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		<title>By: ReConUSMC</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/where-rush-limbaugh-went-astray-at-cpac/#comment-263761</link>
		<dc:creator>ReConUSMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so called New idea&#039;s are B/S  and  nothing more than returning to The Moderate Rockfellow Country Club Limo North Eastern Wing of OUT OF TOUCH Fat Kats ! 
Reagan was about MIDDEL AMERICA , 100 % Conservatives getting their votes as were his getting sissy republicans votes   ,cross over  grass root Reagan Democrats , Middle of the Road , Jews and even Blacks . 
The New Moderate republicans have lost three election in a row . 
Bush was a Moderate sissy as was McCain . 
McCain is closer  to Ted Kennedy thinking than he was to Reagan ways to win !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so called New idea&#8217;s are B/S  and  nothing more than returning to The Moderate Rockfellow Country Club Limo North Eastern Wing of OUT OF TOUCH Fat Kats !<br />
Reagan was about MIDDEL AMERICA , 100 % Conservatives getting their votes as were his getting sissy republicans votes   ,cross over  grass root Reagan Democrats , Middle of the Road , Jews and even Blacks .<br />
The New Moderate republicans have lost three election in a row .<br />
Bush was a Moderate sissy as was McCain .<br />
McCain is closer  to Ted Kennedy thinking than he was to Reagan ways to win !</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/where-rush-limbaugh-went-astray-at-cpac/#comment-215676</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bald John....

Yes, VERY trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bald John&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yes, VERY trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Bald John</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/where-rush-limbaugh-went-astray-at-cpac/#comment-215550</link>
		<dc:creator>Bald John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republicans are hurting,in my opinion, because they spent the last couple of decades in an all out effort to cater to the multi-national corporations at the expense of the American worker.  They pushed NAFTA, WTO, outsourcing, illegal aliens, anything to drive down wages. This country is in the state it is because we don&#039;t have a manufacturing base to build on. 

I voted for Bush twice because I could not stomach the alternatives, and forced myself to vote for McCain because of Sarah.  Give Obama hell if you must but it does look like he is trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans are hurting,in my opinion, because they spent the last couple of decades in an all out effort to cater to the multi-national corporations at the expense of the American worker.  They pushed NAFTA, WTO, outsourcing, illegal aliens, anything to drive down wages. This country is in the state it is because we don&#8217;t have a manufacturing base to build on. </p>
<p>I voted for Bush twice because I could not stomach the alternatives, and forced myself to vote for McCain because of Sarah.  Give Obama hell if you must but it does look like he is trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>argh, you talk about tax cuts not being &#039;effective issue&#039;.. COME ON, john, tax cuts are part of our principles!  We should always work toward reducing tax burdens on the producers of our economic engine..  not just at campaign time, and not just to win votes!  I have a hard time believing more than a tiny few of that 40% will EVER vote for us, because they&#039;re voting for checks not leadership..  so why even BRING THEM UP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>argh, you talk about tax cuts not being &#8216;effective issue&#8217;.. COME ON, john, tax cuts are part of our principles!  We should always work toward reducing tax burdens on the producers of our economic engine..  not just at campaign time, and not just to win votes!  I have a hard time believing more than a tiny few of that 40% will EVER vote for us, because they&#8217;re voting for checks not leadership..  so why even BRING THEM UP?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hawkins,

what Rush MEANT by the point you have misunderstood is simple-- 

we cannot win by adopting LIBERAL policies and tweaking THEM to seem less liberal.  He is telling us we can&#039;t adopt Porkulus and then trim spending by 40% and say OUR porkulus is more conservative than theirs..  

our PRINCIPLES should prevent us from even PRESENTING a porkulus, slimmed down or NOT.  It&#039;s TOO MUCH SPENDING at 1/10th its size.  

our PRINCIPLES tell us that the way to spur the economy is by cutting taxes and FREEING ENTREPRENEURS and business to go get the profits without fearing they will be seized by a greedy hungry spend-monster government.  

Can&#039;t believe you wrote a whole column on this misunderstanding on your part.

Dave in Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hawkins,</p>
<p>what Rush MEANT by the point you have misunderstood is simple&#8211; </p>
<p>we cannot win by adopting LIBERAL policies and tweaking THEM to seem less liberal.  He is telling us we can&#8217;t adopt Porkulus and then trim spending by 40% and say OUR porkulus is more conservative than theirs..  </p>
<p>our PRINCIPLES should prevent us from even PRESENTING a porkulus, slimmed down or NOT.  It&#8217;s TOO MUCH SPENDING at 1/10th its size.  </p>
<p>our PRINCIPLES tell us that the way to spur the economy is by cutting taxes and FREEING ENTREPRENEURS and business to go get the profits without fearing they will be seized by a greedy hungry spend-monster government.  </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t believe you wrote a whole column on this misunderstanding on your part.</p>
<p>Dave in Texas</p>
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		<title>By: whyyeseyec</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/where-rush-limbaugh-went-astray-at-cpac/#comment-215329</link>
		<dc:creator>whyyeseyec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, you are correct. 

Nothing else matters.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, you are correct. </p>
<p>Nothing else matters&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magnus Anderson makes an excellent point. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Maybe we are challenged both by a general trend of “modern” relativistic thinking, which we havn’t been anaware as we should as well as a slippery slope of larger government which benefits from eroded “old” values — thus modern way of thinking boosts big government and vice versa. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Think of it this way;  If we &#039;update&#039; our ideas/ideals/principles away from conservatism, what are we really doing, but willingly changing them so as to be more like liberals? 

You want fresh approaches? Well, let&#039;s try &#039;compassionate conservatism&#039;. Oops. Been done, already, huh? What did that do except grow government? 

Similarly, the movement away from our conservative values is what caused John McCain to be nominated, and what caused him to lose in the general. In a choice between socialism and socialism lite,apparently the choice is for the real thing, or nothing.
 
We keep getting &#039;moderates&#039; who encourage us to move left, and guess what? Every time we do, we move farther away from where we want to be.  Perhaps the change that needs to take place is moving back that 30 years that John speaks of, and thereby to a 200-some-odd year old agenda that I&#039;ve heard of, once upon a time.

The argument should not be focused on the idea that we need to change in order to be relevant... what needs to improve is our commitment to relating how our positions are &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; relevant, and should never have been given up.

I see this as an ongoing process. Chesterton, I think it was, painted a word picture about a white post. If you want to keep it white, you&#039;ve gotta keep painit or at least cleaning the thing. It&#039;s a maintainence thing. We need to keep poinding on the principles of the thing, keep reselling them, keep the idea high in the public eye that our principles, our agenda of freedom, was, is, and always will be valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magnus Anderson makes an excellent point. </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Maybe we are challenged both by a general trend of “modern” relativistic thinking, which we havn’t been anaware as we should as well as a slippery slope of larger government which benefits from eroded “old” values — thus modern way of thinking boosts big government and vice versa. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Think of it this way;  If we &#8216;update&#8217; our ideas/ideals/principles away from conservatism, what are we really doing, but willingly changing them so as to be more like liberals? </p>
<p>You want fresh approaches? Well, let&#8217;s try &#8216;compassionate conservatism&#8217;. Oops. Been done, already, huh? What did that do except grow government? </p>
<p>Similarly, the movement away from our conservative values is what caused John McCain to be nominated, and what caused him to lose in the general. In a choice between socialism and socialism lite,apparently the choice is for the real thing, or nothing.</p>
<p>We keep getting &#8216;moderates&#8217; who encourage us to move left, and guess what? Every time we do, we move farther away from where we want to be.  Perhaps the change that needs to take place is moving back that 30 years that John speaks of, and thereby to a 200-some-odd year old agenda that I&#8217;ve heard of, once upon a time.</p>
<p>The argument should not be focused on the idea that we need to change in order to be relevant&#8230; what needs to improve is our commitment to relating how our positions are <i>already</i> relevant, and should never have been given up.</p>
<p>I see this as an ongoing process. Chesterton, I think it was, painted a word picture about a white post. If you want to keep it white, you&#8217;ve gotta keep painit or at least cleaning the thing. It&#8217;s a maintainence thing. We need to keep poinding on the principles of the thing, keep reselling them, keep the idea high in the public eye that our principles, our agenda of freedom, was, is, and always will be valid.</p>
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		<title>By: a giant slor</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/where-rush-limbaugh-went-astray-at-cpac/#comment-214895</link>
		<dc:creator>a giant slor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MoveOn claims about 3.2 million members. Daily Kos claims between 14 million and 24 million visits per month. That&#039;s about 5 million per week.

Rush claims 20 million listeners a week.

How is MoveOn or Daily Kos more influential on the Democratic Party than Rush is on the GOP? The numbers don&#039;t add up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoveOn claims about 3.2 million members. Daily Kos claims between 14 million and 24 million visits per month. That&#8217;s about 5 million per week.</p>
<p>Rush claims 20 million listeners a week.</p>
<p>How is MoveOn or Daily Kos more influential on the Democratic Party than Rush is on the GOP? The numbers don&#8217;t add up.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus Andersson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe -- I say maybe, not anything more -- Limbaugh has a tendency toward idealism, e.g. for personal freedom, in a way which isn&#039;t typically conservative, but rather slightly closer to libertarians? But the freedom of the US, which also Reagan was focused on, is of course always and still crucial (and I&#039;ll say its source is Christianity). I guess the focus on freedom made the communist system collapse easier and is important today to avoid new regulations where politicians gain power on maybe even global basis. But the word freedom is also, gradually more and more, a word for no limits in how anyone lives his life. That sounds good for most people today, but do we really think that any value or way to live can be accepted before it more explicitly leads to death of victims or other losses (relevant in utilitarianism). And who can judge anyway? New moral is the opposite of &quot;old&quot; moral, and to be able to defend on (old) moral basis that people are not hurt may be done through communications of the difference between new (=no) and old moral, and a conservative view can be to defend that regulations are avoided where instead morality is regained.

E.g. too much social benefits erode the dependence between members of families. Maybe moral is corruped when there&#039;s a tendency to achieve what a generously giving state wants one to do rather than to act according to what real persons around oneself are in need for?

Maybe we are challenged both by a general trend of &quot;modern&quot; relativistic thinking, which we havn&#039;t been anaware as we should as well as a slippery slope of larger government which benefits from eroded &quot;old&quot; values -- thus modern way of thinking boosts big government and vice versa. (Vice versa = conservatism enables and benefits from small government.)

I liked Limbaughs speech -- partly because of his skills as a great political artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe &#8212; I say maybe, not anything more &#8212; Limbaugh has a tendency toward idealism, e.g. for personal freedom, in a way which isn&#8217;t typically conservative, but rather slightly closer to libertarians? But the freedom of the US, which also Reagan was focused on, is of course always and still crucial (and I&#8217;ll say its source is Christianity). I guess the focus on freedom made the communist system collapse easier and is important today to avoid new regulations where politicians gain power on maybe even global basis. But the word freedom is also, gradually more and more, a word for no limits in how anyone lives his life. That sounds good for most people today, but do we really think that any value or way to live can be accepted before it more explicitly leads to death of victims or other losses (relevant in utilitarianism). And who can judge anyway? New moral is the opposite of &#8220;old&#8221; moral, and to be able to defend on (old) moral basis that people are not hurt may be done through communications of the difference between new (=no) and old moral, and a conservative view can be to defend that regulations are avoided where instead morality is regained.</p>
<p>E.g. too much social benefits erode the dependence between members of families. Maybe moral is corruped when there&#8217;s a tendency to achieve what a generously giving state wants one to do rather than to act according to what real persons around oneself are in need for?</p>
<p>Maybe we are challenged both by a general trend of &#8220;modern&#8221; relativistic thinking, which we havn&#8217;t been anaware as we should as well as a slippery slope of larger government which benefits from eroded &#8220;old&#8221; values &#8212; thus modern way of thinking boosts big government and vice versa. (Vice versa = conservatism enables and benefits from small government.)</p>
<p>I liked Limbaughs speech &#8212; partly because of his skills as a great political artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus Andersson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW. I dont&#039; know if this is a pro-partisan site, and I&#039;m sorry if that accusation was wrong, or if I was rude somewhere else. I don&#039;t use to visit this- or non-swedish political sites. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW. I dont&#8217; know if this is a pro-partisan site, and I&#8217;m sorry if that accusation was wrong, or if I was rude somewhere else. I don&#8217;t use to visit this- or non-swedish political sites. &#8230;</p>
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