Why Are Tiger’s Women Getting a Pass?
Even if they don’t take a women’s studies class, female teenagers get the message from the culture around them. When even Carrie Prejean, a 22-year-old beauty pageant winner lauded for her traditional values and courage in speaking up against gay marriage, has sent sexually explicit videos to an ex-boyfriend and has subjected her young body to surgical enhancement, we know there is something wrong with the culture. The teenager sees her cohorts baring their breasts on Girls Gone Wild, watches scantily clad women begging for a man on various reality dating shows, and sees her friends “sexting” young men. In an age of sexual openness and celebrity, one of the quickest ways to jump from Facebook to cable news is to have an affair with a celebrity, politician, or sports star.
Her college campus will certainly not provide anything in the form of in loco parentis. In addition to coed dorms and accessibility to advice about “safe sex” from the health department, she will be learning about “sex workers” in various classes, including classes in the English department. Her campus may even get a visit from the “Sex Workers Art Tour.” Pornography and prostitution are now presented as forms of “sex work,” a legitimate line of work, with its own code of ethics. I saw this argument advanced in feminist scholarly writing in the 1990s; now it has become accepted in liberal circles.
At one time prostitutes and loose women would have been condemned. And so would the cheating man, especially by members of his community and church.
But now, in the court of public opinion, the fault seems to be cast almost exclusively at Woods. In the meantime, one of his mistresses runs for help to famed feminist lawyer Gloria Allred, who specializes in helping such scandal-ridden women.
Tiger Woods was able to find many willing participants. That there are women willing to overlook a man’s marital status — especially when he is rich, popular, or powerful — is nothing new, of course. What is new is a celebrity-infatuated culture that encourages such behavior through the promotion of female promiscuity as empowerment.
But while these women will enjoy their fifteen minutes of fame, they will feel a sense of emptiness inside. As these women slip into middle age they will find that their false sense of empowerment has faded, with the men now able to pick and choose. The tables will be turned and many will end up alone, in a “sisterhood” not by choice.
But a man-less future is what the radical feminists wanted all along. That’s why “home-wrecker” holds no currency anymore.
These skanks definitely don’t deserve any sort of ‘pass’ and nor does T. Woods.
How any woman can practically brag on gossip rags about shagging a rich, famous, MARRIED athlete is beyond abhorrent. Once all of the hoopla dies down, these women will crawl back under the rocks from whence they came and have to live down their own vile behavior they so readily ‘shared’ with the world for some cash.
I don’t know what is more pathetic? The skanks or T.W. risking his marriage, kids, health and career for said skanks??????
YUCKY.
It’s really not that complicated. Tot up all the various sources making noise about the golfer’s alleged infidelities — all of them, not just the ones we find ideologically distasteful — and find one whose core agenda includes making women feel bad about sexual libertinism, or would permit such a tactic in service to its aims.
Gender-war feminists? No.
Anti-capitalists? Doubtful.
Advocates for the return of a strong marriage? Definitely not.
Extreme religious fundamentalists? Doubtful, except for Muslims.
Vendors of self-help and self-esteem building advice to women? No.
The “soaprah” demographic? Hardly.
In some of those cases, the source sees men (or at least wealthy, accomplished men) as inherently the enemy, and would never countenance an apportionment of odium that touches the women involved. In the others, the core agenda dictates remaining “supportive” of women in general, and so recoils from a statement that might sound critical of a female choice.
And it doesn’t help that American women, in the main, are a befuddled group struggling to cope with conflicting messages and conflicting drives.
You guys got to see the movie Bitchslap! Any digs on the Carrie Prejean tapes?
There is nothing pretty about women who trade sex as a profession for whatever currency offered by the men to whom they offer their bodies. The parade of clueless, empty faces who have paraded through the media spotlight bragging of their liasons with a married man, any man, are some of the saddest souls on this earth. Their “fame” is fleeting and they will forever bear the appellation of whore. Of this they are ignorant, and so, perhaps, their very lack of intelligence will shield them from the shame and disparagement the rest of the world has for their promiscuity.
There is a double standard. Tiger Woods will always be wealthy and his prowess as an athlete will forever be lauded long after this scandal fades. His wife will survive as a very rich divorcee and his children will be fine. The women with whom he consorted will be forgotten, sad footnotes.
But how our society got to the point where these women were feted at all is the sorriest episode in this saga. Feminism should be about dignity and pride. How did it get so contorted?
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But now, in the court of public opinion, the fault seems to be cast almost exclusively at Woods.
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The fault IS exclusively his. He’s the married man, it’s up to HIM be faithful to his wife – Tiger Woods and nobody else. To suggest that it’s anyone else’s job to keep Woods on the straight and narrow is sheer crackpottery. Or is this supposed to be a satire piece?
To be sure, Tiger’s women DO seem to be getting a pass.
But I think the phenomenon grows more out of an attempt to assist Woods than it does a cultural shift in the perceived value of homemaking (vs. a professional career).
Far too many of Woods’ media apologists — it seems to me — have referred to others who have been wronged by THEIR celebrity hubbies, and have been “strong enough” to stand by their men.
To them, the onus is on Mrs. Woods to buck up and “do her wifely duty,” rather than on the wandering Woods and his sundry tarts.
But I don’t think that most people who’ve been giving Woods’ paramours a pass have been doing so for the homewreckers’ sake (or because of any lack of respect for Elin and /or her life choices).
Woods’ sycophants, I believe, are simply seeking to protect their hero. And in so doing, they have also ended up providing a degree of indirect cover for the many women who have contributed to Elin’s misery.
actually I don’t see anything new here. Nothing to be related to feminism or so.
A married man who got a lot of lovers? Nothing new under the sun. Lots of girls saying “hey, been there, done that!” ? Nothing new. He getting a pass (almost a standing ovation from other men) ? Nothing new. Nothing to be related with feminism or a new moral low. Don’t enclose yourself in an ivory tower. I think is quite fair, if he gets a pass, the girls should get a pass.
4@LaneyB
Ho’ing is just marriage in a short time frame. One without the other is inconsistent. Keep both or ban both. If the market were allowed to become perfect, the price will fall below the cost of a date. Then prostitution will become indistinguishable from ‘free’ sex. This is partly true even now.
And what about the Swedish ‘model’? You know, the one that married him for the money.
By Jove it is working. We have turned women into sluts and have told them it is “empowering”. We have made male sexual conquest easier by taking away any of the consequences (ie. abortion). We use women and tell them to celebrate their freedom. We take what we want and we leave and we tell her it’s “her choice”. Yes indeed, it is a man’s world!
TO: Mary Grabar, et al.
RE: Why?
Because feminist HATE ‘homes’. As they hate families. Feminists are just another tool of what I refer to as ‘that other camp’, bent on destroying anything that is ‘good’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Whereas Good can tolerate the existence of Evil. Evil cannot tolerate the existence of Good, as Good will continually be pointing out Evil's problems. Therefore Evil must always try to destroy Good.]
emma , Nonsense! it takes two to commit adultery. They well knew he was married, and they were hardly running around with sacks over their heads nor running away from him. For all we know they initiated it (not that that mitigates Woods’ behavior, it most surely does not).
Both are at equally at fault. Both commit adultery (no one does not have to be the married one to be an adulterer).
How ludicrous of you to just blame the man, and how female.
Typical evasion of female behavior and irresponsibility by the American female.
How feckless.
Both are equally guilty here. No one was raped. In fact, for women to expose their illicit affairs with Woods for personal gain is worse than the adultery in the first place, though not by much, just as Woods hypocrisy in posing as a moral role model while doing this sort of nonsense is worse than his infidelity (again, though not by much). The effects of moral scandal by trusted public figures cause broader damage that the actual acts do to thue immediate families.
You need to work on the moral compass of yours, the needle is off.
It is a tad immoral as well for a women to allow neurotic problems that she may have with the male sex to excuse immorality on females part: it is immoral for men to give Woods a shirk and say “well what do you expect? she came on to him.” or “he just got caught”.
Both are forms of moral turpitude. Both are forms of hypocrisy. Less grievous than adultery, but immoral (and sinful) nonetheless.
This is all a smokescreen. I grew up in the south side of Chicago, so I am familiar with official corruption, but I was caught by surprise by the official denial of the Florida Highway Patrol officer’s request for Tiger’s blood test. That’s the real issue as far as I and any driver that has ever been forced to prove their sobriety.
Yes, the skanks and whores in this matter should not escape notice. The abundance of them is sad testimony to the debased state of our culture and society. We seem to live in a porn culture that’s only getting worse. The women involved in this deserve no respect or sympathy. They are the low-life that they are. But they did not commit the sin of betrayal and for this reason, I believe it appropriate that Woods get the majority of the negative attention.
The betrayal of trust is far and away most offensive behavior in my book. He’s at the bottom of the scale of human decency. But these women who have sold their souls aren’t really all that much better.
This story has so many aspects to it and it is not surprising it has captured the interest of so many. And to state my bias up front, the only one I’m rooting for is Elin. And a shout out to Jasper P for speaking up for her.
The reason Tiger is getting more of the heat is he deserves it. On some level he probably believed the “lie” that he was a good husband and doting father. And he took every dollar of sponsors’ money to promote and maintain his public image. Tiger’s little travel service on the side arranged to have the ladies on the side transported to locations across the globe for what has been described as rough sex or just bad sex. Note to Tiger: perhaps one of the best reasons not to cheat as a married man is your performance gets reviewed in The Sun newspaper and what she said, ouch! No “allowance” for her, if she can’t say nice things about your skills.
As for the ladies on the side, their “look” is to attract attention and they have succeeded. I hope they have a plan B which includes an education and joyous sex with unmarried, unattached men. And nope, I don’t need to see video proof when it happens.
Now to Elin, the kids, and Tiger. If this experience, told years in the future, affects the ability of your kids to form trusting and lasting relationships, then Tiger, every hair pull and risky text message will not have been worth it. Tiger, your golf competitors have been looking for an edge over you for about a decade, did you have to make it so easy for them?
Special note to Tiger and the ladies on the side, if this is how you really want to live your life, go for it. And I would hope that Tiger would get a divorce and become the spokesman for condoms. If on the other hand you were chasing what you thought would lead to lasting happiness, this is a great opportunity to reevaluate. Through this experience you have learned who your friends are, who will stand with you during a challenging moment and who will sell you out to the tabloids. What a great starting point to go a different direction.
Special note to Elin: may you be surrounded by love and support. I believe in the power of forgiveness because of what it gives you. Don’t stay a prisoner to the potential of another “bimbo erruption”, love him if you can and forgive him. Most importantly, love yourself.
I don’t think God has been convinced. It is still sin and it is still the lust of the flesh.The disgrace and dishonor upon the family of Mr. Woods will not be assuaged by apologetic press releases and public relation massages.
In his heart he must confess his sin and accept the power of the one who can forgive. That is the same message for the women involved as Tiger Woods.
It is not a question of morality so much as it is the salvation of their immortal souls.
Mark Cahill tried to bring the message to Tiger but he was too busy to accept Jesus Christ.
They’re getting a pass, as you call it, because under the circumstances, they don’t matter. It’s Tiger’s behavior that’s in question. Homewreckers? Maybe we could have blamed the front nine but the back nine tell me something else. Ever heard a song by Dr. John that goes, If I Don’t Do it, Somebody Else Will?
Emma – you are way off base with your feminist exoneration of the women, and your feminist assertion of ‘man as aggressor’.
These women knew he was married, and with children; right there, their involvement was unscrupulous and amoral. Since you are obviously a feminist, then, you must agree that women have ‘power’. That means the power to think, to be moral, to take or not take actions. They aren’t passive enslaved victims as you are saying. They had a choice, all on their own.
Pelaut – an equally stupid comment. What’s wrong with his wife having been a model? He wasn’t married; they married. So?
None of this is new. The problem is legally enforced monogamy. There was a time when a rich and powerful was practically expected to have more than one wife. If a man could afford more than one wife, he could have them – no worries.
Polygamy is the answer. If we are doing away with the gender discriminating rule that a marriage can only be between a man and a woman, why not do away with the numerical discrimination as well? If I want more than one wife, and the women in my life agree to it, what’s the problem?
And by the way, I have no problem with my wife having another husband.
Particularly if he already has a really nice boat.
“But while these women will enjoy their fifteen minutes of fame, they will feel a sense of emptiness inside. As these women slip into middle age they will find that their false sense of empowerment has faded, with the men now able to pick and choose. The tables will be turned and many will end up alone, in a “sisterhood” not by choice.
How on earth would you know what the future holds for these women? Unless they were married THEY weren’t cheating on anyone, so they really should be ashamed of what they did.
Tiger’s the one who made the choice to break his vows. No one held a gun to his head.
Typo!
Unless they were married THEY weren’t cheating on anyone, so they really SHOULDN’T be ashamed of what they did.
The media has done an exceptional job of reframing the incident to get it back into their preferred narrative.
If the genders had been reversed, we would be hearing non-stop about how Men (without any “they’re not all like that”, of course) are the source of DV and more draconian laws and punishments must be enacted.
Instead we got a steady drumbeat of “Four legs good, two legs bad” chanting to derail and divert.
“But, he slept with other women!” “She’s prettier than the others.”
“She has children” “He deserved it”
Yadda, yenta and still more yada.
Even the assorted whores are made out to be “heroic” for speaking out and “Victims” of his lust. He is evil because he got sex from them, they are victims because they got cash and status from him.
What a load of crap.
SteveinTX
They are taking our collective minds away from what is going on in Washngton
Who really cares about Tiger’s situation?
Obama!!!..he is probably joyful for the distraction.
Focus guys!! Look at the KEVIN JENNINGS APPOINTMENT!!! forget Tiger!!! Okay, so maybe Obama , Jennings, and Tiger are all alike.
Tiger’s “women” are pathetic examples of humanity,he’s to blame, he went out, he poked around where he didn’t belong,
it’s his fault and they should be stoned.. oh that’s Sharia, which will arrive soon…
They are not getting a pass … they are all whores … what more needs to be said
I’m actually baffled by the Woods “scandal”. According to the society’s standards, what’s wrong with any of it. We’d been pushed a message of “if it feels good, do it” for 40 years. Sex sells everything. What is the rationale for this wrongness and condemnation?
You can’t on one hand abandon God and the moral principles of the Bible, and then somehow decide some behaviors are not appropriate in certain circumstances and settings. If we live in a rampantly libidinous society, there can be only one end result. This. What we see.
Take the famous man out of the equation and these women would be lauded for expressing their sexuality and would be reaping the benefits of posing for Playboy. It’s unfair to call them skanks. They are only mimicking the behavior that is so prized in this culture.
It is one thing to be having sex with a rich and succesful married man. But the one who are cashing in on it have outed themseves as whores; they just got paid after the fact for the sex.
Tigers already being pilloried as he should be. Too bad folks like emma excuse their whorish sisters.
Small correction: “Cosmopolitan” was not founded by Helen Gurley Brown. It was launched way back in 1886, and its first editor was Winston Churchill (the forgotten American novelist, not the half-American Prime Minister).
Tiger NEVER boasted about being the perfect family man, or even the perfect golfer. This an image people made of him THEMSELVES, and now that their wet dream is busted they’re out to crucify him. People either wanted MLK with a sack of golf clubs or Father Knows Best v. 2.0. He advertised for Gatorade (the most known commercial with children in it) but he would have advertised for Coca-Cola
I guess the moral of the story is always search for publicity. Keeping your head down means that people will put their dreams onto you and you have to remind them you are human.
If Tiger was a black politician or Bill Clinton, he’d get a pass on this and the media would be talking about redemption. But, Tiger does not portray himself as a black or as politician, he’s just an incredibly gifted golfer, perhaps the best golfer of all time. So he’s fair game. The media cannot abide a successful man and when they find fault, they will exploit it to the max.
I wish the best for Tiger. He makes golf worth watching. The hos will all have their 15 minutes of fame. There’s a place for hos in our world, but they overstep when they get off their backs and start talking.
Giving up golf for his marriage? That Nordic wife should just go ahead and take the money and return to Europe. Golf is Tiger’s life.
Vultures in the media are the ones without shame. May they all live miserable lives.
Forget about the women. As far as we know not one of them took a celibacy vow. Or if they did, they are only pursuing happiness as in the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
On the other hand, if memory serves from the vows I took, Tiger would have sworn to “forsake all others, etc. etc.” Besides the cocktail waitress is only responsible that the drinks are served with the most titillating ambiance possible. The golfer on the other hand, is reponsible to the integrity with which the game is traditionally associated.
Tiger’s escapades have just made Golf compatible with moral turpitude. An association not traditionally heard or seen. But then again, in the age of obama, adherence to tradition has increasingly become taboo.
God help us all. Does America have the resilence to survive three more years of BHO?
I think the women involved are disgusting. I don’t see how anyone can condemn what Woods did without condemning the women who got involved with him. The porn stars … a lot of them are married too, there’s just a general psychosis there … but the others are scum, no doubt about it.
Morality’s definition is malleable these days. If you want to make a feminist point then Woods was evil to cheat on his wife. Then, somehow, these women he cheated with were also his ‘victims’ because he’s the big, rich athlete. But it doesn’t actually work that way, so people who wonder what gutter the trash he slept with crawled out of have to be hushed up quick.
I think it’s appropriate to include Elin Woods in this group.
If the husband of a female celebrity went through her cell phone looking for evidence of cheating, then threw the phone at her, chipping her tooth and further went after her with a golf club the chattering would not be about her infidelities but rather his invasion of her privacy and how he’s guilty of domestic violence. Imagine the cries of sexism there would be if a successful woman’s husband pressured her to give up her career for the sake of her family.
Her infidelities would be excused and justified by his bad behavior. Look at the raft of articles that put women who have affairs in good light. Just yesterday I saw one, “How my affair saved my marriage”. Can anyone visualize an editor approving such an article from a cheating husband? Can you see an automotive site publishing, “How deliberately breaking my car got my mechanic’s attention”?
Tiger and his side women aren’t the only parties in this scandal that are morally compromised.
Sure, the other women are a bit sluttish, but what is Elin’s prenup if not the practical equivalent of prostitution? She’s getting paid for companionship and for being his brood mare.
And the various media selling ads whilst slavering over this ‘news’, making money from a famous golfers sex drive are not also ho’s? Perhaps it’s a professional courtesy.
I think the article misses a crucial point. Tiger Woods makes extra money by renting out his reputation via endorsements and sponsorships, and his revealed behavior has depreciated their ROI.
As far as I know, none of his paramours had similar deals, so the behavior on their part was less costly, money-wise.
If nothing else, this debacle has explained the silly ass grin Tiger has sported in some of his pre-Thanksgiving photos.
Yep, for sixteen years starting in the early 1980′s, a parade of women passed in front of my desk on their way to a life of welfare. Most of this behavior was based upon their presumption that leaving their husbands and going on welfare with their x-number of children would make them “independent” and “empowered”. Better yet, the “Elephant in the room” that hardly anybody speaks of is the women who ignore marriage altogether and proceeded to churn out numbers of children by different “sperm” donors effectively turning themselves into a “government breeder” and government becoming their “sugar-daddy”. Billions of dollars of taxpayer funds have been spent on this “social liberation” that creates untold misery and social decay and why it is allowed to continue escapes me. All the wounded leaders in the feminist movement must of laughed all the way to the bank………..
You idiots supported the emptying of our coffers on two useless wars, but yeah, this Tiger Woods thing is really important. The blind leading the dumb.
9. pelaut:
And what about the Swedish ‘model’? You know, the one that married him for the money.
I have no doubt there’s a very significant and possibly huge gold digger factor going on with Wood’s wife, but that’s not a factor a this point – not in the least.
Vows are vows. Your word is your word.
9. pelaut:
And what about the Swedish ‘model’? You know, the one that married him for the money.
I have no doubt there’s a very significant and possibly huge gold digger factor going on with Wood’s wife, but that’s not a factor a this point – not in the least. How much respect we should have for gold diggers is a completely separate discussion.
Vows are vows. Your word is your word.
Those women aren’t young, they’re upper 20s to upper 30s. They know exactly what they were doing. They are porn stars, escorts (i.e. prostitutes), party hostesses, cocktail waitresses, and Hooters girls. (When I worked for a bail bondsman, there were many arrests of Hooters girls for prostitution.) That one porn star has implants too big and she’s aging and she has obvious stretch marks and varicose capillaries on her baseball breasts that are sagging.
These women already made life choices long before they ever met Tiger.
Do you teach your daughters to grow up to become porn stars, escorts, prostitutes, Hooters hookers, and cocktail waitresses? Why aren’t these occupations listed in the results of standardized career counseling instruments?
They didn’t break marriage vows; HE did.
They are just losers rapidly approaching their “Use By” date. Then what?
And certain commenters are trying to make Elin look like a whore…marrying for money. If she married him for money, she wouldn’t have been angry enough to domestically abuse him and go after him with a golf club.
It’s also obvious that Tiger is a race whore. He’ll phyck kinky haired dark brunette women but he’ll only breed with the whitest white girl he can find, to lighten up his kids as much as possible. He’s a racist.
Here I am, a Christian woman who “saved it for marriage” (hubby and I have a running gag about how I made him do things in the right order), and yet… I find “sex workers” somehow less pathetic than many a modern, “sexually emancipated” woman. Anyone else ever feel like this?
Prostitutes and porn-stars at least have no illusions about what they’re doing. The work they do is immoral, sure, but lust springs eternal: As Shakespeare said, it is impossible to extirp it quite, till eating and drinking be put down. And
if you’re working an immoral trade,
you may as well get paid.
I dislike pornography, but honestly, I find Cosmpolitan Magazine creepier than Playboy. Is it just me?
We live in a time where women have so lost touch with the power of “no” that there are men who’ll pay a dominatrix big bucks to *deny* them sexual gratification. Paying for sex is a feature of all cultures, but has any other culture ever had men who’ll pay for women to NOT have sex with them?
Interesting times…
Good point. Thanks for this piece.
1. A positive interpretation of the new double standard is that we are still shaking out the new roles for women that technology makes possible, and a sensible equilibrium will eventually emerge. A negative interpretation is that we are viewing the flaunted decadence of a society in denial about its decline. Time will tell.
2. While my orientation toward drugs, sex or whatnot is libertarian, that does not mean I approve of drug abuse or promiscuity. Just because government force should not be applied to make something illegal does not make that thing moral.
3. Speaking of contrasts with his former lovers: Tiger Woods is taking an indefinite leave from golf to attempt to restore his marriage. “It may not be possible to repair the damage I’ve done, but I want to do my best to try.”
After his infidelity was exposed, Eliot Spitzer resigned as governor; he remains married. Mark Sanford clung to his position; his wife just filed for divorce. Coincidence?
It’s interesting what we have become as a society. Feminazi’s at their best…
#40 !!! good post!!! totally agree…”use by” date!!! yes!!!
Men who idolize other men who are inevitably whores themselves and help to monetarily foster their careers by buying into their endorsements and making them rich beyond belief is part of the problem too. Scratching your balls and watching men payed to play with balls for big moula is retarded. These males aren’t exactly brain surgeons so the whole idea to paint them out to be great family men or anything else is patently a joke on you and your gullibility to idol worship a whole lot of stupidity coupled with the absence of morality.
The women who played fast and loose with tiger (including paid ‘escorts’) are most certainly disgusting but it is Tiger Woods’ moral compass and penis that was the ultimate decider of his own fate. Men like Tiger know women like this only want a quickie for their money and that their sad sexual lack of anything even remotely resembling ‘prowess’ is nothing to brag about and so they figure they will gladly pay someone or coerce someone or even drug someone to bust a nut and be told they are ‘great’ for a hot, sleazy minute even if he eventually contracts AIDS, HERPES, HPV, Gonorrhea etc. etc.
That being said, I’m sure women in committed relationships obviously cheat too (hence the invention of paternity tests). So, does that mean monogamy is an epic fail? Should everyone be led by their most base, animal urges? Should everyone throw caution to the wind and spread rampant STDs while screwing anything with a pulse and a warm crotch because it ‘feels’ good? Why have morals at all? Sodom and Gomorrah here we come! No wonder so many people came out in support of that rapist creep Roman Polansky.
Yes, we make mistakes. Yes, we are all sinners. Yes, nobody is perfect but for F*CK’s sake at least TRY to make an effort for the sake of society!
The thesis here is understood. However, I kinda wish you’d left the hos’ names out of your article.
It’s perfectly obvious that both Tiger and his wife have taken their marriage vows seriously. Otherwise, there would not have been a blow-up or an accident, or a gracious statement by Tiger defending his wife. And it is also perfectly obvious that some sluts would dearly love to get some money by doing harm to her, to him, and to their children. The hostility of these women is palpable.
Let’s not give the trash a pass. Give it anonymity. The sooner, the better. Cut off the money they can get for trying to wreck somebody’s (imperfect) marriage.
Dave M. nailed it at 5:40 am. Period. Nothing more to say.
#40 kentuckyliz:
It’s also obvious that Tiger is a race whore. He’ll phyck kinky haired dark brunette women but he’ll only breed with the whitest white girl he can find, to lighten up his kids as much as possible. He’s a racist.
Oh, bull. Are you saying that a man is allowed to prefer a height range, bust size, and hair color in a woman, but not allowed to prefer a skin tone?
I quess all the b–ches have forgotten the other part of the vows. ” For better or for worse, till death us do part”. Feninists and women in general think that part of the vows is fine to ignore. Men will be men, and it’s about time women figured it out. Using sex to control your husband results in him finding what he needs elswhere. Get with it, marriage does have consequences.
This has had way, way too much publicity.
I don’t give a rat’s ass what he or the bimbos do.
I really apreciate Pajamas Media-particularly Richard Fernandez, Roger Simon and Victor Davis Hanson. However, I thought this article was a satire. All shocked and tut tut tut.
How long has this been going on with tiger before we(and his wife?) hearing about this?? Most happily married women roam around thinking everything is fine, having NO idea the husband is having fun on the side!!!! I mean any kind of fun, a gf, prostitute, strip club happy ending, office hook up, ect….
So to be honest i have trouble believing many of the married women coming down so hard on either Wood or his many flings. They prolly have no idea whats going on in there back yard!!! And trust me it happens A LOT more than they think!!
It’s nature, women want to nest down, men want to spread the seed. Men NEED sex! We can control it, but some with higher testosterone have a much harder time. Throw in the fact that many men dont have sex at home often enough, for what ever reason, and you get them getting it somewhere else.
So again, many women think we men are simple(yes we are) BUT our urges are constantly put to the test…urges that are VERY different from theirs.
There is a reason that prostitution is the oldest profession. Having some Orwellian concept of the 50′s with leave it to beaver is total BUNK.
Those married men from the 50′s or what ever yr just got away with it more because the women were more in dark(not working, ect..). And i think for many their marriages were better for it. The urges were satisfied. I know many here would disagree…thats cool..thats why its called OP.
Just remember ladies, no matter if your totally secure in your marriage, so were others before they found about the cheating……
BTW..as another side not…I think being Sexually compatible(same likes, drive, ect..) is VERY VERY important and needs to be found out BEFORE you get married.
# 9 pelaut:
I love your posts, but disagree with this one.
Ms Woods was a model for a very short time–a few months–and didn’t like it. The picture is more complicated and interesting. She has a degree in child psychology from Lund University and was a nanny to a Swedish golfer when she was introduced to Woods. She comes from a leftist prominent political family in Sweden. Mother was Immigration Minister, dad was a journo and self-confessed “revolutionary” in the 60s. They talked politics and social justice at dinner, learning was stressed as essential. Twin sister is a lawyer. Apparently, Ms Woods has spare tastes and doesn’t like being a celebrity wife. I don’t remember seeing her among the “jet set,” seated by the catwalk at any fashion show.
It all looks like a typical Lutheran progressive background. Woods is multi-racial, you might say the poster-child of successful racial integration advanced by progressive thinking in the 60s and 70s. Ms Woods must have heard a lot of white guilt talk at the dinner table. Add to that the prospect of children, multi-racial children with Woods…
So I’m not sure it’s as simple as she did it “for the money.” Lutherans have a strange, guilt-ridden relation with material wealth, combined with a stern work ethic. The Nordegren kids were asked to do menial work around the house, day-in, day-out.
@ 53:
Yeah, sexual compatibility is important, but you don’t, y’know, need to have actual sex before marriage to figure out whether your future spouse is hot for you or not.
My hub and I were able to tell through hugs and kisses and longing looks. The very fact that he desired me even though I withheld sex showed me how much he wanted me.
This girl, at least, went into marriage as a virgin and I think it’s no accident that we have a steamy marital life together. He wants me bad enough that he’s willing to adapt to my tastes, and as I was a blank slate to begin with, it’s not hard for me to adapt to his tastes. It works pretty well.
I always thought it odd that the Cosmo Girl version of ‘empowerment’ thru promiscuity was utterly indistinguishable from a campaign to set up women for exploitation by men who don’t respect them.
About sympathy for Elin…
Tiger’s behavior , as more has been revealed, is sooo much for so long and with so many, that — while you have to give her the benefit of a doubt — it is quite possible that Elin had some inkling and looked the other way as long as he didn’t publicly humiliate her (as has happened).
It is apparently a common enough pattern, its too nice being “Mrs. X” (in a way that being ‘the former Mrs. X-on-alimony isn’t).
Hell, Hillary did it, and even after being humiliated she didn’t kick Clinton to the curb, in one of the more brazen acts of political calculation I’ve ever seen.
dayum! Some of you ‘men’ on here have obviously NEVER heard of a clitoris (women can be lead by their own pleasure purpose dicks too). If you fellas fail in bed (as always), the wife will eventually grow tired of your minute-man ‘love-making’ laugh-a-second and if SHE ain’t ‘giving’ it to YOU then where do you think SHE is getting it from? Spreading your seed with the dirty deed is your ‘excuse’? How’s that workin’ out for ya? You still have to pay for the children you have in the marriage even if they ain’t yours, brah, so you might want to practice up on your mad ‘skillz’ in da marital bed. Just sayin’. Does it really feel good for the ol’ self-esteem to be bangin’ a brawd who is using you for money and faking all the orgasms so you’ll hurry up for the next guy in line?
Really now, boys! Tsk. Tsk.
It’s also obvious that Tiger is a race whore. He’ll phyck kinky haired dark brunette women but he’ll only breed with the whitest white girl he can find, to lighten up his kids as much as possible. He’s a racist.
Says kentukyliz who thinks that he has to breed with another non-caucasian in order to be…what? Loyal to people of color? An authentic black man? Stay on the People of Color plantation?
The one with the racist attitude about his choice in women isn’t Tiger Woods.
Eugene Robinson’s commentary linked in Mary’s article must be the most innane and hillarious in The Washington Post’s history.
The whole affair comes down “affirmative action” in bed! Cheat all you want, if you need to, but do it with some dark-skinned, broad-nosed, short-haired sistahs too. Why should white bimbos only reap all the benefits of sleeping with celebrities?
I’m surprised Mr Robinson didn’t suggest a black cocktail waitress sue Mr Woods for racial discrimination (Title 7 comes to mind, since Las Vegas clubs are work places.)
Is anybody sane left at The Washington Compost?
Jenny #21 @ 8:12 OK, so they aren’t married, they weren’t cheating and thus shouldn’t be ashamed. We’ll call them whores and leave it at that.
A lot of posters seem to pine for a return to the days of puritans. Thank goodness a man can do something if he wants with willing women. No one forced anyone to do anything. Elin can do what she choses too. The only real losers are the commercial endorsment companies and Tiger for indiscretely and carelessly associating with less women whose idea of class must be brushing their teeth. The real winner: Ashly Dupree from the Spitzer affair, the woman who showed more class than any of Tiger’s loose-lipped, classless mistresses.
They’re getting a pass because we don’t really care about them.
They’re not getting billions of dollars in endorsements, or being presented as role models for kids. We don’t know anything about their marital status or whether they have kids, and we don’t really care. They’re nonentities.
They are getting a pass because the mendacious Pravda Media is giving them a pass. Real People all over think the women are bimbos. It is the media who police themselves and others and prevent anyone from being able to make a public statement that these women, whether naive waitresses or calculating softcore working girls, are bimbos.
Without the world wide web and the undermedia that has grown up in the shadows of the progressive Pravda Media and its self-destruction, we would never be able to have this conversation in public. As this progressive distortion becomes obvious even to Democrats it will be the final twist of the knife that bankrupts and finishes off the progressive dominated press.
Mary,
You say:
“At one time prostitutes and loose women would have been condemned. And so would the cheating man, especially by members of his community and church.”
Boy, are you wrong on this one. It doesn’t do the “conservative movement” to distort reality.
At that “one time” (how convenient for you to skirt a more accurate historical analysis) most women who prostituted themselves did it out of sheer need to survive. Historians call them “surplus” women who had no money, no trade/education/skills or hope of marrying or had been widowed. In Catholic/Eastern Orthodox countries many surplus women took to the convent or were dedicated to them by their parents. Same for some boys with no hope of inheritance/prospects/money. Other boys went into trades and more or less legitimate professions, lawyer, doctor, pastor, trader, printer, mariner, soldier/mercenary, jailer, scrivener, highway robbers, you name it. A whole new world was open to these gentlemen without a fortune.
How do you teach, as an English professor, Defoe’s “Moll Flanders,” “born in Newgate, and during a life of continu’d Variety for Threescore Years, besides her Childhood, was Twelve Year a Whore, five times a Wife (whereof once to her own brother), Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon in Virginia, at last grew Rich…”
Being a “whore” was one of the very limited choices for destitute women in England back then. No nunneries to go to.
Defoe was a “feminist” avant la lettre, as well as a liberal in the classical sense.
As a Virginian, I’m tickled and honored that I might enjoy the fruits of a “whore” like Moll’s sweat and tears.
Oh come on….. rich famous guy has sex with tons of gold-digging slappers. Where’s the story?
He’s an a**hole for breaking his marriage vows and they are your bog-standard tramps who have sex for financial gain.
It’s tough on the wife but come on…..she didn’t marry him because of his sense of humour. Her own gold-digging career was always going to come to an end. Anyone who plays “shocked” at these events are either a) complete liars or b) ……actually there isn’t a “b)”.
Most of the comments in response to to the notion of women actually getting a pass proves this point as false. Every day people do care about standards. I read an article today by a professor of psychology who wrote about how these kind of incidents are good in that they cause a lot of discussion about morals and standards and actually reinfoce socially aceptable behavior.
The women are not getting a pass they are mocked and demeaned. But I agree with an earlier writer. Nobody’s talking about the Swedish ho who married him for his money and is staying with him for MORE monery.
Woods has a definite type and his little woman at home is just one of them.
The moral agreement was between Mr. and Mrs. Woods. There was no agreement between Mrs. Woods and the other women. Mr. Woods broke his oath and his promise; he alone betrayed his trust.
There is always going to be temptation, especially for people like Mr. Woods. (Bill Clinton bragged about “hundreds” of women.) The individual women are trivial; there will always be another. The point is to find a partner in your life that will keep his/her word. (Mayor Richard Daily, the father, was once asked why he didn’t “fool around”. His reply was that if his wife couldn’t trust him, how could all of the crooked politicians and criminals in his political machine trust him?)
In Doctor Zhivago, a telling scene is played out between Lara and Komarovsky. Komarovksy says there are two kind of men, one kind is high minded, pure, and people pretend to honour him, but in truth he is despised. The second kind is not as high minded, and not as pure. And the same goes for women.
There are people who get away with inhumanity for so long, that if even the slightest resemblance of it comes the way of the person, the inhumanity is dealt with in a most thorough manner. Some women saw this, and concluded that it wasn’t worth their time to civilize these bullies. So, instead of trying to make their man a better person, they, or their children, give up trying to make him more human.
Plus, there is the matter of conflicting standards. It is very easy for men to follow the path of Sidney Hook and Antonio Gramsci, instead of Mortimer Adler, because what does not change is seen as a threat because the man is reminded time and again of
his mistakes.
So, what we have is blame for plenty of people, and frankly too much fear to break out of the status quo.
@ hattip: “emma , Nonsense! it takes two to commit adultery.”
Exactly. So take Tiger out of the equation and voila – no adultery.
@ “Yes, the skanks and whores in this matter should not escape notice”
No indeed! Maybe we could make them wear a scarlet letter on their chest. Or hell, let’s just stone them to death and be done with it.
@ “Emma – you are way off base with your feminist exoneration of the women, and your feminist assertion of ‘man as aggressor’.”
If I were a man I’d be insulted to know that people thought I was so weak-minded that I could only remain faithful if women weren’t willing to put out for me. Is it even “being faithful” when you have no other choice?
@ “…However, I thought this article was a satire. All shocked and tut tut tut.”
I had to read it twice to be sure myself. And even then I was still kind of expecting a “gotcha!” follow-up.
He made a promise and broke it- it’s therefor totally his fault. They knew he had made a promise, and let him (possibly encouraged him) to break it- it’s all their fault.
Truth is, it’s the promise that matters.
If Mrs Woods had been willing to accept her husbands adventures, for whatever reason seemed good to her, then there wouldn’t be a problem.
But the existence of a marriage indicates that she wasn’t (I seem to recall that “forsaking all others” is part of the standard vows). Hence the “ladies” concerned knew that they were involved in the breach of a vow- and hence that they were in the wrong (with him)
# 66 Tony R.:
Watch your grammar, mooncalf boy: “Anyone who plays ‘shocked’ … is…”, not “are.”
Nobody has a right to mangle basic English–unless you are a gold-digging whore or a super-rich whatever. I guess you are neither.
WHY ARE TIGER’S WOMEN GETTING A PASS?
Perhaps because they aren’t married with 2 small children. And they aren’t paid 100 million per year because of their image.
The whole story is a very bad look. Women (or men) who go on TV to make some cash telling stories about somebody famous they bonked are about the lowest form of life I can imagine.
That said, I really just don’t care about any of the story itself. I don’t know the woodses, so I figure it’s none of my business.
Skimming through the comments, I did not see anyone remark that Tiger could be suffering from sexual addiction. He may not even realize he has it. Once the addiction “sets in”, it is almost impossible to be “cured” of it.
If he does have the addiction, the best thing for him to do would be to take the “leave of absence” he is planning. In fact, if I were him, I would wait until I was 50 years old and eligible for the Seniors before returning to the game. That way, his children would be grown up and he and Elin would be “empty nesters” and she could join him on the tour.
Wives who know their husbands are S.A’s are a source of great help to their husbands by keeping suggestive material out of the house and out of reach of their husbands. They can be a screen to keep their husbands from getting material in front of them that might give them unnecessary thoughts relevant to their problem. Of course, the husband is going to have to be responsible for excessive fantasizing which could lead him into trouble again.
All we can do is hope for the bast for Tiger. If he were to come into an eternal relationship with Jesus Christ, it would enhance his chances for “soberity’ just that much more.
It’s so silly. Like all those feminists — boo hoo — who are going to wind up alone. Jenny Sanford is alone now, too. Lots of conservative women get abandoned by their men who are shopping for younger blow-up dolls. It’s not merely a byproduct of feminism.
Goal #25, 26, and 40 of the “45 Declared goals for the Communist Takeover of America”. Wake up folks.
Why does the Tiger Woods story matter? It is because the public image of Tiger Woods was a manufactured image, and it would not have lasted as long as it did if members of the press had not protected him. A similar situation occurred with John Kennedy, who was hailed as a young, athletic family man when he was in fact troubled with a serious back problem and was constantly whoring around. Ted Kennedy and John Edwards are two others whose manufactured images were protected by the press. How many other public figures with manufactured images are being protected by the press? How much of what we think we know about people is in fact public relations spin?
There is one racist aspect that this story has exposed: the double standard concerning interracial relationships.
Put simply, when was the last time pop media in the USA portrayed a Caucasian male with a brown-skinned female?
Having been in such a relationship once upon a time, I know there are such. Odds are good that mine wasn’t the only one ever to be. But the mass media, with their own “three strikes” mentality (white, male, Christian) prefers that I just go away.
If tiger chased and hit his wife with a golf club be would still be in jail. Billionaires who cares let drop it
“At one time prostitutes and loose women would have been condemned”….
Now they can visit an Acorn office in many major cities and get advice on how to set up a prossie business and import underage girls to be used as art forms! What a country.
Woods is married. He gets no pass. His fidelity to his wife is his own responsibility, even in the face of temptation. Tiger initiated each of these relationships which further damns him. He lured them with wealth, power, fame, charm and good looks. Some fell for it. Presumably, most did not. In any case, Tiger was a fallen man. None of these women caused him to fall. Yes, they’re whores for sleeping with a married man, but they’re not Jezebels. They did not lure him and cause him to fall. He did that himself. Rather, it is Tiger who lured these women to defile themselves.
Whores being whores does not an interesting story make. Fall from grace, now that’s a story. Tiger had fostered a clean image. His duplicity is the story. Nobody cares about a whore except to user her story t push Tiger deeper into his well deserved disgrace. Whores are a dime a dozen. Always have been. Always will be. And nobody cares.
“49. gernot:
I quess all the b–ches have forgotten the other part of the vows. ” For better or for worse, till death us do part”. Feninists and women in general think that part of the vows is fine to ignore. Men will be men, and it’s about time women figured it out. Using sex to control your husband results in him finding what he needs elswhere. Get with it, marriage does have consequences.”
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What a repugnant statement. It’s Tiger’s wife’s fault that he cheated with a multitude of women? Where do you get off making such an assumption that she used sex to control him?
Maybe somebody has covered this–I’m tired and may have missed it….
Which of the women (not his wife) in question took vows to remain true and all of that?
Maybe that makes a difference.
Why dont the MSM use all the investigative powers they have demonstrated that they DO have hunting down Tigers Bimbos and ANYTHING at all about Sarah Palin and find even ONE of the Obamanations HIDDEN documents. God knows there are literally HUNDREDS to choose from far more than there are Tiger BIMBOS or Palin skeletons . Or are they not interested in exposing the LYING Mohammedan BOGUS POTUS just running interference for him instead. Now theres a surprise.
ATTENTION All the answers to all these questions are RIGHT HERE:
http://problemwithwomentoday.blogspot.com/2009/12/problem-with-women-today-what-in-hell.html
49. The Bible is crystal clear on sex- sex is for marriage only, and spouses have a DUTY to please their partner. That also imposes a responsibility to communicate: if something isn’t working (not enough sex, too much, too bland, too kinky, whatever) SPEAK UP! Your spouse can’t read your mind, and so your spouse will remain ignorant until you say something. Failure to communicate can destroy your marriage and put you and/or your spouse at risk for adultery.
In an instance of sexual impropriety any woman involved MUST be viewed as a victim. Even if she is the perpetrator. Even if she is the only adult in the exchange.
It appears to me that the media is experiencing a strange satisfaction with the continuous Tiger bashing. Is it perhaps because they’re not allowed to do it to that other guy who has been compared to Tiger when he hit the scene ca. 2007?
I am such a believer in EQUALITY. I as a man see women SO AS EQUALS that I’m willing to be just as pissed at THEM as I would a GUY when they CHEAT!
Yet they get away with it.
In Divorce cases 80% of the time the women get custody of the kids EVEN IF SHE’S THE ONE WHO CHEATED! That’s outragious.
I think THESE DAYS women cheat more than men because they can get away with it, plus they are a lot more sneaky.
BOTH SEXES SHOULD GET SCORNED WHEN CHEATING. You wanna have sex, great I’m a conservative and have had fornication but I never cheated on a girlfriend and made sure the girl I was with WAS NOT MARRIED.
“Pornography and prostitution are now presented as forms of “sex work,” a legitimate line of work, with its own code of ethics.”
“At one time prostitutes and loose women would have been condemned.”
I frown at loose women, but don’t have a problem with prostitution. Prostitution should be legal, regulated and monitored. Crime and disease are drastically reduced and the workers have more security and they pay taxes. Perhaps even the number of sexual assaults would go down. Everybody wins. And if prostitutes have professional ethics and pride, then that is only a good thing.
How can anyone be expected to remain faithful when it’s raining whores. Feminists can no longer stand on the pedestal of being the weaker sex. They want all the freedom of enlightened sexuality, but none of the responsibility. Welcome to the “gutter”. You have finally achieved equal standing with men. Isn’t it great!!
You may be a conservative, but more fundamentally, you are a mammal.
Every mammalian species has at least some extra-pair copulations, what you are calling “cheating”.
I doubt very much you’d understand the utterly simple evolutionary genetic science behind it, but suffice it to say if there was no multi-mating there would be no pious virginal/chaste Christians to discuss the issue. We would all have been (sexually) out-competed by other species.
Even legally enforced monogamy as a concept was imposed, by force, on the polygamous Jews, God’s chosen people.
What he should’ve done was come out immediately and give a press conference and offer no apologies whatsoever. Tell peeples to mind they own bidness, and his private fambly bidness be hissown. So he be a freak! So what! It’s his money. He can pimp in high-style if he want to. And he proud of his freakness! Gonna keep hittin’ all dat VIP hostess stuff whenevah he can! Three and four at a time my ninjas! Yee-ahh bouy! Wife don’t like it? Den she got to go! Gatorade don’t like it–so what! Tiger drink Hennesy anyway! Hos want they munny? Ok den, but they gonna get freaky-deaky when Tiger say! And he gonna win some more Masters and PGA champeenships too ninjas–keepin’ that golf-hand strong and the munnies pilin’ up! So all ya’ll best stay out Tiger’s bidnazz!
–Then get right on that mansion yacht with about 15 topless hunnies and cruise off into the sunset–giving everybody the two handed bird.
I usually keep out of these kinds of issues, spending a lifetime in law enforcement gives me a pretty good street level perspective on prostitution at all levels. However, this time I’ve made a few comments, first defending Woods in this situation and then reversing once it came out he was doing this on a serial basis. So here goes some my final opinion.
First, as one commentator already pointed out, it is obvious Elin joined the PGA as a nanny in order to snag a rich golfer. Her background does not lend to a job as a au pair, yet there was, a part time bikini model, blonde, hot and in a position to follow the entire tour around the world so to be constantly in front of all those rich, young golfers- a perfect set up. Especially after Posner’s article exposing the HUGE system of getting young women for golfers that the PGA encouraged and covered up with the help of all the sponsors. (see my post- http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/12/07/tiger-woods-update-when-you-are-wrong-you-are-wrong/) Seriously, GOLF?! Who knew? Which also explains Clinton’s lifestyle after he retired!
So to be defending Elin because of Tiger’s digressions is a little disingenuous, especially when you see she gets 20 million for staying ten years (far more than what even a high end call girl gets) and now maybe upwards of eighty million. This is not including the money she has spent as Tiger’s wife. Trust me, that argument between Elin and Tiger of the women was not about the sanctity of marriage as it was a rich woman predator protecting her kill from other female predators. (If the provider is the man in the house and he were to add up all the money spent against all the sex and attention he got from his wife of a number of years he’d blow a gasket! As my buddy put it- “Don’t get out the calculator, if you do you’ll end up suicidal or doing twenty to life if they find the body!”)
This brings me to my second point- females making money off of men because they are females. Why is prostitution so popular and long lasting, and why to women hate it so? Without getting into the tall weeds here about the history of society, convenience, opportunities etc. let’s just be honest for second and keep it simple. I’ve seen all levels of prostitution, from the street level woman giving blow–bs for ten dollars for crack, to high end thousand dollar a night call girls. Is the business good for them? No. There is a cost for what they do. At the low end, that kind of prostitution is caused by drug addiction (so much for the “victimless” crime concept) and should be controlled. However, on the high end step back from the issue of legality and morality and study what the woman is doing. She is demanding payments for a service- which is guaranteed. In all seriousness, that service may be the only thing the man wants. He may not want marriage or kids. She may not want marriage or kids. (The only real reason for marriage is kids or companionship, and it fails fifty percent of the time!) She is beautiful but not willing to settle for one man. He is not willing to be tied down. So what are they to do? Be lonely? Be unsatisfied? Is that the penalty for being born in this society that would be controlled by certain preferred morals?
Here is another question- What is the difference between a girl who demands three dates, dinner, movie, a level of perceived commitment (set to that person’s individual tastes), before she sleeps with a man, and a woman who says “That will be five hundred dollars and you get “X” for it.” I hate to be crude here but I’ll bet every man who has dated reading this post is nodding their heads up and down, unless the wife is looking. What do long term commitments offer men in general? Sex (every time you want it)? Money? Security? Procreation? Love? Support? Now ask yourself what do long term commitments offer women? Sex(only when you want to give it) Money? (See Elin) Security? (See divorce laws in California) Procreation? (a driving instinct in women far more than in men) Love? (Yes, it can give you that, men-when in love- are true romantics) Support? (Who makes the money, fixes the house, mows the lawn, patches up the boo-boos and all around “is there” when the woman needs a hug.) Things get a little murkier when you start breaking down most marriages and long term relationships. One comedian stated that the only good reason for a marriage is that when you get old you’ll have someone there to drive you to the doctor. In a sense, that is probably the best reason for marriage, other than having kids, and that is having someone there in the end to still care- maybe. I’ve seen fifty year marriages with weekend “I hate you” fights still going on. So, not all is well with that either.
For thousands of years women were taught by their mothers and society to trade their bodies for marriage, which brought them the entire list above. G. Gordon Liddy read lines from an old marriage guide handbook issued to women (Methodist I think) getting married circa 1890′s. Tears of laughter came from my eyes when he read the passages of how to get a man and then secure him like a steer to a fence post, until I said, “Hey wait a minute!” Here are some- 1. You must submit to your husband on the first night, even if you don’t want to. Allow him to touch you below your waist, but do not pull up your night shirt to expose anything else because that might excite him too much. 2. Do not act excited as that might encourage him. 3. After the first month, you can cut him back to once a week, then you can cut him back to once a month. After the children are born, you can stop altogether as he commitment will be to the children.
And you wonder why men had mistresses!!!
If you look at male/female relationships in this light, you can see the advantage of paying for services guaranteed- at the high end. The women have a product, the men want to buy the product, no other strings attached (of course, the man must know that if a chance to make money off of the relationship shows up there is that risk of exposure. They are, after all, prostitutes.)
Getting back to Tiger and Elin. Here’s the deal. She got into the relationship with her eyes open, along with her pocketbook, so I’m not getting to worked up about her. Tiger, and apparently every golfer in the PGA, were whoring around like it was a side job. (Again- GOLF!! Who knew!!) The whole PGA/corporate sponsor/willing girls looking for a hookup or a husband were in on it. Remember, the girls know that to be on the tour you have to make a half million dollars a year at least and get to travel and a lot of free stuff. So, imagine the target rich environment this offers, full of clean, smart, rich, healthy, men. Hmmm… and we are mad at Tiger’s girlfriends? For what exactly??
The author of this piece does make a valid point about the decline of society in general, but I think she is off base on the argument about men/women relationships and the role that mistresses and high end call girls play in it. For example, I had an old man, fairly well off, who was in his seventies. Too old for any younger woman to take seriously as a mate, mentally too young for any woman of his age to take seriously, yet who actually like to have sex with and the companionship of a younger woman. He was a widow, and had no desire to seek another relationship with a woman to replace the one he had. So, in the author’s world he would be destined to be lonely, frustrated, and isolated. In his world, he paid for a service, got that service, and was content. The woman was paid for her service and did not have to continue the relationship beyond what she wanted. They kept it up for several years, no harm, no foul (that I could see), and on occasion she cooked dinner and cleaned up the house.
Is the world of high end call girls just business? Yes. It is not “Pretty Woman” by any means, but they are humans and adults and make the choice to trade their best asset for cash. The buyer pays for the time spent together and the services provided, asking no more. Charlie Sheen said it best when confronted with his name being in Heidi Fleiss’s book. He said, (and I’ll paraphrase and shorten the comments for the readers here) “You have to remember, I don’t pay women to arrive, I pay them to go.”
It’s business. It was Elin’s business, her rivals business and Tiger’s business. And we should let it be just that.
Tiger Woods was unfaithful. He will have to deal with that fallout. My sympathy lies with his wife and children and not with Woods. But as to these opportunistic women who already have cut big money deals with attorneys – do we even know if all of these women really were involved with Woods? At this point any woman could claim to have been with Woods truth or not, get a couple of thousands of dollars and get away with it…Tiger Woods did wrong. But what these women are doing now, basking at the attention, grabbing with both hands money is nauseating.
Getting back to Tiger and Elin. Here’s the deal. She got into the relationship with her eyes open, along with her pocketbook, so I’m not getting to worked up about her. Tiger, and apparently every golfer in the PGA , were whoring around like it was a side job
A lifetime in law enforcement didn’t teach you not to play fast and loose with the facts? Your theory would be that any woman who marries a guy with money deserves what she gets. Pathetic.
archer52,
Your comment certainly gave me a different perspective on Elin. And the rest of your comment is pretty much spot on except for two things. First is to barely mention the importance of children to marriage. Why did Tiger marry Elin? He could have just lived with her or just kept her as a well funded girlfriend. But I think he wanted children. In order to give his children the kind of life that he grew up with, he would get married. Now, obviously Tiger did the wrong thing the wrong way because he didn’t understand that one’s committment in marriage to one’s wife is also one’s committment to their children. How many people do you know that, even as an adult, still suffer the soul crushing damage by their father (or mother) leaving them? The scars of divorce are all around us. Does anyone not think that Tiger’s children will be deeply affected by this? That is what so many men don’t seem to get. You damage your children by your own selfishness(yes, and women too, just not as often).
Which brings to the second point. In the Catholic faith marriage is one of the seven sacraments. That is another belief that has been discarded in the age of anything goes. Marriage is sacred. We have forgotten that. If we treated it as if it were, then there wouldn’t be a 50% divorce rate.
Into this sacrament comes our greatest gifts, our children. To love them as they deserve, we must commit ourselves to our spoouse. It won’t always be easy, but it is always worth it. All the things you mentioned in your excellent comment is the antithesis of that.
Basically Tiger illustrates all that is wrong with our society in regard to marriage. From the way he viewed marriage. To his choice of spouse and her choice of him. To his selfish desires, to the women who sell themselves to married men.
It’s a sad sad commentary on our culture.
They’re whores.
I must be crazy, but is there anyone left alive who thinks that Tiger by having sex with so many different women, played Russian Roulette with his and his wife’s health? I’m not talking about golf club injuries here.
“Oddly, young women, at least after the age of sexual maturity, are more likely to develop autoimmune diseases than are young men. On average, women’s immune systems fail to discriminate between what is self and what is not self about five times more often than men’s immune systems do. About five times more often, a women’s immune system fails to notice that her knees are not her enemy, that she cannot live without her kidneys, that her skin is her ally. About five times more often a women’s immune system systematically dismantles a human body. Ten to twenty women develop systemic lupus erythematosis for every man who gets the disease, three to five women for every man with rheumatoid arthritis, three women for every man with scleroderma; same for multiple sclerosis, five times more women get Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, and young men rarely get AITP.”
This from the book on what immunology can teach us…. “Faith, Madness, and Spontaneous Human Combustion” by Gerald Callahan PH.D.
He basically says that whoever you touch becomes a part of your immune system– for better or for worse. Maybe this is why God recommends fidelity in marriage relationships.
and woods is the whoremonger…
archer52:
Like Terry Gain said at # 98, service in law enforcement seems to have taught you zilch in terms of discriminating between fact/evidence and inference/opinion/speculation/hearsay.
How would “it is obvious Elin joined the PGA as a nanny in order to snag a rich golfer. Her background does not lend to a job as a (sic) au pair…” pass in front of a smart judge? How “obvious” is it? What facts can you deploy to support your opinion? You can’t.
Elin’s background is in child psychology, she has a BA in it. Besides, Swedish female students are well known for doing au pair work all over the world. It’s a rite of passage of sorts over there. And they are damned good at it.
With all due respect, sir, you come across as a dogmatic simpleton, with little education, and heavy female/prostitute/sexual issues of your own. I’d love to know your history with them.
Archer52 at 96:
Your post is why most people, even right wing people, roll their eyes when cops start pontificating to normal people (who cops often call “civilians,” like a traffic ticket writer is some hardened military dude).
Allow me to enlighten you: ONE: Elin is the wife; she is entitled to respect and fidelity, not sneaky adultry. She is also the mom. Neither wife nor mom signed on as a mere plaything. That’s why Elin became the wife. Get it? TWO: there is a huge diffrence between women who do it for money right away and those that wait three dates: the former are blabbing to the press now, with all the class of a service station toilet in a small town, and the latter is Elin who is acting like a wife and mom. THREE, even I–after a bitter divorce–can distinguish between a wife and a skank. One I like waking up with, and will introduce to my kids, the other I don’t even want to be seen with. Why can’t you see this?
I disagree with the author on one point: Ashly Dupree did not “bring down” Spitzer. The feds found him in a money laundering investigation and someone leaked his name to the papers. Ashley Dupree did not run to the papers like Tiger’s “friends.”
Prostitution is basically masturbating yourself with someone else’s body and paying for it. It’s dehumanizing, degrading and pathetic and men who use women in this way will never be able to have a meaningful relationship with one because they will always think of women as a ‘c_m dumpster’ rather than an individual with feelings and needs and deserving of respect.
As far as men seeking affairs/paramours because they aren’t getting enough sex at home, keep in mind that a woman is just as sexual as a man and in fact has an apparatus that achieves more powerful orgasms than a penis (called a clitoris) and if a man ignores that very important part of a woman’s anatomy, then a woman will lose interest in sex real fast. Can you imagine going through your whole marriage and NEVER having an orgasm? And you men complain about not getting ‘enough’ sometimes? Have a little sympathy and learn about the female body. She was made to enjoy sex even moreso than you because a clitoris is for nothing BUT her pleasure, in fact, if anything it would be women running around more than men if they aren’t ‘pleased’ in the bedroom.
Also, for you men trying to use the lame excuse that your urges are about ‘spreading your seed’, then that doesn’t explain oral sex or sodomy or sex with women who are clearly not going to have a child with you.
Give it up guys. Some of YOU are SKANKS.
The women were opportunists, certainly, but Tiger Woods is the married man, so he is to blame for being unfaithful.
As for the idea that there is a new double standard, don’t make me laugh – not while Heather Mac Donald and her ilk live and breathe. And that’s just in the West. In non-Western countries, women are, without exception, treated like shit. Feminism got us out of that. And Mary Grabar has benefited from the sacrifices feminists made, but takes them totally for granted.
@ “How can anyone be expected to remain faithful when it’s raining whores.”
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Thanks so very much Mary Grabar for legitimizing this kind of crap. I look forward to your articles on why women should be more subservient in order to avoid domestic violence, and how to lengthen your hemlines so that you don’t accidentally turn a normal man into a rapist.
What I’d like to know is how many of these skanks have venereal disease(s). I mean you can’t sleep around that much and be 100% healthy.
# 106 Eroscillator:
If only all the problems between men and women in history could come down to more attention to that lovely button….
Anyway, thanks for a fresh, truthful, disinhibited perspective. I blush writing this, but militating for a good female orgasm is not deserving of any of the sarcasm that might be coming your way as a result of this post…
# 108 Emma:
Spot on. Please allow me to repeat what I wrote about “whores” on an earlier post.
Grabar wrote: “At one time prostitutes and loose women would have been condemned. And so would the cheating man, especially by members of his community and church.”
I replied: “Boy, are you wrong on this one. It doesn’t do the “conservative movement” [any good] to distort reality.
At that “one time” (how convenient for you to skirt a more accurate historical analysis) most women who prostituted themselves did it out of sheer need to survive. Historians call them “surplus” women who had no money, no trade/education/skills or hope of marrying or had been widowed. In Catholic/Eastern Orthodox countries many surplus women took to the convent or were dedicated to them by their parents. Same for some boys with no hope of inheritance/prospects/money. Other boys went into trades and more or less legitimate professions, lawyer, doctor, pastor, trader, printer, mariner, soldier/mercenary, jailer, scrivener, highway robbers, you name it. A whole new world was open to these gentlemen without a fortune. How do you teach, as an English professor, Defoe’s “Moll Flanders,” “born in Newgate, and during a life of continu’d Variety for Threescore Years, besides her Childhood, was Twelve Year a Whore, five times a Wife (whereof once to her own brother), Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon in Virginia, at last grew Rich…”
Being a “whore” was one of the very limited choices for destitute women in England back then. No nunneries to go to. Defoe was a “feminist” avant la lettre, as well as a liberal in the classical sense. As a Virginian, I’m tickled and honored that I might enjoy the fruits of a “whore” like Moll’s sweat and tears.”
The whores were the ones who dated Clinton. Tiger’s women, like Bob Packwood’s and others, are helpless heroines being exploited by a wealthy, powerful man. Remember, Clinton’s women only came forward to help the religious right destroy the savior of Medicare.
As for the color of Tiger’s women, he seems to prefer white girls regardless. Supposedly this has hurt his standing in the Black community, though he already was on thin ice with them for refusing to call himself Black (and thereby deny his mother’s Asian heritage) the way Obama does (denying a white mother’s heritage is less dangerous politically). Fact of the matter is that white women, and especially blonds, tend to be universally attractive. I saw a book on the internet the other day titled “How to date a White Woman: A Practical Guide for Asian Men” believe it or not. Black men, especially successful ones like O.J., Tiger Woods, and Ice-T all have the same thing in common: they wind up marrying hot blonds. I can remember an interview with (I think it was…) Jim Brown many years ago, where he discussed how in his mind, if he could have sex with a white woman, that was the ultimate thumb in the eye to the racists who had oppressed him.
These women are the ultimate trophy wives. Tiger’s, and O.J.’s, of course, were supposed to tolerate their spouses fooling around, though neither actually did tolerate it. I guess Tiger got out of it cheap enough, even if the marriage collapses…O.J.’s solution wasn’t anywhere near as pleasant.
TO: Mary Jackson & Emma, et al.
RE: Heh
Try NOT to be such a feminista. There’s blame enough for everyone in this mess. All gender aside.
The point of fact is that not one of these sorry examples of humanity have the least regard for anyone but their selfish selves.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The proof is in. The proof is WHEN, your heart starts asking, "What's my motivation?" -- Newsboys, Shine]
Pelto at 113: The exceptionally dense find equality of fault when a cop and thieves share stolen goods. The more discerning find the cop more at fault because he, more than they, swore not to do that. When a spouse cheats, especially with not one but 13 people, is not “equal fault all around.” The classless way in which the non-sife women are conducting themselves is separate from Tiger Woods’ decision to become a serial adulterer. I thought, by the way, we had been mercifully delivered from your pestiferous posts, and those dangling end comments. How did you get back in here?
bye bye tiger.
Sad that he is such a grand talent with a restless wiener.
The kids at school will never let his children live this down. Sad
Try NOT to be such a feminista. There’s blame enough for everyone in this mess. All gender aside.
The point of fact is that not one of these sorry examples of humanity have the least regard for anyone but their selfish selves
Of course, and if it had been the woman who was married with kids, she, rather than her lovers would be principally to blame. It is the person who has promised to be faithful who is at fault more than the person who has made no such promise.
wow..the media has sunk their fangs into this one.
I think perhaps.. only Charles Manson has gotten so much negative coverage..or the Oklahoma bomber.. Jack the Ripper or the bombing of the World Trade Center.. think if we catch him he’ll get the death sentence?
This whole thing is disgusting with the coverage it has gotten. Bet Obama is thankful
Tiger I hope you are reading this. White women don’t play when it comes to money. They are about the cash. big time! Just ask Strahan, Kobe, or any other swirling celeb.
pssst :if you decide to swirl you gotta break them women off a brick. Give your wonder bread women some stacks and you will be neck deep kitty kat with no drama. – Naz “HIDUP BERANI UNTUK GAGAL”
Most cultural libertarians treat marriage as badly as well. Given a choice between honoring the agreement that married couples make to one another and immediate sexual autonomy, they almost always defend the latter, not the former. “Home-wrecking” gets support from many angles in our society, including from groups that should be condemning it.
I read your comments and agree with some. Yes, the real victims here are the children, and no I do not excuse Tiger for his actions. However, it does not take away from the truths being exposed by the- now paying attention- media. And I should say, without condition, that if the woman is the rich one or the breadwinner and the guy is along for the ride, the same goes for not getting out the calculator! Nothing irritates me more than a man not pulling his weight while the woman struggles with children, a house and a job.
I’m not arguing about the children here, I agree that alone should have made Woods toe the line. As a father he should have made the sacrifice for them and I think it does show one of his weaknesses. I’m trying to stay on topic with the “wronged wife” syndrome that we see in these posts and in other places. The point I am making is simple; Elin knew the score going in, prospered by agreeing to the 20 million dollar pre-nup (what does that say about true love and commitment that has been “wronged” by Wood’s actions??) and now is agreeing or may be agreeing to “work on their marriage” for another sixty million? That is an eighty million dollar payday. Or if you want, think of it this way. As “Cristina” points out Elin had a BA in child psychology. A child psychologist averages around $60,000.00 annually. Ten years that is $600,000.00 gross. Elin was set to make twenty million for ten years. That’s thirty-three times her average salary over ten years. Again not to mention daily expenses paid for by Woods, and the now rumored sixty or so million more for staying.
Step back a second and take a look at the situation from a distance, without the emotion. Should men and women be faithful to marriage as an institution? Absolutely. But I have to ask “Kathleen” where does it fit in the sanctity of the marriage contract when one party is paid to stay with the other with cash into the millions? The second she signed that paper she became a pro. She did it with her eyes wide open too, because unknown to all of us in the public, Woods was apparently quite a player during that time. I didn’t know because of the huge cover up around him and the other golfers.
Which brings me to “Terry Gain” who comments that I made a mistake by including every golfer in the PGA as skirt chasers. I suggest Terry takes the time to read Posner’s piece. I didn’t say it, he did. Now if you want to split hairs and argue like lawyer, go ahead. But if the percentage is even ten or fifteen percent (I’m sure with the single players it is probably far higher), and not the entire group then fine, it is still far too high to go on without anyone figuring it out or saying something. Now think for a second. To keep this quiet you would have to get everybody on board! That means every PGA golf writer, sportscaster, caddies, drivers, luggage carriers, hotel management, and PGA official, not to mention the golfers themselves! At some point we get past Terry’s outrage that I spoke too freely with the facts and realize the scope of this event. Let me make it simple, if you he can show me twenty who didn’t and I can show you two thousand who did and/or knew about it but kept their mouths shut for cash- I win. This is the real world, not one I support, but one I recognize.
Also, I have to take some issue with Gain’s statement- “Your theory would be that any woman who marries a guy with money deserves what she gets. Pathetic.” If you read my post, I never said she married him with the money, but that she married him FOR the money. There is a huge difference here, if a man or a woman falls in love and the other person just happens to be rich, I fully support that. But, if the one marries the other FOR the money, all bets are off. It is a contract, a business deal, and if it goes south then so be it. The “wronged” party does not have a place to complain or argue because they agreed on a fee for just that possibility. When I think of these types of marriages I think of Donald Trump’s latest. Sure it could be love. Could be. Maybe. Who wouldn’t love a man with kind of comb over. I’m sure if Donald was a clerk at the local 7-11 and she came in for a coffee and their eyes met and… Especially if the woman is a top model from a foreign country… Sure.
As far as the health issue, I admit I missed that. That alone should have given Woods pause, it does millions every day. STDs are rampant in our society and we assume going in to the marriage neither had any.
Back to “Cristina” and her comments about my inability to discern between facts/fiction/etc. I agree I’m going on what is being reported, and surely some might be way off base, like Elin being a faithful wife for example. Would that change the argument?
Here is her quote-
“Elin’s background is in child psychology, she has a BA in it. Besides, Swedish female students are well known for doing au pair work all over the world. It’s a rite of passage of sorts over there. And they are damned good at it.”
I ask one thing from “Cristina”, provide me the names of three other women on the PGA that are Swedish au-pairs. (Excluding Elin and her twin sister who apparently did it for the same golfer and that was how they were introduced to Tiger.) I’m not doubting “Cristina” at all, just curious. If the Swedish women are such good au-pairs how do we know? Is there a website, an organization, a club to join? See, part of being a good cop is asking questions, and this is definitely interesting.
The question of how much Elin knew going in is crucial to how much we sympathize with her plight (her multi-million dollar settlement plight). We don’t know about any mention in the pre-nup on her side where she demanded Woods stop “whoring around” as some of you have put it here. It would have been good to see that. I would have at least said she stood up for something, instead of having a “where do I sign” eagerness. If she did truly love him, and that is possible, and he knew that, he is an especially bad cad. If it was business, then keep it there, as a contract violated, and pay the woman. The health risk he exposed her to is worth the fee. Just don’t whine about it.
“Greenberry” seems to have an equal issue with my post as my former profession. I am far beyond having to justify the difference between the police and the “civilians” Greenberry speaks of. Is there a difference? No, not really, beyond a good police officer has chosen to devote his/her life to the service of others and that includes giving up their lives if necessary. We also have accepted the risk of simply being a police officer and all the dangers it brings (See the recent Seattle shootings). We aren’t any smarter than some people, but surely smarter than others. Good cops have good common sense and a balanced perception towards what they see and experience. Bad cops are just idiots and should be and often are drummed out by the good ones.
That aside, there are a few cracks at my profession from people who obviously haven’t worked it. Fine. Just ask yourself the next time you hear what appears to be gunfire, are you going to get your keys, get in your car and drive towards it, hoping to stop anyone from being hurt? Or if the neighbor is beating his wife, are you going over there and stop him, risking your own life, or are you going to pick up your phone, dial 911 and tell someone like me to do it for you. I’m sure you in your profession had people try to kill you because of the suit your wore to work that day, or had to climb up the side of a building without safety restraints to catch a rooftop burglar, or had a knife stuck in your vest because you were trying to make an arrest, or had a man try to blow your head off because he was crazy and you happened to be at the wrong place and time, the only thing saving you was he “short stroked” when he pulled the slide back. Or I’m sure you had your narcotics unit leader pull you aside and tell you the gang you were breaking up (because they were violent and dangerous) was actively looking for your home so they could firebomb it and burn your pregnant wife to death inside. I’m sure you have that happen everyday, in your job. Like I said, I’m over trying to explain it to those willing to “look the other way” when trouble starts.
Just saying…
This article has drawn quite a bit of comment. There is no bottom line and no passes are given. The women involved were expensive and were paid in full. Each had a price. Each a whore. Tiger was clearly interested in discreet sexual encounters with no strings attached. There is no moment of fame here for anyone. IMHO it was a business agreement that dissolved his marital vows. In the end he will be the one screwed. He earned it.
Agreed. There is enough blame to go around. From the PGA and the sponsors who created his image, to the public who bought it hook line and sinker (including me), to the women, to the support group around him that didn’t pull him aside and say “DUDE! What are you doing!”, to his wife who HAD to know before the blow up. Apparently, we are up to sixteen women?! No way he hides that from her, not with the tight-knit group they operated within. There was a story that the Rachel woman said that he wanted to leave Elin for her. If there is any truth to that I wonder if that was the trigger. There had to be something.
No winners here, only losers and victims. I feel deeply for the children who just realized their dad isn’t who they thought he was. A home, even one filled with distrust between the parents, is still a home to a child who believes in fairies, Santa Claus, miracles and that everything will work out in the end.
Too bad.
96. What a dumb manual! Where did they ever get that one from? Certainly not the Bible! “Do not deprive one another of yourselves,” it says. “The bed undefiled in marriage is honorable above all,” it says. That sex manual sounds like it was written to kill emotion; only a fool would write such a thing!
Well, what have we learned here? Self control and discipline is fundamental to a marriage, and communication is equally fundamental. A man who cheats on his wife and a woman who cheats on her husband are both scum, as are any paramours who would woo a married person, or otherwise willfully get involved in a sexual relationship with someone who is married to another. So too, are Tiger’s agents scum for facilitating these trysts, even going so far as to recruit women to have sex with Tiger.
Of course the women are getting a pass in this women’s nation. This is what they want and a different narrative doesn’t sell.
Every day brings new attention to women going for the cashout merely for roguring some hapless male.
You’ve come a long way, baby.