You idiots put us trillions into debt to turn Iraq into an inferno and we have nothing to show for it. Nice work.

But, but, but, what about that stealing of the oil? You mean to say that didn’t occur? Wha? Wait!

Moho, the whole war effort was less than 1 trillion. Make sure you get your facts right. OTOH, The 0bamanation is going to run a deficit of 9 trillion dollars in the next 10 years. But we know that facts don’t matter to you do they?

Okay, okay, I’ll stop baiting the poor darlings, Sherab.

Here you go folks, part of what Oleg is talking about:

Secret Takeovers

Money quote:

“…quoting from a high-level Soviet Bloc defector named Jan Sejna, who explained: “Soviet ambitions towards the United States were aimed at the extinction of Capitalism and the ‘socialization’ of America…. The main strategic goals on the road to their fulfillment were: the withdrawal of the U.S.A. from Europe and Asia; the removal of Latin America from the United States’ sphere of influence and its incorporation into the Socialist bloc; the destruction of the United States influence in the developing world; the reduction of American military power to a state of strategic inferiority; the advent to power in Washington of a transitional and progressive government; and the collapse of the American economy.”

Yikes! Devolved into moho and ms. whata’tude show in 56 comments.

Sawyer then asked him: “Will it just be encouragement? Or will there be a board making Solomonic decisions?”

Obama replied, “What I’ve suggested is—is that we have a—a commission that helps—made up of doctors, made up of experts, that helps set best—best practices.”

When Sawyer pressed him to say whether those practices would be enforced by law, he evaded the question.

Moho, what was he talking about?

As for the death panels and the SEIU thugs, if you read quotes from Obama and those he surounds himself with you’d see the facts. There are videos of SEIU members beating up people–black, white, it doesn’t matter.

Lastly, as I said, I don’t see this as a civil exchange of ideas. The amount of mendacity here should never be termed civil. If you believe in the craziness being propagated here–death panels and SEIU thugs and the like–then I would question what kind of civil discourse you’re capable of having. IMO, people believe those things because they want to believe them, and they generally want to believe them for completely uncivil reasons.

It seems to me that you care nothing for what this great country stands for and what the founding fathers had invisioned. Maybe the Libertarian party, according to you, is the old Republican party, wanting to get back to the grassroots of what made this country great.

Do you stand for anything besides creating discord in an otherwise civil exchange of ideas?

Well, if you’re asking honestly I can’t speak for the left. I’m not sure I would count as a member of that boogeyman organization. However, you’re right if you mean that now that its an Obama war, people have largely stopped criticizing it. However, there are many, many, many organizations and people who oppose it just as vehemently today as they did months ago. As can also be observed, a significant number of the left are fighting against Obama’s health care proposal because they see it as an abandonment of his mandate to fix health care and insurance.

I will also add that the Republican administration has claimed for years that the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq were over. Do you believe that? Do you believe they were over in 2008 and suddenly have started again now that its convenient to blame them on a Democratic president?

Finally, the left/right dichotomy as it exists today began in the mid to late sixties. Traditionally, the left has supported a progressive move to greater civil liberties and a remedy to the excesses of capitalism. The right has supported a maintenance of the status quo or even a return to an imagined past era. Today, there is less difference between the left and right than one would expect, due to the proliferation of commercial interests and their unregulated interference in the Democratic process.

As for, MSNBC probably bothers me as much as it does you; however, there are one or two programs, like Rachel Maddow that have a level of journalistic integrity not seen on other networks.

I don’t see any way out of that, nor do I actually advocate any solution to the mess we’re in here. I come here because the level of stupidity in the Republican discourse is simply unmatched in its offensive stupidity. There is nothing like this in the whole world. Frankly, I’m tired of these stupid people reflecting on my country.