Who’s Sleeping More Deeply — Europe or America?
In my 2006 book While Europe Slept, I expressed concern about the will of Europeans to defend their freedoms in the face of the continent’s Islamization. I contrasted them in this regard with Americans, for whom, I argued, freedom is a living reality for which they are willing to fight and to sacrifice.
My book came out in the midst of the Danish cartoon crisis. And during that crisis I saw things in Europe that — quite frankly — surprised and impressed me. I saw the editors of a Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, stand up for freedom of expression in the face of worldwide rioting, vandalism, and murder by Muslims and contempt on the part of foolish Westerners. I saw a Danish prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, in defiance of the UN, the EU, and most of the “international community,” stand by that newspaper and refuse to meet with Muslim ambassadors who were out to intimidate his country and to force Sharia-like restrictions on Western liberties. I saw the people of Denmark, in overwhelming numbers, stand behind their prime minister in his refusal to yield to jihad. And I saw major newspapers across Europe reprinting the Jyllands-Posten cartoons in acts of free-speech solidarity.
I don’t mean to paint too rosy a picture. The Danish response wasn’t perfect. Not a single newspaper in Britain reprinted the cartoons. And both the Swedish and Norwegian governments provided textbook cases of cowering dhimmitude. But none of that was really a surprise. What did surprise, and disappoint, me was the American political and media establishment. Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush condemned the Jyllands-Posten cartoons out of hand. The State Department denounced them too, and only reversed itself after getting an earful from the Danish government, one of its few allies in Iraq. In the entire United States of America, exactly one major newspaper, the Philadelphia Inquirer, reprinted the cartoons. And while the major broadcast networks, as well as CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC, reported extensively on the cartoon riots, none of them ever showed the cartoons at all.
A big part of the reason for this dismaying American response to the cartoon affair is, of course, that Islamization hasn’t progressed as far in America as in Europe, and there’s consequently an incredible level of ignorance in America both about what’s really going on in Europe and about the very nature of Islam. In the current presidential campaign, only a small portion of the electorate seems to think that the war with jihadist Islam is a major issue. The one candidate who understood best what we’re up against, and who took it most seriously, Rudy Giuliani, was ridiculed across the political spectrum for being obsessed with 9/11 — as if the events of that day had been some kind of fluke or accident that has virtually no meaning for us today.
In depressing numbers, in short, Americans seem not to grasp the lessons of 9/11 — which should hardly be a surprise, considering how many journalists and politicians keep repeating that the terrorists are betraying a great and peaceful religion, that jihad means doing good works, and so on. A while back, in response to rumors that Barack Obama is a closet Muslim, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof argued that it would be a matter of utter indifference if the president of the United States were a Muslim. Of the hundreds of people who commented on this article on the Times website, the overwhelming majority applauded Kristof for his extraordinary courage in standing up to Islamophobia. Only a tiny handful of readers noted that there are, in fact, good reasons for free people to be concerned about the possibility of a U.S. president with a devout commitment to Islamic theology and law. The American media that do report honestly on the less attractive truths about Islam, moreover, tend to be media that people are encouraged to look down upon.
Excellent article, and spot on.
The only person of any prominence sounding the alarm here is Canadian ex-pat Mark Steyn, author of “America Alone”. While it was a best seller among conservatives, he was essentially preaching to the choir. He has been dismissed and derided as (what else?) Islamophobic by the cultural illuminati here in the US. In his native Canada, Muslims brought complaints for “being offended” to their kangararoo quasi-judicial system of “Human Rights Commissions”. His offense? Accurately quoting imams and ayatollahs about their plans to take over the West from the inside by outbreeding us and the vile viciousness that spews forth from the mosques on a daily basis. It has cost Steyn and others many hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight these specious charges, while all the Muslim complainants costs are covered by the commission, and the case is not yet over.
The West is in a war not of its making with a 7th Century religion that creates legions of fanatics willing to commit suicide to drag us back into the 7th century with them. Negotiations and appeasement only convince these zealots of the weakness of its opponents and the righteousness of their cause and embolden them even more.
By refusing to develop our own oil resources here in the US, we continue to finance the engine of our own destruction. OPEC has extorted tens of trillions of dollars from us for oil resources that the West developed for them in the last century, with the willing participation of the extreme left and a compliant supportive media. Without this transfer of wealth, Muslims would still be herding camels for a living. Instead they have the ability to purchase the weapons they are using against us and are moving towards acquiring the technological means to force armageddon in the near future unless we acquiesce.
This is a far more dangerous situation than that faced by the West when the Soviet Union was the enemy, even though they had tens of thousands of nuclear missiles. Their leaders understood that we could and would retaliate against them in the event of an attack, and they had no wish to die for Communism. However, this is far from the case with Islam, whose followers are actually encouraged to die by their own holy scriptures.
In the meantime, the West has seen the pussification of its commitment to fight for freedom caused by political correctness, the left’s ability to mask criticism of its agenda as “intolerance”, and the apathy of a spoiled public.
I for one think a new Dark Ages is inevitable unless we wake up and grow a pair very soon.
This is a brilliant article, but I have a couple of questions, not entirely rhetorical:
* Why is it that, when it comes to name the people lulling us to sleep, Bruce Bawer names three Englishmen (Judt, Garton-Ash, and the Archbishop of Canterbury), an American (Prestowitz), and a single continental European (a “Swedish government representative”)?
* Is Bawer unaware of the obvious contradiction between saying that Europe is rife with multiculturalism, and saying that the European elites seem to agree “that Europe is doing great — that it’s moving from strength to strength”?
It is also worth noting that no current or prospective European leader has yet been caught going to a church where the preacher has been known to scream “G*ddamn Europe” or “G*ddamn X” (where X is the preacher’s own country). But I would not be surprised if this were to happen in Britain or Sweden.
In spite of all this, I still agree on the main point, that Europe is in worse trouble than the US; and also that some of the European reactions to this trouble have unpleasant nationalistic overtones. Expect these reactions to become stronger and louder if Europeans decide that they cannot rely on America to defend them.
It is not the elite who make the policies, etc. that could make the changes needed to thwart the Islamization of Europe – it is the people who have to live, day by day, with the consequences of those decisions.
The UK (especially England) is a simmering pot whose lid is kept from blowing off by waterboarding the population with political correctness policed particularly by the media – such as the BBC. PC has infected not just UK politicians but also the police service – who rush to arrest someone for a golly doll but drag their heels investigating Muslim gangs harassing, spitting upon and bullying disabled elders. The British judicial system consistently gives out light sentences to Muslim criminals. Even the head of the Church of England embraces dhimmitude and Sharia law. This leaves the average indigenous Brit feeling frustrated and betrayed.
As space on this finite Island gets tighter and the population continues to explode (primarily through government abetted rampant immigration particularly from Muslim countries) there WILL be a day of reckoning.
What will cause the pot to boil over is still unclear – but it will happen.
Thank you for your excellent article. By the way, I do think John McCain gets it. With the economic melt down, no one wants to hear.
America fell back to sleep a few years after 9/11/01, the Europeans have been asleep since the early 1950′s. It seems as if forgetting the past & ignoring impending dangers is a symptom of the western world.
Follow the Islamization of Europe at the Gates of Vienna blog.
the problem with the West is everything can be worked out by diplomacy, dialogue and oil. None of which is true.
We have a candidate for POTUS who does not get it at all, and he is likely to be in the White House in January. His stable of advisers do not get it. Worst of all, the people who indicate in polls that they will be voting for him, MOSTLY WOMEN!, do not get it at all. I just find it astounding that women by the bucketload, here and in Europe, do not get it – because Islam is irredeemably cruel to women.
My wife gets it, but mainly because of me and the tons of reading of Islamic scripture and modern commentary on what the jihad is. But she was also nearly date-raped by a wealthy Saudi man many years ago when she lived in D.C. She hates Islam, and finds its people retrograde and barbaric.
Marmoset:
“…I do think John McCain gets it.”
Sorry but I could not disagree more. Based on his long standing track record on immigration reform (read: amnesty), McCain has no understanding of the impending destruction of the once unique American culture. It will make us all the less able to resist the inevitable level of dhimmitude and soft jihad already infecting Europe if first we are divided into two cultures, American and Mexican.
Used to be “divide and conquer” was a strategy employed by one’s enemies to undermine their opponents. McCain’s attitude towards unfettered illegal immigration will be doing radical Islam’s work for them.
And of course, The One’s plans for us will make it happen so very much faster.
Excellent article. I agree with poster Marmoset, that John McCain gets it. Obama doesn’t and this may be in part because of his radical associations and perhaps closet acceptance of Islam. Our country is in grave danger and people don’t even realize it.
Just thought that I would add my 2 cents worth
of observation. The biggest departure of Islam
immigrants is from the Middle East, the Arabian
Peninsula has 300 million souls or what ever
the Arabs call their spirits.
The Arabian Peninsula can feed and have water
enough for 40 million. If the West would not have found oil there would be tribes and a few
modern cities maybe 100 million and they would
have a food shortage.
So the talking points for what is wrong with
Muslims should focus on their problem with
over population first and the turning to religion that the immigrants bring with them
that says they must help their homeland feed
and nurture a population that would starve with
out them.
No one likes to see their fellow people starve,
except Senator Obama that has seen his brother
in Africa. He lives on a few dollars a month
and Obama thinks nothing is wrong with that picture; He says; “Just move on, nothing to see here.”
Cheers, rfm
But how exactly do you “defend Europe” if not through strengthening the “cultural traditions” and, inseparably, “religions” or religious traditions that have created the freedom and tolerance that Europe has achieved? Far-right politicians may summon notions of culture and religion in jingoistic ways. But absent faith in these principles, what is there to defend, and how do you begin to defend it?
Geokstr,
I do think McCain gets it. He recognizes that Mexican immigration is a molehill that simply hasnt been managed well compared to the mountain of advancing Islamism. The flip side of being “divided” (and not if we simply demanded oil in return as well as end ESL and hispanic inclusion in Affirmative Action) is that the other side gets a few million angry displaced new recruits.
The One isnt going to do spit on that front-wifey Michelle has a long memory on how those beaners liked Hillary so much more.
Fine piece. There is an historical precedent for the condition of contemporary Western Civilization described. The last days of the Roman Empire.
The populace in the cities were hostile to Caesar and the Legions. Contemptuous of the sturdy values that made Rome great. Sanguine about the continual but distant warring with Barbarians pressing in on the borders. Covertly in sympathy with the Rome’s enemies.
Followers of competing politico-gangster bishops who ruled in the cities were continually at each other’s throats. Only the presence of Roman troops kept the peace. Whenever the troops were called away, bloody rioting would break out among competing Christian groups.
Matters deteriorated to a point where Caesar could no longer rally his full force against the Barbarians. As they massed, troops desperately needed on the front were diverted by provincial governors for emergency peacekeeping in the cities.
The inevitable final collapse of the legions was greeted with celebrations and prayers of thanks in the cities. Not long thereafter, the power vacuum left by the fall of Rome was filled by the followers of the brigand Prophet. And to this day, the Levant where St. Paul preached and Gentile Christianity was born and saw its greatest intellectual ferment remains Muslim.
Many of those who “get it” do not “get it” aboutwhy Islamization and dhimmization of the west is occurring with such passivity among it’s victims. One of the greatest journalists and prophets of our times saw it all coming. After being educated in elitist, humanistic ideas of the Left, Malcolm Muggeridge spent years in the USSR reporting for The Guardian. He soon changed his mind, not only about Leftist utopianism, but the whole structure that brought it about. An atheist, he became a Christian. THis was his summation of the root problem: “If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner.” Just replace “Hitler” with “Islam” and you’ll begin to get it. Without Christianity, the west is a vacuum, a walking cadaver with AIDS whose immune system has completely broken down, and any ideology, especially the most virulent and aggressive, prsper freely.
…courage in standing up to Islamophobia
Standing up to Islamophobia is one of the idiotic tenets in the politically correct Liberal playbook.
Limousine and latté liberals love to sit around and congratulate themselves on their own state of enlightenment, vis â vis “the masses”, while patrician diplomats don’t encounter reality often enough to have to think in realistic terms. Plus, they’re cowards.
An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. ~Winston Churchill
It seems to me that in Europe, stealth or “cultural” jihad might well win on the basis of sheer numbers alone, as Italians and French (especially) aren’t even procreating in sufficient numbers to reproduce themselves, while Muslims, interested in covering Europe with the Ummah, are encouraging families to birth as many followers of the Wild Child (Mohammed, PBUH) as possible.
BV Moon:
I could also replace either “megalomania” and/or “erotomania” with “Obamamania” and it would be an accurate description of our immediate situation.
While America sleeps, radical Islam dreams of cutting your children’s'throats while they sleep. Not figuratively. The real way.
This is the strongest language I can conjure up to urge Americans not to underestimate the goals
of radical Islamics.
Who literally are praying for Barack Obama to be elected President, not because he in any way shape or form, shares their murderous views, but because they see him as an invaluable, albeit naive pawn in the culture war that’s raging.
McCain may look a little worn around the edges, but in terms of his view of radical Islam, he possesses Eagle quality
eyesight. Battle tested courage. And seer quality foresight.
Obama is IQ gifted, but street smart challenged. Moreover, he is capable of vindictiveness to the extreme.
As eloquently explained by the Governor of Missouri, Obama is trying to use state laws to stifle free speech; stop what Obama calls lying on blogs and commercials.
Political lying may be wrong, but it’s actionable in no criminal or civil courts. What’s more, Obama saying blogs are lying about him is the perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.
If we look at Obama’s behavior through a Bill of Rights prism, we quickly realize that Obama is trying to murder the first amendment; stifle free political speech. Really, Obama is trying to chill any speech that disagrees with his campaign. And he’s a couple of electoral states away from doing that permanently.
The second amendment, if Obama were elected, is as vulnerable as an infant who’s mother feels a baby’s birth would be inconvenient.
Obama is on record for wanting to emasculate the second amendment, regardless of what he says. He hates guns. Says he never fired one and never will. Says hunting is cowardly and inhumane.
I could go through the next seven amendments and talk about Obama’s radical views on each freedom, but, I trust, you get the picture.
I’ll just add one metaphor. When it comes to economic calamity; if our economy were a woman on the edge of a cliff, Obama’s melting pot of tax increases would push her right over the depression edge.
You must have heard him say he’d give 95% of Americans making less than $250,000 a tax cut. This is simply untrue. To give this statement a semblance of truth, Obama includes a scheme to hand a thousand dollars to people making so little or no income, they don’t even have to fill out a tax form. In effect, Obama’s plan is really a one time pay out, taking money from the treasury and giving it away to people who pay no taxes.
It’s further depleting the treasury so he can
make a campaign promise, the 95% thing, and sound like he’s a tax cutter when he’s the exact opposite. After one year of this giveaway to people making $42,000 or less, Obama would suspend it,(no more free handout; ;not an election year).
Then he’d slap new taxes on the people making above $42,000 sending tax rates skyrocketing.
Add this to all the social security tax increases and the capital gains increases and you have all the ingredients for a full blown recession.
The election of Obama would be an economy killer. I don’t want to end up selling apples on the side of the road. Do you?
On foreign policy, Obama’s Chamberlain like appeasement policies, his announcement he would never use nuclear weapons, his pledge to get out of Iraq in 16 months when the war’s winning is at hand are all dangerous to the Nth degree.
His whole liberal philosophy is a minefield of policies ready to blow up in your children’s face.
Economically and militarily, voting for Obama is like going into the bedroom of a sleeping child, putting a sewer rate under her pillow, turning the light off and leaving the room.
I beg you not to let this happen.
Bruce,
The bottom line — the West will lose. We are as rotted as 5th century Rome, if not worse.
With Europe, the barbarians have already invaded and are taking over, and will do so by 2050.
With us, well — if Iran gets the bomb, as it will under President Obama — we can expect several of our cities to go up in radioactive Jihadi smoke.
And Obama will twiddle his thumbs wondering why they hate us. And our cities will continue to go up in mushroom clouds.
The question is why are our leaders so blind? It is clearly obvious that Islam is a problem and Muslims have different values. They do not believe in freedom of speech, equality or separation of church/mosque and state. They do not want to integrate These things are clear, all one has to do is look around and ask them hard questions about their religion, their beliefs, their culture and their dear prophet.
Of course, the standard answer (by Muslims) is that anything bad is done by people who are not really Muslims or that Westerners don’t understand or any the subject is “out of context.” Our leaders accept this and blame the West for any problem. We are not “tolerant enough.” They demand high standards for us but no standards for Muslims.
Our leaders (political, media, academia) are not only afraid of offending Muslims but believe that their tolerance is a virtue (even as they refuse to examine what they are tolerating). In summary, it makes them feel good about themselves, and that is more important than anything, including our liberties and 500 years of Western culture.
These leaders will willingly thrown the enlightenment, renaissance, reformation, counter reformation, the french and american revolutions, emancipation, abolition of slavery and all we have worked to achieve in the trash for the silly pleasure of being uncritically tolerant and feeling good about themselves. The pain and suffering of others does not bother them.
I have had quite a bit of experience with Muslims. I can assure that all of them are either ignorant or in denial (best case scenario) or deceitful (usual situation). The Quran and Hadith are very clear about the preferred status of non-Muslims (subjugated or dead). The situation of Non-Muslim minorities in Islamic societies is another indication of the “real Islam” and what it teaches. Do our leaders consider this? no. Do they care? No.
As stated, we are rotting. We are fools. Maybe we deserve our fate.
Bad times are coming.
J. Kactuz aka kactuzkid
http://www.kactuzkid.com
The problem is not “radical” Islam. The problem is Islam, period.
“L” is exactly right. Anyone who has read the Qur’an, some English translations of parts of the most authoritative ahadith (Bukhari and Muslim), and impressive scholarly works of Bat Ye’or, Andrew Bostom, and Robert Spencer will know that Islam is the problem.
“Allah” was Muhammad’s sock puppet deity. The rationalization for a narcissistic personality disordered murderer and pedophile. Whenever Muhammad wanted something, the timely, convenient “revelation” from the sock puppet would arrive. His followers approved because, drawn from the dispossessed younger sons of Arab families and the criminal class of Yathrib (Medina) liked the idea of divinely sanctioned thievery, murder, and lecherousness.
And so this pestilence – the Devil’s most perfected ideology for destroying humanity – was let loose upon the world. Fourteen centuries of murder, slavery, and rapine unloosed upon the world. Conservatively estimated by Bill Warner, Islam has murdered over 270 million human beings over the course of fourteen centuries of jihad.
I agree with most of the criticism here about the underestimation, or even outright dismissal, of the dangers that Islamic Fascism poses to the West, but I disagree deeply about the outcome. Everything I’ve read here was said about the West vis-a-vis the USSR, a much, much more formidable foe.
I think the West will win, but there are 2 Wests, the US and the EU. Don’t mistake the attitude of the US elites for that of the US as a whole. The US does, granted, have the blessing of geography, but also the flexibility, tolerance, acceptance, and, frankly the seductiveness that the EU lacks. A person can be a fully practicing Muslim, follow Arab/Iranian/Asian customs, and still lead a life of dignity as a full US citizen. The EU will also win, but it will be bloody, bloody, bloody.
The Rocky Mountain News put all of the Danish cartoons on its Website almost as soon as the controversy broke, and printed two of them as illustrations to accompany editorials condemning Muslim violence and the West’s cowardly response. (If newsprint were free, we’d have printed them all; once we’d made our point, the rest weren’t worth the space.)
ah joe. but the ussr – really, the kgb and its allied groups – continues. the left is self-perpetuating; its sympathies and hatred are the sympathies and hatreds of half the usa & a good deal more of europe. your point is well-taken, but really: if even a child could comprehend that MAD would invite certain destruction, wouldn’t you pursue your goals in another way – while drawing as much attention to the madness of MAD? and if, say, you had learned of islam and muslims by conquering and controlling them for 6 decades or so, wouldn’t it occur to you what a wonderful weapon they would make, excitable & vicious & gullible as they are? the “ussr” effectively *was* the kgb. the kgb now runs russia & neighboring states. maintaining the overt communist ideology had become as burdensome as maintaining east german & far east asian divisions. now they are free from the crosshairs of the increasingly disunited West, who are in any case increasingly burdened by unassimilable minorities, the historical & moral ignorance of its youth, demographic lopsidedness, martial impotence. is it not odd that such a weapon as a whole people and religion could appear to turn on the west just as it believed it had rid itself of its decades-long enemy? is it not odd that such a people could be so successful in pressuring the west, a people who can barely make a machine or produce a book?
go visit youtube and look up yuri bezmenov. listen to the story of how he discovered that east pakistan – i.e. bangladesh – was severed from its western half by KGB. observe how he mocks western journalists’ characterization of the event as an “islamic grassroots” event. just as an example.
really, until you at least entertain the thesis that the heart of the matter is not the great festering morass of incompetent & cruel islamic societies, but the competent & cruel russian-kgb organization in its contemporary form & its witting & unwitting allies, there probably will be no way to address this issue. i know it sounds exotic – but then what, during the last 8 years, hasn’t been exotic? just consider.
Recall, it is England who have formed a special government organization to save little girls from forced marriage. Cannot recall the exact name, but it is EXPLICITLY in business to combat forced marriages.
Which religion has the most forced marriages? hmmmm?
Anti-Muslim attitudes in the US are not as pronounced as they are in Europe because Europeans know the true nature of Islam. Anti-Jewish attitudes are also on the rise in Europe, and are not far behind:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/18/2367721.htm
Does that mean that Europeans know the true nature of Judaism as well? Or is it because of another reason.
I was a US diplomat who learned Arabic to a high level of proficiency in reading & speaking and was posted to two Arab countries where I served as a political officer. One of them is no longer a country [Lebanon, which was a member of the Arab League until it was hijacked by Hezbollah, an Iranian Shi'ite group of militias with no real "Arab" ties] and might serve as an object lesson of what happens when a political system breaks down—the majority becomes a slave to a violent reactionary militant minority. [As a footnote, when western travellers reached remote parts of the Sanjuk of Al Quds in the late 18th c., the use of the wheel had been abandoned/forgotten & natives used the native American travois to haul their produce to whatever markets existed, this 5000 yrs after their forebears had invented the wheel!]
The other, Saudi Arabia, has a family whose profession was robbing caravans on pilgrimages to Mecca before a religious zealot made a pact with them to be Koran & sword to a land totally asleep for centuries. They haven’t changed a bit between the ears, though they profess otherwise, and are basically a rentier economy. And instead of pilgrimage caravans, they hold up EU-nuchland and the US for trillions in oil money derived from technology we virtually handed them while saying sorry for the invasion of your privacy.
As Donald Trump noted yesterday, the only silver lining in the US meltdown is that oil prices are slumping and will continue to slump until we wring out the bloated inflammation that infests the US economic GI tract.
The Austin American-Statesman reprinted the Mohammed cartoons. But then i see you said “major” American newspaper. If it makes you feel any better, the Statesman is a center-left paper…
To anybody who is comparing today’s situation with the fall of the roman empire, may I remind you that the barbarians who invaded the above mentioned empire were far better than the muslims of today.
All the old roman streets were kept as well as all the bridges and architectural stuff that the roman built. A lot of “barbarians” converted to christianity and learnt from previous civilization. This is because those “barbarians” were stronger military-wise, but they didn’t feel supremacy over other populations.
The muslims are only able to destroy and remain in 7th century mentality, because they actually feel they are the supreme race.
In between all of the doom-saying and Europe bashing, I gather that the author’s basic premise is that because more US newspapers did not publish the Danish cartoons, the USA is going Islamist.
There is a basic dilemma regarding the cartoons: there should be a right to publish them, but they are gratuitously offensive and part of good manners is not to offend gratuitously.
So any reluctance to publish things which are gratuitously offensive can be ascribed to good manners, which is not a sign of decline. After all, mainstream newspapers do not publish cartoons which blasphemously protray Jesus either.
Dave742 The reason anti-Jewish attitudes have increased in Europe is due to the presence of Muslim “Europeans”. Similar to “British” girls having babies earlier, as I saw somewhere. Surveys in multicultural societies can be misleading and often serve to insult the indigenous people.
Dan: You’re quite right about the survival of the KGB (I never knew about Bangladesh, but did about their invention of, say, the PLO), Russian horridness, etc. Of course there is state control of AlQ, et al, through Saudi, Iran (yes!), though the Russian angle had not occurred to me. SImilarly, the defeat of Islamic Fascism I doubt very much will end their nastiness and malignancy in most Arab lands. What I do mean to say is that their actual physical threat, much less as a conqueror, is a shadow of what the USSR was.
Ezekiel 23 wrote:
…After all, mainstream newspapers do not publish cartoons which blasphemously protray Jesus either.
You can’t be serious. Have you forgotten the “Piss Christ?” How about the Madonna portrait that was covered with elephant dung and pictures of vaginas scattered about it. and what about the life-size “Chocolate Jesus” which was a chocolate, anatomically correct, depiction of the crucifixion.
ALL of these were featured in major American newspapers…many on the front page…the NY Times in particular.
Give me a break.
Do you all think Arab equals Islam? Check out which group of Muslims in the UK as an example have been a problem. Hint: They aren’t Arabs. At the same time you are doing this check out what the British have learned so far about why they are a problem.
To the author: Why didn’t you put the cartoons on here? Or why don’t you?
Daveinboca you are an example of why US Foreign diplomacy/affairs is so screwed up! You are blaming the Saudi’s and calling them theives for getting what they can for THEIR oil. Remember we are the idiots that think driving gas powered personal vehicles is a right or something.
There is a basic dilemma regarding the cartoons: there should be a right to publish them, but they are gratuitously offensive and part of good manners is not to offend gratuitously.
Rarely mentioned is the considerable time lapse between the original publishing of the cartoons in Jyllands Posten (each drawn by a different cartoonist) and the (months later) riots.
And what happened in the meantime ? One radical Danish imam intentionally carried thecartoons around the middle East. And (reportedly) he included about 3 other drawings of Mohammed that did, in fact, rise to gratutiously offensive but had never been published in any newspaper.
In other words, an argument can easily be made the brouhaha over the Danish cartoons was intentionally fomented.
Ask yourself, those guys burning Danish flags and wrecking stuff in Pakistan learned about the cartoons how ?
It’s been a long time, but I wouldn’t imagine a Muslim with common sense and a sense of humor (gee, maybe that’s an oxymoron) would have found the original Jyllands Posten cartoons gratutiously offensive.
I could imagine, however, that a Danish imam with an agenda (I’ve forgotten his name) could attempt to use the drawings (and especially the three or so truly disgusting drawings that had not been published) in service to jihad.
Ezekiel:
Must disagree. Yes, civilized behavior is comprised of shared notions of decorum. But determining what constitutes ‘gratuitously offensive’ political commentary — we’ll know it when we see it — is a decidedly selective process shaped by politically correct nostrums.
The cartoons were no more ‘gratuitously offensive’ than political cartoons lampooning the Bush administration which appear in any urban or college town indy weekly, and most certainly no more ‘gratuitously offensive’ than what passes for art, in the form of things like ‘Piss Christ’.
Similarly, a full investigation by police was launched into an effigy of Obama hung by college students. Very poor taste and rubs some very sensitive nerves, to be sure. But campus street theatre protests routinely feature the most luridly violent effigies of Bush administration officials , and no one calls for an investigation. We all know why one is considered a ‘hate’ crime and the other ‘free expression’.
I would add that Jesus, and the Christianity which followed in his wake, were not expressly political projects. Islam is.
The elephant in the room here is globalization, particularly cultural globalization fostered by the Internet and international cell phone and cable/satellite TV services. These global media have enabled and encouraged the development and organization of a truly global ummah, capable of mobilizing and acting in real-time 24/7 in any corner of the globe (see the often-violent protests surrounding the aforementioned Mohammed cartoons, for example); while at the same time slowly dissolving the coherence of national cultures – the “nation” half of any nation-state – in favor of what might be termed a global “cafeteria culture” with a virtually limitless array of cultural outlets to choose from.
“What is Swedish culture?” someone asked in Mr. Bawer’s post. Perhaps a better question would be “What is any culture in a globalized environment, and would anyone be willing to fight to defend it?” This may ultimately prove to be the real cause of the West’s undoing.
“there are also all too many people on the right who are mounting the barricades in the name not of freedom but of ethnic identity, cultural tradition, or religion..”
Thats what you don’t get in the book either: When you are a small country (Norway) with a 4 million population, being practically invaded by a country with a 167 762 040 population (Pakistan), you can’t expect people to defend themselves just by fighting for a general concept like “simple freedom”. Freedom can mean anything, eg Pakistanis freedom to join their family in Norway.
Ethnic identity, cultural and religious tradition is exactly what we must fight for if we want to survive as a nation. You seem to believe that all nations can just copy USA’s history, you don’t understand the uniqueness of your own counry.
Ezekiel does not understand that even the use of the Qur’an and ahadith to make critical points about Islam in Europe is a punishable offense. In Canada too. Might even happen here.
And that dovetails with one of the Sharia injunctions that dhimmis are forbidden to study the Qur’an and ahadith. The dhimmi is forbidden to criticize anything about Islam. The penalty for this is death and may even suspend the dhimma for the entire kafir community. That means wholesale slaughter or enslavement.
The ignorance of Islam in the West is breathtaking. Former Muslims testify to this and they beg us – implore us – to study the Islamic writings and see the truth of their warnings to us.
Radical Muslim needs to be stopped individual by individual. It’s in their hearts and souls, just like a Jehovah’s Witness who “knows” he has the “Truth.”
We keep trying to kill the central figureheads of radical Muslims. We need to target them as individuals and at the core of their radical faiths.
We need a cult psychologist.
PG:
I don’t think your explanation is plausible. The Muslim population of Spain, for example is 2.3%. The percentage of Spanish people who view Jews unfavorably is 46%. It is obvious that it is something more than the presence of Muslims that accounts for the unfavorable impression. Unless you are claiming that the Muslims are threatening native Spaniards to be anti-Jewish or else they will be beheaded.
Islam is a protected “religion” in Europe, but it is never a crime to mock Christianity or Judaism. And everyone knows it. Sharia Law and an informal dhimmitude already exist in Europe. Bat Ye’or has written extensively on this subject.
geokstr and fred got it right with their references to pussification and the political power of women who think the truth is whatever they believe it to be.
That brings us to recognize that this is at bottom a biological struggle no different than colonies of red and black ants duking it out to the finish on a sidewalk square.
In waging such struggles, we need to remember Don Corleone’s advice re BALLS. Balls wins, in this case meaning the willingness to do anything, apply any force, and die in the effort. Clearly, Islam has sufficient balls, while the West, pussified to the extent of pushing men out of power, by definition no longer does.
It is clear that we in the West are being targeted for extermination no less than the Jews were in Europe, and in a biological conflict the only alternative is to exterminate your foes first. I realize that no politician wants to admit this, and that neither one of our presidential candidates would do this. Nevertheless, I have to vote for one, and I think John McCain is just ever-so slightly likelier to do so.
Just finished spending 50 days in Italy, if the Muslims there start trying to tell the young Italians how to dress and behave they will be back in Fumbuckistan or wherever they came from so fast the Marines won’t have time to mobilize to protect them. Trust me.
Keep up the fight against the Dark Horse, Šarīʿah.
The Muslims pushed the Jews out from Egypt (re: blacklisted, Nationality Law of 1929, the 1947 Company Law). They’ll push out the British and the West next…
How bout’ a link for “The Jawa Report” – http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194264.php
It’s for a vote for a charity of your choosing, no cost or e-mail address on your behalf. (Pick Soldier’s Angels)
The idea that Islamic civilization could be established in the West to the point that it becomes the dominant or even a signficant cultural presence in Europe and/or America is so absurd it hardly merits a line of commentary.
That’s like saying that “the Mob” of Al Capone or his modern-day epigones, or the millions of Chinese or Latinos in American cities pose a threat to mainstream American culture simply because they make the headlines or because there are so many of them.
(Don’t forget, there are far more Chinese laundries in the US than there are McDonald’s, Burger Kings and so on combined. And which is more “dominant” in American culture?? You tell me).
Whenever I bring up this subject of Islam vis a vis the West with elite Moslems (note spelling) whether Arab or sub-continental (that means Pakis or Indians or Bengalis), they have a hard time not guffawing with mirth and riducule.
(I live in an Arabian Gulf country and have for a long time, and I use the word “live” for want of a better word. Our ex-diplomat commentator above will know exactly what I mean).
The fact is Islam is a dying civilization and a strong case can be made that it’s really been non-functioning for centuries. That is not to say that Islam the religion is moribund (sorry if I use “big” words, but I don’t know how else to express complex ideas).
No, Islam the religion does really exist. But the civilization is totally defunct with no chance or resucitation.
As I’ve said, Islam is a non-functioning, non-productive entity that lives on the margins of the modern world, the object of ridicule by Westerners like me who know her well. It is literally disintegrating in the face of modernism, a process that is accelerating as time goes on.
That such a crippled, dysfunctional force could ever “dominate” or overtake another cultural entity is totally preposterous. Those who say it could simply don’t know what they’re talking about.
That is not to say it isn’t a “dangerous” force. But like a cornered rat who knows the jig is up, it is at its most vicious and dangerous when the end is evident.
9/11 and previous and subsequent “explosions” of one kind or another were simply the last gasps of a dissolving corpse, knowing its time is up and maliciously trying to take everything and everyone with it into the vast unknown.
To them I say, “RiHla Saeeda” (Have a nice trip).
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An excellent article, personally I do not have much hope for Europe, my wife and I have been in discussions about our plan for the next ten years, it is to keep a close eye on the development of Muslim populations in our area, we live close to a large Muslim concentration, but not close enough to get directly affected yet, though we have a small number in our area. We have decided that Europe will turn into a patchwork of warring Muslim and non-Muslim areas where the government will struggle increasingly deperately in keeping a lid on it.
We intend to move to an area that is really solid non-Muslim, when more people start doing the same we will have certainty, my aim is to be right smack bang in the middle of a non-Muslim area. In Europe that is the best that one can hope for, my children will be told to emmigrate to the USA or New Zealand.
In terms of democracy, it does not exist anymore in Europe, we don’t vote for the people who make most of the decisions, as simple as that, talk about giving away your land and your freedoms with a whimper.
Many Americans have said to me in the past fight back, what with and how, our own governments are against us take Cologne as an example, as Geert Wilders put it, its 1 minute to 12 and counting…
My only hope for Europe is to get a proper US president who sees that reversing the Islamic takeover of Europe as a major objective for the security of the USA, if that does not happen, goodbye Europe and hello to America alone…, but then again get Obama and perhaps you will be in the same position as us very quickly.
Just read Alo Kievalar’s sarcastic filled post and there is some truth in the point of view that Islam is dying, but what he needs to realise is that Islam needs enemies to prosper and they have that by living in infidel countries, it creates a power of togetherness to work on the hatred of the other or non-believer, he fails to even accept that issue which is at the core of the Islamic texts, he also fails to understand that certain people are destroying the cultural identity of Europe that leaves a vacuum for Islam to grow into, but anyway, living in Dubai and saying this is Islam is like going to Disneyland and saying this is America!!!
Remember Tatiana Suskind.
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/284
“America the Unintelligent” would be the title of this response. Just be aware that “broad brushing” an entire group with the same trait, as you are doing, is going to put a lot of innocent people in harms’ way. What you are doing is very much like what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in World War II, you are creating an enemy out of the bad behavior of a few in an ethnically different group while ignoring the sins of your own group.
Most Americans confuse the Iranians with Arabs (or think they are the same,) don’t have a clue what a Sikh is (but think they’re Moslems) you don’t get the fact that while “Yes, Islam started on the Arabian Peninisula,” the largest number of followers of the religion are NOT in the Arab world. I would also suggest most of you couldn’t find the Middle East on a map given that on questioning many you think Africa is a “country!”
None of you has ever been put down or inhibited in your lives by anything Moslem here in the U.S. You are reading a few snippets of bad journalism and going off the deep end with it. If someone breaks the law in your society, you punish them specifically, that is the individual that did the deed, NOT the “unassociated with the crime” relatives of the accused!
You folks in general seem to want to use our Constitution as toilet paper!
To: Mr. de la Flad
—> “Broad Brushing” (or) What’s Good for the Goose is…….
Most Arabs don’t quite understand the distinction between an Englishman and an American, let alone an Irishman.
In addition, they don’t have a clue as to what an Apache or Navajo is and believe that 9/11 was a machination of either the CIA or the “Zionists”.
Most think that Latin America is in the southern “part” of the USA and that Costa Rica is a kind of US state, like, you know, Puerto Rico is…..or Nicaragua.
They also think that all American women are harlots and that Jesus was not crucified on the Cross.
I could go on, but I won’t.
What Mr. de la Fald’s point is, I don’t know, but he falls right in place into the vast swamp of unintelligible, ungrammatical and pathetic “opinions” that have come to dominate the “comments” sections on the Internet.
Now Guy, that is just ignorance. It is a simple public demographic fact that Europe, in order to grow its economy following the second world war, invited Muslim immigration and then liberalized its perspective regarding their families. It is also a simple fact that Islamic mores tend to fecundity – where, that is, their natural societal incompetence is replaced by generous welfare benefits. If you read Savage Wars of Peace, for example, you’ll notice that the major underlying stress on the French political structure wasn’t some idiot Hegelian dialectic among the consciousness of the population – it was that the Muslim population *exploded* from like 2 or 3 million to 11 or 12 million in one generation once the infrastuctural improvements provided by the French translated into better public health.
My grandparents still thought of themselves as “Italian” or “Irish” until they died in their 70s, even though they had lived in the USA for 50 or 60 years. Syrian, Algerian, Moroccan, Pakistani, Egyptian, Turkish Muslims who immigrated to France or Benelux countries or Britain or Germany in the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s are going to retain the same affinity for their native cultural mores, even if many of their children identify with the culture of their European homes. But considering the wide discrepancy between Muslim societies and European societies at present in all manner of even non-ideological ways, it is certainly not hysterical to draw the inference that an Algerian-type situation is at least simmering in embryo. Given the state of French, German, Italian, British national consciousness, the possibility becomes a lot more like a probability, as evinced by many many recent headlines.
The tragedy of the present situation is primarily the fallout of a Left in total decadence. Lefties struggle to make sense of the prevailing realities, from geopolitics to military strategy to the significance of the hijab or the purpose and place of sharia law, but fail because their imaginations are truncated by their own vocabulary. It is a Procrustean bed. The great irony is that this intellectual feature is even more pronounced in the followers of the prophet – and, as one cleric from Sweden I think said, “our way of thinking will prove the stronger.”
Even if you don’t subscribe to the more apocalyptic expectations regarding Muslims in the West, you ought to be aware that, in the present mosaic of facts, it is your way of thinking that seems mmost resistent to “change.”
Guy de la Fald warns about “broad brushing” groups of people. Then his next paragraph starts off with “Most Americans . . .” and contains cliched assumptions peddled by the media.
Seems certain forms of bigotry are more fashionable and acceptable than others.
And I consider all these demands for special pleading and treatment (don’t insult the prophet, don’t bring wine in my cab, all the bullying by CAIR) as the start of a long, slippery slope. Fighting it now is the right thing to do.
If someone breaks the law in your society, you punish them specifically, that is the individual that did the deed, NOT the “unassociated with the crime” relatives of the accused!
The problem is that not enough “Moslems” have disassociated with the crimes, the crime of 911 and all the violent crimes perpetrated in the name of Islam preceding and following 911.
It can be difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff when so many people are dancing in the streets over the various “crimes” perpetrated against “the west” and when radical imams (as we speak) are spewing the potential for more crimes into the minds of the ignorant and sexually frustrated who think by doing a “crime” they can get blown to smithereens and get to be waited on in heaven by legions of black eyed, re-hymenating virgins !
(a way more attractive lifestyle than slogging it out as a waiter in Great Britain to make ends meet)
Even some Moslems have recently noted that the co-optation of the words of the Koran by criminals in service to their own criminal operations is giving the religion (not a religion, per se, but an all encompassing way of life) a very bad name.
Ezekiel,
You’re comment makes no sense. The newspapers in the USA didn’t publish the cartoons because they were trying to be polite? Since when have any of the newspapers shown the same courtesy towards Christians that were offended by their sac-religious cartoons? They haven’t. You’re mistaking politeness for coward “political correctness”. It’s not PC to jab at Islam. It is extremely PC to deride, disdain, and loathe Christians in the MSM.
Alo Kievalar: First of all, thanks for your reply to Guy de La Fald.
Next, since you seem rather reasonable, thanks for your input. Here’s why I think you’re wrong:
1. You live in the Gulf, which seems to be the one area where Islam is receding. Elsewhere, it seems to be getting stronger. I was recently in Egypt, where 90% of the women are wearing scarves. I’ve been told that twenty years ago, it was only 25%.
2. Our problem isn’t Islam, but the left. This is because (a) the left is culturally (though not necessarily politically) dominant. It dominates our media, schools, and culture generally. And (b) they are so guilt-ridden that they are ready to give away the “farm” (that is, Western civilization) and get nothing in return.
Back in the 60s before feminists became enraged about rape, there was a white woman who felt so guilty about racism that she allowed herself to be raped by a black man. This is the way our leftists are feeling and responding. And for them, anyone who complains about the steady advance of shari’a is a racist.
Islam as a threat may very well recede in importance in the coming years, but we in the West would still have a problem because our leftists would be quite willing to submit to the next threat that comes along.
After a couple of weeks in France what I said about Italy goes for the French as well. Muslims here get too far out of line the French will hire somebody else to wash the dishes.
glenn: Oriana Fallaci, in her book The Rage and the Pride, talks about how Muslims erected a big tent in a square in Florence (p. 128). It remained there for a long time, even though ordinary Italians were annoyed with it. But no one wanted to do anything about it because they were scared of being called racist. She herself complained to newspapers and politicians, to no avail. It wasn’t until she called the police anonymously and threatened violence that the police went in and took it down.
I’d like to know just what makes you so sure that either the Italians or the French will deal effectively with the Muslims.
To: JFP
Thanks for commenting on my post (it’s a relief, believe me, to read a coherent statement on the internet anymore).
I agree that the contemporary “Left”, both in the US and in Europe, is largely to blame for the flaccid approach to various problems (not just Islam) facing Western civilization. These would include things such as drugs, immigration, education, marital relations and so on.
(I know for a fact, for example, that being a “single mother or “mom” is generally considered to be a badge of honor anymore, at least in the US of A….I guess the idea is: “at least I was once “loved” by someone, if only for 20 seconds”).
[Sorry for all the scare quotes, but our language has been so debased, it's almost a requirement anymore to use them to get one's point across].
However…
To say that Islam is receding in the Gulf is really not the way it is. Don’t forget, that the “Gulf”, technically, includes Saudi Arabia, at least the Eastern Province of it. And I assure you that Islam is not receding in that area.
It is true that in Egypt and other Arab countries (but not Lebanon or Syria), wearing the “scarf” is considered “de rigueur” these days, at least by younger contemporary women.
But my take on it – and my “take” on the Arab world is pretty good, I don’t mind saying – is more a fashion statement than anything else.
In fact, if you go into the countryside of Egypt (where most westerners never go), I mean, if you visit the small villages up and down the Nile Delta, where the “real” population of Egypt lives, you’ll hardly see a scarf at all.
In fact, one wonders how much of a hold “Islam” really has on these people. One might go so far as to say it’s somewhat superficial, really, in their daily lives. Oh, they observe the prayer call, fasting during Ramadan and so on, but still, it’s not the Islam that you find in the cities.
But yes, the threat of Islam to the West – in the sense that Islamic “civilization” would or could supercede Western civilization – is pure fantasy.
I could go on and on. I’m just going to have to write a book, I see. Then, it’ll all be clear to you.
PS: For your information, my introduction to the Middle East goes back as far as the 1950s, believe it or not. Course, I was a child then, but I still remember the cocktail parties, dances, movies and so on in which Cairenes fully participated. If you have a chance to see an Egyptian movie of that period (there are 1000s but hard to get ahold of in the West), you’ll be amazed how “Western” Egyptians were.
Taha Hussein, one of the giants of Arabic literature of the 20th century (he was Egyptian), asserted that Egypt and the Arab world were really part and parcel of Western civilization. Maybe he was right. Course, his ideas have been totally, if not squelched, at least ridiculed by the contemporary Arab elite.
It’s all quite funny, actually.
Regards…….AK
Why such denial? Melanie Phillips gives the best explanation:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2079871/stasi-tactics-from-camp-obama.thtml
“A vital part of leftist thinking is the assumption that to be on the left is the only sensible/decent/principled position to hold and therefore cannot ever be wrong; and that is because to differ from the left is to be of ‘the right’, and the right is irredeemably evil. (The idea that to be opposed to the left is not necessarily to be on ‘the right’ or indeed to take any position other than to oppose ideology and its brutal effects is something that the left simply cannot get its head round). And so the true nightmare is that if ‘the right’ turns out to be actually right on anything and the left to be wrong, by accepting this fact the left-winger will by his own definition turn into an evil right-winger. His entire moral and political identity will crumble and he will grow horns and a tail. So to prevent any possibility of this catastrophe occurring, the opponent has to be eliminated.”
But in Israel there is at least one politician who fully understands what the problem is:
Moshe Ya’alon New Strategy for the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict:
http://www.jcpa.org/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=442&PID=0&IID=2515&TTL=A_New_Strategy_for_the_Israeli-Palestinian_Conflict
The notion of today’s (so called) liberals willing to submit (Islam means Submission) to expiate feelings of guilt is not too far afield.
I would argue that indoctrination into such kinds of “self images” have been prevalent in American public schools for a very long time.
But yes, the threat of Islam to the West – in the sense that Islamic “civilization” would or could supercede Western civilization – is pure fantasy.
I’m less concerned about the prospect of Islam “superceding” western civilization than I am about the mayhem, chaos and destruction being inflicted (most recent memory, bombing of Marriott in Islamabad) in order to effect that goal.
My favorite (slightly incendiary) website dedicated to documenting the incidents
Islamists (and it only has to be 1 or 2% of any given population, as in Great Britain) have convinced themselves they are doing Allah’s work in attempting to spread Islam to every corner of the globe. They’re intent on establishing new “bases” in North Africa, Somalia, Pakistan, the Phillipines, Indonesia…(Europe, Canada, Australia, the US…)
I repeat, whether or not there is a realistic possibility of them succeeding is not the issue uppermost in my mind.
Living in central Europe, I can tell you Muslims (at least the one’s wearing traditional hijab) are having lots of children. On nearly every subway and street car, one sees women with head scarves, and two or three (mostly well-behaved) children. In stark contrast, one sees very few Euro-natives with kids.
Alo Kievalar: By the Gulf, it’s true I was thinking more of U.A.E. and what I’ve heard about what they are doing to Westernize their universities.
By the way, how do you say “I want” in Gulf Arabic?
areed?
abbi?
Or something else?
tanstaafl: A very level, and realistic response. Islam’s success need only be measured in small macro steps, i.e.; outside the Muslim community and the effects it has on the general public to be of a captious metric. Sharia law would, IMO, be that metric. If Sharia can be measured outside the Muslim community, than it proves Islam successful no matter the ratio of Islam to ‘Other’.
When England becomes an Islamic Republic, only then will the US wake up.
That will be one hell of a pyhrric victory for us…
“Many Americans have said to me in the past fight back, what with and how, our own governments are against us
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp
start small by leaving these small tracts around everywhere in europe (they come in different launguages) I leave them all over for everyone to find, and ya can do it anyanomously, thats how the jews in the nazi gehto started fighting back by leaving small leaflets all over the place .
02/10/08
As a Hindu from India, the Westerners should appreciate the difficulties in managing 200 million muslims amongst us for over 1000 years. We have managed them and here are a few suggestions:
> Go back to Christianity and the Church. It is a good religion and it is worth defending. Defending Christianity is better slogan than defending an abstract like freedom of speech, democracy etc.
> Throw out the socialist scoundrels from politics and the left lunatics from the academics
> Force the Conserve Party to become Christianity supporting party; it is unlikely that the Church will exert any undue influence in the government and it is a an issue that can be remedied.
> Scrap the welfare pay outs except for the aged. Welfare only encourages the unproductives and undesirables.
> Make extradition easy and it should be for the entire family; the convict will be jailed say for a period of five years but the family will be thrown out immediately on conviction
> Influence the judiciary, by fair and foul means, to give tougher decisions.
> The police force should be brainwashed against muslims and should use violent methods to control. In India the police does and people brush aside the resultant Islamic jingoism.
> The Conservative party should accept national security as the main plank
> Re-install death penalty
> Once in five years there should be riots in which thousands of muslims will be killed. Sounds barbaric; the alternative is being consumed by barbarism. In India we retaliate and it is called constructive response.
> Separate them physically in secluded areas; that is better than to permit them to live in all areas, which they will contaminate. They will never assimilate and do not attempt at it. It is easier during the riots.
> Stop muslim immigration and substitute with Hindu labour; they are law abiding and will integrate admirably well. Hindus are the second richest and most highly educated minority in USA. There is a not a single case of a Hindu being profiled for wrong reasons.
> Teach the children to hate the muslims; they any way are doing the same thing.
> Follow the Hindu way of life; live life and accept death as inevitable; live for the children and for their future. Sex is only a side attraction and wealth is only incidental.
> Consign all the human rights character to Saudi Arabia, that is the place where they should practice their profession; tell them human lives are more important than human rights
> Get out of EU and preserve your right to protect your country and its culture. Earlier you had a country and culture to be proud of and now EU has converted the countries into anonymous entities
> In India we have a main stream political party for protecting the majority rights; create a similar one, since otherwise the secular fanatics will abandon the majority.
The Indian chromosome
By Dr Farrukh Saleem
Twenty-five thousand years ago, haplogroup R2 characterized by genetic marker M124 arose in southern Central Asia. Then began a major wave of human migration whereby members migrated southward to present-day India and Pakistan (Genographic Project by the National Geographic Society; http://www.nationalgeographic.com/). Indians and Pakistanis have the same ancestry and share the same DNA sequence. Here’s what is happening in India:
The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.
In November, Bombay Stock Exchange’s benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.
In November, comes Neeta’s birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present: A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani’s wife, and Mukesh is not India’s richest but the second richest.
Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh’s new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there’s a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family’s guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea. On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.
In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn’t even in the top 25 countries. In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding of elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi.
Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.
For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard’s E-speak project. Four out of ten Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.
For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore. India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire).
The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani’s father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion).
Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124). We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians do and we don’t: Indians elect their leaders.
The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com
“While America sleeps, radical Islam dreams of cutting your children’s’throats while they sleep. Not figuratively. The real way.
This is the strongest language I can conjure up to urge Americans not to underestimate the goals
of radical Islamics.”
What paranoid islamophobic drivel!! In what European country, or any western country has this happened? In what European country has Sharia law been implemented and foisted onto non Muslims? Have any of you people acutall ybeen to England?
Sure, Arab Muslim immigrants are infamous for forming insular communities and demanding special privileges, but so what? If they come to a country, they should not be expecting such treatment, but that is a far cry Congress broke for the Jewish holiday after the vote on the bailout. Does that mean the US has become a Jewish state?
Get a grip people. This is mass paranoia on a scale not seen since McCarthism. People are losing their homes and their life savings, and you people seem convinced that some non existent naval fleet is going to deliver millions of Islamic radicals to our foreshores, ready to cut our throats. Who’s really asleep?
I do love so much reading arrogant elitists, who start off by saying things like this “it’s a relief, believe me, to read a coherent statement on the internet anymore!” Even though your put down of de La Flad was masterful.
Some of us however have our own experiences of living with Muslims in the west and they are certainly not like the elite Muslims living in the Gulf (ignoring Saudia Arabia of course) that you have such riverting conversations with, however it is fascinating to see a group of elites who have mastered the technique of keeping them and their familiies at the top and manipulating the masses as they do, I am sure that turning a Occidental is the least of their skills.
I understand that Islam is dying and that we are seeing its death struggle, however rubbing up against the other is what energises Islam, conflict and war is what energises Islam, and this is what is happening in Europe, Islam offers an easy way out to those that fail, its the others fault, they are keeping you down, all those dark thoughts easy to listen to. I do not think that Islam will take over, but then again I do not expect that there will be much left of what was once Europe, I think tanstaafl put it very well.
As for ex-pat, when they become teenage males, oh my god, have you had to stand in front of your wife and children while a pitched battle between police and Muslim youths was occuing in a metro station, well I have. That same evening some weedy Muslim youths even tried to barge me to the side of the road… This happaned on what was supposed to be an enjoyable night out in a major French city.
It is not funny at all, and while I can accept that Eygypt with its Hellenic, Roman and Byzantium past can be taken as once being part of the Western World, that statement (“…that Egypt and the Arab world were really part and parcel of Western civilization…”) is now only as true as the number of Copts that make up its population, Islam is most certainly not part and parcel of the Western world.
At the end of this, its not sophisticated highly educated men who talk grandly about the linkage of Islam with the West that matter, no its the clever, clear and devout Muslim living in the West who really believes that the West is an abonimation, its the Saudi paymasters, but most of all its that dark soul full of hate, anger and repressed sexual frustration who believes that you are keeping him down and hates everything that you stand for and there is a lot of these people now in the West. Let in by left wing destroyers, take Denmark once so safe and clean and orderly, but that is no longer the case, I wonder how that happened? Sorry a bit of sarcasm of my own…
Neo I am English and I live in a major French city near quite a lot of Muslims, I have Muslim neighbours, do you?
I am disturbed by the ignorant Americans who label the few Europeans who stand up to the Islamic and third world influx as fascists, neo-Nazis, or some other smear in the same manner that Americans who standing up to illegal immigration are labeled bigots, racists, and fascists.
neo, put your head deep in the sand. The mere sight of someone so clueless as you are is disgusting.
To all those who say “Islam is dying”, I say, paraphrasing Nietzsche, “Whatever is falling should be pushed”. That includes yourselves, by the way.
Neo:
1. I do not expect full-fledged shari’a to be implemented anywhere in Europe before 2030, at least. The point we are making is that when it is about to be implemented, it will be much harder to stop than it is to stop it right now.
2. There is this report saying that partial shari’a is already being used in Britain:
http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2008/09/from-land-of-shakespeare-to-land-of-sharia.html
3. Muslim communities have an effect on the surrounding communities. There are reports of women in those surrounding communities being raped for not being appropriately dressed.
4. No one expects a naval fleet to deliver millions of radicals to our shores. What we expect to happen is that the continuing immigration of Muslims into Europe, together with their high birth rates and native Europeans’ low birth rates, their penchant for using violence to get what they want, and the fact that the native culture is dominated by useful idiots like you who think that being Islamophobic is a bad thing, will lead to a situation several decades from now in which Muslims are in a much, much stronger position to dictate what they want than they are right now.
As I said above, the point is to stop them now when it is easy, instead of waiting several decades, by which time it will require a horrible and very bloody civil war. Take your pick.
Neo needs a history lesson.
Neo needs to learn more about 1350 years of violent, and even non-violent, muslim conquest.
Islam cannot co-exist peacefully with other cultures and/or religions. It never has, never will.
Learn something about the history of dhimmitude and the treatment of non-muslims in the lands conquered by muslims over that same 1350 year period.
Learn how Islam destroyed the native cultures and erased every trace of the rich histories of every nation it invaded.
Fine use of the term Islamophopic too, Neo. Do you even know what it means?
Neo, you are as dangerous as our jihadist enemies. Wake up. Learn a little more about Islam so you can know thy enemy.
Suggest you start your education by frequent visits to http://www.JihadWatch.org
USorThem,
Good suggestion for where neo should begin learning about Islam. I go to Robert’s site nearly every day. His books are outstanding and well-researched. I would also add that reading Bat Ye’or’s books, especially “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude.” Andrew Bostom has some excellent works too, as is the writing from Serge Trifkovic.
But the best testimonials – the most riveting – come from former Muslims themselves. Ibn Warraq and Walid Shoebat.
To: VeniVidiVici
Thanks for your enlightened comment.
You may paraphrase Nietzsche, if you must, but I’ll quote him directly: “God is Dead”.
In light of the message of your post, I strongly suggest you change your USERNAME from (VeniVidiVici) to (VeniVidiVomui). I think it would be more appropriate in your case.
Alo,
I don’t see what Nietzsche’s “God is dead” has to do with what I paraphrased, which is a sentiment that doesn’t stand or fall on the existence of God at all, but let me paraphrase Nietzsche again, “Allah is dead”.
If you think I’m interested in your opinion on the matters of Islam and “enlightenment”, you are sorely mistaken (not that I believe you have the education to actually form an opinion on those matters, anyway). I’m interested in having you out of my way in doing what needs to be done. My political “masters” are the Romans and Machiavelli, not whatever mish-mash of superficial trash you consider politics. To paraphrase Stalin, “One man’s death is a tragedy, a billion men’s deaths is a statistic”. Wanna solve 50-75% of the world’s geopolitical problems? Get rid of Islam. Capiche?
I find this whole discussion rather strange. I would have loved to think the author balanced, but in reality, when I read for instance the online interview with Front Page Magazine http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C617801C-966A-47F0-8133-81005D98254F, it comes across to me as if Mr. Bawer shows exactly the same kind of reaction to European attitudes, as must the Middle East immigrant.
Furthermore, his reactions seems to be very much the same.
You are right Mr. Bawer. But you are wrong in onn thing. The first difference between Europe and US about islamization is purely geographical: muslim countries are near of Europe and far of America. Morocco and Algeria specially. You think in the US and Mexico, so imagine a islamic Mexico,.. Yes, a nightmare. Is not about better integration of immigrants in the US. It’s high rates of muslim immigrants in Europe. The good luck of America … , so far of the islamic countries
http://eurokrisis.blogia.com
Too few Americans realize that there truly is an Islamization of Europe.
I read Mr.Bawers’ book shortly after it was published and even then “I got it.” Having been to Europe about 25 times during the past 15 years, I was finally able to put into context what I had seen and what I actually was not seeing. I took it very seriously and began educating myself on Islam through books and the internet. What I learned was a real eye opener.
Although I often talked to friends and family about the threat that Islam imposes on America I didn’t get any reaction. Finally, I sent the web links for viewing “Obsession” and “The Third Jihad” (30 min free version) as well as some statistics on the number of mosques in the US (around 2000) and news clips from Europe relating the constant demands made by Muslims who are offended by everything from dogs to crosses and demand that changes be made to stop the offenses. I finally reached them and they finally “got it”.
Also, in another post it was said that 95% of the women in Egypt wear head coverings. This is accurate but not indicative of Islam. I too wear a head scarf while in Egypt to prevent the stares, sexual overtures and just to walk about without waving the American flag and causing unwanted attention.
If America doesn’t wake up soon it will be too late. There will be no one to blame except our government and the media for their constant cover-ups and the insistence of being politically correct at all cost.
Althogh a very good article but shows alot of selective amnesia when it comes to Islam,Jihad,Muslim majority societies (comments about muslim miniroties in west might be correct) Political elite in Europe is bad, for it ignores jihadist islam in the name of political correctness on its home soil, how does supporting Saudi Royal Family, Hussnei Mubarak in Egypt and other monarchies in the arab world make US policy makers any less crimnal since all these governments support sharia and fundamantalism in their countries and probably fund jihad in the west. When it suits US, it can touch pinnacle of hypocysi, in my country Pakistan every time a military dictator has overthrown a democratically elected government it is supported by US be it Gen.Ayub Khan, Gen.Zia-ul-Haq (recipient of the highest amount of aid from US after Israel and Egypt during 80′s and solely responsible for fundamentalising pakistani society, but it suited US in its recruitment of jihadis to fight soviets in afghanistan) or Gen. Musharraf (again an undemocratic ruler despised by his own people yet supported for 9 years by US through massive financial aid) so much for being the leader of the Free world i think when it comes to suporting sharia believing, jihad supporting regeims US political elite and policy makers are head and shoulder above the Europe’s politcally correct elite.
The shame of this whole issue is that the mojority of American patriots that see and know the ideology of islam and it’s basic tenent that it MUST BE SUPREME throughout the globe. This is not multiculturalism this is supremism to the worst degree. It’s true the statement that these politicians are so ignorant and blinded by the false belief that multiculturalism and political correctness is right and good for any freedom loving human beings that I’m praying personally to be right there when the jihadist they have allowed to run rampant claiming their moderation and peacefullness cut their damn heads off. As for me and my house, “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH,” “DON’T TREAD ON ME!!!!” Death to islam and it’s barbaric ideology! No immagration to the United States for any muslim, islamic believers, jihadists! Throw out the ones we already have here! United States of ChristianAmericanPatriots
The Islamisation of my country gathers pace everyday. Listen to the few of us that are unafraid to speak the truth and are as yet still uncowered. Check out LIONHEARTS BLOG a Christian patriot that has had his voice heard by some in America. The Nationlist parties are coming to the fore all over Europe but alas blood will be spilled in the not to distant future. Please listen to the warning before its to late for our cousins in America.One thing in your favour is the right to bear arms, dont give that right away and be prepared to do your duty to defend your childrens right to live and thrive in the land of the free.Wilders Fitna is a must see be informed about the true Islam
No man survives when freedom fails,
The best men rot in filthy jails,
And those who cry ‘appease, appease’
Are hanged by those they tried to please. For anyone who wants to see the extent of the influence that Muslims and their appeasers have in Britain this is the site for you http://concess.blogspot.com/ Great Site so glad I stumbled in.
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But we can write, write, and write again till the cows come home. And that’s all we’ll ever do, thinking we’ve done something for the cause. What we must understand is that the muslims already know we’re at war and they act accordingly. They have been taking up arms against us for years. What do we do? Write comments at websites.
We must now realise we are at war with the muslim world (no, not “radical islam” because there is only one islam and it is: Eradicate all unbelievers.) WE ARE AT WAR WITH MUSLIMS. Forget about even Wilders’ “I’m not against muslims, I love muslims, It’s islam I’m against” – well i ask you Geert Wilders, who in particular is carrying out the fatwas and the stonings and beheadings and female genital mutilations … who but muslims? I know this is deeply politically incorrect but we have to strike at the source of the problem: MUSLIMS.
Before the appeasers and apologists and even people who realise in which direction this is all going, wake up and realise WE ARE AT WAR and act as if they understand this truth, the muslims will win. They already have most of the western world’s governments eating out of their hands. We must fight and we must fight now. Who cares of a few headscarves get torn in the process? They are made of cloth, not flesh. It’s the survival of the western civilisation we’re talking about here.
Dear Mr. Bawer, America is very blind. Most of my fellow Americans are good people, but most of them , regarding of their education are not informed about other cultures and political systems.
Most Americans, are not aware that racism, inequalities are more deeply present in most Non Western societies regardless is such society is an Asian as China, a Latin America as Mexico or Brazil, an African nation like Rwanda, Nigeria, an Islamic like Sudan etc.
They are not aware about that Anti Americans is a dogma used across world cultures as a foil to prevent world cultures to face hard facts
That most of the social, racial ,economical problem are home made , they are tooted in their own culture , not America fault
Most Americans sadly intermingling support Multiculturalism , which is a Trojan horse. Most Americans are supporting national hara kiri .
Even Conservatives and Religious people are in self denial.
Once upon the time, the Catholic Church was one of the social tools for assimilation. Catholic schools used many years ago to promote melting pot and Americanization. Today from Mormons to Catholics and all in between, Galvanization, fragmentation of America though Multiculturalism is the norm for religious institutions.
Social Conservatives, under play up , the social conservative values of immigrants but many of them seems to be blind to a reality that a fellow Mormon or Catholic who shares similar social values if he or she consider that their national/cultural identity is for example Salvadorian, Chinese, Ethiopian, Egyptian, and they teach their American born children and grandchildren that their nationality/culture is Salvadorian, Chinese, Ethiopian . Egyptian , spite of sharing similar social values than their American counterpart they are not American but Anti Americans, helping to erode and dissolve and destroy American nationality because a nation in order to survive , needs that their youth without hesitation or doubts identify as part of that nation, as part of the nation culture and feel strong attachment, identification , loyalty, love and pride otherwise when there is not attachment, loyalty, love or pride, and identification , American national identity is destroy . We became Americans when after several generations European settlers started to identify as Americans over Britons .
Can we ever learn the lessons of history and to be aware that just holding conservative social religious values is not a yardstick to measure who is a good American
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