Whither General Motors?
It looks like President Obama will have his way with the Chrysler bankruptcy. Between demonizing bondholders in public and intimidating them in private, the president has gotten enough secured bondholders to cave that Judge Arthur Gonzalez will most likely approve the prepackaged transfer of Chrysler’s assets to Fiat, the United Auto Workers (UAW), and the U.S. and Canadian governments. The Chrysler cramdown is a forshpeis (appetizer) for the much larger GM bankruptcy to come. Chrysler “only” has $6.9 million in bondholder debt compared to GM’s $30 billion.
The president has been talking about speculators and hedge fund operators. It’s easy to paint them as fat cats, but the Chrysler creditors who tried to litigate the cramdown in bankruptcy court represent pension funds and other regular folks. Many of GM’s bondholders are individual investors too; people looking for reliable interest income.
Patricia St. Pierre is a nice lady. She and her husband Cliff worked hard, raised a family, got their kids through college, and retired on their investments. They live on Grosse Ile, a comfortable island suburb downriver of Detroit. She’s 70 now and she’s worried about having to go back to work because their life savings may be wiped out in a GM bankruptcy. Patricia and her husband have what she calls a “large amount” invested in unsecured GM bonds. Her husband shared with ABC News that it’s about $200,000.
The St. Pierres attended a meeting at the town hall in Warren, MI, across the street from GM’s Tech Center with other older individual bond holders as the president was announcing the bankruptcy of crosstown rival Chrysler. When I asked her how she came to own the bonds, she said that they had moved to bonds during a downturn in the stock market. They wanted to try “something that was safe.” They initially did well with Ford bonds but moved to GM debt three years ago when Ford seemed to be at greater risk than GM. If you remember, Ford ran into rough financial waters and mortgaged the entire company for the $26 billion that’s keeping it afloat without government aid.
At the time, Ford looked precarious. Ford Motor Company has a history of near death, plus the family remembers the failure of Henry Ford’s first automotive venture. Ford hung on to the Model T for too long and then shut down for six months in 1927 to switch over to the Model A. Henry Ford had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 1920s, seven years late. Then, after Edsel Ford died during WWII, a senile Henry took over management of the company. Henry was forced out in favor of his grandson Henry Ford II by Eleanor and Clara Ford, who by then controlled 51% of the company. Hank the Deuce brought in the so-called “whiz kid,” revived the company with modern management, and introduced the revolutionary 1949 Ford, the first modern postwar car. Barely a decade later, Ford was back to losing millions introducing the superfluous Edsel line in the middle of a recession.
Compared with Ford, GM has been the model of stability. As St. Pierre’s broker told them, “You don’t think they’ll ever be out of business.” That’s why the St. Pierres haven’t sold before now as GM’s fortunes plummeted. They also didn’t know at first that the debt was unsecured. Then the bottom fell out last fall. Though neither has worked for the company in years, the St. Pierres have ties to GM. Her father is a GM retiree and she worked for GM out of high school for seven years. Cliff St. Pierre graduated from the General Motors Institute. Like most GMI grads back in the day, he began his career at GM as an intern.
The St. Pierres live off the income from their investments and Patricia acknowledged that they’ve earned interest since owning the bonds, but they face losing all the principal since the bonds are unsecured. GM has offered debt holders 225 shares of stock in a reorganized GM in exchange for $1000 of the $27 billion in debt GM owes, plus whatever accrued interest the bonds have at this point. If they don’t accept the deal, GM will declare bankruptcy and they’ll get nothing. The stock offered to bondholders will represent 10% of GM’s equity. Stockholders, punished for enabling a feckless board of directors, will own 1% of GM stock. The government will own 50% of GM, and the UAW’s VEBA will own the remaining 39%. If GM survives, the stock will be worth a bit more than $4 a share, but nobody is kidding anybody that the shares will have any real value anytime soon.
The thing that most troubles the St. Pierres is that they are being left completely out of the loop by both GM and the government. While the large bondholders are negotiating and are in constant contact with GM and the Presidential Task Force On Autos, the St. Pierres haven’t heard a thing except for the most recent prospectus from GM. There is nobody in the process representing their interests. They’ve contacted their senators, Debbie Stabenow and Carl Levin, for information but their elected officials haven’t been very reassuring. The St. Pierres feel pretty helpless. Their broker doesn’t really know any more than they do. The St. Pierres aren’t destitute, but you can hear the worry in Patricia’s voice: “I’m glad my kids aren’t about to graduate [high school] and go to college.”
While it can be argued that they took a risk and lost, the government cutting in line ahead of other prior creditors creates a huge dilemma for investors (those investors could be you, your family, and your neighbors.) As Cliff St. Pierre said, “Who will want to buy bonds?” Who will want to invest if the government is going to step in and declare your investment virtually worthless?
Some say that GM’s stakeholders, management, the UAW, shareholders and bondholders all deserve blame for the company’s decline, but the bondholders and stockholders, while perhaps giving management too little oversight, played by well-defined rules — the rules and laws we’ve used to become the wealthiest society in the planet’s history. Now the president is rewriting the rules.
When I asked whether she thought the administration in Washington or a bankruptcy judge would be more likely to protect her interests, Patricia St. Pierre laughed ruefully and said the bankruptcy judge. She’s not happy about the government owning GM. Afer all, GM’s bondholders have a bigger investment in the company than the government. “It’s not a good situation,” she said.






On point as always. It’s disturbing how many people see nothing wrong with this issue, whether it’s the gangster government means or the pathetic end of saving this zombie company.
Thanks for your posts on TTAC
I own a Chevy Tahoe and I really like it but I’ll never buy another GM product nor will I ever buy a Chrysler product and I might buy a Ford is they can keep the UAW in line.
I will never spend a nickel to support the government directly or the Democrats indirectly via the UAW.
Whither GM? I hope they die and take the UAW with them.
Except for the deep sensitivity and selfless sacrifice by the UAW, GM might really be in trouble. Thank goodness they can count on Obama for the ownership of a major chunk of the carcass.
Best political investment in American history. Loot for the Union label.
The UAW is in for a slow, agonizing death instead of a swift demise; this is all President Obama has done since he is chained to the Unions.
So now the Chicago gangster can summarily waive the capital structure of large companies facing bankruptcy to placate the UAW? He is going to create an even larger speculative market of hedges who specialize in offering investors reduced settlements for their high-risk investments in companies that the Fed has money in. The laws of unintended consequences are going to come with a vengeance in these deals with the DOA automakers. Instead of reassuring market investors that the rule of law will prevail, the lesson to take away from this is that politics will determine what survives and what does not, and who gets paid, and who gets nothing. This fool thinks he is bigger than the market, but he has an ugly lesson coming, and we are all going to pay for voting for this idiot as a result. Oh, and GM is toast with or without the restructure.
The normal and lawful outcomes of bankrupcy were drastically altered when government demonstrated largess to the unions contrary to the investors. It does require investors to build a car as much as it requires workers. The newly coined word for this bargaining is thug-ocracy. That word would expand to thug-o-crat and thug-ology. It is not a good time in America to own or to invest in a business.
Some random comments. It’s hard to sympathize with individual bondholders who sunk all their nest eggs into one investment. Reminds me of the Enron fiasco when so many employees had all their financial assets in the company. Financial planning isn’t rocket science altho various brokerage firms and paid advisors would have the public think so.
Biggest problems with all the automakers are the overly generous pay and benefits to what are mostly semi-skilled laborers; and second, the whole concept of planned obsolescence. I finally ended my life long “love fest” with US autos. Bought a Nissan in December, 2006 and hope to run it at least 150,000 miles. The Ford I replaced was falling apart at 80,000 miles.
I think the UAW will end up getting a major haircut on these deals. After all, if they’re owners of big portions of both companies, then problems end up in their laps.
Lenders are quickly learning not to trust Barack Obama. They will therefore be more reluctantly to loan more money. The Democrats have long taken it for granted that lenders would make available the money needed to fund their government programs. What happens when the music stops? We will find out very soon enough.
One of the biggest ironies of the Chrysler and GM government run bankruptcy scam is that the State of Michigan and other public pension funds are going to take a big hit. The Obama administration is a group of third world style kleptocrats in the style of Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. They talk about being for the little guy but all they are interested in is taking care of their buddies.
If you want to know what Obama’s conception of society is look no further then demographics of his former state senatorial district in Chicago: 20% on welfare, 75% working poor and lower middle class all ruled by the remaining kleptocratic 5% connected to the Cook County Democratic machine
I share their pain with $9,000 in GM bonds that I had forgotten I even had until recently. Independent of my looming loss – I would not drive a Chrysler if it were given to me free. In the probable event that the Obama administration extends its mafia style tactics to GM, it will join Chrysler in my personal untouchable category.
Using my tax money to turn the country into a banana republic with no respect for the law is not an effective way to win investment dollars. I am just trying to figure out what currency I want to be in when the inflation tsunami hits down the road.
This government can’t even oversee the regulations they put in place and now they also want to take control of businesses. This is insane. This “new” American leadership is a disaster and we haven’t even come close to the tip of the iceberg yet to the hurt they are putting on us.
It’s a damn shame. I really like the new Camero and would buy one sometime this year or next – but not now, not ever if they rip-off bondholders and taxpayers with a similar cram-down.
I agree with Eric. I currently own two Jeeps with long term service contracts all paid for. But I will never ever buy another Chrysler product or a GM for that matter.
The one way the general public can resist this take over of the private sector is to “go Galt” on all companies that the Government owns or hands over to thier Union thug buddies.
Don’t buy the cars. If your current bank accepted TARP money, move to one that didn’t, or one that gave the money back.
Unlike Senator Specter, we don’t have to eat the crap sandwich.
Look on the bright side. Now that the “rule of law” is no longer valid. The next republican President can take GM away from the UAW and give it back to the people who paid for it.
Also any layers and cabinet people who advised B.O. that what he is doing is legal can be tried and jailed.
Obama has tossed contract law in the trash. I also see Obama may have had a little caution seeing how chrysler closure would go before the deadline for GM to jump in the tank.
Obama makes an assumption that when Chrysler resumes building cars this summer, people will spend their money on the New and Improved dodge Rahm.
We have records that demonstrate the fiat name is no value in america. To chrysler nor to it’s customers.
@7. SteveB/Colorado, good luck with that Nissan, they are not very impressive to me. What kind of Ford did you own? My last Ranger went 287,000 miles before I gave it to a friend, my current one has 146,000 and is running fine. Maybe I’m just lucky.
On the “screw the bondholders” issue, how do you think the Chinese (and other foreign dollar-holders) are veiwing this attitude? I understand that the Treasury is having to offer higher rates to move their paper, are the buyers pricing-in the probability of a “restructuring” of the US debt?
One distinguishing characteristic of GM is that it issued in excess of ten billion dollars in exchange-traded debt, usually at $25 per bond, specifically targeted at small investors. (Chrysler, on the other hand, has no such debt, it having been assumed by Daimler AG when the German carmaker deep-sixed its stake in the company.) Apart from institutional holders who represent pension funds etc. and hold $1000 par bonds, there are millions of small investors who stand to be directly damaged by Obama’s tampering with debt priorities.
“millions of small investors who stand to be directly damaged by Obama’s tampering with debt priorities”
One has to hope they voice their concerns before they get screwed, or at least remember who screwed them the next time they go into a voting booth.
Obama is truly just another Chi. thug.Probably just as crooked as the rest.Anybody think he was the only virgin in Chi.politics?
Chrysler and GM are doomed under the proposed re-org`s.Who the hell would want to buy a car designed and manufactured jointly by the UAW and the federal govt.Imagine the level of quality and innovation.
To show the stupidity of the bailouts,the govt “loans” the auto companies billions and then puts a stake through their hearts in the form of more stringent CAFE standards.Forcing them to build small unprofitable cars most people don`t want.
I’m in a sort of toss up. If Bush hadn’t thrown billions at Chrysler and GM, then we wouldn’t have the government risking people investments by strong arming these companies. However, if we hadn’t thrown billions at them then they would both be out of business and the investments would be gone anyway. On the flipside, since some idiots in Washington decided that these companies were ‘too big to fail’ and handed them a bunch of my money, I expect them to make sure they can get it back… or worst case, not throw more bad money at it.
So what the hell can we do?
If we hadn’t bailed them out the St. Pierres would be penniless and working as WallMart greeters and we’d all be talking about buying Hondas and Kia’s because American cars wouldn’t be around anymore.
If we bailed them out then just let them continue down the path they’ve been going, its throwing money into the toilet. It seems pretty obvious that GM and Chrysler has some seriously serious business problems before petty cash dried up.
If we bailed them out, then made demands on how they try to stay in business, to protect the investment… then we have government interfering with private business.
It seems to me that in any of these three scenarios the St. Pierres are screwed. But then, putting all your eggs in a handbasket is a sure trip to hell.
There is no “winning” scenario for these companies, nor for the bailout money, nor for the poor investors that weren’t savvy enough to diversify.
@16, Anton:
I vowed never to buy another American-made car when GM forced me to pay over $3,000 in repairs during the first 6 months I owned a brand new Oldsmobile. Warranty repair? no such thing. I bought a new 2000 Nissan Maxima. It now has over 90,000 miles and I have spent less than $3,000 in repairs in 9 years. I am totally happy with Nissan. I hope the GM employees are forced to beg in the streets. I will get so much satisfaction spitting in their tin cups.
@21. Bill N:
Ouch! Doesn’t your state have a “lemon-law” I would have given that turkey back to Greedy Motors before I spilled that much cash on it. Or parked it in front of the dealer with a big sign on it detailing the problems and lack of warranty coverage, but then, I’m Irish and sort of spiteful.
#9 jerryofva…… “the Obama administration…….all they are interested inis taking care of their buddies…” Well, Bush/Cheney was no different. Living in the West, I watched the biggest land grab in 100 years as millions of acres of our public lands were turned over to the energy industry, mostly to sit undeveloped and as assets on corporate bottom lines. But that’s what one gets when one votes for two oil men for the highest offices in the land.
16 Anton: “what kind of Ford did you own?” 2002 Explorer Sport, 4wd, with manual transmission. Clutch went out at 35,000 miles; clutch went out again, along with the rear end, at 70,000. Prior Explorer did go about 105,000 miles, but it rattled like it was 30 years old. And I baby all my cars, even with some off-roading in legal places.
#20 ratatosk: I mostly agree with you. I’m not sure what choice Bush had about throwing money at the big institutions. I don’t know about the brokers like Merrill Lynch. But AIG has/had operations in over 100 countries. Letting it go away could have been catastrophic for the world economy, even more than throwing billions to prop it up. No easy answers for sure.
GM HAS ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE: CHRYSLER IS DEAD
Putting unions in charge of automakers is putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/proof-of-dumb-ideas-uaw-controls.html
13. G-man:
I agree on the going Galt on GM and Chrysler. The only thing that is going to prop them up now is the government buying their cars.
20. ratatosk:
Good points. It is a no win situation. I guess my question, to myself as much as anyone, is what’s going to happen to all of us that own GM vehicles. You know, service, parts and all the rest.
@22 anton:
This was in ’83. If California had a lemon law at that time I was unaware of it. The problem was a leaky fuel pump which drained if the car sat for 3 or more days – car wouldn’t start. Took it to 5 (count ‘em five) local dealers telling them to replace the pump under warranty. No go. Each of the five dealers said I had bought bad (dirty) fuel and demanded to drain the tank, replace the filters, & tune the engine – $500 (1983 $) a pop – plus towing charges. One even showed me a mason jar full of gunk he claimed to have drained from the tank, only I was watching the car the whole time since the tow truck dumped it off and no mechanic went near it the whole time. From whence came the mason jar full of “bad fuel”? Pump finally went out totally while on vacation. Dealer in Sacramento grudgingly rebuilt it (no new one!). It took 6 hours (one vacation day shot) and the rebuilt part lasted 13 months. New one cost me $800. Me buy GM again? Not in this life!
I really don’t see how Chrysler went bankrupt- because they didn’t spend any money making their vehicles.
I have had three Chrysler, Dodge, vans and everyone had the transmissions fall out.
One fell out twice.
The torque converters would lock up in 3rd gear or low drive.
Motors were not high millage because I couldn’t get them to run.
Then I bought a GMC van and it had to be returned to the dealer.
I think someone on the assembly line dropped a spark plug inside the motor camshaft for a joke.
I now own a Honda van with 128,000 miles 23 mpg. and all it needs is oil change and gas.
Bottom line, bailouts, for the most part, simply put off the inevitable. Now, we have the added impact of a Chicago thug in the form of our esteemed TOTUS (with his insatiable appetite for power and lust to take over each and every damned thing) to deal with that makes the situation worse than it would be (or should be) otherwise.
Funny.,The first time I saw Obama, I immediately thought he was a used car salesman. Flash Forward: I can now see him in a Government Motors commercial hawking the latest models, and the Obamabots racing to the nearest dealership.
We are living in a Bizzaro World.
Big corporations and their high officers have been cheating workers for years – by redesigning the bankruptcy laws and avoiding their fair share of taxes. In addition cram-down is an established part of bankruptcy law. So is section 363(b).
It seems none of the posters ever noticed before. Frankly, I see little difference between partisans of the Left and the Right; utterly selfish, without principles, and very stupid.
SteveB:
I bet you were screaming about $4 gas weren’t you?
I wrote all three of my corrupt hacks in the state of Maryland(I’m leaving the state), GM, and the UAW. I currently own a Chevrolet, it will be the last GM car, or Chrysler I ever own. I told them, it was dishonarable, and unpatriotic to take money from the backs of hardworking Americans, the honorable thing to do would have been bankruptcy. These two companies need to die. We have subsudized them enough through our, and our childrens future tax dollars. They can go to hell, never again. I hope Karma catches up with all of those involved soon. When is someone going to take on this criminal obama and his regime in court?
#31 jerryofva: “I bet you were screaming about $4 gas weren’t you?” Actually, answer is no. As a true conservative, I believe in conservation. I average a highway speed of about 60; my Nissan gives me 26 mpg around 55 mph while I’ll get about 17-18 mpg driving 70 mph on the highway. I still get where I want to go, even at a slower speed.
With $4 gas, I dropped my annual mileage from about 17,000 to 14,000 just by cutting out what for me were some unnecessary trips.
Another reason not to complain about $4 gas is that I have considerable positions in Canadian energy trusts. Those are the kind of energy companies that reward their shareholders with good dividends rather than paying astronomical sums to executives.
I’m sixty eight years old,and always owned GM or Christler products,I won’t buy governmet run vehicles,so it looks like it’s Ford now.
34. Will:”so it looks like it’s Ford now.”
Why a Ford? Why not a Chevy? (Fords just suck, IMHO). Personally, I prefer a Toyota. AFA American goes, I prefer the Jeep (but you ruled that out).
Ford is bankrupt within six months. Sales collapsing, and they will have to compete with a zombie propped up GM and Chrysler who will be busy making Smart CArs for gov’t employees at a loss (subsidized by us sheep). BAAAHHH!!
FYI,
Keep your powder dry and your Treasuries/Cash short-term. 75% chance or greater that the Fed Funds rate is 6%+ by next year. Remember, the Fed/President will ALWAYS side with the Sovereign over the economy. See Carter/Volcker. You can bank on DOW 4500 also. But I wouldn’t short and walk away – Bears eat shorts for dessert. Hedge your equity; go TIPS for bonds; stay heavy cash; dabble in gold and utilities. Ignore Kudlow. Make hay in 2013.
as an equipment provider, I have been in Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, BMW, several GM, Chrysler and Ford plants. The Nissan (Smyrna, TN) workers voted down being UAW three times. Almost all the components for all of the manufacturers are sourced from the same suppliers. All have foundries here and engines, tranys, and most componets are built and assembled in the US. While quality varies from plant to plant, the non union work force is proud to have safe, warm, fair paid jobs with benefits. This alone boost the quality of the products vs. the wimpering, whiney, woe is me attitudes that abound in union plants. Shame on the managment who empowered them by signing their demands. The future of a UAW run company will be short.
i’ve seen no mention whether the bailout money went to the union to carry over it’s pension costs, or do billions go in the crapper just for the priviledge to file bankruptcy?