will bring, Republicans will not stand a chance in ever winning elections again. That’s why they ferociously fight the change.
Council On Foreign Relations – CFR – is THE ENEMY of America. Newt Gingrich is a card-carrying member of the infamous CFR. Anything to do with the Newt or that bears his name is an anathema to we the people of the United States of America. Don’t listen to nor buy ANYTHING that the Newt has to say or to offer. Shun the Newt like a social disease, which his three former wives all did – for a good reason.