Why Catholics (Stupidly) Support Obama
The booing and then chants of “Yes, we can!” by graduates of the nation’s premier Catholic university in response to a protester’s shout of “Abortion is murder!” during President Obama’s commencement address sent a chill through me.
The president of Notre Dame rationalized inviting a speaker upholding — and in effect promoting — what the Church defines as murder. On the other hand, Bishop John M. D’Arcy protested the invitation with 70 other bishops and refused to attend the commencement. But his remarks, like a lay group’s open letter to Obama, revealed tunnel vision on the evil represented by his election.
It emanates from the changes in the Church. The change in style from high liturgy to the whiny adolescent voice accompanying the plucking of the guitar string of the new folk mass in the 1960s was accompanied by the change in content, reduced to a one-note protest against abortion. Perhaps that is why Obama received 54% of the Catholic vote.
Obama’s faux hip style would likely appeal to those who go for today’s kumbaya forms of worship, such as the holding of hands during the “Lord’s Prayer” in many masses. Or the priest I heard in Holley, New York, who had come off the altar and into the aisle to talk in a confidential, folksy manner to the congregation who looked like they had just stopped into mass between their other activities that required no more sartorial effort than stepping into a pair of jeans. In the flattering soft tones that Flannery O’Connor would have zinged, he went on about the “Father, Son, and Mother Spirit.” To my horror, he explained this new feminine conception to the approving nods of the congregation’s Eves.
In many homilies, the themes of “social justice” and multiculturalism echo the lessons of the classroom. Rare is the Sunday when a priest does not caution his parishioners about the evils of “prejudice” — directed of course only at the white people who make up the overwhelming majority of the congregation. Like Julian of Flannery O’Connor’s short story “Everything That Rises Must Converge,” they salve their consciences through superficial displays of “tolerance.” In this way, the Church promotes people as groups, not individuals.
And yet the Church expects her young to condemn a leader — who comes from the dark-skinned group they have been taught to uphold — on the basis of one issue: abortion. Is it any wonder then that those at the commencement applauded Obama’s statement that both sides can “join hands in a common effort” on abortion? Why fault 22-year-olds who have grown up in a religious tradition that says very little, if anything, about the increasing power of the state? Does the Church say much about other violations to personal freedom, like the seizure of business, the breaking of contracts, and the breaking of promises about campaign funds and informing the public about legislation? The coming rationing of government health care? The ridicule of those who “cling” to their “religion”?
Most Catholics fell for the con job that John F. Kennedy was the first American Catholic president. The reality is that he was virtually contemptuous of that faith community’s values. Kennedy received support from secular leftists like John Kenneth Galbraith and Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. because they knew full well he took his Catholicism with a huge grain of salt. If Kennedy had genuinely embraced the Catholic faith—he would have never been elected president! The left-wingers who dominated the Democratic Party during that era would have gutted his campaign before it ever got off the ground. Traditional thinking Catholics, Protestants and Jews usually must become Uncle Toms if they have any chance of major political success. As matter of fact, I can hardly think of any exceptions to the general rule.
The politically naive John Courtney Murray thought that the United States was something of a religious center right country. He most assuredly didn’t think there was a snowball’s chance in hell that abortion would be legalized by the early 1970s. Alas, Murray was a very gullible man. It never dawned on him that his church/state theories would be used to rationalize away the surrender of Catholics to the demands of the pro-abortionist crowd. Murray unwittingly gave respectability to Catholic Uncle Tomism. The disgraceful behavior of perhaps the majority of Notre Dame’s faculty and students last week was merely a cruel reminder of how far things have deteriorated.
I am a Catholic. I believe abortion is nothing more than legal infanticide.
Why do you think the only clergy to condemn the invitation of Obama, were the 71 Bishops, and the only priests who were arrested at the protest were the gray headed ones? Today’s youthful priests just aren’t what they used to be. The Catholic clergy today is as dumbed down as the rest of Catholic populace, they too, have been brainwashed. If you speak off the record to any of the older priests and senior clergy, most will quietly tell you that the rules have been greatly relaxed for recruitment reasons. They also live in fear of sermons which might be viewed in any way as politically slanted. Of course, the biggest taboo is any sermon touching on the rule of law regarding illegal immigration. To mention anything about that is an even greater sin than preaching about the sins of abortion.
So we now have what I call ‘Sunshine Catholics’. To be a real Catholic is hard, but it’s easy to adapt the feel good Sunshine version of the new PC Catholic Catechism. There is no hell anymore, only peace, love and brotherhood.
Why is anyone surprised at what happened at Notre Dame?
Many call themselves Catholic but their beliefs point to agnostic.
It is true that catholics are christian-lite kind of people, but the bottom line is one and only. The fear to be called racist. This is what got the retarded in chief elected. Nothing else. Stop being obsessed with political correctess. How long he’s going to have a free pass on anything just because he’s black. How many other white candidates would have survived a scandal involving 20 year permanence in a racist church?
A majority of Catholics easily betrayed their faith because they were enticed by a few measly pieces of government entitlement silver; it appears that protecting life in the womb was lost to universal health care and free mortgage payments.
When one worships government entitlement silver more than the Creator one is likely to abandon all faith in God.
Well done Mary. During the weeks leading up to the Notre Dame debacle not one word was spoken during any of the homilies that were said at the Masses that I attended.
Never is their a word spoken to either pray for, or assist in any manner the genocide and persecution of Christians in Muslim countries. NEVER!
Meanwhile the slaughter continues along with the violence and abuses. Don’t look for Obama to bring this up in Cairo.
We are asked to give to Catholic charity organizations only upon research to discover that this money is available to aid only non whites such as blacks, illegal immigrants and yes even Muslims. No whites need apply regardless of need.
Sad to say, liberalism has infected the Church.
Catholics who voted for Obama, according to the Vatican, and knew of his stand on abortion and infanticide are accomplices along with Obama to this evil. Some of the infants that Obama fought to have them left to die unattended actually have birth and death certificates.
None of these voters are permitted to receive Communion, this would include Father Jenkins, until they confess their complicity to this evil and their intention to no longer give this support with their vote.
Unfortunately they are rarely if ever reminded about this, as they should be, at Mass. Its mostly never. They do know however that abortion and infanticide are intrinsically evil and choose to ignore it.
They are still effectively outside of the Church.
Obama accomplished his mission at Notre Dame. His was to create a wedge among the Catholic community in the US. It is already festering and initially comprises the younger catholic crowd, the i-pod, twitter, constant-messaging crowd, of the “yes, we can” cries. A master at the politics of divide-and-conquer, this is not the first time he accomplishes such a task.
Catholics have a problem. Their pope goes to Israel and makes political statements. Even this conservative man who truly hates abortion feeds on his political power and influence diluting his moral authority. Catholic teaching and doctrine has a lot of power but Catholic practice is 2000 years of cumulative corruption, dissolution and decay.
Obama carried 54% of the Catholic vote only because he got 80% of the Hispanic vote. Ironically Hispanics are much more faithful to the Church’s teachings then the Anglo community. Why did they vote for Obama? Easy answer: They fell for the “pro-Life” Obama lie.
9 st jerry of virginia . . . I think you got it backward . . . Hispanics voted for Obama because they DIDN’T believe the “he wants to kill babies and throw them in trash cans” lie of the right wing media.
They support Obama because they’re Catholics in name only (CINO).
A society that believes in nothing will
eventually become nothing. Western societies
respond to military attacks but ignore
cultural decay.
The end result is societal collapse or a
dictatorship or both. The Neo-Flower society
will eventually find their “liberal values”
leaves them very naked in the real world.
The Obamists look sort of like the ordinary
idiots who carried little red books in the
PRC. Now they either beg or work for nothing
in a sweatshop for their masters.
President Obama claims to be a Christian, but abortion is clearly not a policy endorsed by Jesus Christ. Through out the bible it is clear that God Himself is the creator who designs the child in the womb. Catholics also profess to believe but clearly deny the very teachings they claim they hold to. Jesus Christ says that if you love Him, you will obey His teachings. So here we have a President, a College and followers who believe, but do not love the Christ they believe in enough to follow what He teaches. And those who do follow are considered fundamentalists…How ironic, but in reality they are the true believers and make hypocrites out of the rest.
I work in a small hospital system in NC. Last week a woman was seen in our OB department wearing an Obama t-shirt that had a pro-life pin attached. When she was asked if she knew the President’s position on abortion, she said he was also pro-life. But then she said she got her information from the TV news…
SheesH;
I can never figure out if people like you are actually stupid enough to believe the lies you put out or are payed by to come out and run interference for the empty suit in the White House. I tend to think that you are the former because nobody would be dumb enough to pay you you for your air-headed thoughts.
Obama’s position on the issue are clear and documented. He supports abortion at all times and under all circumstances including throwing babies that survive “botched” abortions in the trash can.
sheesh: Obama has never wanted “to kill babies and throw them in trash cans”. He’s perfectly content to allow a baby, that was born due to a “failed” abortion, to simply lie on a table in a dark room until it dies.
The only good part about this is that when ObamaCare begins to euthanize the elderly, as a cost cutting measure, you’ll be shipped off to the death camp along with me.
People in my grandparents generation really used to believe in and live more closely aligned to the teachings of the bible. Now, religion has become more of a membership-based recreational event much like joining a tennis club or a gym. I doubt that even half of those who identify themselves as Catholic have a moral problem with abortion when it really comes down to it. The Catholics voted for Obama because they, like him, don’t really believe nor follow what Catholicism means, they just have a membership in its’ club.
I am reminded of the verse in Isaiah5:20 which says:Woe to those who call evil good and good evil”…..
American Catholics have choosen a benign form of faith. The struggle to live God’s message has been coopted by expediency. Catholics are more concerned with “belonging to the greater society” than being a beacon of light in the dark permissive culture of narcissism. When the choice is between Christ or a comfortable life – I am saddened to say that the majority would choose today’s comforts rather than the life of the soul after death. Robust, energetic Catholic faith is dying in North America.
Roman Catholicism is an institution of men. Thus it can change and evolve (devolve) over time. The Church of Jesus Christ is all believers of all time. The Body of Christ. Not a confabulation of paganism, greek philosophy and roman politics with some Jesus thrown in dreamed up in the fourth century.
If The Messiah had decreed a single organization as His Body on earth He would not have addressed separate letters to the churches of Asia in The Revelation Given to St. John. The Church Fathers writing in the second century confirmed The Scriptures and both together show us just what is and is not sound doctrine including church structure.
So, no surprise catholics are slipping away at such an astounding rate.
It seems to me the Catholic church is dead…
The current Pope is not a leader, he is simply a figurehead in a white robe. His pronouncements mean nothing, he stands for nothing, except maybe condoms in Africa…
What principle, or, what great belief does the Church stand on?? None. It’s own people don’t know what it means to be Catholic…ask some, you’ll not get the same answer…
How can a person follow something that stands for nothing.???
Where is the standing for God and His Laws??
The Church has become a social club, as so many of the commentators above have stated.
The speech by Obama at Notre Dame, is just another nail in the coffin of a dying organization..
Jesus would probably not be a Catholic in today’s world and would probably be ashamed of those who call themselves one…..
THIS IS WHAT OBAMA SUPPORTS:
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/
And Americans who believe in Catholicism and the Catholic Church, should never support honoring this man at any function except perhaps the National Association of Butchers.
“The president of Notre Dame rationalized inviting a speaker upholding — and in effect promoting — what the Church defines as murder.”
It is not just what the Church defines as murder. It is what IS murder. Even science supports this view.
This seems like a small point to make, but it’s important. If we don’t make it, it’s easy for the child-murder advocates (or as the MSM and our culture calls them, “abortion rights supporters”) to dismiss us as religious nuts.
Let’s please not ignore that Ms. Grabar runs a blogsite named “The Other White People”. Go visit & look around. Obviously a completely anti-Obama website. Just another wingnut as far as I’m concerned.
Perhaps the Catholic Church’s stance on contraception should be examined. Are Catholics who practice aritificial conraception as guilty of murder as the pro-choice Catholics? I wonder. . .
Obama is an extreme abortion activist and Catholics who support him are not really Catholics. They are just taking up space in my church. I am sooooo tired of these pseudo Catholics like the Kennedy family promoting infanticide and pretending to be Catholics. I am glad the Bishops are finally finding a back bone, however they are too late to save the lives of millions of innocent victims.
God will be judging those who promote abortion and real Catholics can just try to stop as many abortions as possible. By the way how about the Health and Human Services Director who supports Tiller the Killer. I really want her making health decisions for me.
Pro abortion Catholics think it is all about them but it is really all about the baby.
The message isn’t watered down everywhere, I am pleased to report. Virtually everywhere in the Diocese of Arlington (Virginia), you can get the real deal on any given Sunday. This is especially the case when clicking here:
http://tallguyav.com/stjhomilies.html
If you want to hear one in particular where words are not minced, click here:
http://tallguyav.com/stjhomilies/090118.homily.mp3
As for this remark: “The Church Fathers writing in the second century confirmed The Scriptures…” It was the end of the THIRD century before the “Church Fathers” could formally agree on all the books of the New Testament. It was only because the Church was established by Christ Himself, that such an agreement could be reached at all.
10. sheesh:
9 st jerry of virginia . . . I think you got it backward . . . Hispanics voted for Obama because they DIDN’T believe the “he wants to kill babies and throw them in trash cans” lie of the right wing media.
May 26, 2009 – 6:44 am
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No, JerryofVA and TubBoatPhil have it just right. Instead of spewing your hateful opinions, try to stick to the facts. You’ll have to dig for them, though – his propaganda wing in the MSM don’t like to research his career, for fear of finding out what his critics all know.
His work in the Illinois General Assembly clearly exposes a series of unconscionable votes against the protection of infants born alive during abortions. He literally voted to allow doctors to toss these living babies onto a shelf to let them die. Our courts consistently recognize this medical neglect as “killing” the children. Obama lied about his votes until it was irrefutably demonstrated that he was lying.
Why do “Catholics” support Obama? Because too many years of “peace and justice” priests -dissident theologians – planned anti-catechesis, catachesis, Marxist atheist liberation theology, homosexually allowed seminarys, an anti-authority, post Vatican II mentality, secularized worldly centered orders, weak or sympathetic bishops, have all combined to take their toll upon sheep confused by the lure of a hedonistic culture and the destruction of all morality.
The clergy too often have lost their fervency of faith, having swappped it for the illusion of heaven here on earth through leftist atheistic politics.
Catholic academia is now far more academia than it is Catholic, and this fact should be borne in mind.
It was Obama’s victory to have his paid Pharisees invite him to speak his apologia for his views on abortion, the willing sacrifice of human children, at a university named for the Holy Virgin Mother.
Seems like the abomination of desolation to me.
And Revelation 13:5 tells us that this will run for half of seven years, which is about all that Obama has left in his term.
(“There was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and power was given to him to continue forty and two months.”).
Mary gets my vote for the pharisees of the year!
Mary Garbar also touts white supremacy. Is that part of Catholic teaching? As a devout Catholic from a catholic family – I would say no. Garbar has no credibility to represent Catholicism.
OK, yet another “the Church sucks” screed from a faux traditionalist. But the fact is, folks like Grabar are little more than the mirror opposites of the progressives she attacks.
18.farmgirl….Yes. I’ve thought of that frequently in the past few months.
When JFK was elected, there was a similar “momentum” among the rank and file dems as what we saw in 2008: “You’ve GOT to vote for him to PROVE that you WILL vote for a black”…with JFK it among Protestant dems it was “You’ve GOT to vote for him to PROVE that you WILL vote for a Catholic.”
And any objector to JKF was immediately accused of being anti-Catholic.
It would be nice if we could have an election aimed at providing mature, tested and sensible leadership for the United States of America instead of having to use each election as an exercise to prove which minority group we aren’t opposed to this year.
He is SO in over his head. We are SO toast.
My previously stated fear holds: if we don’t pull off something amazing in the 2010 election (if we can hang on that long) the United States of America will be just a memory.
Shame on silent Democrats in office if they don’t start defending the Constitution of the United States of America.
Good article, Mary. Although not Catholic, I alluded to some of the same things in my blog “Just askin’ – Just sayin’” at: http://ja-js.blogtownhall.com. My short article is entitled: Notre Shame’s Abortion Hypocrisy.
Four or my children are ND grads and they are 3rd generation ND. Our entire family totally opposed Obama’s being given an honorary degree, and feel that Fr. Jenkins did not go far enough on Notre Dame’s opposition to abortion, and then totally showed how “in awe” he is of the “Messiah” Obama when he talked about all the incredible accomplishments he has had for peace and justice and all the other nonsense that is the liberal line. The man has actually accomplished very little in his life, unless you consider a community organizer a job any more uplifting than being a union thug. However, the students did not chant “yes we can”. Rather, they drowned out the heckler with “We are..ND, we are…ND”, a chant they also use at football games. People who were in attendance seem to agree that at least one third of the crowd sat on their hands. We have been proud of Notre Dame for many reasons over the years…..our daughter and sons received a wonderful education, met many great friends (and spouses in some cases), and strengthed their Catholic beliefs. We were however, embarrassed and appalled that they gave Obama the podium for such total hypocrisy as saying we need to meet in the middle, when his entire background shows him to be as extreme left as any nationally elected official in the history of our country on the life issue.
“Mary Garbar also touts white supremacy.”
Huh? What are you talking about? Could you possibly provide examples of this alleged racism?
YOU CAN NOT BE CATHOLIC AND BE PRO-ABORTION. CASE CLOSE. GOD
no they cannot provide, as well they don’t possess the intellectual honesty (robert hurley is totally devoid) to admit that their golden child obama stayed in a black suprematist church for 20 years.
Leftism is a mental disease/mental malfunction and cannot accept logic, so for those people racism is bad when performed by whites, but good when performed by blacks, latinos etc.
It’s their own psychological malfunction that produces this kind of reasoning, that’s why debating with them is a total waste of time.
To sheesh (#10): You really don’t need to do much to find out that Obama has always been a big advocate of abortion on demand. But instead, you chose to do nothing to learn the truth and to just blame the “right wing media”. Your post was a joke and a complete waste of time!
to David #36
Just visit her blog at:
http://www.theotherwhitepeople.com/origin.html
Also, doesn’t the phrase “leader — who comes from the dark-skinned group they have been taught to uphold —” give you pause?
Mary, you hit the nail on the head. The church in America is not what our Lord had in mind. The so called catholics (little c because they are not catholics)turned away from the face of God for worshipping the god of government. Shame on Kmiec and others like him. When they face the Lord and He asks them: Why did you sign the death warrants on my little lambs? What will they answer then, oh we won the election and ignored your way.
The other thing we Christians should remember, God does allow leaders such as Obama into power to get our attention. We need to focus on Him and get others to turn away from this new found king. To those of you that support abortion and vote for politicians that support it, I hope that you hear the cries of those millions lost to this insanity, while you sleep.
Well said, Mary. I left the Catholic Church after 50 years because it became impossible to ignore the fact that they were much more interested in being politically correct than in following the teachings of Jesus Christ. I didn’t leave the faith, however, but have found a Christian church where they actually put Christ first. So sad what’s happened to Catholicism…
Maybe certain institutions that are part of a religious organization which is beginning to realize that its moral authority is seriously subverted by the almost daily revelations of the scope of the abuse and violence perpetrated by many of its priests and lay organization members towards children and women (what some have called institutional pedophilia) are beginning to realize that change is needed. Maybe Notre Dame University is beginning to realize that cultivated rational thinking cannot continue to sustain excuses for the contradictions and hypocrisy perpetrated by so many leaders of its religious faith. Oh, and Mary, I suspect you would fall over yourself if Notre Dame offered you a tenure stream position, a type of employment your current credentials, and rated student performance are likely to never invite.
36. David Thomson:
“Mary Garbar also touts white supremacy.”
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“Huh? What are you talking about? Could you possibly provide examples of this alleged racism?”
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I have no idea where that B.S. came from either. Here’s her website and from what she writes on her ‘origin’ page, it doesn’t sound racist in the least.
http://www.theotherwhitepeople.com/origin.html
In case you don’t recognize it, this is the Laodicean church (Rev 3:14-22).
“to David #36
Just visit her blog at:
http://www.theotherwhitepeople.com/origin.html
Also, doesn’t the phrase “leader — who comes from the dark-skinned group they have been taught to uphold —” give you pause?”
You need to get an education. I am stunned that you believe the name of this blog is a proof of racism. The odds are that you are another example of the shabby education received at many of modern day academic institutions. You are truly embarrassing yourself.
Yes, many Catholics voted for Obama, but not because they are pro-abortion. They believed in what the mainstream media told them, and what the media omitted was any coverage of Obama’s radical pro-abortion stance. Our problem is not the faithful of the church, but the ignorance that people accept as their world view, without questioning what they’re told.
I remember committed Hillary supporters turning to me half-way through the campaign last year and telling me that she should just “shut up” and let Obama win. Why? Because all of a sudden the media had decided to take out Hillary and support Obama. They started running factual, critical stories about Hillary. People who supported her never knew anything about these stories — until the media decided to let them. The same is true of Obama. Most people would be shocked if they learned about his support of death for born-alive infants, but they’ll never know about it. There’s a reason the Founding Fathers supported the right to a free press. Little did they know it would be turned into a propaganda organ of the left.
I am so disappointed in Notre Dame’s decision to give him an honorary degree. That smug look he always has on his face was in fine form that day. He had that look of “see, I won again! I am the Messiah of Notre Dame!” He once said he would never punish his daughters by making them have a baby if they were to get pregnant. He supported the Born Alive bill that would allow aborted babies that are born alive in a botched abortion to be murdered. Notre Dame should be ashamed for letting the most prominent Catholic University in the U.S. be used to further this man’s agenda. They gave him the chance to produce so much public controversy that did nothing but make the University look like a fool, and gave him the spotlight he loves so much. Notre Dame is the loser in this because there are many people who will no longer give financial support, including me. Obama is the winner because he proved he can get anyone to renounce their values for the chance to have his “greatness” in their midst.
I meant to add…at the Ash Wednesday liturgy at my daughter’s Catholic high school last year, they distributed a small pamphlet with the songs to be sung during the service. On the back cover of this pamphlet they printed a Muslim prayer for Ramadan. Doesn’t that say it all?
To David #46,
I didn’t insult you, so don’t insult me.
I didn’t use the name of the site to make my judgment. I went to the site and looked around. I made my judgment based on what I read there, the links to newsmax, etc.
And, you didn’t address my point about the phrase she used in this article. “Dark-skinned group”? Really? In the 21st century?
BTW, someone who resorts to insults rather than rebutting an argument is the person embarassing himself.
Now, I have clients to meet with. Later.
I am in the 46% that will never support such and awful politician like Obama… being a young”er” Catholic w/ children who will make college decisions in the future… ND has been crossed off our list for both the education of my children and any money given to Catholic Universities. My children have attended Catholic schools their entire life so far… and my husband and I are devout in our Faith… but this type of action by a Catholic institution send an unpardonable message to our children and is distinctly UNCatholic.
“I didn’t insult you, so don’t insult me.”
I don’t want to hurt your feelings—but you are way over your intellectually. You have a lot of reading to do. I just don’t know what else to say. Sorry about that.
#43 Albert:
“Maybe Notre Dame University is beginning to realize that cultivated rational thinking cannot continue to sustain excuses for the contradictions and hypocrisy perpetrated by so many leaders of its religious faith.”
A very common misperception of Catholicism as a monolithic faith.
Fact of the matter is that each diocese or archdiocese pretty much runs its own affairs as it sees fit.
If you attended Mass in a parish of the Diocese of Arlington,(a conservative diocese that I share with brother David Alexander), and then attended a Mass at a parish of the Dioces of Richmond, you’d wonder if you were even in a house of worship of the same faith.
So the fact that certain communities of Catholics have been led astray into idolatry,perversion, abomination, child sacrifice, and accommodation with blasphemy is as old a feature of Christianity since the days when St. Peter and St. Paul walked the Earth and mailed Letters to them about it.
And I would point out to you that if the end product of “cultivated rational thinking” are the images so kindly linked to by afotia at #22, then your apparent regard for it is sadly misplaced.
I’ll take ignorant dogmatic superstition any and every day of the week, if that’s what cultivated rational thinking produces.
As a very poor Catholic, I would protest Notre Dame’s actions by placing an aborted fetus upon the altar of their chapel.
Make an offering to the Lord of what you have wrought, by your words and by your hands.
Some might call me a bit blunt, but I think that would get the message across.
“And, you didn’t address my point about the phrase she used in this article. “Dark-skinned group”? Really? In the 21st century?”
typical white person? Really? In the 21st century?
To David #52,
“I don’t want to hurt your feelings—but you are way over your intellectually. You have a lot of reading to do. I just don’t know what else to say. Sorry about that.”
My feelings aren’t hurt at all. But, once again you make statements without a single fact.
Address one of my points. Tell me exactly what I should be reading to update my education. Do something besides tell me that I lack education and then not explain the statement.
Oh, well. I’ll check back later tonight or tomorrow to see what I should get at the library to improve myself.
“But, once again you make statements without a single fact.”
The very fact that you perceive something racist because a blog is named “The Other White People” is conclusive evidence that you are out of your depth. As for some recommended reading—you should read anything by Thomas Sowell.
Because they’re stupid?
Some of the Catholics I know who voted for Mr. Obama justified their vote by saying, “I’m not a one-issue voter. I look at the total package.” They were enchanted/enthralled/dazzled by Mr. Obama’s rhetoric about “social justice” issues: health care, immigration, “affordable housing,” “livable wages,” etc., etc. They don’t ~like~ abortion, but are willing to overlook Mr. Obama’s voting record on that issue to achieve what they perceive as a “greater good.”
I admit I have a real problem with many who espouse “social justice” in large part because they use it to mean equality of outcome, not merely equality of opportunity. The idea of personal responsibility seems to be missing as well.
The American Catholics were just following the Pope’s lead. If having a pro-abortion President speak at a Catholic University garnered no outrage from the leader of the church, why would the flock feel any differently.
For me, the blame for the lack of outrage falls squarely on the Pope’s shoulders. He missed an opportunity to take a stand. Pity for him and his followers.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light. The Catholic Church needs to speak the truth about illegal aliens breaking the law and how islam is not an Abrahamic faith but a political cult that wants to take over the world. I am Catholic and I am sick of the Kool-aid at the churches.
To #40 Mike: “Just visit her blog at:
http://www.theotherwhitepeople.com/origin.html
Also, doesn’t the phrase “leader — who comes from the dark-skinned group they have been taught to uphold —” give you pause?”
The phrase “The Other White People” refers to white people of Eastern European ancestry, rather than the more familiar Northern Europeans. And the blog seems to not be active at this time, as the last entry was September 2008.
I read the phrase “…leader–who comes from the dark-skinned group they have been taught to uphold–…” as an ironic commentary, pointing out that we are not allowed to criticize or question President Obama ~because~ he is black. (If you doubt that, ask Geraldine Ferraro what happened when she pointed out that had a white male with a similar resume to Candidate Obama tried to run for POTUS, he would would have been summarily dismissed.)
Regrettably, abortion is a secondary or tertiary issue with most Catholics.
I vote pro-life with very, very few exceptions (e.g. local races for DA where the Republican is incompetent, etc.).
I was a student at a Catholic high school when Roe v. Wade was handed down.
My biology teacher was a nun, and all we did for several months was viewing abortion videos and pictures of in vitro fetuses.
The Catholic Church has been strident in its opposition to abortion for 35 years.
I am proud of that fact.
I think that the great shortcoming of several Protestant faiths is to support legalized abortion.
As a result, it baffles me to see more Obama (and Kerry and Gore) stickers than McCain (Bush, etc) on cars when I go to church.
When I was a young man, I had a 10 year dalliance with the Episcopal faith, but I rejoined the Catholic Church, primarily due to the fact that the clergy of the Episcopal church I attended were pro-choice (as in on the Board of Planned Parenthood).
It’s not difficult to see that Obama’s policies will create more of the poverty that he claims they will ameliorate.
My idea of social justice is equal opportunity, not equal results.
When I die, I will not have to explain or defend my foolish decision to support a pro-abortion President, Senator, Congressman, etc.
What are these Catholics thinking?
Some of them (such as the Notre Dame President) are morally obtuse.
I hope that Notre Dame’s contributions suffer this year as a result of this appalling decision.
I suspect that they will.
A few years ago, our bishop joined anti-abortion protesters praying across the street from the local abortion clinic.
That is my idea of clergy leadership.
David Thompson – Of course she is a racist – she and you just do not want to admit it
I’m not Catholic, my wife was raised Catholic and we’re not practicing at the moment. I won’t convert to the Catholic Church because of philosophical & ideological differences. Things like the Notre Dame debacle only reaffirm that choice. I respect those Bishops who protested 0bama’s being chosen to speak.
Pro-Life? Pro-Choice? I’m more Pro-Life than Pro-Choice but some might categorize me as Pro-Choice. Abortion should never be used for birth control, that is morally and ethically wrong. In instances where rape, incest, severe defects are involved, or the mother’s health are at risk I feel that it is acceptable to choose to abort the child. I believe that my reasons for my views are sound and am prepared to face my Maker’s judgment on them. Please note however that just because I believe that these instances are exceptions to a “no abortion” stance on my part does not mean that I feel that abortions must be performed in those instances. It’s up to the parents to decide, I have faith that God will ensure that those he wants born will be.
The Catholic Church seems to have lost its way and the respect of people and members somewhere in the last 40-50 years. The same can be said for many things in the US. TBH the Baby Boomers have on a whole royally screwed up so many things its sad.
“The American Catholics were just following the Pope’s lead. If having a pro-abortion President speak at a Catholic University garnered no outrage from the leader of the church, why would the flock feel any differently.
For me, the blame for the lack of outrage falls squarely on the Pope’s shoulders. He missed an opportunity to take a stand. Pity for him and his followers.”
this is not correct, the vatican is de facto deciding who will be the us ambassador for the vatican, Caroline kennedy was rejected, not because she’s mentally retarded (which she is anyway) but because she is pro abortion. The precedent bama won’t be able to meet the pope (for his precious photo ops) until a viable (pro-life) ambassador is chosen.
This sounds to me like a very hard stand by the vatican. Consider how desperate zerobama is to collect his photo ops, imagine how michelle would gloat to be able to display other atrocious outfits in front of the pope. The meeting won’t happen anytime soon, trust me. That to me is more a stand than anything that happened in the usa recently.
shadow of a brain, you liberals are the masters of racism, we can only hope to be shy learners.
When President Bush nominated Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court, Sen. Joe Biden had this to say:
I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black. I don’t believe he could have won had he been white. And the reason is, I think it was a cynical ploy by President Bush.
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thanks for proving once again with FACTS who is the real professional racist
And march hare is right, even in the uk, they refer people from east eu as different kind of whites.
Thanks for proving that intelligence for you is only a pure imagination
Scott:
It’s time to drop the pro-choice moniker for those who support abortion. Outside of the few libertarians like Ron Paul abortion supporters are not pro-choice. As a rule they are supporters of socialized medicine which would deny medical choice for any procedure other then abortion. So let’s call a spade a spade. Abortion supporters are pro-abortion and anti-choice.
Susan:
If the shoe fits, wear it. I think the shoe fits you just right. I am interested in the amount of venom you spew – not exactly what I thought being Christlike is suppose to be. Matthew 25: 31-46
#65 susan: “This sounds to me like a very hard stand by the vatican. ”
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. As the leader of the Catholic church, the Pope could have (and missed a great opportunity) to actually lead. If he would have come out with a statement that in effect reprimanded ND for asking TeleBama and reminded Catholics of their faiths’ stance on abortion, maybe the outcome would have been different.
Hiding behind the bureaucracy of the Vatican was cowardly.
Scott, besides the fact that the prenatal diagnoses are often incorrect, could you tolerate aborting a child diagnosed with autism in the womb? Five years, that is how long we have to ban abortion before autistic children are targeted for extermination. Children who may be extremely gifted are going to be in the cross hairs of the abortionists soon. They were always in danger, but soon people will actually be aiming at them.
Obamadulation
An article in the latest edition of The Economist bemoans the paucity of comic material for mocking President Barack Hussein Obama, suggesting he is just too perfect–and slick–to serve as a target for a comedy routine. Almost in passing, it mentions that, “His race makes some cautious.”
Ya think?
Actually, there are tons of such material available for Jay Leno, Dave Letterman, Conan O’Brien, and all the other comedians on cable such as Bill Maher and Jon Stewart for whom nothing was off limits when it came to former President George W. Bush or even his daughters. Indeed, at every opportunity they still lampoon Bush and if no opportunity avails itself, they will simply invent one.
They and their writers simply choose not to use readily available and copious comic material about Obama for a variety of reasons, not least of which is his race.
They dare not go there nor do they dare to target his missteps, misspeaks, and misinterpretations since, as Obama only half-jokingly said at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, most supported his candidacy and voted for him. How would it look, less than 5 months into his reign, if they now made fun of him?
In point of fact, they never will subject Obama to the unrelenting, scathing “humor” to which George Bush was subjected. You simply don’t ridicule a guy with his messianic aura, and complex.
The Economist article, “Read It and Weep” by “Lexington,” http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13692860, inadvertently says far more about the reasons for the lack of comedic coverage than it does about the reticence of leftists to dare to criticize its living icon, that same President Barack Hussein Obama.
The closest the article gets to a Bush-like assault is this accompanying cartoon depicting a wild onion bouncing across the president’s Oval Office desk and his addled facial expression:
The onion is a reference to the satiric website, Onion.com, which is “unencumbered by any obvious party loyalty” and so continues to hurl barbed headlines and stories including, “Black Man Given Nation’s Worst Job,” which is more a poke at the presidency than at the president.
To suggest that only Onion spoofs can ridicule him with patently-absurd headlines and stories has to be a spoof in and of itself.
“Lexington” goes on to quote various comics on the comedic issues they face with Obama.
Letterman shamelessly lauds him as “cogent, eloquent, and in complete command of the issues” and sighs: “What the hell am I supposed to do with that?” No more clips of “Great Moments in Presidential Speeches” for Dave. After all, that ongoing series contrasting well-rehearsed speeches by FDR, et al. with impromptu George W. remarks, or pauses, or a clip showing Bush trying to exit through a locked door were really, really funny.
Bill Maher complains that Obama is “not fat, not cheating on his wife, not stupid, not angry and not a phoney [sic].” Obesity, although not Oprah’s, is hilarious to Maher as are John Edwards’ screwing around with some bimbo while his wife battles terminal cancer, . . .
(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)
To David #56,
“The very fact that you perceive something racist because a blog is named “The Other White People” is conclusive evidence that you are out of your depth.”
For the second (and final) time I did NOT “perceive something racist because a blog is named “The Other White People””. I went to the blog, went to the links provided to newsmax and worldpress, read the quote at the top of the page “…clinging to our guns, religion, and good sense and not as dumb as Barack Obama thinks we are” and perceived the site to have racist overtones from what I viewed. And whether or not the blog is active is irrelevant as Ms. Grabar links to it from the home page of her site, marygrabar.com.
As for Sowell, I freely admit to not having read any of his books. I have, however, read enough of his op-ed editorials in my local paper to know that I disagree with him on most topics. It’s doubtful that I’ll give myself a headache by reading any more of him than I already have.
I’ve burned enough time here. I’m not Catholic, so I don’t really have a dog in this fight. However, I do believe that the decision to terminate a pregnancy should be between a woman and her physician.
And with that, good day.
” “…clinging to our guns, religion, and good sense and not as dumb as Barack Obama thinks we are” and perceived the site to have racist overtones from what I viewed. ”
yes you are right, the racist overtones is the reminder of the deep racism that obema has for middle america.
On one thing we agree, there are racist sentences but it’s from a real racist (zerobama) towards a non-minority, non-protected group (middle america with guns and religion)
“If he would have come out with a statement that in effect reprimanded ND for asking TeleBama and reminded Catholics of their faiths’ stance on abortion, maybe the outcome would have been different.”
Interferring with a PRIVATE institution, an ocean apart, is not a good thing, how many people would have screamed for it both in Italy (the thing passed unnoticed, instead) and USA?
You underestimate the steady position of the vatican. The pope (not this last one, but even the previous one) met with muslim head of states, former communist leaders, if zerobama passes his 4 years mandate without meeting the pope because of the diplomatic choice of the ambassador it is going to speak VOLUMES.
i am not keeping track but he would be the first president in don’t know how many years not being able to meet the pope on official visit. A president (as clownish and embarassing as he is) that has met dictators, muslim leaders but not the pope?
The vatican has been clear: no pro abortion person for vatican ambassador. My thought is that they will select a low profile democrat that’s not openly pro abortion and save face at the last minute
“I am interested in the amount of venom you spew – not exactly what I thought being Christlike is suppose to be. Matthew 25: 31-46″
why do you assume I am christian? You leftist are funny. You despise any religion and dismiss it as opium for the masses but the very few times that it suits you, you quote the bible, the pope.
Hypocrisy is a sin.
I’m Catholic, and was arrested at Notre Dame for trespassing on campus for the right to life.
I’ve stopped attending Mass, I quit SVDP, and I will not give one more cent to the Church or any affiliated organizations. I’ve seen the destruction that these contributions have wrought on the poor and how addicted and dependent with no hope they have become.
I’ve heard enough Marxist BS from the pulpit for one life-time.
I’m done with the Church. Goodbye!
the vatican and the more than ironically named club of rome are the biggest perpetuators of satan’s work on earth. with all the power and supposed compassion eminating from rome and washington why is the world in utter shambles, ringed by a prison fence erected by miscreants building a one world government with one world religion that has already enslaved millions of poor and well to do alike, spiraling towards eminent man made disasters of cataclysmic proportions? they represent a perverse betrayal of mankind and indeed jesus himself. time to wakeup from the dead before we all end up dead
#76 Sapwolf:
“I’m done with the Church. Goodbye!”
That their poison has driven you away was precisely their intention.
There are other dioceses that still hew to,(or at least try), to the message.
Didn’t you ever “shop the sermons” at different parishes of your home diocese?
I know the Pastor at one parish in Diocese of Arlington who gets you out the doors and into the breakfast drive-through at McDonald’s by 1030 sharp every Sunday.
Another at St. Leo the Great’s who gives great homily.
And a third who is a great teacher, and his biblical seminars at St. Timothy’s were well worth the time spent in the pews.
Don’t be so quick to walk away in a huff, it ain’t all bad everywhere.
Sapwolf,
I made the same decision when I saw on TV my clergy march in anti-war protests during Vietnam. My Church abandoned me, not the other way around.
That the Catholic church is in disarray is without question, the question is; can the current Pope reorganize and get things back in order and on track. I doubt it, he seems more political than religious.
Meanwhile, I’m attending a Greek Orthodox Church,,, I think they have a better handle on religion.
76. Sapwolf . . . “Free at last. Free at last. Thank god almighty, you’re free at last.”
67. jerryofva:. . . “It’s time to drop the pro-choice moniker for those who support abortion . . . As a rule they are supporters of socialized medicine which would deny medical choice for any procedure other then abortion. So let’s call a spade a spade. Abortion supporters are pro-abortion and anti-choice.”
How long does it take you to contort yourself into such a twisted position? Pro-choice means exactly that – the woman’s right to choose. It has nothing whatsoever to do with socialized medicine. Pro-life, except where the death penalty is concerned – now there’s a real contradiction.
Now where was all the fuss when Notre Dame invited George W Bush to give a commencement address? As governor of Texas he only presided over more death penalties than any governor in the U.S. combined. Sort of defeats the pro-life argument there.
Mary Grabar — Why fault 22-year-olds who have grown up in a religious tradition that says very little, if anything, about the increasing power of the state?
You have this upside down. No wonder you’re confused. It’s the anti-abortionists who want to use the power of the state to dictate their beliefs.
Another thread about the dreaded socialised health care schemes claims that the state has no business interfering with what happens between a doctor and his/her patient. “The state can’t make medical decisions, only doctors and patients can!”
And yet…
The same people saying this claim that patients shouldn’t be allowed to have abortions. Only the state should be able to make that decision.
So the *real* argument isn’t one of statism, but who’s pulling the strings.
It’s a real shame. I was seriously considering becoming a Roman Catholic after years of agnosticism but after seeing Catholics drift steadily to the left and the abandoning of their princibles I would be ashamed to associate myself with them. They’re now becoming a solid voting block for Democraps and there’s no way in heck I’m joining a group like that.
#84, ‘becoming a Roman Catholic’ is an individual endeavor. ‘joining a group’ is later – RCIA, baptism, confirmation, communion and the rest of the 7 sacraments applicable to you. Search for truth of first principle and see where it goes. Start with Cathechism of the Catholic Church with New American Bible for reference of most of the footnotes. On your spare time, read Confessions by Augustine, Storey Mountain by Merton and browse through the Vatican website for papal encyclicals. Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and the whole world.
Sheesh:
Abortion supporters and the language of Row v
Wade argue that the choice is a private decision between the doctor and the patient. Most abortion supporters want to take the choice of treatment for everything other then abortion away from the doctor and the patient, give it to the government. There will be no medical choice for procedurs other then abortion. In most cases pro-abortion is anti-choice.
I don’t see why continue to argue with a robot of sub-normal intelligence.
Notre Dame U. was wrong in honoring president Obama. As a Catholic U. only those people that uphold and defend our catholic principles should be honored and invited, Yet I do not agree with your description of the current Catholic Church in this country. my parish, Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church in Kendall Miami Dade Florida is a vibrant young energetic churh in which the overwhelming theme is LOVE. Love of Jesus for All of us irrespective of our skin color origin and believes permeates the spirit of this parish”s amazing agenda.You find this same spirit all across South Florida and even in New Castle Co, Delaware from where our current Vice President hails . Yes both my husband and myself were members of “Saint Joseph on the Brandywine Church” in Greenville, Delaware where V.P. Biden use to worship. So I resent you branding ALL Catholics as liberals and Obama followers.
#87 — As a Catholic U. only those people that uphold and defend our catholic principles should be honored and invited…[snip]
Narrow the standards enough and only staunch members of certain factions get invited.
Obama (and any other president) does uphold and defend the right of the church to exist and practice as it will.
It would be one thing if Obama were a staunch critic of the church and advocated that it be censored or otherwise suppressed. But this isn’t happening. And one can’t play the suppression card merely because the speaker doesn’t believe exactly as you do.
G:
I would normally agree with you if Notre Dame was an independent or public univeristy. However, an institution that is affiliated with with a religous body like the Catholic Church is duty bound to uphold the doctrine of the Church and not honor those who blatantly flaunt their opposition to its fundemental values.
Free speech applies only to the Public Square not private institutions. Attempts to tie free speech to private instituions ultimately undermines the First Amendment.
(I am not a Catholic)
#89 — Free speech applies only to the Public Square not private institutions. Attempts to tie free speech to private instituions ultimately undermines the First Amendment.
I didn’t mention free speech; my comment was directed solely at the wisdom of artifically narrowing the invite list to team members rather than a wider range. They’re free to invite whomever they like, obviously.
G. Alston:
I thought about acknowledging that you were not explicitly making a Free Speech argument but didn’t.
I think your expressed point of view is at least implicity drawn from the First Amendment. As a Catholic institution Notre Dame is under obligation to bring speakers to Campus for important functions like Commencement who support and reinforce Catholic teaching and values. There may be a place in sectarian institution to invite an any time, any place, any age supporter of abortion to debate the issue but graduation is not one of them. It is like inviting David Duke to speak at the Howard University Commencement solely to make sure a wide range of views were heard.
#91 — It is like inviting David Duke to speak at the Howard University Commencement solely to make sure a wide range of views were heard.
Nice line.
I didn’t view their decision as being PC so much as a message to the graduates: “this guy represents the real world. You did well in graduating. You have a lot of challenges ahead of you. The real work lies ahead. Listen, my graduates, and learn from this…”
You can say these things but they sound like platitudes. Demonstrating them is not. Most commencement speeches don’t seem very inspiring…
Anyway what I originally responded to was the contention that the Univ is obligated to choose from a narrow pool. I think that’s a bad move.
G. Alston:
I would think that having David Duke address the 2009 Howard University graduating class would help them understand what they face in the world.
Apparently Mary Grabar is a true American cafeteria Catholic; those aspects of pastoral teaching she agrees with, she embraces (and demands that all others do as well); those she disagrees with, she simply rejects out of hand, and admonishes the bishops and cardinals to see the error of their ways.
She might be well advised to run for Pope: She could then put her own personal stamp on the Magisterium.
# 2, I’ve found the younger priests to be a lot better than the old ones. I often wonder how many of those over 60 first entered the seminary to avoid the draft and then inertia set in. They seemed to have changed very little in the last 30 years other than their underwear.
My current pastor came to his vocation after 20 years in the military and his sermons are strictly based on the Bible reading for the day with one exception. A few weeks ago he unloaded on Obama’s position on abortion. I cringe whenever he goes on vacation because the substitute is likely to be am elderly priest just brimming with the Gospel of Social Justice.
One gray haired substitute was so foul that in the middle of the sermon I very slowly held up the check meant for the collection plate, looked the substitute priest straight in the eye and tore the check into pieces. It caused a few jaws to drop around me, but I figured it was the best way to send the message that I hadn’t driven 30 miles to hear all about Karl Marx.
Having been raised in New York under the auspices of
Bishop Fulton J. Sheehan and of course the beat and learn
system of dutiful nuns, I have some insight as to where
the Catholic Church has turned. Taking a quick turn to
the present, all those so called Catholic persons that
suck up to the minstrel show leader, well they are given
a pass by the Church where as they should be excommunicated. Stating a person who is anathema to
God and His law is lost has some bite but “lets all hug”
well do not do it, hell will be full of people that
will not hug any longer and they will be greived to be
with Obama who by the way if you took off the mask is
really Baghdad Bob.
The truth is most people do not take God seriously, nor
life and death but are simply in love with their sorry
selves. Oh what a terrible day judgement day will be
“weeping and nashing of teeth”.
Good luck, God Bless……..Bill
NC Mountain Girl
What a woman!!!
Susan – If you are not a christian, what is your definition of sin or sinner – someone who does not agree with you I’d guess
#82. Pat, can’t you discern between an innocent baby being killed and a murderer being executed? You sound like supreme court material. Someone, please let Obambi know that Pat may be available!
Maybe what we need is the Pain Killer, you know, like Judas Priest’s Album? “Chromium plated liquid metal/ brighter than a thousand suns” He could do everything the Pope and other “dark people” loving Catholics won’t do, i.e. run over all evil with a circular saw wheeled motorcycle.