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Why Is the U.S. Helping China Militarize Space?

Beijing is in search of a red planet–and it’s not Mars.

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Gordon G. Chang

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October 29, 2013 - 11:33 pm
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After howls of protests from both American scientists and Beijing propagandists screaming “discrimination,” NASA has reversed its initial decision to exclude Chinese nationals from the Kepler Science Conference at the Ames Research Center in California early next month.

The reversal came after Representative Frank Wolf (R-VA), the author of legislation restricting contacts between NASA and China, indicated the Chinese should not be barred. “The congressional provision — which has been in place since early 2011 — primarily restricts bilateral, not multilateral, meetings and activities with the Communist Chinese government or Chinese-owned companies,” he wrote to NASA on the 8th of this month. “It places no restrictions on activities involving individual Chinese nationals unless those nationals are acting as official representatives of the Chinese government.”

Wolf gave NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, who is broadly in favor of cooperation with Beijing, the political cover to invite the Chinese to the conference. Moreover, most analysts and observers think the ban in this case was ill-advised. As Geoff Marcy, the well-known astronomy professor at Berkeley, noted, “The meeting is about planets located trillions of miles away, with no national security implications.”

Is that so? “No, the PLA is not going to invade exoplanets in the Andromeda system, but the PLA is very interested in deep space,” analyst Rick Fisher, referring to the Chinese military by its initials, tells PJ Media. “Knowledge of deep space dynamics and operations is viewed by the PLA as necessary for ‘space control.’”

Marcy may know much about the heavens — he is said to be in line for a Nobel Prize, after all — but he could use a brush-up on China. “There is no such thing as a non-military related space program or non-military affected space researcher in China,” notes Fisher, a senior fellow of the International Assessment and Strategy Center and widely followed China military expert. “If the PLA wanted to use any of the insights that Chinese scientists gained from the Kepler Conference, those Chinese scientists would comply immediately.”

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It is not foolish to be concerned about the uses of nationalism in China, and the support that technology of most sorts will give the PLA hierarchy. Still, there is no action without costs. The action of cooperating has costs, and the action of a space technology blockade of China has costs. The question for us is, which cost is higher.

Engineering space activities, and knowledge about that, *will* contribute to supporting the PLA hierarchy. Note however that we have tried before to exclude a large asian country from space technology, and found them developing it themselves, with no cooperation or influence for us on its uses. I speak, of course of LHy/LOX propulsion tech, which the US withheld from India in the past, largely because of the friendship/alliance Indira Gandhi had made with the Soviets in WW3.

There are additional costs, however. The highly productive world-wide networks of science and technology do not exist without interchange of technology and scientific knowledge. The productivity of those networks has benefited the US perhaps more than any other nation on Earth. As strong an advocate of defending the freedoms of action of industrial society around the world as Edward Teller repeatedly made it clear how critically destructive too much secrecy can be to those networks. In this Theodore Von Karman, who did so much for re-entry vehicle research, also stated before Congress during the post-sputnik panic, the key point that, ..."Eventually, physics works the same for everyone".

The last cost of a blockade of spaceflight information towards China is that whole subject is diversionary from the worst we do to ourselves about spaceflight technology and the military. That is, the inability of the US political community to accept a policy of large-scale military activities in Space. It matters little whether the PLA does 10 times as much as we do in military spaceflight as the does the fact that we do almost nothing beyond reconsats and comsats of one type and another, compared to what we could do, and the benefits we could reap from that. This closely paralells that same political community's inability to take seriously the idea that the proper use of NASA is to support the growth of *the*rest*of*US*society*.

At the moment, large sectors of the political community closest to NASA Centers do not even want to hear that anything other than immediate jobs at the lowest political cost (large programs requiring only a single favor for each vote delivering the same dollars to their districts as many more small tech development projects, that each cost a favor for each vote they get in Congress) possible. The real problem is *not* that we are helping the Chinese do so much, but that our present political consensus will support ourselves doing so little!
50 weeks ago
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Clinton as president was too earthy a guy to be a real Marxist. Clinton's grand adventures with Monica point this out.

A real marxist looks like Lenin or ol' Karl himself, grimacing in irritation at just about everything that hasn't yet been collectivized.

Billy Clinton does this in his smilin', gregarious way because he's the quintessential glad-handing extrovert and opportunist. He's probably fun at parties [social gatherings, rather] and a real guy's guy. A loyal friend, etc.

These characteristics simply don't go with being a "Marxist".
50 weeks ago
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"These characteristics simply don't go with being a "Marxist". "


Very true!

Which makes him all the more dangerous. The obvious enemy is always easier to defeat than the concealed enemy.
50 weeks ago
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.......m u s t g e t a s t e n c i l .
50 weeks ago
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:D
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This goes back to the Clinton Era. Clinton changed the rules for what technology could be shipped to China. The standards kept being lowered and even ignored. The Chinese got advanced supercomputers, 5-axis lathes, advanced avionics and rockets guidance systems, etc. Clinton gave them all manner of dual use technology.

Then there is all the manufacturing that was sent to China which not only gave them technology but experience in making the stuff. It also gave them lots of hard foreign currency as the West idiotically sought cheap Chinese labor while hollowing out the homelands' economy.
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I'm glad someone brought it up since Hillary Clinton is preparing run for president, it might be worthwhile to look at the previous Clinton administration's ties to China. The current U.S. Ambassador to China, Gary Locke who has family ties in China , was a democratic campaign contribution bundler back in the day. That was the same time Leon Panetta was White House Chief-of-Staff, recently SecDef under Obama. What does all of that have to do with China? It was that Clinton administration that, against the advice of the CIA, Department of State, and Commerce Department, that they arranged for the sale of long range missile guidance technology to China. Jimmy Chung took the fall for the foreign campaign contributions but Gary Locke walked right under the radar and somehow during the time of Hillary Clinton as Secrectary of State, Leon Panetta as head CIA and at a differnt time in that period was SecDef, and Gary Locke as U.S. Ambassador to China the Chinese produce a copy of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

For the earlier malfeasance see the following link
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html
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“There is no such thing as a non-military related space program or non-military affected space researcher in China,” notes Fisher

Exactly. Nor is there any such thing as a non-military related technology of any kind, where China is concerned.


Westerners don't understand the Chinese mindset. We don't have a clue about their patience, nor their purpose. They fully intend to defeat us militarily, and decisively.

Why?

Pride. Just pride. Nothing more.

Westerners cannot comprehend that. Many of you reading this will laugh at it.

Laugh all you want. It's still true.
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.......also, suggest using the word, "Face", capitalized, instead of "pride".
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Same thing, really, to a western mind. Americans understand the word, "pride" better.

I'm not sure we really understand the depths of the concept of "face".

Many, many lives have been and will be lost because of it.
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Exactly.
The mindsets of the Chinese and Americans [i.e. Westerners generally] simply aren't wired the same way.
It's perfectly silly to minimize this difference, but it's also perfectly evident that silliness reigns in the name of that nauseating concept of "Political Correctness" and that omnipresent, knee-jerking, lurking jab of "racism" and "stereotyping." It's so easy to dismiss our differences under those universal, nifty epithets.
This tunnel vision isn't going to go away, it's too easily shouted out and shrieked about.
But, It can be recognized for the crassness that it is....and then we can "move forward" [!] recognizing that we have differing mindsets, and develop "workarounds" and come to agreements of some sort.
Our basic differences are likened to two individuals talking past each others' shoulders with blank expressions.
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"The mindsets of the Chinese and Americans [i.e. Westerners generally] simply aren't wired the same way. "


Yes, and we can deal with effectively ONLY when we recognize it. Pretending it ain't so is a fatal mistake.
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"Why Is the U.S. Helping China Militarize Space?"

Because we have a Democrat for a President, it's really that simple. The last Democrat President we had sold them ballistic missile and nuclear weapon technology in exchange for reelection campaign funds, why should this one be any different.
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Well, let's be fair here. He didn't sell them all that technology just for campaign funds. That was just the personal bonus.

He did it for much more noble reasons - his Marxist ideology.

Same as the current one.
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