Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin: It’s Academic
Feminists have long blamed male oppression for women’s cat fights. But this election season, feminists have engaged in the worst kind as they lobbed personal insults at Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who more than any of their feminist standard-bearers seems to not only have “had it all,” but to have done it all. Conservatives have rightly noted this deterioration of the “sisterhood.”
The histrionic attacks are rooted in something much deeper than simple political disagreement.
What the feminists hate is that, on the job, Palin is one of the boys.
That Palin thinks like a man, or logically, is what has made the left livid. As appropriate to their modes, they respond emotionally. The men in their movement, who have become one of the girls in terms of thinking, respond with personal insults, even going so far as to mock the looks of her baby, as Bill Maher recently did.
But if one looks to other arenas, like the humanities departments in universities that have been transformed by feminism, one can see that such personal attacks are entirely consistent with the left’s version of intellectualism. When I entered graduate school in the 1990s I quickly found out that character assassinations had become the staple of literary scholarship.
This change followed the takeover of humanities departments, like English, by women, beginning around 1980. That year women began out-earning men with regard to doctorates in English, by two percentage points. The percentages rose, until in 1995 women began earning about 60% of such Ph.D.s, a figure that has remained roughly consistent since then.
The influx and domination of women in the field has had a devastating impact on intellectual discourse, for not only did men capitulate to women’s demands on affirmative hiring practices, but to their demands to change the tenor and standards of scholarship itself.
The 1980s saw a concomitant change in the popular culture, as women wedged their way into boardrooms and military academies. While John T. Molloy may have in 1978 urged women to dress and act for success by imitating their male business colleagues, psychologist Carol Gilligan, in her 1982 bestseller In a Different Voice, promoted women’s ways of thinking, based on emotion and consensus, as superior to the old patriarchal mode of logic and independence.
Feminism as “intellectual lip service” indeed.
Palin not only “thinks like a man” (SHAME on you, Mary G!…hee hee), but also achieves goals/accomplishes tasks in her own – that is to say, non-doctrinal – way.
“Heresy! Off with her h!men!!!” scream the massses.
Genuine qualitites of a genuine leader:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/sarah_palin_and_the_experience.html
But even you can not bring yourself to call an unborn child a baby. Fetus is the word of a feminist.
Eh, I don’t think the hostility has anything to do with they way women think vs men. English departments want to overthrow the parts of the culture they don’t like and happen to have chosen Marxism to do it. It’s Marxist cultural thinking vs western, not men vs women.
“The feminist and her male followers who attempt to change American culture through histrionic grievances, demands, meetings, and mass protests see in Palin a glaring example of how their ideas were not only wrong, but unnecessary and, indeed, harmful to women’s advancement.”
Right on the money. These parasites need to be exposed for what they are and treated accordingly (i.e. ignored or, preferably, laughed at).
TO: Mary Grabar, et al.
RE: Indeed
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Don't be a sexist; broads hate that.]
It’s manly to think logically and girly to think emotionally? Wow. Talk about sexist.
Thanks, Mary, for a great article.
It boils down to the plain simple fact that the Sarah haters are rotten people. It is as simple as that.
It’s not a matter of a difference of opinion. It is a matter of extreme character deficiency. It doesn’t matter how many layers of education, sophistication, elitism, or pretension one wraps around that rotten core, you are still dealing with some of the worst examples of humanity you could hope to find.
The silver lining in this display is that they are revealing their true nature for all to see.
Nah. ‘Way back in the ’70s, before women had begun the penetrate the workplace at all, the English department at my college was already full of prima donnas who acted in emotional, unprofessional fashion. And, the Democratic Party had embarked on what would turn into a series of political campaigns based on emotion, or cults of personality, not policy.
Sarah Palin is a ball of fire. She reminds me of about a third of the women in my family, including me. She’s exactly what this country needs. The reason the Democrats who support Obama are going nuts is because they are jealous.
How did the Democratic Party lose the best female politician of her generation?
I believe hatred of Governor Palin is more fundamental.
I’m surprised at the vehemence and vitriol that continues to gush and burble from her opponents. I’ve thought at length why so many are so critical of Palin even in a manner that contradicts and undermines the values they proclaim. Playing armchair psychiatrist I’ve developed a theory. I certainly can’t prove it but it does seem to fit the behaviors. I believe the origin of these behaviors is in Freud’s idea of psychological projection.
Wikipedia states “psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.”
Why should this psychological projection occur? What does Sarah Palin represent to these people?
In one respect Sarah Palin should be the poster child for feminists. She has achieved everything that feminists claim men have prevented woman from achieving. So why is she not only criticized but smeared by so many woman that purportedly claim to want nothing but the emancipation and equality of woman? While Governor Palin is a conservative I don’t recall Elizabeth Dole being derided this way. I believe there is something much more fundamental going on than ideology.
The one difference, there for all to see, impossible to ignore is that Sarah Palin has achieved what she has without resorting to abortion. Not only has she not had an abortion but has birthed a child with Down’s Syndrome. I believe the hate directed at Sarah Palin is a psychological projection from ambitious professional educated women for achieving what they so desire without resorting to killing a child. Their hatred for Mrs. Palin is guilt ultimately resulting in self-hatred. Instead of reconsidering their decisions and self-image they project their self-hate onto Mrs. Palin making her a caricature, someone less than human thus absolving them of guilt. Their thinking is, “she’s not like me so I don’t have to question myself.”
Psychological projection not only accounts for the treatment of Sarah Palin. It also explains why any limitations of abortion at the most extreme margins is unacceptable. Partial birth abortion? Nothing wrong there, there’s no person. Kill a baby that survives an abortion? Why not, it was unwanted and only through a fluke did it survive. If it’s not a person in the womb why should it be a person a short distance from the womb?
Once allowances are made that at some point a fetus is a person then how does one justify that a month, day or minute earlier it wasn’t? And if one were to truly consider that what was destroyed was a person…then logically in an abortion, a mother has killed her own child. Not only killed her child but perhaps done so for career, social and material advancement. I think anyone with a conscience would have much difficulty maintaining a healthy self-image with such a burden to bear. It’s much easier and less psychologically troubling to kill the messenger.
“”"Among the humanities, it is English departments that suffer the worst reputations as inconsequential and useless places.”"”
It is this strange reverse sieving that America is coming to recognize in US universities; keeping the chaff and tossing the wheat. I see a future where a humanities degree is viewed like a bad credit history than an accomplishment someday soon. Rightly so.
RE: Palin haters are scared of someone who takes 6 years and 4 universities to graduate from some hick college with a degree in journalism. Not only that but a journalism major who can’t specifically name one publication she reads. People who don’t want Palin understand clearly how many more qualified candidates there are in the country. Hell we interact with more qualified people everyday. McCain made the choice to put winning an election before this country. A good general develops a plan B in case he doesn’t make it through the war. The Palin pick goes to show how little McCain learned from his military training. In a complex and dangerous world we need someone who is intelligent enough to lead us through. Republican ignorance isn’t going to keep us number 1.
McSame:
Interesting points, but I think you had a typo:
“People who don’t want Palin understand clearly how many more qualified candidates there are in the country.”
I am pretty sure you meant to say:
“People who don’t want Obama understand clearly how many more qualified candidates there are in the country.”
Thanks for reinforcing my point, McSame.
feminazis hate men. So badly that they want to replace them thus they hate themselves.
Gov. Palin is a woman whose life is enriched by her husband being a man.
That is just more than the libs can handle, a successful couple who know what the plumbing God gave to them is for.
A big issue they have with her is that her success story makes their heads explode – for women, it’s not supposed to happen this way. After all wahines don’t win, let alone compete, at Maverick’s, where the waves can reach 50 feet.
She ran an insurgent campaign for governor, identifying and running on they key voter gripes of the moment, and won against a sitting governor in the primary, and a past governor in the general. She then focused on just three issues, ethics reform, oil royalties, and the pipeline, with success on her key agenda. That’s prioritizing and focus: i.e. good management.
In my opinion, she has a higher rating among men because men are hierarchical. By knocking off the two alpha males (Governors) in her state, she earned the right to burst into the Governor’s office, plop her feet on the desk, lean back and smoke a victory stogie, and then proceed to use her political skills and mandate to push the agenda she ran on through the legislature. She might be uncouth for their more refined tastes, but hey, she was the one who ran, and won.
Some argue she just caught a big wave, and happened to be the only one to ride it to the beach; as if identifying one, catching it, and actually doing so amounted to nothing.
Others claim she wasn’t inclusive enough in considering legislative input for her agenda, as if consensus was a goal in our system, when it isn’t. A successful politician makes only enough compromises to get their agenda passed – 50% + 1 with no permanent enemies is the goal – not a circle of legislators singing kumbaya.
She beat men on their terms, asked no quarter, and gives none. This is why she earned Camille Paglia’s grudging respect, because she has a profile more like that of a populist coup leader than that of a feminist steeped in grievance politics. It is also why she drives campus feminists over the edge.
Sarah Palin is a living, breathing symbol of a real woman, one who lives and functions in the “real world”. Leftist feminism is just another crutch for the eternal victimhood of marxism. She exposes the BS of NOW, and the nasty misogyny woven through out the democratic party, the media, and our “elite” centers of higher learning. Years ago, I made the mistake of taking a “women in the workplace” seminar at OSU. (disclosure: I am a working mom and had been, at that time, for 8 years) I was older than the teacher, the oldest in the class (at 39) First evening, we did a round robin type of thing to introduce ourselves. Everybody else had been working on advanced degrees in women’s studies, attending seminars on female empowerment, etc. Not one of those women had actually been in the workplace (outside of a college campus or college sponsored field study), and no, not to offend college professors, but “college” is not the workplace. Every single one of them held a grievance theater production in their introduction – a laundry list of how “men” had abused, held down, and generally “been mean” to them. Well, I am a wife and mother of 2 sons. I work in the medical field ( I ‘m an ER MD) I don’t hate men and I think everyone has to take responsibility for themselves. One thing that really stood out for me: not one of these “oppressed” women came from an oppressed life. They were upper middle class, had been raised that way and were uniformly “whitebread”. Another disclosure, I am of hispanic descent. By that time, I had worked in Appalachia and on 2 reservations in Montana. None of these enlightened souls had done a thing with all their “angst” other then feed each other in their echo chamber. I was later told by the instructor that I was “too disruptive” for the class. I was not. But I did have a different point of view and because I am a “brown” person, I was a double whammy affront. I even had one lady tell me I was “very misguided”, and ask “don’t you know your own history?” I asked if she knew hers. Now, to me that smacked of a reverse discrimination. And that is what Sarah Palin is dealing with everyday, nasty discrimination and outright misogyny.
To McSame, Obama followers fear that she is the one candidate who has actually done something concrete not just co sponsored bills (and then conventiently forget to mention when they take credit for a bill that passed only to find out later that it actually didn’t, but this doesn’t make them a liar, no?.) That is something Obama and Biden both with all their education couldn’t achieve in all their years of supposed public service. Obama couldn’t even get a park built and his partners in crime at least the wife for pocketing thousands that were supposed to go to this park to improve the community and are now under investigation- I wonder if the mainstream media will pick up on this in time before the election is cast, I am sure they are a little too busy putting their hard earned journalism skills to use to see if they really can see Russia, which they can. And let me note when Russia wants to intimidate America they don’t fly their fighter planes around the east coast, no, they head straight to Alaska. So, yes, Palin is full aware of how important the proximity of Alaska is to Russia, it just seems everybody else has forgotten. Lastly, considering how deep all the other politicians have their hands in the cookie jars in Washington with the subprime crisis and credit crisis (Joe Biden’s cozy relationship with the credit card companies, Obama direct ties with Fannie Mae and ACORN, again falls on deaf ears) maybe the fact that she isn’t as knowledgeable about the old, corrupt Washington way of doing things is the right change we need, that doesn’t sound the McSame to me that sounds like a breath of fresh air.
“It’s manly to think logically and girly to think emotionally? Wow. Talk about sexist.”
It’s not sexist if its true. Consider Harry Summers losing his job because he posited that there might be mental traits inherent in both male and female. The reason he lost his job was because a bunch of allegedly educated and enlightened women had the vapors and complained about his idea; they couldnt handle the very idea in a setting that purports to value the itellectual and different ideas. Nancy Hopkins, the MIT scientist who walked out of Larry Summers’ controversial speech on women in science, said “When he started talking about innate differences in aptitude between men and women, I just couldn’t breathe because this kind of bias makes me physically ill.” The vapors. This isn’t a mature adult, much less a scientific attitude.
Women have always ordered their environment to suit their tastes. Note the rhetoric that they only want to have an equal shot while on the job, but the moment they get hired in, their personal preferences are to be catered to: no more cussing allowed, no more dirty jokes, no more nudey, or even cheesecake swimsuit pics and calendars in the back shop where the public doesn’t go. Why is that? And why is it sexist to have a nudey calendar and not sexist for a new hire female employee to be ordering the workspace environment to suit her tastes and preferences, while ignoring those of her co-workers?
Tonight we will know a bit more about Sarah Palin. I am looking forward to it.
I was surprised by the swift reaction to her selection, so many strong views about someone they also admitted knowing little to nothing about. Such fear.
I have always lived in “fly-over country” and my type of feminism is different. I want girls and women to make their own choices in their lives and to reach their potential. Gov. Palin has achieved so much in her personal and professional life.
What is the right term for all the “feminists” who are trying to smear her, put her down and tell her she is not worthy? What is that called? At times, it gets pretty close to hate speech.
It is possible for us feminists in fly-over country to love and admire Hillary and Sarah. How sad I’ve been to learn this year that NOW is only for some women. I hope the post-feminist era begins soon and with much more tolerance and support for all women (and not at the expense of men).
Dr. Grabar,
I too am a woman pursuing a PhD degree. And, I too deplore the unthinking reliance on postmodern theories in the academy. I agree that truth and reason, which you strangely posit as exclusively male qualities, are more important than emotion and theory.
If we are to give truth and reason the weight that they deserve, then, your analysis of Sarah Palin is clearly off the mark:
1) In her recent interviews on CBS, Palin clearly described herself as a “feminist.”
2) One of Palin’s claims to fame has been that she helped to dismantle the “old boys club” in Alaskan politics.
This is hardly the rhetoric of a woman who thinks and acts “like a man” as you argue, let alone one who is not paying “lip-service” to feminism.
You also argue that Palin stands for truth and reason rather than “emotion-based political legitimacy.” However, to name but a few:
1) Governor Palin lied when she said she was involved in trade missions with the Russians.
2) She lied about the depth of her involvement with the Alaska National Guard.
3) She exaggerated the truth to the point of the ridiculous when she said she could see Russia from Alaska.
4) She has made the ridiculous and impossible claim that she reads “all” the newspapers.
5) Palin does not make the logical link between needing to understand what causes global warming and being able to find solutions to fix it.
6) Palin referred to the morning-after-pill as “contraception”; something that would seem to be at odds with her pro-life stance.
As for “emotion-based political legitimacy,” in the face of criticism, Palin and the McCain campaign have certainly resorted to emotional appeals rather than logical arguments:
1) Palin and McCain have blamed “Gotcha-journalism” as a means of defending Palin’s inability to answer even the most basic domestic and foreign policy questions.
2) Palin has discussed important foreign policy issues in terms of “good guys” and “bad guys.”
3) Palin (and McCain) have sighted social rejection on the part of the Washington “elite” as one of the reasons that she has faced criticism.
4) Palin (and McCain) have described her suitability to be Vice President using ambiguous and cliched terms like “maverick” and “Joe Six-Pack.”
5) Palin uses the “I’m just like you” argument in her appeals to voters.
6) When asked about important domestic and foreign policy issues, Palin often draws parallels between the wider issue and her own family situation. (This, in itself, need not be criticized, but for your contention that it is only the Democratic party that practices “emotion-based” politics.)
7) Wasn’t that Bill O’Reilly on Fox News the other day, showing a clip of Palin’s parents defending their little girl and then shaking his head in sympathy?
In your article, you also imply that a lack of sisterhood is to blame for criticism of Palin, just as you say women treat each other badly in the academic world. You are right to point out the hypocrisy of many so-called feminists or liberals who, like many so-called people of faith, do not practice the values that they pretend to uphold. However, in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, it is also hypocrisy to defend Palin on the grounds that she is a beacon of truth and reason.
“McCain made the choice to put winning an election before this country.”
Something that Barack Obama does on a regular basis. But, I think if McCain was really all about winning at all costs, he wouldn’t have chosen Sarah Palin. He would have picked someone a bit more moderate, maybe even pro-choice, to get more independent and swing voters, and women. But, he didn’t. Choosing Sarah Palin was a big risk. Plus, I’m a Democrat, and I’m not very happy with the choice of Joe Biden, who I think is a fool.
As for feminists’ reaction to Palin, it’s certainly made me think differently about many women that I used to admire. They’re hypocrites, all of them, and I won’t ever support any of these groups again. Since when does being pro-life mean you’re anti-woman? Even though I am a Dem, my views are closer to Palin’s than the other three candidates. And, (oh, my God!), I graduated from a state school, too (and after attending two other schools). Gee, how do regular people like us survive without “leadership” from the elite school graduates, like Barack Obama?
You making a mistake turning this into a feminist argument. We are seeing the same thing we saw with Ms. Rice. The opponants are very logical. She is a woman and she has achieved tremendous success in her career but she is not a Democrat so she is not of value to them. That is logical.
We saw the same thing when President Clinton betrayed his wife in front of the world but it was more important to keep the power base than to condemn him, also very logical. Your also making a mistake calling this feminism or hatred. It’s business and power. Does anyone remember how Hilary Clinton was mocked when she teared up during an interview? The media and the Democrats were done with her so her emotions were mocked some said faked.
It’s the Palin haters who are more logical than her. When she says “I support life”, she’s not speaking about her life, she’s speaking about the life of others. That entails emotion, it takes away from self which is not logical.
For example: It’s the pro-abortion lobby that is logical and unemotional about the issue. That’s why very few will argue with them. They have to define person-hood as when the being’s head exits the woman, otherwise it will become an argument of when does it get rights and protections under the Constitution. By the argument being a choice between the life of the woman or the life of the other being it becomes very logical that the law would side with the woman. It is leaving the value of the being up to the woman and therefore not necessarily Pro-Abortion but Pro-Choice. The law has decided very logically and unemotionally to leave it up to the woman. I don’t think that anyone would argue against the fact that upon conception a human life has begun, the argument is when it comes under the protection of the Constitution.
What I hate the most is not that SOME women hate her it’s how they are trying to degrade her as somehow she is less of a person because she doesn’t fit into their niche. And from how some conservatives are so concerned about her performance against the liberals, I’m guessing she doesn’t fit into their niche either. I also hate how they are trying to degrade her physically like the man who painted a nude picture of her. I want to tar and feather him but hate to make him matter. They did the same thing with President Bush by portraying him as a monkey or the character from Madd magazine but I also hate to make them matter. I also think it’s good because they shine a light on their own character and then we don’t have to go to the trouble ourselves.
It is business and power neither feminine or masculine but logical.
One very good thing that has come as a result of Sarah Palin’s candidacy is that she has made more women aware of what “feminists” are really about. “Feminism” is an ideology unto itself and is intolerant of anyone who doesn’t fit it. As pointed out in this great article, this “feminism” has done damage to our society.
After witnessing how horribly Governor Palin has been treated by feminists, I want no part of them! I actually find them detestable. I don’t think that I am alone and because of this, I believe that a “counter-feminism” group of women is emerging.
I believe that the women’s vote is not going to be the same after this election, no matter who wins. Why? Because those of us who support Governor Palin are more fervently against these “feminists” and their chosen and “anointed” candidates. It will affect our voting for years to come.
Joan – i sincerely hope your PhD field (which, rather suspicously, you omit to reveal) does not require close reading skills for you utterly misinterpret Dr, Grabar’s statement “That Palin thinks like a man, or logically, is what has made the left livid. As appropriate to their modes, they respond emotionally.” Contrary to the premise of your post (and the littany of falsehoods it manifests) this does not imply that Dr. Grabar posits truth and reason “as exclusively male qualities.” Rather, it is the suggestion that to the left a woman thinking logically rather than emotionally is thinking like a man and thus, is unacceptable.
I’ll leave the rest of your errors for you to consider.
Joan, I already possess a Ph.D. You refer to the “emotionally laden” content of the Republican campaign. Let us lexamine both sides:
-the Democratic support for unproven “human” impact on global warming
-the lies told about Republican social security initiatives considered for only those born after 1950 which would allow a small amount of privte investment..let’s scare the elderly
-the threat to reproductive freedom (AKA the destruction of over 40,000,000 unborn Americans since Roe. Let’s keep the right to have sex with men whose children you do not want.
-the list is endless….
Bottom line; rhetoric aside, the choice is simple:
**A neophyte senator who is arguably a flaming socialist (whom does not wish his daughters punished with a baby for sleeping around) that has never put a single hair on his head on the line for his nation. OR an experienced, battle tested senator, with all his human flaws, that has nonetheless served his nation…asking little in return for all of his adult life.
Only the morally bankrupt and the intellectually dishonest in this nation can rationalize a vote for Barrack Obama.
My first take was the culture war we are experiencing is the cause. Palin is conservative and pro-life and the haters hate are for it. She is not only talking the talk but walking the talk. Perhaps this is oversimplified but it’s all the time I have to write at the moment.
Okay, so I have heard voices from the left disparage the “rubes” of Wasilla, not to mention the whole of Alaska; I’ve heard voices from the left rip on the religious beliefs of Sarah Palin; and I’ve heard voices on the left rip on Palin because she’s a mother pursuing a post in the government. These voices from the left that would tell you they’re the champions of the working person; they’re the champions of multiculturalism; and they are advocates of feminism. It boggles the mind.
Sarah Palin is more experienced than the top of the Dem ticket. Obama is associated with so many racists, anti-Americans, communists, and Chicago power-broker felons, it’s not funny. He’s been in session in the senate for 143 days. Somehow Palin’s experience is issue number one with the left and feminists are going after her with a vengeance. Inexperienced they say… I say they put ideology first and reason comes in a distant second (or third or fourth). Just like Lawrence Summers getting ripped for deviating from the feminist narrative at Harvard for positing an unpopular question. Summers was one of them-a liberal-just as Palin represents what the multicultural, feminist left has barked about for years-a strong woman doing what she wanted-but this is about doctrinal purity and rabid ideological partisanship. These are the people who would drink the kool-aid, reason be damned. Feminism is no longer about gender equality and women’s rights-it’s more like a cult than a movement.
“Feminism” is a nothing more than a bunch of women b*tching and moaning about not being treated equally while at the same time demanding to be treated better than men on the sole basis of them being a woman.
They are nothing more than a huge contradiction in terms!
I am an educated woman that is confident enough in the skills that I possess to know that if there is a position I want, I can and will work hard enough to make it happen. If that means I have to work 100 times harder than everyone else, men and women alike, than that’s what I’ll do!
Feminism is BULLSH*T and all REAL women know it! It is “emotional welfare” for women – asking for a handout because they aren’t strong and courageous enough to actually work for what they want.
A real woman does not have her respect handed to her just because she is a woman, she EARNS it – just like a man!
One reason Ms. Palin is hated by the left is because she sticks a crowbar in their claim that women are still being oppressed. All the organizations through which so many of these people have come to power, developed a public voice, and earn a very comfortable living by periodically stirring the ‘women are still being oppressed/victimized’ pot, are suddenly worried that their vacation in the Hamptons is in jeopardy.
The same with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. While Obama is the first biracial candidate to run for POTUS, they have remained silent. Why? He isn’t ‘black enough’. How can you claim the black population in America is still barred from success by racism if a newly-elected President has identified himself as a black man? How will Reverend Sharpton make his car payments? How will Jesse Jackson support his love child?
If you developed a comfortable living selling snake oil – and through propaganda caused a good part of the population to believe they could not live through a day without a big dose of what you have to sell….wouldn’t you do everything you could to discredit the fine young doctor who just moved into town?
It has little to do with what the doctor knows, sells or stands for and much more to do with what YOU have to lose.
Just a lady’s opinion….
Sarah writes:
“I am an educated woman that is confident enough in the skills that I possess to know that if there is a position I want, I can and will work hard enough to make it happen. If that means I have to work 100 times harder than everyone else, men and women alike, than that’s what I’ll do!”
..and probably are/will be respected more by men than those whiney feminists ever will be.
Lisa:
It’s manly to think logically and girly to think emotionally?
Absolutely. Just ask any “Women’s Studies” major.
“What is the right term for all the “feminists” who are trying to smear her, put her down and tell her she is not worthy? What is that called? At times, it gets pretty close to hate speech.”
They are called “bigots”.
“Women — and men who think like women — rule the liberal media and grant such emotion-based politics legitimacy.”
And the problem with this is…? As a womyn cursed with male plumbing by birth, I have an interesting perspective on this issue. Testosterone has produced the majority of the world’s problems – cowboy-like Presidents invading legitimate dictatorships, and upsetting our more genteel, metrosexual cousins in Europe. As a womyn (inside), I can say authoritatively that I know womyn and Sarah Palin is no womyn. She is a woman.
Also, that is why Obama was absolutely right in not choosing Hillary as is running mate. She seems all too dangerously womanish -like Thatcher, Meir, Rice. and others who have displayed the testosteronization of womyn (submitting to male culture.) Biden is not such a good choice either, but he’s funny. Harry reid, in my opinion is much more metrosexual, non/threatening and not cowboylike although he comes from Nevada.
They hate her because she is not a victim.
Liberals love being victims.
. . . I’m helpless . . .
Give me a break.
Quite frankly,
I can’t stand folks with a victim mentality.
I’ve even seen some “victims” who are Republicans.
And I can’t stand it.
I’m a female plaintiff’s employment lawyer with my own practice–and can’t abide liberals or folks with “victim” mentality. And believe me, I see lots of liberals and “victims” in my line of business.
And Governor Palin is no victim.
Heather, as evidence of that, my daughter was in a women’s studies class, and the prof was highly critical of Harriet Tubman, as a “violent” person who used guns. My jaw hit the floor. Harriet Tubman did what she had to do to oppose evil. That gets you tossed out of the sisterhood these days. It really is that bad. Harriet Tubman should be a feminist (and African-American) icon, but the agenda comes first. She’s more of an icon for the NRA these days.
That’s really sad.
Joan
Where you by any chance in Columbus in the women’s studies class with me? You’re making my point crystal clear. Get out of the echo chamber, start thinking for yourself. I can guarantee you’ll be a lot happier.
As someone who was being busily subjected to the same academic tripe some sixty miles west of Grabar in the early 90′s, I sympathize but don’t agree with her conclusions. Feminist scholarship — or the large part that is nine-tenths ideology — is certainly part of the post-modern problem. But I can’t buy the “feminization-of-discipline-as-source of the problem” argument.
First, the loss of stature of the Humanities is a different matter from the purported loss of status of composition teaching. Composition has always been treated like a secondary practice — less than a tenure-worthy enterprise. Writing teachers have always been paid less. They have always been primarily female. The expansion of composition studies at the post-secondary level has not a thing to do with ideological trends in the Humanities since the Sixties, except that certain social consequences of radicalism have led to greater need for remedial writing instruction for larger and larger swaths of college students. So there is a bigger pink-collar ghetto of grossly underpaid writing instructors, and nobody wants to acknowledge it, let alone spontaneously begin paying writing instructors appropriately for the time-consuming, difficult work that they do.
The sad fact that many of these instructors try to enhance their status in the crazy-farm of academia by playing literary theorist when they should be teaching writing is not the cause of the low status of their field.
Nor should the train-wreck of the Humanities be laid at the door of “feminization.” Many of the big men of theory were acting out of bullish self-illusions of masculine virility every bit as much as the formalists of the 1930′s were trying to make themselves invisible men to avoid Stalin’s wrath and the Beatniks of the 50′s were on the move to avoid ordinary adult-male responsibilities, and the list could go on and on, but all of these things are just random self-effacements.
Strangely enough, the “frontier-woman” prototype that Palin celebrates has probably gotten more airing in the academy thanks to discrete feminist scholarship than anything else. But that is also neither here nor there.
It took a village to bring the Humanities down — feminists included, but also hyper-masculinists of the Mailer stripe, race radicals of both genders, angry-man anti-Western ethnic and religious claimants, gender parlancers, and post-structuralists whose identifying traits can best be described as developmentally infantile. The decline of status of the literary arts is virtually all about coherence and intention, not who is speaking, in whatever voice. Loss of virility is not the problem.
That said, the abuse of Sarah Palin at the hands of allegedly feminist women is a new low. I think that what she has done wrong, by their lights, is not despise herself enough.
The morning after pill, when taken the morning after (hence the NAME) is contraception. Only when taken many days or a week or more after, would it work as a chemical abortion. And since it’s available over the counter, why would any woman, ever, need to wait any time at all? I dont get the pro-abortion stance of feminists. They seem to be claiming that women are so stupid, they can’t be expected to use birth control, or seek immediate help if they are raped, and so they need months and months and months to get around to handling their little problem.
Sarah Palin is what “feminists” wish they were. A smart, take no crap woman who is successful in love, family, and her career. I don’t need to publish whiny papers about sexism, I’m too busy working and raising a family. And so is she. And it’s be better for all women if every woman was so busy.
My stepdaughter graduated a few years ago with a degree in, you guessed it, English. Needless to say, she is quite liberal in her views. I have noticed, though, that despite what should have been a quality education, she is pathologically unable to participate in an argument (as in discussion, not as in yelling at each other). She NEVER seems to have any facts to support her side, raher, she either shuts off the discussion, or launches into ad homenim attacks irrelevant to the subject. It’s not that she’s not smart; it’s just that she was indoctrinated, not educated. Like Obama, she has never really encountered anything to challenge her worldview. People she respects told her “This is how it is,” and she won’t brook any argument to the contrary, evidence be damned.
I agree with the people who propose that Sarah Palin is hated by feminists because she didn’t have an abortion and she does have a husband, whom she obviously loves.
This is the source of the frothing, insane, jealous hatred of this woman. She didn’t kill her babies, she didn’t stuff her kids in day care to slave at a job, she didn’t have a series of failed relationships. They did. They hate her for this.
Recall the editor from “The Devil Wears Prada”, played by Meryl Streep. Utterly self absorbed and empty, the only time she shows humanity is when her marriage fails, again. These are the women who hate Sarah Palin. And perhaps they should turn the mirror on themselves and see who they need to despise.
I was talking to my favorite liberal friend, who was bemoaning the “patriarchal” and longing for a “matriarchal” society, when I pointed out that she had no idea what a matriarchal society was.
Feminists have a propensity to confuse biological dominance with societal dominance. Males are, in most mammalian species, dominant. They have a protective function in addition to the reproductive function. This biological dominance is what feminists seek to destroy–they have succeeded over the years in creating a matriarchal society.
What does a matriarchal society entail? Contrary to socialist cant, It is not a land of peaceful co-existence. Carthage, the ancient Kelts, pre-war Japan are all considered matriarchal. Sharia dominated Islam is matriarchal. Matriarchal societies may tolerate infanticide in some form, interpersonal violence, cannibalism, a disregard for the dignity of life. Laws are complex and contradictory. Sound familiar?
Santayana, in his “The Genteel Tradition at Bay” pointed out that America was trending towards a matriarchal society. This was in 1931.
Matriarchal societies are inherently unstable, and prone to destruction. Could it be that the Left’s appetite for chaos could be a symptom?
I think the real reason lefty feminists don’t like Sarah Palin is because she got where she is via a different path than that which is “acceptable” to most feminists. Feminists like highly educated, political protesting, flag-burners who get arrested for their beliefs. Sarah Palin is a mother of 5. She was on the PTA and city council. She became Mayor, then Governor. She did it step-by-step, on her own, working hard and serving the public for over a decade; without the help of some shrouded Saudi Arabian billionaire or Hollywood celebrities to finance her success. She fought her own party’s corruption against major odds. She is rural. She hunts. Her husband works on an oil rig, not in a law firm. To feminists, Sarah Palin is not a sister. She’s not one of them, so she has to be . . .what . . . a man? They’re so angry that she got to this point in national politics before their true sister, Hillary Clinton did.
As a lawyer, a woman, an atheist, a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Independent, I am proud to say that I think Sarah Palin is an incredible person. She loves her country, and I admire her. I may not agree with all of her beliefs, but I think she is a true reformer and has what it takes to be an effective VP.
SGT Ted: You’re right. Having graduated from an elite, east coast college and law school, I have to say that I’ve found most feminists are just that – bigots and reverse-discriminators whose weapon is gender, instead of race. When people in our country stop marveling at the accomplishments of women, that is when we will know they no longer see women as weaker than or “less” than men; that’s when women will be truly equal. I hope I live to see that day.
TO: Joan
RE: Allegations
Would you be so kind as to provide some substantial evidence about these allegations? I’d appreciate it as I’ve seen a LOT of lies being bandied about regarding the governor. And whenever I’ve asked for supporting documentation/evidence, it never seems to be forthcoming.
I hope you’ll be the first exception to that apparent rule.
URLs to reports from reliable sources would be excellent.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Prevaricator, n., a liar in the larval stage of development.]
P.S. For instance, even the other day a major daily newspaper in Boston repeated a proven lie about Governor Palin as if it were the truth.
[One person tells a lie and a thousand others repeat it as the Truth. -- Benjamin Franklin]
@SGT Ted:
“What is the right term for all the “feminists” who are trying to smear her, put her down and tell her she is not worthy? What is that called? At times, it gets pretty close to hate speech.” “They are called “bigots”.
The word “feminazi” also describes the mentality of the far left feminist movement.
Katy Beth,
How in the world can you claim misogyny in the Democratic Party? The Democratic party platform calls for equal pay, assistance for childcare, a woman’s reproductive rights and a woman’s right to privacy (the same given to men).
That’s a really odd thing to say for someone who rails at others for being in an “echo chamber.”
Chuck Pelto, when you get the URL pass it along. I’ve seen some of the interview footage, and quite honestly, I can’t tell if Palin is playing with the interviewer or not. Hyperbole can be intentional. She may only want to appear dumb. I frankly don’t know. Never assume anything especially with politicians. Their social IQ’s can be very high.Clearly higher than Joan’s since she dwells on points that in the vast scheme of things, don’t mean much. Personally I smell a set-up…bring on the debate…this is better than reality TV. (although I am not so arrogant to think I couldn’t be wrong)
KWeppins – if you really knew democrat men you’d know that for many if not most of them support “a woman’s reproductive rights” are just a necessary precondition for them to screw them without consequence. mysogynist enough for ya??
The Democrats are about equality for leftist women and socialism. Hence the call for assistance with childcare. Geraldine Ferraro is right: Obama is running a sexist campaign and wouldn’t be where he is today if he was white, given the leftwing dominance of the party and their fetishization of Negros as a victim class. yes, I said Negros, not African Americans.
Feminists hate Palin for one reason: She succeeded to achieve everything the feminists said a woman can and should achieve…and she did it completely in spite of the feminists’ agenda.
In other words, women can only succeed if they (insert nonsense here), and she succeeded without it. Therefore, the feminists’ agenda is a myth, a lie and completely outside the pale of reasonable discussion.
I like reading Dr. Grabar’s articles. They sure make for lively discussion! I think she comes to roughly the right answer, even if oftentimes one can drive a truck through the holes in her process.
The actual answer to the hate is much simpler: “If you catch a man with his hand in the cookie jar, he’ll hate you.”
For example, if you walk into an office supply closet, and you catch a guy obviously stealing supplies, Get out fast! Your life is in danger! (This stuff actually happens!) Even if you say nothing afterwards, he’ll still hate you, because you have him by the short and curlies. He feels threatened, and reacts with ferocity.
Radical feminism is based on victimhood. Gov. Palin exposes that false premise. She threatens to bring the whole movement down by her very existence. This threatens not just their power, but also their very identity. They respond with ferocity.
It’s just not complicated.
When I read about Sarah Palin, I think of my mother. A strong woman, grew up during the Great Depression, went to work as a teacher to save the family farm, always taught me that I could do whatever I wanted- and I have. She never let the fact that we were women enter into the discussion when talking about careers and life. That to me was what the women’s movement should have been about- equality is not looking in the mirror and saying “I am Woman”, but “I am strong, I am intelligent, and I will be the best person I can be.” I’ve never had a problem with men in the workplace, because I never used the fact I was a woman to get ahead or gain sympathy. I just did my job the best I could. That is what I think Gov. Palin has done, much to the dismay of “feminists” everywhere.
To McSame- There is no shame in attending more than 1 college- you’ve got to end up where you’re comfortable and the learning process is compatible, and where you can afford to go if you’re paying your own way or living on scholarships. It does show she has tenacity- she stuck it out and graduated where many did not. And I do not think the fellow graduates of the University of Idaho would agree with your assessment of their school as “some hick college”. “Ranked among the top national universities in the country (U.S. News & World Report) Also one of the best values in higher education (The Princeton Review)” from the UofI website.
And to Joan- your list has shown up on forums all over the net- stop plagerizing others and try thinking for yourself. And by the way, you can see Russia from Alaska on a clear day- the closest Alaskan island is only 23 miles from the Russian coast. You ought to visit and see for yourself.
Joan:
Sarah Palin is Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard in the same sense that POTUS is Commander in Chief of the armed services. I think everyone can figure that out.
When Sarah Palin said that she read “all” of the newspapers, I interpreted that to mean as many of them as she had time to read. I suggest to you that few people other than you took her statement literally.
It is increasingly likely that there is NO global warming; there may in fact be global cooling. If there is any long-term warming, it is due to variations in radiation from the sun, not from that portion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from man’s use of fossil fuels. There are no “solutions” to the output of the sun. Apparently your PhD is not in atmospheric science.
The morning-after pill is clearly used as contraception, just as are other forms of preventing birth on the market. This is true whether or not you believe that life begins at conception. Women who use the morning-after pill have no way to know whether or not conception has taken place.
In order to evaluate your integrity in giving truth and reason the weight that they deserve, I would like to see your equally detailed analysis of the public statements of Joe Biden. Be sure to conduct your analysis with the same attention to nit-picking and wordsmithing that you have used to “prove” that Sarah Palin is “a liar!”
Failing that, I am forced to conclude that your letter proves the point that Dr. Grabar has made: that the attacks on Sarah Palin have roots in ivory-tower intellectualism.
The hater Feminists hate Palin because she didn’t get the memo that she is supposed to be unhappy and oppressed in her marriage.
For Chuck Pelto:
My list is meant to point out instances both where Governor Palin has lied and instances where she shows an imperfect command of logical reasoning.
1) Governor Palin lied when she said she was involved in trade missions with the Russians.
In her interview with Katie Couric, which aired on September 25, 2008 (you can watch a video clip of the interview or use the transcript):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml
the following exchange took place:
Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia.
However, it turns out that Palin’s negotiating experience has mostly been with Canada, as pointed out by the Associated Press’ Martha Mendoza. You can find many sites with Mendoza’s article using Google, but you might want to try this link to Canada’s right-leaning “Globe and Mail:”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081001.wpalincanada1001/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20081001.wpalincanada1001
2) She lied about the depth of her involvement with the Alaska National Guard.
The McCain campaign has maintained that Palin has experience as a commander of the Alaska National Guard. While Governor Palin may be able to command the Alaska National Guard to take action within the state itself, she has never done so, clearly outlined in the following article posted to Yahoo News:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080903/pl_mcclatchy/3035478
3) She exaggerated the truth to the point of the ridiculous when she said she could see Russia from Alaska.
It is well-known that Governor Palin has argued that she has foreign policy experience based on her state’s proximity to Russia. (She has explained what she meant in the September 25, 2008 interview with Couric sighted above). CNN has taken her up on that point, uncovering that there is an island off the coast of Alaska from which it is possible to see Siberia, but that Governor Palin has never been a visitor there.
Many news agencies have covered this story:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=800326
or you can watch the original CNN report here:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/01/tuchman.palin.russia.cnn?iref=videosearch
4) She has made the ridiculous and impossible claim that she reads “all” the newspapers.
This comes from Palin’s September 30, 2008 interview with Palin. It would have been better for Governor Palin to name one newspaper or magazine than making the claim, impossible for any human being, that she reads “most” or “all” of them. The video clip and transcript can be found here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490618.shtml
Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?
Palin: I’ve read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.
Couric: What, specifically?
Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
5) Palin does not make the logical link between needing to understand what causes global warming and being able to find solutions to fix it.
This again comes from the September 30th interview on CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490618.shtml
Couric: What’s your position on global warming? Do you believe it’s man-made or not?
Palin: Well, we’re the only Arctic state, of course, Alaska. So we feel the impacts more than any other state, up there with the changes in climates. And certainly, it is apparent. We have erosion issues. And we have melting sea ice, of course. So, what I’ve done up there is form a sub-cabinet to focus solely on climate change. Understanding that it is real. And …
Couric: Is it man-made, though in your view?
Palin: You know there are – there are man’s activities that can be contributed to the issues that we’re dealing with now, these impacts. I’m not going to solely blame all of man’s activities on changes in climate. Because the world’s weather patterns are cyclical. And over history we have seen change there. But kind of doesn’t matter at this point, as we debate what caused it. The point is: it’s real; we need to do something about it.
If Governor Palin feels that “we need to do something about it [global warming],” then we first need to know what caused it (whether it be man-made or not) before we can know how to solve it. If global warming is not man-made and caused by cyclical changes in the world’s climate, this would call for the creation of very complicated technologies to stop it, rather than the curbing of certain human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels.
6) Palin referred to the morning-after-pill as “contraception”; something that would seem to be at odds with her pro-life stance.
This again comes from the September 30, 2008 interview on CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490618.shtml
Couric: Some people have credited the morning-after pill for decreasing the number of abortions. How do you feel about the morning-after pill?
Palin: Well, I am all for contraception. And I am all for preventative measures that are legal and save, and should be taken, but Katie, again, I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception. And I would like to see …
Couric: And so you don’t believe in the morning-after pill?
Palin: … I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world. And again, I haven’t spoken with anyone who disagrees with my position on that.
Couric: I’m sorry, I just want to ask you again. Do you not support or do you condone or condemn the morning-after pill.
Palin: Personally, and this isn’t McCain-Palin policy …
Couric: No, that’s OK, I’m just asking you.
Palin: But personally, I would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception.
Governor Palin states that she is pro-contraception. She has referred to the morning-after-pill as a form of contraception. But she is not in favor of the morning after pill. Therefore, she should choose her words and terms more carefully. For example, she could have easily said that she does not view the morning-after pill as a form of contraception.
Now a question for Chuck Pelto:
You say:
“P.S. For instance, even the other day a major daily newspaper in Boston repeated a proven lie about Governor Palin as if it were the truth.”
Could you give some of the specifics of that? Which paper and which proven lie?
For beemer:
Since all this is easily found on the internet, why is Chuck asking me for all the URLs?
SARAH said:
Feminism is BULLSH*T and all REAL women know it! It is “emotional welfare” for women – asking for a handout because they aren’t strong and courageous enough to actually work for what they want.
A real woman does not have her respect handed to her just because she is a woman, she EARNS it – just like a man!
This Sara says: DITTO!
Both my Grandmothers had advanced degrees earned around the turn of the 20 century, one from U. of Pennsylvania, one from Berkeley. My Mother had two Masters and a Ph.D from Berkely earned in the early 1930s (in economics, sociology, and personnel). All of them were on the front lines of women’s issues of their day. My Grandmothers for suffrage, my Mother for a fair shake in the workplace beginning in the late 1930s. I was on the front lines of the liberation movement of the ’70s, but we weren’t working for reproductive rights (whatever that really means), we were working for parity in the workplace and a fair credit law so that our income would be considered, freeing us to have charge accounts, buy cars, buy life insurance, buy homes in our own name without a husband signing for us. We accomplished both, then woke up one day to find out that somehow we had become 2nd class citizens who needed special treatment, not fair treatment, but a special status. That is not what my Grandmothers, my Mother, or I worked for. We didn’t ask to be made victims, we were leaders, not victims. We didn’t want women to be victims, but to have a chance to be independent in their own right, in their own name.
Sarah Palin’s life much more reflects what my Grandmothers and my Mother and I worked so hard to achieve. Oh and BTW, strong men appreciate strong independent women who challenge them. They like a woman who knows how to speak to them on their level as one of the boys. Strong women know that to accept the feminist agenda requires them to lower their status to be equal so that touchy feely men do not feel threatened. To really have equality and respect, a woman must be able to take on the alpha males and win. Holding down the beta males and females might make them feel good, but it isn’t going to get you a seat at the real tables of power and influence which society as a whole expects to be occupied by the alphas among us.
Liar Liar Pants on Fire,
Calling people names in school is one thing. Doing it as an adult is just immature and impractical. I don’t understand why Democrats are always so angry, why many Democrats continually resort to personal attacks, on opponents and do nothing more than lie, smear, and defame their opposition. It is a sad thing to watch. No more Democrats in power. Enough is Enough!
Wow. So much anti-intellectualism in one place. Since when did an education become such a sin? Can you not tolerate a difference of opinion without labeling it “character assassination”?
A pleasure to read so much good sense displayed in this article and the honest “talk turkey” (for once) comments.Especially after a hard and miserable day reading the MSM and its lapdog followers in the European Press . I thank my lucky star that I cant see the US TV crap shows from Europe or see Obama’s vile Videos or hear his inane rhetoric.
All this makes me weep for Americans who have been defamed,manipulated & bamboozled for so long by the bogus intellectual bigotry of Academia ,the traitorous deceit of Marxist saboteurs & the vicious imbecilic ravings of the Feminist crapshooters -for so damned long!.
If the real Americans would just stand up and sweep their Augean stables clean of these miscreant worms America will once more be the lodestar for all the world.
TO: Joan
RE: Reciprocation
HERE ya go.
Enjoy,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ll be checking out this wealth of information you’ve graciously provided……back tomorrow…..
Matt H,
Sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but what you ask is beyond their capacity to deliver. I’m afraid you’ll have to get used to it.
The Left is comprised of perpetual adolescents and characterized by a refusal to grow up and accept responsibility. It’s just the way it is.
Matt, Democrats are angry? Do you see some of the posts in this and other PM threads? You watch Palin stumble like a brain-dead high school student and this elevates her in your opinion. That’s pretty scary. You sheep say ignorance is a virtue in Washington. Ignorance of political schemes, maybe, but ignorance of history, facts, geopolitical turmoil, economic theory? uh no. Plus if you’re being impartial it’s obvious she dissembles like any good politician. She’s certainly different…a dope, but different. By your logic, we should put a retarded illiterate in office who has never been to Washington and thinks the Constitution is “just a piece of paper”. Oh wait..you already did that with Dummy Bush. Give competence a chance, please.
Leftism has subverted and corrupted feminism just as it has subverted and corrupted the universities.
Neither my older daughter, a Phd. candidate in Ancient Near East Studies at Harvard nor her younger sister, then an undergraduate majoring in Mathematics at Carnegie Mellon were offended by Lawrence Summers inquiry about women in mathematics when he made it.
My older daughter recognized that Summers’ question was honest, thoughtful and well intentioned. His record on women’s issues was unimpeachable. His improvements in child care for offspring of Harvard faculty was a boon for faculty women balancing family and career. My younger daughter who was the lone female in half-a-dozen of her math classes and a distinct minority in others was at least as curious about the subject as Summers.
The hysterical, over-the-top “feminist” reaction to Summers was typically reflexive leftist suppression of honest criticism and inquiry. I would suspect that MIT’s supersensitive and holier-than-thou Nancy Hopkins is as orthodox and inflexible a scientist as she is a feminist. In the Soviet Union, orthodox scientists kept restricted American publications like Popular Science and Popular Mechanics in safes while pursuing studies in Lamarckian genetics and extra sensory perception.
Palin frustrates and infuriates orthodox feminists because she succeeded without wearing her feminism on her sleeve or storming male barricades. She has a career to die for, a hunk for a husband, a passel of kids and effortlessly elicits the respect of men. And no thanks to orthodox leftist feminism. Small wonder they’re jealous.
Then there are the thirty-five million tragically single and unattached women of America. For many of these sad ladies, a feminist is a woman with a career and a cat. Palin is a sty in their eye. For the lesbians prominent in some of the mainline feminist organizations the ideal is two women and a cat. Men are oppressors; mothers are breeders; feminism and children are mutually exclusive.
Normal American women balancing career and family and shepherding their daughters through college into satisfying careers and marriages of their own look upon Sarah Palin as a kindred spirit and healthy role model.
Someone75:
Wow. So much anti-intellectualism in one place. Since when did an education become such a sin? Can you not tolerate a difference of opinion without labeling it “character assassination”?
When it stopped being education and started becoming indoctrination.
An education should teach a student how to think, not what to think. Our elite universities are very good at producing Stepford graduates who cloak themselves in their elitism so they can validate themselves.
TO: Joan
RE: Why Ask?
Because, we’re, ALL OF US, rather busy. If someone knows of a ‘fact’ or ‘report’, they should be polite enough to share it.
And, in ALL debates, if someone offers an argument, THEY are expected to provide the evidence to back it up. Case in point, in a court of law, evidence is provided by the side that has it. They don’t tell the other side, let alone the judge and/or jury, to “Go out and find it for yourself.” The same is true in the scientific community. You make a claim. You back it up by providing your evidence.
Hope that helps….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[There is nothing like first-hand evidence. -- Sherlock Holmes]
In the UK we’ve been through all this with Margaret Thatcher. Instead of being delighted at the first woman Prime Minister, the general consensus among left-wing feminists was that she was, in some mysterious way, not a real woman.
Mary Grabar is falling into the same trap though. If Sarah Palin “thinks logically” it is because she thinks “like a man”. Conversely, if Obama and other men think emotionally, it is because they are thinking “like a woman”.
Mary Grabar herself – and her PhD – are mysteriously exempt from this illogical woman thing that afflicts the rest of her sex.
Hey, boys, look at her – she’s not like the others. It’s working, too. It worked for Heather – college girls are sluts – Mac Donald, but Mary Grabar should not be sinking to that level.
Gov. Palin is the ultimate woman,and the liberal elitist women are doing what they do, fighting dirty.
KWeppins
Sorry I didn’t get back sooner, had to work. Anyway, after the slam Obama gave Hilary, are you serious? The magical middle finger to “scratch his head” while talking about her, the “sweetie” comment to the female reporter? I don’t find that cute, or funny. I find it insulting.
Katy Beth said: Now, to me that smacked of a reverse discrimination. And that is what Sarah Palin is dealing with everyday, nasty discrimination and outright misogyny.
You hit the nail on the head Katy Beth, I like the way you think (I also started college late in life and was awfully happy I did a lot of online classes and didn’t have to spend much time on campus or I might have had to kill someone
Unfortunately all the “outright misogyny” is coming from the “man hating women” who are teaching young women and men to also hate men, especially white men, because in their eyes they are the evil patriarchal scum of the earth.
Back in the mid 1990′s I had a friend who came to me in confidence about his situation at home. His wife was verbally, emotionally and physically abusive towards him and he didn’t know what to do. He couldn’t leave easily because he had told no one else, he had no where to go and no money (she direct deposited his paycheck into her account) and she told him if he did he would never see his children again.
I did some research on the subject of domestic violence services and found nothing for him. All the places I called said, “we don’t help men,” code for “we don’t help abusers only victims and everyone knows that women are victims and men are abusers.” My friend’s situation and learning about how one sided our governmental services for victims of domestic violence were inspired me to found a non profit http://www.dahmw.org
What an uphill battle! But people I speak with rarely say men are victims? anymore…most see the problem.
Sure we are proving the need – we have discovered that without question a significant number of men in relationships with abusive women need support, counseling, advocacy and depending on their financial situation (working or disabled) even shelter but we are the only national unfunded resource in the country that specializes in working with men (and their children) in these situations. So getting any of the funding earmarked for services for violence against women is nearly impossible.
And before you snicker about men being beaten up by their much smaller female partners (as many that don’t understand do) just think about this; you are in a relationship with a woman full of rage and anger, you have two children together and she throws things at you, punches, kicks (in the most painful area you can kick a guy), bites you etc. You call the cops, she says you scare her and she was only defending herself…you go to jail OR you protect yourself by pushing her away and she falls and hits her head…you go to jail OR she purposely bangs her head on a hard surface until it bleeds and when the cops come she says you did it…you go to jail. Hitting women and/or protecting yourself in domestic situations is not really an option for men in most parts of the country because battered women’s advocates have made sure that the police, the courts and the laws are on the side of the victim/woman.
I am really proud to be a “Palin feminist” and I hope one day abused men will not be treated like abusers and liars as they are now by most of the over 2000 shelter programs that house only women victims. I have seen tiny changes over the years and am hoping that more changes are to come.
“What the feminists hate is that, on the job, Palin is one of the boys.”
absolutely. and that she IS pretty to boot. they can’t handle the combination of the two.
just finished having a similar conversation with a friend about an hour ago. women go first into a quiet, defensive mode and then ultimately a vicious attack mode. Via curt body language and snipy (not “snippy”) verbal cues. Maybe out of overcompensation when another female is perceived as pretty, beautiful, smart, accomplished, what have you.
tru-u-u-st me.
TO: Will Becker
RE: Indeed
Get a load of THIS!
You can’t make this s— up.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I’m beginning to come around to the idea that was mentioned in RE:’s first comment in this thread (above).
[Neighbor: One we are required to love, but does their utmost to make us disobedient.]
P.P.S. The link also provides ANOTHER item of evidence supporting what I was describing to Joan about Ben Franklin’s comment.
These people are worse that stupid, like RE: commented (above).
There’s no doubt that the Leftists hate Palin in an irrational, violent way, but their loathing seems to be based clearly on Palin’s pro-life stance. Grabar complicates the matter needlessly, and fails to give Palin proper credit for her staunch pro-life policies, by dragging in a rather confused, and confusing, anti-intellectual populism.
Education is indoctrination? What percentage of patent holders do you think graduated from a top 50 university? Those sheep gave you the technology you covet and world class management that’s been driving corporate America. Yup, keep on believing the crap Rush tells you. I wonder why David’s kids didn’t go to Oral Roberts University…weird huh?
David, would you consider yourself a single-issue Israel voter? Just curious. I’ve enjoyed your posts, appreciate and agree with much of what you’ve said. By the way, Dr. Summers is an advisor to…Senator Obama.
KWeppins:
If you think Democrats are for equal pay, then would you be so kind as to explain to me why in Obama’s own campaign, men are paid more than women for the same work? Thanks. While you’re at it, you might be interested to know that women make more than men in McCain’s camp.
“There’s no doubt that the Leftists hate Palin in an irrational, violent way, but their loathing seems to be based clearly on Palin’s pro-life stance.”
Nina, let me put your mind at ease. Most independents, liberals and rational humans despise her for her lack of intellectual firepower, for insulting the women on either side that have real ability. By the way, I think Palin’s probably a good person, the kind of person who would pick up your kids in a pinch and offer to volunteer at a school function. I really do think she’s a well intentioned person who loves her country. BUT, she’s not bright. PERIOD. It’s not verbal gaffes; it’s an incurious nature an inability to think creatively and an inability to answer questions in a straightforward manner. It’s not the fact that she’s anti-choice.
I will give credit where credit is due. I have yet to see the PM faithful extend any courtesy to Obama. If you replace Obama with McCain on this site, you would be screaming about how the posters are hatemongering, blind-to-the-facts elites.
Meanwhile, congress just slammed a pork filled stimulus package that will only transfer wealth and allocate resources to lesser options. I hope Johnny McCain is making people famous. There’s nothing stopping him, right?
It isn’t really complicated why the Leftist elites hate this woman. She is not one of them, and she is a threat to the ideology they have so successfully embedded into our culture and our educational establishment: cultural Marxism. The success of their Gramscian “long march through the institutions” convinces them that the mantle of leadership is rightly theirs. She is a threat to everything they believe in.
RE also stated it well. They are just rotten people. I’m not saying all the people on the Left are rotten. I used to be one of them many years ago and I’m not a rotten person. Like everyone, I have my flaws, but I was raised by parents and a Church which nurtured the sense that we owe other human beings respect and love (and loving another person does not mean “Eros” – it means agapic love, which is what every human being is owed, even those we dislike, even our enemies). These narcissists do not love other human beings. They talk a big game about “social justice” and class warfare, but at root the most ambitious and obstreperous ones are rotten people. Most do not give to charity. Most envy those who have more than they do. And a lot of these people see no contradiction whatsoever between their commitment to socialism and, for some, their affluent lifestyles. None of them take a vow of poverty.
And they hate Sarah because she has a real life and has lived a real life. Plus, hate and envy are habits of theirs.
HRPIdiot:
“What percentage of patent holders do you think graduated from a top 50 university?”
(Whoops, double post.)
HRPIdiot:
“What percentage of patent holders do you think graduated from a top 50 university?”
And what percentage of those holders picked a worthless, jingo-laden humanities degree, and how many got a REAL degree in hard science?
Mathematicians and Engineers skew to the right, FYI…
this feminist CEO Republican likes Sarah Palin. stop generalizing. the idiots that criticize her unfairly are the confused leftists, not all feminists. some of us are strict constitutionalists!
JeffR, please give me some backup on the math and engineer claim. As a math guy, working in venture that has not been my experience, but my sampling may be flawed. I’m not saying you’re wrong, it would be great to see some data on that claim though. I don’t have data on the patent thing other than knowing that IBM and Google had pretty high patent rates and I know where they recruit. Also, I know those shops lean more libertarian and are pretty anti-Bush.
What percentage of patent holders got humanities degrees? I dunno but I think it might be small.
HRPIdiot
“Most independents, liberals and rational humans despise her for her lack of intellectual firepower, for insulting the women on either side that have real ability. By the way, I think Palin’s probably a good person, the kind of person who would pick up your kids in a pinch and offer to volunteer at a school function.”
Well of course you do…as you would think of all conservatives. Maybe you would also consider she would do in a pinch when the Morelocks come to get… your lunch.
You don’t have to be an academic to be worried about Sarah Palin.
TO: Joan
RE: Background Info
On the one hand, I’m not a big fan of the reliability and accuracy of CBS news. Nor NBC nor many others of their ilk. Especially when I saw one of their talking heads tell an outright lie during the RNC Convention last August.
On the other hand, you use the term ‘lie’ rather loosely. The definition is to deliberately misrepresent information, as in the NBC talking head who said that President Bush was NOT going to address the RNC Convention that night. Then three breaths later said the President would be talking to the convention attendees by satellite. The talking head’s first statement was, by definition, a ‘lie’.
On the third hand, I’m a great fan of logic. Indeed, I judge logic every year in a series of tournaments, culminating in my state’s qualifications for national-level competition.
Now, let’s see what we can see vis-a-vis your allegations:
RE: Allegation #1: Governor Palin Lied about Russian Trade Missions
Let me comment that we do have a lot of trade missions with the Russians. And I would not be surprised to hear that representatives from Alaska participate in such. Indeed, my state sends trade missions to other countries. Are you suggesting that Palin’s statement, “ We have trade missions back and forth, we do,” was a lie? That Alaska does not exchange trade missions with the Russians?
There’s nothing in the statement you cite that indicates she lied about participating in such missions. All she said is that there are trade missions. Where does she say she was ‘involved’ with such? Or that she was a ‘negotiator’? I don’t see it here, vis-a-vis the Russians.
However, let’s look at her statement from another perspective. That of governor.
I would think that a governor who was sending off a trade mission to a foreign country MIGHT be INVOLVED with the selection and/or approval of such a mission. And they might also be INVOLVED with developing/approving the trade mission’s objectives. That seems like being INVOLVED. Which is what she said in your quoted material.
Then again, if a trade mission from a foreign country as powerful as Russia, were to come to US, I wouldn’t put it past a governor to visit with the delegates. That would constitute being “INVOLVED” too.
As for the direct negotiations that you say Governor Palin was INVOLVED in with Canada. That’s interesting. How many such has Senator Obama been INVOLVED with?
So we can see, if you understand ‘logic’ AND English, based on your report, she did not lie as you allege regarding item #1 in your list-o-lies.
More to follow, as I’ve decided to take on each of your allegations as a separate item.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. If all your allegations are as insubstantial as this….and I have reason to suspect they are…..you’re just going to be another example of someone telling lies…..
TO: Joan
RE: Allegation #2: Governor Palin Lied about Russian Trade Missions
I should hope to God that she has NEVER had to “command the Alaska National Guard to take action within the state itself”.
Cripes, lady! Do you know what it MEANS to have to order a state National Guard to take action? It’s either a RIOT, think Watts, or a NATURAL DISASTER, think Katrina, has occurred. And I’ve not heard of either such a problem occurring there that would required their activation and deployment.
For over ten years, I worked with State Area Commands (STARCs)—state-level National Guard headquarters—of the 14 states that make up the western third of the 48 contiguous. I was part of a team of officers and men who helped them prepare for a time when their governor or the president commands them to take action, within or without their state boundary. I think I know a few things about their capabilities, limitations, responsibilities and how they interact with civilian authorities.
If you want an example of a well prepared state National Guard, I recommend looking closely at Oregon. Last time my team exercised them for an 8.3-level earthquake, they were HIGHLY impressive. And their governor was a player, consulted for a possible eruption of Mount Hood and a radiation leak in the then active Trojan nuclear power plant west of Portland.
On the other hand, you want to look at a REAL LIFE DISASTER. Look at Katrina, where the hapless former Governor Blanco (D-LA) let her primary National Guard formation, a mechanized-infantry heavy independent brigade, be deployed to Iraq during the hurricane season; the time of year when said formation might come in VERY HANDY.
And you think this item you cited is a BIG LIE????!?!?!?! I tell you the truth, it is NOT A LIE. And the people who say it is a ‘lie’ are either ‘ignorant’ or much, much worse.
Please. Try not to be so stupid. Learn more about what your talking about. Otherwise, you look either (1) ignorant or (2) much, much worse.
Allegation #2—as with the previous allegation—shot to hell.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Were this an actual tagline, you would see amusing mottos, disclaimers, a zillion net addresses, or edifying philisophical statements. This is only a test.]
TO: All
RE: ERRATA!
Where I said, “And you think this item you cited is a BIG LIE????!?!?!?! I tell you the truth, it is NOT A LIE. And the people who say it is a ‘lie’ are either ‘ignorant’ or much, much worse.”
It SHOULD READ as follows:
And you think this item you cited is PROOF of HER TELLING a BIG LIE????!?!?!?! I tell you the truth, SHE did NOT LIE. Nor did the McCain campaign. And the people who say SHE DID ‘lie’ are either ‘ignorant’ or much, much worse.
Sorry about that. I haven’t had any coffee yet….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[There's too much blood in my caffiene system.]
TO: Joan
RE: Additional Thoughts….
….on the Governor Palin’s responsibilities vis-a-vis the National Guard.
She IS their commander-in-chief. It’s in the state constitution like that.
Because of that she can, for good or ill, order them into action, within whatever limits the Alaskan State Constitution and the legislative and judicial branch of Alaska allow.
Furthermore, she is responsible for approval of the Alaskan National Guard budget for operations, training, procurements, salary and a myriad other aspects.
Additionally, she has a singularly interesting responsibility, in as much as the Alaskan National Guard has, last time I heard, a battalion of Patriot missiles on FULL-TIME ACTIVE DUTY. Three guesses as to WHY. Look to their WEST. In other words, she has her own state-level version of NORAD going on.
Tell me….
….what sort of experience of this sort has Senator Obama had?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The best defense against logic is stupidity.]
P.S. I left out that as the Command-in-Chief of the Alaskan National Guard, SHE selects the Alaskan State Adjutant General and has to get his appointment approved by the Alaskan State Senate. This is the state-level equivalent of the president selecting and getting approval of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
TO: Joan
RE: Allegation #3: Governor Palin Lied about Seeing Russia from Alaska
Again, there seems to be a serious problem with understanding (1) logic AND/OR (2) English.
If you are on little Little Diomede Island off the west coast of Alaska you “COULD SEE” Russia’s Big Diomede Island which is only 2.5 miles away.
Just because you ‘COULD SEE’ someplace from another doesn’t mean you’ve been there. Based on your statement and a better understanding of English, once again, Governor Palin is not telling a ‘Lie’.
As for foreign policy experience, being separated from the 48 contiguous states by one country and having a common border with one of our most dangerous enemies, I do believe that the governor of Alaska SHOULD be more aware of foreign policy and international relations than say….the governor of Arkansas. So Governor Palin has had much more experience, at the executive level, with international relations than Bill Clinton had as governor of THAT state. [Note: If Arkansas had any trade missions from other countries, I imagine HIS 'involvement' would have amounted to only negotiating his way into the panties of any of the cuter members. And that amounted to what he would call 'international relations' experience.]
Therefore—logically—if your complaint about foreign policy experience against Governor Palin is ‘valid’, then Bill Clinton should never have been elected as President of the United States. And, therefore, Senator Obama, who has had NO SUCH EXECUTIVE LEVEL EXPERIENCE shouldn’t be either.
You’re 0 for 3. I’m working on the others.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Oh what tangled webs they weave, when they practice to deceive.]
TO: Joan
RE: Allegation #4: Governor Palin Lied about Reading Newspapers
You REALLY do seem to have had a problem with logic and English in this entire post. In this instance, you seem to have problems comprehending the phrase “….all of them, any of them that have been in front of me…”
You seem to be taking the “all of them” without the following phrase of “any of them that have been in front of me” into account. Why is that? Are you learning from Dowd? Refining her technique of taking thinks out of context?
By the way, I do believe that Governor Palin’s staff provide her with her morning reading requirements. Probably a folder of news items that relate to all the matters she, and her chief of staff, have determined are important for her to be aware of. So she probably reads a LOT more than you or I do when it comes to newspapers and magazines. And, considering her common border with Canada and Russia, she most certainly reads more than Bill Clinton ever did as governor of Arkansas.
Personally, I’m not a big fan of the old-media for reliable news and information. I find the web a much more accurate source of reliable, factual material.
That’s 0 for 4.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I hate newspapermen. They come in and pick up their rumors and print them as facts. -- William Tecumseh Sherman]
P.S. And it looks like you’ve fallen prey to their reports.
TO: Joan
RE: Allegation #5: Governor Palin vs. ‘Global Warming’
So. Tell US, Joan. What is causing ‘Global Warming’?
I’ve got reports on file of the Martian ice-caps retreating. I’ve got reports of Jupiter’s atmosphere becoming more turbulent. I’ve got a report that Pluto has DEVELOPED an atmosphere.
What could be causing all of these interplanetary environmental changes? You tell ME. And then tell me what technology we need to develop to save ourselves and the other planets.
By the way, has this sort of thing happened before?
Did you know that in the late Dark Ages, that the average global temperature was several degrees WARMER than it is today? They were able to grow MORE FOOD because of the longer growing season. And that the mini-Ice Age that began in the early 13th Century resulted in the popular development of glass in windows. This from reading James Burke’s Connections. Sorry, there isn’t a link to that. It’s a book in my library.
Heck, about ten years ago, they discovered a 206 year solar cycle that correlates with the (1) collapse of the Mayan civilization, (2) the disappearance of the Anasazi and (3) the Dust Bowl of the 1930s. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear there are other solar cycles.
So, it’s pretty obvious that there are strange and ill-understood changes in the global environment. And that research IS necessary. Or would you rather we dashed off and did something that we had no idea whether or not it would deal with the problem? Waste trillions of dollars?
Personally, I’m not overly excited about this, as my readings indicate we’ve been through this sort of thing before, albeit not in my lifetime. And we’ve survived. It just calls for being ‘flexible’; adapting to the changes as they come.
Where I live, a semi-arid environment, we’re getting MORE water than we used to. And although that may change NEXT YEAR, for all I know, I’m capable of dealing with such changes. And if it gets too hot for anyone here, why haven’t you been writing your Congressional delegation about getting us OFF THIS BALL O DIRT?
Then again, what has Senator Obama suggested about ‘global warming’? Does he know what causes it? ALL OF IT? Does HE, in his infinite Oneness, have an answer on how to deal with it?
Five down….and out. One to go. Stay tuned…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Big Rock cometh.]
P.S. More likely, the Cosmic Spit-Ball, a.k.a., a comet. Think Shoemaker-Levi 9 coming to Earth instead of Jupiter. Had anyone of those fragments hit Earth and it’d be Lucifer’s Hammer for real.
TO: Joan
RE: Allegation #6: Governor Palin vs. the Morning-After Pill
That RE: title is reminiscent of some 50s grade-B scifi horror flick. The soundtrack from Attack of the Killer Tomatoes comes to mind. Something akin to a very young Michael Jackson singing Puberty Love…..in falsetto.
I see no ‘contradiction’ here. To anyone who understands English, she said, “I would not choose to participate in that kind [the morning-after pill] of contraception.” That’s pretty obvious to me.
Why it isn’t to you bears inspection.
RE: In Conclusion
NONE of your allegations, stands up to scrutiny, if one understands English and has a good idea of how to exercise logic.
All you have done here, for whatever reason, is misconscrew everything that the governor has said.
You are 0 for 6, Joan. Just as I initially suspected when you trotted all these false allegations out for our consideration. You’re just another, albeit very much appreciated, example of the inept and perhaps much worse comportment that has been described by so many others here.
Thanks for playing….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
P.S. And these people keep ripping and tearing at it.
In his comment above, RE: Is correct. These people. These liars are a bane on all human society.
To DonB71InWA:
Thank you for that BRILLIANT insight. I rarely comment but am prompted to as I really appreciate your sharing an analysis that I will certainly take and think over.
I think you really have something with the idea that such a strong reaction against Palin are because of a psychologically painful recoil by people who have chosen abortion because it seemed like the logical choice, was better for them physically, and it looked more appealing to their careers/lifestyles (women or the men who were with them Gen 3:6).
I have been thinking for awhile about the link between guilt and political choices and wanted to thank you for your contribution.
Shawn
HRPIdiot:
Sorry to hear Summers supports Obama. But I’m not surprised. Many fine people who should have much better sense are.
In answer to your question, no, I’m not a single issue Israel voter. But if I was certain a candidate was hostile to the Jewish state I wouldn’t vote for him. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism are one and the same and I don’t vote for bigots.
Ha, well played David. Strictly speaking, anti-zionism is a rejection of the Jewish homeland while anti-semitism, in my opinion, seems much more sinister.
They are not one in the same, but I catch your drift and certainly agree (investing in Israeli venture) that we need to protect that oasis of civilization. Congratulations on having raised two thoughtful and smart daughters and I hope you’ll come to your senses
. The left is not all about political correctness. I believe it’s roots are skepticism and that’s a healthy start in politics, no?
Take care
To McSame:
Let’s see now … Abe Lincoln had no College degree(EARNED A LAW DEGREE BY CANDLE LIGHT IN A LOG CABIN ) and is listed as the One of the Top Three Presidents ever .HARDLY A LIBERAL BUT A REPUBLICAN .
Albert Einstein dropped out of The 8 Th. grade in Germany and gave us the String Theory (BLACK HOLE ) ….. the greatest find in Science ever .
Al Gore quite College in the Ministery at Vandy in TENN .as a Soph. …. the left’s hero .Who never had a Class in College on Weather Patterns and is now a EXPERT on Climate Control 100 years from now …… You tree huggers love .He also invented the Enter Net need we forget .
John Kerry is a elite and a damn fool and could not Win and election Following Clinton great 8 years yet Bush 41 did following Reagan . HE also voted for the war before he voted against the war after again he voted for the War .HE also said the only people who serve in the Military are not very smart . John Kennedy served in the Navy ……Washington ran out COUNTRY and our Founding War .Ike ? President and WW 2 fame .
Oboma doesn’t know there 50 States not 57 . He also voted against the War he says over and over … But he wasn’t in Congress in 2002 .
He said that higher Taxes didn’t hurt the Economy, Job Growth or the GDP ….. Charles Gibson of ABC news had to correct him .Duh ! So much for racial Socialist economics or lack there of .That is what Karl Marx would have said as well .
He said on the George Sthepnolopis sunday show that He was of The Moslem Faith ….. George S. said you mean the Christian Faith don’t you …. He said Yea ? …he AH AHH AHHH AHHHHHH’ED us to death .
Biden (law degree )says that FDR went on TV after the Depression and told America what too do .
There was no TV back then and Herbert Hoover was the President .
Bush has a higher IQ ……Tom Brokaw told John Kerry and Al Gore and had a Grade average than did Gore or Kerry .What did Kerry think of that ? He was blow away ….. A Jet pilot has to have a 130 IQ MR KERRY …..A Navy Off. 120 .JUST FOR THE RECORD .
Clinton was a Rhoads Sch . Law degree and a reported 161 IQ and didn’t know a BJ was Sex AT 56 years old .
And Bush is the First President with a MBA from Havard and grad degree from YALE ….. LIBERAL PARADISES .
So your Elite Moronic point is ? You comments were a Joke .
Me ? 6 year ReCon Marine ….. Two Tours in Nam ….. No College and Ran Sealy Posturepedia of Canada and am Sam Moore the famous International Furniture Designer and FABRIC colorist….. you ….. Your a Fool but a very good one I might ad and have the Common sense of Michael Moore and PARIS HYLTON COMBINED .
To Joan: I said your list was on the internet at various sites, but like yours gave no links or urls to back up the claims. They like you had no valid ways to back up those statements.
Kudos, Chuck Pelto- you saved the rest of us a lot of time.
Re: global warming. As recently as 15,000 years ago by some estimates, much of North America was covered in glaciers. So who should we blame for the global warming in that they don’t exist anymore? Or what about the inland seas that used to exist in the Midwest? Whose fault is it that they don’t exist anymore either? The simple fact is that Global Warming is nature doing what nature has always done- evolve, change, all without our help. We can make our place in the world more liveable by recycling, etc. but we can no more change nature than we can alter our orbit around the sun.
Only liberal feminists hate Palin. Real feminists support strong, successful women like Governor Palin. I can only conclude that liberal feminists are not real feminists, but they are real liberals. Personally, I admire Governor Palin although I disagree with much of her politics.
As someone with strong roots in a middle of nowhere small town, and someone who spent half my childhood north of the 60th parallel, I actually adore Sarah Palin. She is so like the women I grew up with – strong, capable, and straightforward. Those are the kind of women who have always been around, and are always up for whatever challenge is put in front of them but they’re rarely, if ever in the spotlight and we take them for granted. I knew she was up for the job after hearing her speak for 5 minutes.
As a feminist, I can never support the “One.” As a moderate Democrat, my rallying cry, along with many other moderate women is “No thanks, Sweetie. Keep the Change.” Us Clinton Democrats watched in disgust as the One’s minions and even the One himself gleefully applied the most vile misogynist tactics of the right wingnut scumbags against our candidate. It was unforgiveable.
This campaign is making for strange bedfellows indeed. I find myself committed to voting for a conservative for the first time ever. Governor Palin isn’t the reason, but I’m confident she’ll do just fine as VP, even as President. Also, I appreciated it so much when she mentioned personal responsibility last night. When was the last time we heard that from a politician?
So the left has its roots in skepticism…
If only they’d exercise it re BO’s character and fitness to serve as a public official.
TO: Believer
RE: No….
….the ‘left’ has its roots in atheism: nurtured in angst and watered with ennui.
This is their ‘god’. And they dare not question ‘him’, for he is a ‘jealous’ god.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Evil has many tools, but a lie is the handle that fits them all.]
TO: beemer
RE: Joan
There’s a saying in my taglines about a lack of supporting evidence equating to a ‘conspiracy’. I’m just glad Joan provided more of an argument supporting her position than the cretins along the lines of nick, Javelin and a number of other forgetables I’ve encountered here.
RE: Kudos?
You’re welcome. I just wish that Joan learned something useful about the information she’s ‘peddling’.
A friend of the family recently sent an e-mail to the distaff repeating other already disproven lies about Palin. The ‘banned books’ one. The distaff replied to HER with along the lines I addressed Joan. The friend was totally flabbergasted that a once reliable source had been so badly snookered and sucked her in as well.
She learned the truth of the matter and is a better person for it. I would that Joan would be the same.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[You shall know the Truth. And the Truth shall set you free. -- some Wag, around 2000 years ago]
HRPIdiot – How do you know she lacks intellectual firepower and a lack of intellectual curiosity?
Here’s my read on her. I see a normal young woman from a harsh, provincial land. She has learned to: hunt; fish commercially; pilot a boat; drive a snowmachine; play a good game of hoops and hockey; play the flute. All this before she graduated H.S. Are these not skills? Can you do these things?
She worked her way through college, changing colleges to be closer to loved ones. Came in 2nd in AK’s 1984 beauty contest. Has a major in broadcast journalism, and a minor in PoliSci. Her Dad couldn’t afford a wedding, nor could she and Todd, so they eloped.
She worked as a sports broadcaster. She helped run their fishing business and worked alongside her husband on their fishing boat (very hard work). She learned to fly. She got into the PTA. She coached hockey. She became a city councilwoman, thus beginning to learn about government. She became mayor. She reduced taxes. She got earmarks to build town infrastructure and grew the town by 50% (fastest-growing town in AK).
Lost a bid for Lt. Governor after she was term-limited out of her mayorship. Invested in various enterprises and properties. Stayed out of debt. Got appointed to Ethics board. She could’ve treated it as a no-show job. Instead, she poured into learning the field of oil and gas development and also learning about government contracts and other larger scale politics.
When she became Governor, she had to learn an awful lot in an awful hurry. Yes, she did have to learn about the military responsibility. There’s a reason she has such a high security clearance. AK is frontline national Nuclear Defense. She is now the head of the National Governors association on Energy (or whatever it’s called). She even once gave a 20-minute extemporaneous speech to them on energy, them being the Governors of the country.
Still think she’s not bright and has an incurious mind?
You fell for the MSM meme of her lack of foreign affairs knowledge disqualifying her for the job of VP. Tell me, was your mind curious enough to find out the truth for yourself?
Feminists don’t like Sarah Palin because they are used to getting rewarded for CRYING about it, while she simply stepped up and did what she needed to do to get ahead! My mother (not a feminist at all) taught me that I could do anything I set my mind to, without crying about it and without demanding what I didn’t deserve. She was right, and so is Sarah Palin.
Hi, Chuck Pelto –
Bravo! To your handling of HRPIdiot’s false assertion — and my reaction to it.
…promoted women’s ways of thinking, based on emotion and consensus, as superior to the old patriarchal mode of logic and independence
That thinking seems at odds with “ivory tower intellectualism”
When you listen to (or read) Gloria Steinem (or even Sally Quinn)on the put down of Sarah Palin, you could almost say their positions are traditional “cattiness” disguised as deep thought.
Women couldn’t take a joke or even offer a coherent counter argument when they insisted Larry Summers step down as President of Harvard for his observations on differences in the male and female brains.
Today’s version of the XX people is like a tedious hothouse flower. Boring, chips on their shoulders.
Sarah Palin is a fresh Gardenia and p!sses them off.
TO: Joan
RE: Another Example….
…of why I don’t care much for information provided by the so-called ‘major media’….
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-obama-not.html?cid=133374979#comment-133374979
Scroll down and read the idiocy being espoused in most of the comments there. Think of ‘birds’….’feathers’….and ‘flocks’….
TO: My Comrades-in-Arms, Here
You’re welcome to join the ‘disabuse’, if you’ve got a mind for it.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Who cares who wins. As long as it's a good puncher. -- unofficial motto of the British SAS]
Sarah Palin has managed to succeed without having to file a lawsuit, accuse anyone of sexual harrassment, obtain a degree in women’s studies, or pressure a company into hiring her instead of a better qualified man. She doesn’t hate men or consider herself oppressed. She has almost certainly never seen “The Vagina Monologues.” In other words, she makes a lie out of everything movement feminists believe. And being over-emotional, bitter creatures, their attacks on Palin focus on her womanhood.
I am quite disappointed in Palin’s debate performance. Worse she is dangerous, but in a nicely delivered way. The devil incarnate.
– She made me feel good when she said, “I told Congress, thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere” in 2008. But the devil is in the details… In October 2006, when asked, “Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”, she answered: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now – while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.” (Source: Anchorage Daily News)
– She sounded sincere when she said she can see Russia from Alaska. (Fact: you can’t)
– She sounded sincere when she said she has national defense experience because Russian plans fly over Alaskan airspace. (Fact: not true)
– In 1996 Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so. According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. (Source: Anchorage Daily News)
– Palin’s unwilling to grant abortions induced by rape is drastically at odds with public opinion — even among many Republicans. The devil in the details… Interestingly she supports the death penalty. Is life sacred or not? Do we want our laws to reflect these sorts of radical views?
– Palin describes the war in Iraq as “a task from god” and the proposed gas pipeline in Alaska as “God’s will”. (Source: Wasilla Assembly of God Church). Do we want our leaders with a finger on the button believing that they are acting in the name of God or Allah?
– Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… (Source: US Const., Amend. 1)
– She has called for the teaching of creationism in public schools.
– During the debate she didn’t answer the questions asked.
Overall my view of Sarah Palin is that she is not prepared to lead the country and clings to a dangerous belief system. Further, she is prone to lying and can do it in a deceitful way that many people don’t recognize at first. At first Hitler was seen by his people as a saviour. The Taliban was viewed well initially in Afghanistan. Sarah Palin is a likable religous extremist.
John McCain Supporter – Whom do you think you’re fooling? You claim to support McCain, but then spew outdated Dem talking points! God, but Libs are stupid.
TO: [So-Called] John McCain Supporter
RE: Palin a Liar?
Prove your point, please. Cite a lie and provide the evidence supporting you claim.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[A lack of any evidence is evidence of a 'conspiracy'.]
TO: Marc Malone, et al.
RE: [So-Called] John McCain Supporter
Yeah. He claims Palin lies, but his own lie is so bald-faced it’s incredible.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.]
Chuck – I sure like your quotes. Do you have these all written down somewhere? Great stuff.
Suzanne Pomeranz:
Your mother is a smart woman and now you’ve benefited by taking her advice. Do all young women a favor and pass it on to them.
Well, I’m a single, atheist, pro-choice, PhD student in the humanities, woman… and I love Palin, and will enthusiastically be voting McCain/Palin. (And not at all because she’s a woman, though that’s a nice bonus.)
Frankly, I find this article’s argument somewhat muddled. I certainly share the sentiment– disgust at the present state of academia (not to mention the anti-Palin rage). But I find the diagnosis– that the corruption of intellectual standards is due to the influx of women into academia (and other positions of power)– wrong and seriously misleading. You (rightly) critique some of the pernicious habits of thought of academic feminism, but seem to fall precisely into one of the worst false binaries (thinking like a man vs. thinking like a woman). To blame women as a gender (and the way they think/feel) for the problems of academia, is not much better than saying women shouldn’t be getting into politics, for precisely the same reason. Let’s let the Palin-bashers be the misogynists; they’re doing such a good job of it.
I don’t think of Palin and e.g. Thatcher as acting/thinking “like men”– I see them as remarkable women, very much women, but more importantly, admirable, strong-willed and strong-headed, human beings. Your argument risks playing into the hands of those who say Palin is “not a real woman” (like those who say Condi Rice is “not really black”)– though I realize the purpose of your argument is precisely in opposition to theirs.
As for the problems of academia (or intellectuals as a class), the issue is not about men and women. As someone in the thick of it, I can tell you, it has much more to do with the intellectual dominance of Marxism– as the main interpretive prism through which the majority of academics (at least in the humanities) understand history, economics, international relations, the state of the world, the war, America… and those evil, benighted, conservative Republicans. It’s the rife politicization of the academy (like much of the arts), its doctrinaire leftism, that has led to the present rot.
I actually don’t think many of them hate Palin for her difference or otherness, but rather (paradoxically) her closeness. They hate her because she’s not an old white man (their picture of “Republican”). They’re so freaked out by her, that they must put her at a more comfortable distance, *make* her into something completely other: a book-banning, evolution-denying, anti-contraception freak-monster (all falsehoods & distortions peddled about her). She’s Republican, which (for them) makes her automatically evil and/or stupid, but a Republican in *that* package– a strong, brave, tough, smart, funny, charismatic, kick-ass, principled, sexy woman–must be like an image of Satan: unfathomable evil in a too-seductive package. (It’s because she’s so seductive, or likable, that they must posit all the more evil & stupidity hidden inside her.) She’s scary, because this is not the face– or the face they’re used to– of the Republican party.
By the way, I don’t deny that there may be psychological differences (statistically) in the way men and women think, process information, frame arguments etc. (in ways I find complementary, not opposed)– but that doesn’t invalidate the standards of logic and reason, for both men and women.
It’s not about her being a woman. It’s about her being unqualified.
Just because you and I disagree on issues enough to lead us to support different candidates, Grabar, does not mean I am a rotten person. Despite your muddled and confusing article, I would not call you one. Instead I would try to understand where you are coming from, and why you think the way you do.
Perhaps you should do the same.
TO: Marc Malone
RE: [OT] Taglines & Quotations
They come from a database I developed 13 years ago. There are close to 10,000 of them.
I use them for numerous activities. It used to be a random one that I’d attach to an outbound e-mail inside my business group in USWest to announce the release of pages for production of a telephone directory. [Note: One feminist caused a bit of a kerfuffle over a citation from Dr. Sigmund Freud, "I've studied abnormal behavior for years and I STILL don't understand women.".]
Nowadays, in these blog comments, I look for one that hammers a point home.
Glad to hear you enjoy them.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Keep up the good fight….
….we’re all excited.
TO: Kathleen
RE: HOW….
….is Palin ‘unqualified’?
I do believe that she is far better qualified than Senator Obama is for the presidency.
But explain to me the key points of your understanding. Then we can talk about them.
What makes her ‘unqualified’? Specifically?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I Think....therefore I'm OVER QUALIFIED!!!!!!!!!]
Oh, guys,
In Europe feminists are on the side of MUSLIM TRADITION to MAKE women ware scurfs
Also feminists support MUSLIM ARRANGED MARRIAGES
FEMINIST just work against West
they were always build in the soviet system of propaganda and receive instructions from the same sources THAT NEVER DISAPPEARED)))
kabud,
I think the Soviet Union got the post WWII recrudescence of Islamic jihad kick started in order to use them as proxies against the West. Yasir Arafat’s terrorists were trained in Eastern Europe and financed by the Soviet Union. So, mating Islamic jihad terrorism and ideology with their sponsored Leftist feminist groups makes strategic sense. I think the relationship has endured to this day.
>mating Islamic jihad terrorism and ideology with their sponsored Leftist feminist groups makes strategic sense
this was good)) but go figure))) ITS A FACT!
IMO women who pretend that their vitrolic bashing of Gov Palin is due to her lack of qualifications or her supposed lies are either lying to themselves or think others will believe their lies.
The reaction of the feminist crowd was immediate and disgusting. As a relative unknown enough wasn’t known about her political history to justify the kneejerk criticisms she got. If the reaction was based on anything logical it wouldn’t have been so personal, so “mean girl” petty.
I could accept that someone may think her qualifications for VP are thin – just as I think Obama’s qualification for POTUS are equally as thin. However most of those who don’t support Obama have not suggested that his daughters are illegitimate, that he is an embarrassment to his race, that he should have dropped his campaign in favor of a more qualified candidate.
For some reason feminists loved the Clinton – a small state governor with no foreign policy experience. And they continued to love him after he so clearly was outed as a womanizing slime ball even while some faulted Hillary for sticking by him.
Women are their own worst enemies – the hateful reaction of women to Palin gives support to male thinking that women shouldn’t be trusted in positions of power because they can’t separate their emotions from reason.
I was thrilled to hear the President of the Los Angeles chapter of NOW, a lifelong pro-choice Democrat, praise Sarah Palin when she introduced her at a campaign rally and say, “This is what a feminist looks like.” Sarah Palin is a credit to accomplished working moms everywhere. The Katie Couric interview was a travesty. Would Couric have asked Joe Biden what newspapers and magazines he reads to keep up with world events? The question was insulting and clearly a trap Palin was smart to avoid (whatever newspapers or magazines she mentioned would be held against her, either alienating her from her base or the liberal elitists). I am sick of the media’s monolithic campaign to elect Barack Obama and their vicious attempt to destroy Sarah Palin in the process. They hate her because her authenticity, charisma, Reaganesque or Kennedyesque (whichever you prefer)ability to communicate, and success in bringing billions into Alaska’s coffers and returning $1200 to each resident represents a threat to Obama’s phony campaign built on raised taxes and bombastic rhetoric. I’m a lifelong Democrat , but I’m voting for Palin and the guy running with her.
Feminists do not like Sarah Palin because she has no substance, and the whole point of feminism is that women have just as much substance as male counterparts. She fails to answer questions that everyone knows McCain can answer, and the only sentences she can put together on the spot are garbled party lines. I get that she’s a gun-toting hockey mom, and I get why that’s a respected ideal to many Americans, but the bottom line is that she has failed to express real thoughts on real issues. The Couric interview was a travesty, and Couric was on the offensive, but McCain and Obama hold their ground when attacked, and still are able to say smart things. She utterly failed to say smart things, and while yes, academic types tend to put more stock in “smart” things, I as a woman expect nothing less from female or male leaders.
Feminists do not like Palin because she is an embarrassment. She fails to exhibit the skills of a political leader, and blames it on being just a regular joe-6-pack mom. She fails to do what politicians are supposed to do (i.e., speak like knowledgeable people), and yet many women support her in their misguided sense of solidarity. She is not comparable to Thatcher, she didn’t make it on her own, she was chosen because she was a woman, to pick up all the Hillary-votes that Obama dropped. I firmly believed that people were able to recognize the difference between substance and a pretty face that winks a lot, but now I’m not so sure. I guess people really are happy with mediocrity, even women.
Mary: excellent article.
DonB71InWA: WOW! Fanatastic analysis and I believe right on the money. Makes a lot of sense to me.
Palin kills wolves from planes….see defenders of wildlife video at their website. Sorry McCain, can’t vote for someone who advocates cruelty to animals. To kill them to survive is one thing but to shoot them for fun is terrible even to hunters.