When Do We Get That Job ‘Surge’?
Presidents generally enjoy a honeymoon both because the public wants their presidents to succeed and because in the early stages of a presidency the mistakes, lies, and screw-ups have not yet materialized. But soon they do. And in the case of this presidency, the non-stimulus plan is proving to be the equivalent of the first serious fight between the newlyweds.
The stimulus plan was bad policy, poorly conceived and oversold. It isn’t working, yet the president insists his policy was perfect. The result now is a surprising agreement between the Left and Right.
On the Left, Bob Herbert chimes in:
Vice President Joe Biden told us this week that the Obama administration “misread how bad the economy was” in the immediate aftermath of the inauguration. Puh-leeze. Mr. Biden and President Obama won the election because the economy was cratering so badly there were fears we might be entering another depression. No one understood that better than the two of them. Mr. Obama tried to clean up the vice president’s remarks by saying his team hadn’t misread what was happening, but rather “we had incomplete information.”
On the Right, House Minority Leader John Boehner calls foul:
I found it … interesting over the last couple of days to hear Vice President Biden and the president mention the fact that they didn’t realize how difficult an economic circumstance we were in. … Now this is the greatest fabrication I have seen since I’ve been in Congress. I’ve sat in meetings in the White House with the vice president and the president. There’s not one person that sat in those rooms that didn’t understand how serious our economic crisis was.
Hmm. We have consensus. And the president has a problem, both on policy and on credibility.
On the policy side of the equation, we have an economy still reeling. Unemployment, consumer and investor confidence, the Dow, and credit delinquency rates reflect that we are far from the end of the recession. As Herbert points out, “The roof is caving in on struggling American families that have already seen the value of their homes and retirement accounts put to the torch.” There will be less consumption and the doldrums will continue so long as unemployment increases. As David Wessel of the Wall Street Journal explains:
In December 2008, forecasters surveyed by the Wall Street Journal predicted the jobless rate would hit what then seemed a very high 8.1% at the end of 2009. Surveyed again this past week, forecasters now anticipate year-end unemployment of 10%. That suggests 775,000 more Americans will join the ranks of the jobless in the next six months. Because most Americans depend on their paychecks for their shopping, a weak job market and lousy wage growth have cast an ominous shadow over consumer spending and the overall economy.
Liberals are clearly getting nervous. Their Keynesian religious-like faith rests on the notion that government spending “creates” economic activity and wealth. So the answer must be: more stimulus!
TO: Jennifer Rubin
RE: I Disagree
They are trying a different technique. Something to do with ‘smoke and mirrors’. This should take the place of the vitally important Michael Jackson funeral, now that it’s over, to hold the attention of the ‘rubes’ who watch television.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....eventually. But for oh so many, it will be too late.....]
“The president, like his predecessor, might therefore want to think seriously about a ‘surge’….”
Except that the surge in Iraq really was a solid dose of “more of the same, just smarter”. Sure, a military tactician could expound on the change in strategy, but for most of us…. well, a fella, name of Bill Whittle (ever heard of him?) described it thusly –
“I think the Surge has had spectacular success not because of the additional troops so much as for the fact that when the media and the Democrats demanded we cut and run… we did not cut and run. We doubled down. When the calls for defeat and dishonor were at their loudest – sad to say a not unwarranted street rep we had made for ourselves – somehow, somehow we simply just hung on and gave them not a retreat but a charge.”
So what will Obama’s “charge!” look like. “Let’s rally and spend a BUNCH more money!” Gosh, how inspiring.
But that’s all he can do in the way of a “surge” that would be a parallel. Anything else would be, not a surge forward, but an active retreat, self-evidently advertising that he ran up the wrong hill to start with.
I’ve said numerous times that Obama may have been effective as a politician for reasons A,B, and C, but I cannot for the life of me get any hint of strategic thinking from the guy at all. (Given where he would lead with such a strategy, perhaps that is a blessing.)
I think he’s boxed himself in, and us along with him.
TO: Jennifer Rubin, et al.
RE: Why Reverse Course?
Obama himself says his plan is ‘working’. And, for all I can see, it IS….for him.
To reverse course on the Obama economic policies would to be to void the ‘Plan’ to destroy it…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[As I was saying......The Truth will out....But.....]
Ms Rubin, excellent post, excellent points. While we are at it, here is an interesting juxtaposition of quotes from The Boy King that deserves attention, underscoring how this idiot is flying by the seat of his pants, courtesy The Illustrated Conservative blog:
January 2009: “That is why I have moved quickly to work with my economic team and leaders of both parties on an American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan that will immediately jumpstart job creation and long-term growth.”
Today (from radio address): “The Recovery Act was not designed to work in four months – it was designed to work over two years,” Mr. Obama said, after telling listeners that the plan hadn’t been intended “to restore the economy to full health on its own, but to provide the boost necessary to stop the free fall.”
January 2009: “Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy – where a lack of spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending; where an inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less credit… I am confident will save or create at least three million jobs over the next few years.”
Today: “I realize that when we passed this Recovery Act, there were those who felt that doing nothing was somehow an answer. Today, some of those same critics are already judging the effort a failure although they have yet to offer a plausible alternative.”
Ah, yes. The imprecise and impossible to measure “save or create” yardstick. Also, somewhere in this miasma of newspeak, The Dear Leader emitted some circular argument about the 49 billion or so being allotted to the extension of unemployment benefits. Comforting, I am sure, to those without work but hardly instrumental in “saving or creating” new jobs. In fact, one wonders where the incentive would be for the unemployed to seek work, knowing they had several more months at the government tit.
“Admitting failure and changing course” is just not in HopenChange’s DNA. The money that was approved is being released too slowly and not enough of it was front-loaded. The timing of the “economic surge” was always intended to be closer to the 2010 elections. I’m not sure the American people are that patient–they can’t afford to be–nor do they really, really like the President that much.
The Washington press corps is going to question “the One?” I’m afraid that’s ‘hoping’ for a ‘change’ we’re unlikely to see.
“Admitting failure and changing course”
This would contradict everything Barack Obama believes concerning economic matters. He is convinced that benevolent and highly credentialed elites should be running things. The common folk are too dumb to handle their own affairs. Only a subtly fascist government can save the day. He is far too invested in this mindset to reverse course. We are therefore left with one viable option: the majority of Americans must neutralize the Obama administration. Unrelenting pressure muse be applied to our elected officials in both houses of Congress. They have to know that there will be a serious price to be paid by anyone supporting Obama’s authoritarian policies.
Войска ПВО quoted Obama,”The Recovery Act was not designed to work in four months – it was designed to work over two years,” Mr. Obama said, after telling listeners that the plan hadn’t been intended “to restore the economy to full health on its own, but to provide the boost necessary to stop the free fall.”
Of course it was designed to work after two years. That is when the next elections will take place. Americans are such suckers!
I disagree with Jennifer Rubin in that she is assuming that Obama wants to change what is going on economically in ths country. Actually, I think he is very happy with the economic progrss being made by his policies because his primary goal is to turn the United States into a big-government European-style socialist nanny state. Obama wants the American public to be dependant on the Federal Government for everything, from schools to health care to job security to housing, just like Britain or France. He is also determined to gut our Defense Department in order to pay for all of these social-welfare programs, just like in Europe. The European contributions to NATO are mainly a joke when compared to the United States, and the Europeans know it. Europe is so consumed with their social-welfare lifestyles that they are happy to let the United States pay for its defense. And even by not having to pay for a strong military, the European nanny states are still financial disasters. Obama wants us to be just like France or Britain, which is why he is fighting so hard for “health care reform,” which is basically socialized medicine. If he gets that passed, there will be no turning back and his plans for socializing our entire economy will e complete (he already has the banks, car companies, AIG, and soon he’ll control the energy companies through Cap and Trade). Who cares if tere are massive budget deficits and no military to speak of? The American people will be dependent on Washington for EVERYTHING and will learn to live with a stagnant economy, no economic growth, high unemployment and a lousy job market as long as Washington pays all the bills. So I would say that Obama’s economic policies are right on schedule. And he could care less if he’s re-elected. He is an ultra-liberal from Chicago and the “struggle” is what is important, not personal gain. As long as he achieves his goal of turning this country into a weak, irrelevant, European-style nanny state, he will think he was a success.
The Obama administration has a solution that makes the problems worse.
Private industry does not create more jobs when threatened with more taxes on employees. A healthcare fine, inability to shield foreign earning from US taxes, higher tax rates as Bush tax cuts expire, energy taxes through Cap & Trade, etc.
Nobody is going to increase hiring in the face of reduced demand, higher costs and increased taxes.
Without the kind of changes that admit errors in their plan, the economy cannot improve – even with insane government spending in 2010.
The world of instant gratification.
Do you know how much is one billion?
USA employed: 155.2 million
USA unemployed: 14.51 million
$1,000,000,000/14,500,000= $69/person
$767 billion/14.5 million= $52,896 bailout/unemployed persons
$767 billion/730 days= $1.051 billion/day average bailout money in 2 years
Funny world of statistics
President Obama’s administrations economic illiteracy is being exposed. Ms Rubin’s article is right on point. The stimulus isn’t working just as many of us knew it wouldn’t back when it was rammed through Congress in February. Ms. Rubin also points out that this is a failure of the Keynesian economists who advise the One. Keynes and his failures are widely documented, but liberals keep trotting out his theory every time there is a downturn in the economy. Friedman and Laffer always outperform the vaunted Keynes. The President’s economic theories are going to produce economic misery for Americans. Add in Cap and Tax and healthcare “reform” and unemployment is likely to head towards 11%.
The President had his chance to be effective and chose to employ the same failed policies of FDR and the Japanese government of the 1990′s. This is a failure of his judgement, there is no other way to put it. The American people are not going to buy his “its working as intended” spin. His path is going to inevitably get alot steeper as the months pass. The economic malaise is a long way from over. The President and this Democrat dominated Congress are entirely responsible for picking political payoff over proven economic recovery theory. They are going to live with the consequences, just like the rest of us. How shortsighted and foolish.
TO: All
RE: vivo, the Math Idiot
Let see now….
USA employed: 155.2 million
USA unemployed: 14.51 million
….that’s 155.2/14.51 = 9.3% (which is old, as I heard the new figure is 9.5%) unemployment. That’s pushing double digits. And for decades it had been between 4-6%.
Then there’s this business about $1B.
Maybe he should be looking at the $2T, if the health care and Cap and Trade bills go through.
What was it someone once said….
Figures doen’t lie, but liars figure.
Looks like Vivo’s taken that lesson to heart….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....Vivo is a liar......]
It is nice to now notice that people are now commenting that the president is lying. He has been lying since he first started his campaign, and I used to think that Bill Clinton was bad but this guy is far worse. When some of my cohorts at work were so happy about his election and when asked how I felt I stated that his political philosophy was socialist and that his policies would harm not help the economy, and that most likely within the next six months to a year that we would be layed off, and I was right as 75% of our workforce has since lost their job including myself. This stimulus is not working and instead it is not only failing but wrecking the economy.
Nobody at PM seems to get it that Obama’s army of black, hispanic, single white female, homosexual and Jewish supporters RELISH the assault on the great white straight goyishe married middle class. The more punishment the better. As long as the transfer payments continued vampire America will stay happy.
Zero’s got a lock on ’12.
Jennifer,
Your underlying assumption is that O actually wanted the stimulus to succeed and is mearly buying time for this to happen. I do not believe this to be the case.
This stimulus package had significantly less “stimulus” than did the failed Bush – Pelosi attempt last year. The package was a wish list of every unfunded Liberal desire for the past half century – but was no one’s idea of a package that would meaningfully have a positive impact on the economy. These people are not stupid – this was by design. I just can not tell what is/was the intended design.
i do not understand what exactly the “game” is – but can see not even a remote possibility that it bears any relation to the verbage. perhaps Libertyship is correct. i somehow fear however that it runs a little deeper
I am no conspiracy theory whacko – I fix companies for a living which requires a healthy dose of seeing things as they truly are. A second half fiscal bill with discretionary spending up 8% with 8,000 earmarks + a stimulus package with little stimulus and 50% expenditure 2+ years out + an industry killing energy bill + single payer health care that has a lousy track record wherever it has been put in, legacy killng debt and deficits – - – -there is definately somethings more here than meet the eye…..it makes no sense – to me.
Admitting failure and changing course may be the only way to rescue both the economy and Obama’s presidency.
IT WONT HAPPEN …stop thinking he will change. has he ever done anything to make you think he is anything but the marxist he claims to be¿? wake up. he is like all the dictators of the last 100 years. they all started with similar retoric.
TO: ricpic, et al.
RE: Only….
….if he declares martial law.*
Regards,
Chuck(le)
* And THEN he’ll have a civil revolt…..
Surge? Actually a full retreat is in order. Freeze all stimulus monies not already spent. Refinance the debt on a new 40 or 50-year note. Cut taxes. Return to fiscal responsibility with a balanced budget. So simple that even a Princeton grad could figure it out.
ricpic at # 15,
There is another army in America. It is the one ignored by the MSM, the army of the productive. It is made up of employers and employees, 70% of them in small business. Some of them are hard working Democrats. Some are hardworking Republicans. Some are hardworking independents. Most in this army are free enterprise oriented people who are astute judges of what works and what doesn’t. These people get up each day, risk what they have and are productive. They are intolerant of failure what ever their political ideology may be. They are not ivory tower type elitists. The MSM coming staight out of the tower know about these people, but don’t understand them.
When the people in the army of the productive become angry and vote the elite out of power, the MSM is always dumbfounded. President Obama is a lock in 2012 only if this army is happy with his performance. Double digit unemployment, higher taxes and diminished prosperity are not going to help his reelection chances.
President Obama is too arrogant, egotistical, & full of platitudes to admit any failure; he will continue to live in his fantasy land of rainbows & unicorns ignoring the reality of the real world as unemployment surges & inflation comes upon the heels of the economic recovery. He will continue to try to transform the United States into a Communist Collective as he attempts to grow the Executive Branch. President Obama & the other Democrats overreached long ago & their effects on the nation is just now being felt.
TO: steve macdonald, et al.
RE: Heh
I spent 27 years in the Army. I learned a LOT from it vis-a-vis trying to make sense out of odd information when the ‘other guy’ doesn’t want you to know what they’re up to.
And, if you look at what Obama is doing from your standard everyone-wants-to-do-what’s-right approach….
….you’re right. His activities don’t make any sense.
BUT….
….if you look at it from a different perspective, that he doesn’t want to do what’s right for US….
….it all makes perfect sense.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean people AREN'T out to 'get you'.]
P.S. Remember THIS….
When all the other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever remains, no matter how improbable or unlikely, has to be the truth.
Maybe “his” plan is working, and the US economy has shown too much resilience to becoming third world in a hurry. We can guess, we can name,we can analyze effects, we can wishfully think that Potus will be Potus, and we can be sure that we are not sure of what is his end game.
The Truth Committee hearings would be laughable by name if they were not so damn dangerous to the national interests, seemed so much like the old Soviet purges, and would serve so well as a political distraction to a failing jobs market and economy.
Nothing will save his presidency!
Funny how now Obama is saying his plan will take “years” to come to fruition. Should we believe him when his crystal ball claims that with the stimulus we will not see unemployment numbers over 8%? Can any liberals say 9.5%?
Where the rubber meets the road is where Obama has shown his ineptitude. Sure he could pump us full of optimism with his soaring speeches, but now that we actually expect results, he has failed us all. Failed the US, failed the Constitution, failed the world. What a dismal administration.
And there in lies the destruction. The golden goose is uncertain and stressed so it has stopped laying golden eggs. Obama’s mistake is the US economy isn’t based on commodities that can be seized and conscripted for government benefit like Chavez did with Venezuela’s oil. The US economy is based on the efforts and intellect of millions of people. When they get distracted by worries of the future and whether they will see benefit from their efforts, their production slows down. Sure Obama could appoint overseers with whips but then how do you whip someone into creating the next iPod? The people who could be put under production quotas are the very people you list as being Obama supporters. Vampires need blood, drain too much and your meal ticket dies, then you die.
So… they passed a bill that was UNREAD…..
Now they state they MISREAD the economy….
When do we get a new government reading program? That seems to be the answer for everything.
Stimulus Package= $787 billion millstone around the necks of all who voted for it.
the other shoe is dropping….
I’d also like to add that the liberals have yet to see how Obama is failing. The trumpets that sound the alarm for that crowd are keeping silent so far. Their newspaper of record, the NYT is still in the tank and not reporting the status of the stimulus. The NYT would much rather poll and discuss Sarah Palin than our current TOTUS for obvious reasons. The liberal websites of choice, the HuffPo and the DailyKos spend more time talking up Michelle Obama’s clothing and arm shape than her husbands obvious lack of knowledge on the economy, foreign policy, Constitution, etc. Wednesday night cocktail hour at the White House? The liberals are all over that. What Michelle wore at Buckingham Palace? Send in the “reporters”. They have their heads in the sand because the alternative is admitting what we all know to be true. Obama is failing and we’re all going to pay for his downfall.
That’s why the liberals posting here always seem so uniformed and undereducated. They literally have no clue what’s going on outside of what Obama wants to spoonfeed them.
Cantor is right,and bringing the porkulus-stimulus to a screeching halt might save our economic system. But Obama can’t admit a mistake he didn’t make; he meant to destroy capitalism,and so his plan is working as planned.
….you all still think there is going to be a moment when Obama sees the light and does the right thing. STOP being so naive.
his goal is socialism (the marxist variety) and he is setting the ground work along with the usefull idiots of the media.
Obama is an example of deceit in high places …from his roots in the Chicago machine, his friends and associates …his deeds and words on the world stage. and from a deceitfull background you all think things will get better ?? are you all NUTS !!
he may not succeed but that is the road he is on …destroying the economy, blaming capatilism and making people equal (equally poor that is).
this is nothing new …it worked and continues to work for the world´s dictators past and present.
the right has always compromised and the left never. each time the right gets weaker and left stronger. …we have reached the point where the right has been left morally bankrupt by their eagerness to work together.
…still waiting to see the birth certificate.
8. Jerry writes: “Of course it was designed to work after two years. That is when the next elections will take place. Americans are such suckers!”
But, then again Jerry, this little ploy might have just backfired on two levels: firstly, their trying too much too soon and pissing off the common folk while. secondly, denying the economy all chances of recovering and dooming it to a slower pace a la FDR’s pathetic efforts in the 30s.
Too smart by half, they.
So what will Obama’s “charge!” look like. “Let’s rally and spend a BUNCH more money!”
Yes, and that is “health care” and Cap & Trade.
These people actually believe these measures will help the economy.
The policy of The O and his gang of merry thugs wasn’t intended to work, it was intended to gain and spread power.
If it was intended to work, even if government spending did work, it would have directed in different ways, not parceled out to ACORN and to Blue states on a purely political basis.
The O, with his slimy henchmen, Axelrod and the ballet dancer/5ft toughguy Emanuel, counted on the whore media to give them cover and time. And so it has been.
Works ? Power works and that’s what the fascists want and are getting.
With the concept that the recovery was intended to take hold in time for the 2010 election, there is another problem. That election may be compromised by false votor registrations. Remember ACORN? One way to overcome their manipulation is to have every votor receive the famous ‘ink stained finger’ used in Iraq to prevent multiple voting. It would be a cheap and easy way to do an end run on Chicago-style registered ‘votors’.
Obama is doing the same thing that the Dems accused Bush of doing: refusing to admit to mistakes. Granted, I think that there were a few mistakes that Bush should have owned up to, but that does not excuse Obama’s doing the same. I do not expect that the Dems will ever admit to a mistake unless they turn it back to Bush’s fault.
A Thinking Person @ 29,
Exactly correct. The use of the inane and superficial in an attempt to distract people from the facts. In late aged Rome they did it with a circus at the Coliseum.
Most of the major dailies, Time, Newsweek, and the majority of national television networks are more interested in promoting their prefered political outcome than the actual facts. They are complicit in the deception because they offer no actual analysis as to whether the administration’s economic policy has a chance of working. Relativism is the new order of news presentation along with distraction. And they wonder why market share is slipping and circulation decreasing.
As George Will pointed out today, everyone has forgotten that there was a $168 billion Stimulus Bill passed by the Democrats and signed by President Bush in Feb 2008 when unemployment was 4.8%. It obviously didn’t work so they threw almost another trillion dollars at the economy last February with unemployment at 7.8%. Aanother stimulus would be the third in a year-and-a-half.
The economy isn’t failing despite all the spending, it is failing because of it. It’s obvious that taxes and inflation are going both going way up. Everyone is battening down the hatches for a long economic storm. More Stimulus Spending, Cap and Trade, and Government Healthcare are all economic coffin nails.
The republican are still too gutless to make a real fight of this. Instapundit has a link to a post about the possibility of an emerging “third Way” center right party. The only way this would work is if the disparate groups can find enough common ground to overlook their differences. My church has a saying that reflects our relationship with other denominations: “Unity in the essentials, Liberty in the non essentials, and in all things Charity”. If the Constitution is the “Essential” I say leave the social issues to the states. If the people of Mass. want gay marriage I say let them make that decision as long as they make it and not the court. I will support the social issues I stongly believe in in my own home state.
Maybe if Obama would actually bring in people that know something about the economy, it can be fixed. How can someone that has never started a business, paid a payroll, paid taxes and competed against other businesses, fix a capitalist system? If he had brought in people like Thomas Sowell or Steve Forbes to give him advice I could respect that, but all he hires are stooges.
So the economy is still receding despite Obama’s best efforts. What to do? What to do? (thought worriedly)
I know…lets investigate Bush, Cheney, et al for war, or whatever, crimes!
The problem with the “stimulus” is that it really isn’t a stimulus at all .. it’s just more spending. It doesn’t even try to stimulate American business, it shuns it.
Economic train wreck worked out pretty well for FDR. Right now there’s a move afoot to repeal the 22nd amendment. Coincidence? FDR proved that if things get bad enough, the crooks, liars, and incompetents will keep getting reelected.
Question for the class: If FDR hadn’t have died in office, how many more terms would he have had? And what would that have meant for the American economy?
TO: Strawman
RE: Don’t You Just LOVE IT….
….when a ‘Plan’ comes together?
And people wonder why I’ve been on such a tear about the evils of Reynolds v. Simms (SCOTUS 1964). How it overthrew every state constitution by turning the state senate into an over-paid version of the state house of representatives.
Now….guess which party dominates most state assemblies in BOTH houses as a result.
And as an additional step, consider how states ratify a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Anyone else here FINALLY ‘getting a clue’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Nobody's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session.]
prediction: about the middle of next year – as the bulk of stim dollars are flowing into state’s coffers and shovel ready projects, Rubin – once again, will be proved wrong by the Obama administration. Unemployment will tick down and Obama’s numbers will once again head up. Rubin suggests that the economy MIGHT heal on it’s own – and the democrats MAY get lucky – a chump-change hedge based on her continuous epic fails regarding Obama – she’s the female Bill Kristol these days.
15. ricpic:
“Nobody at PM seems to get it that Obama’s army of black, hispanic, single white female, homosexual and Jewish supporters RELISH the assault on the great white straight goyishe married middle class. The more punishment the better. As long as the transfer payments continued vampire America will stay happy.
Zero’s got a lock on ‘12.”
Wow. Just wow.
“It may not be long before the Washington press corps start hounding Obama, as they did George W. Bush, to admit “error.””
Don’t hold your breath. The MSM has more invested in a successful Obama presidency than his party. If Obama fails and the Democrats go back to minority status they just pick up their rifles and resume sniping. They only lose the plum offices at the Capitol. The press needs Obama to succeed so they can halt their slide into oblivion. W/O a successful Obama Administration the NY Times becomes Sulzberger’s personal blog in 10 years.
But Obama is quite correct when he tells us that the Porculus is working. It is functioning precisely as designed. All of the Dem campaign contributors and loyal supporters are being paid off handsomely, thank you. Dependency on government services is growing apace and liberal special interests are acquiring more and more power from a coercive government.
The conservatives and common sense people who are accustomed to producing and dealing with reality have an element in their fury, insights, fact-based opinions and slow-burning fuses that is not featured in the arguments and talking points of the libs.
We are actually fighting for the survival of the United States of America and of truth.
Fighting for foundational things and fearing the loss of life’s principles provides energy, anger and focus that is different than those who fight for shortrange, completely selfish reasons having to do with money and power and self-importance.
Since the common sense and conservative folks have never been as stirred up (in our lifetime) as they are becoming, I’m wondering if the left has under-estimated our ability to fight well.
Because we have, for the most part, been silent and simply “coping” through all the crap of the last 50 years, I wonder if they have assumed that it was because we had nothing to say and didn’t have the courage to say it??
If this misjudgment is at play, it would explain the freaked out, kneejerk namecalling and personal attacks that seem to be all they are good at. Not too much of that in this column thread yet….but I’m just thinking in general and was reminded of this because of the fine facts presented both in Ms. Rubin’s column and some of the responses already.
Let’s keep at it. Obviously, we vary in our mastery of facts and ability to expres them–but it’s “everybody in the pool” time.
2010 will be a bloodbath for Congress. Then the economy will begin to turn around. Obama will then take credit, a la Clinton after the Pub Congress fixed things.
You make a fatal error in your analysis here, Jennifer, in assuming that the public is swayed by facts. It would be nice if we lived in such a world, but we don’t.
Just look at the FDR presidency. He dragged us much deeper into debt and ruined the economy, but through an effective use of propaganda, and some smooth talking, he was easily re-elected. Many people still today believe that he pulled us out of the depression.
So don’t assume that the facts will catch up with Obama, either. The only fact that matters is that he is a very smooth talker; people trust him.
“I believe myself that the secretary of {treasury}, {fed chief} and – you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows – (know) this {economy} is lost and the {stimulus} is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme {unemployment and failing consumer confidence} in {nation},” said Reed, D-Nev.
Old Soldier at # 38,
You and I and alot of other Americans see the facts the same way. I slammed the brakes on discretionary spending last August. Spent 60 % less at Christmas in 08. I see no objective signs that the economy will turn any time soon.
The Administration has provided no indication it will do anything but hurt consumers and producers. On that basis my wife and I are saving as much as we can knowing that Cap and Tax will take more income from us and that our healthcare situation is about to get more complicated. My wife and I are both concerned that she will lose her job with a large Fortune 500 company. She is involved in environmental modeling and commercial projects have been shut down and cut back. We both sense that the economic storm has not really hit yet. The worst is yet to come.
You are correct that President Obama’s policies are a collection of coffin nails. Our currency will be worth little if we add on more debt. The President and the liberals in Congress don’t understand economic cause and effect. They don’t see how harmful their policies will be. It’s a pity that people with so little knowledge of how things work are calling the shots. If your smart you will cut consumption and save for the approaching storm. That’s what our family is doing.
To these guys the American people are just useful idiots they need to get their coveted seats at the national feed trough that is, coincidentally, stocked and re-stocked by those same useful idiots.
Either Obama is stupid or he is acting hell-bent like a man trying to bankrupt the USA. And i don’t think he’s stupid. The question can only be: Why?
TO: Warpublican
RE: Yeah???!?!
That’s an interesting—and I suspect VERY whistling-past-the-graveyard—analysis. Especially in light of the fact that Obama himself is now saying the ‘recovery’….heh….is going to take a LONG time.
Based on the CBO’s analysis, something like over 10 years.
So based on your ‘analysis’, he’s going to have to compress years into months.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The idiots are with you....always....]
“775,000 more Americans will join the ranks of the jobless in the next six months.”….from David Wessel in the post.
We had 159,000 NEW claims for unemployment Last Week. Unemployment is headed to 12%+
Ms. Rubin says “A policy well-intended was poorly executed.”
Wrong. The policy was never well-intended. Beware of “good intentions” that get rammed down your throat while you are sleeping!
The policy was garbage from the starting gate. The downward spiral of our economy is winning this race because the stimulus was NEVER meant to stimulate anything other than the continued destruction of the economy.
Cloward-Piven. Read it people!
“Create” jobs simply means create more government jobs, which in reality is NOT job creation as WE the tax payer fund all government jobs. “Save” jobs is meaningless double speak. Only new jobs in the PRIVATE sector actually stimulate the economy. New “make work” jobs in the government sector do the exact opposite – they continue to drain our non-existent resources.
Per the quote above: “Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy.” – Obama
Wrong! The government IS the reason for the current economical state of affairs. The more it meddles, the worse it gets.
It’s time to kick the T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) Parties up a notch. It’s time to take them to the front doors of every media outlet in this country. Rallying and gathering on the steps of our government buildings is NOT being reported by the MSM, or if it is reported, they treat it like a Girl Scout bake sale.
We are sending our letters of concern and complaint to the wrong people. Our representatives no longer represent us. It’s time to hit the MSM – to flood their email servers with as much traffic as we can muster. They are the reason Obama got elected. If they had done an adequate job last year and actually investigated and reported Obama’s links to the radical left, and if they had not stooped to a rabid campaign of hate-journalism against Sarah Palin, we would be experiencing a very different “flavor” of leadership today.
For the President to now admit he ‘didn’t know how bad it was’ raises the question on his competence. Look at all the rush and fuss he made getting his ‘Porkulus’ bill out as quickly as possible and in fact bragging about how fast he had done it . But he now admits he did not know what the situation really was so it is grossly incompetent to a rush a bill through to tackle a problem you were not fully aware of. Gross STUPIDITY in fact not incompetence.
First , just accept the fact that Obama was elected for the color of his skin…it was “historic”..b.s. He is a shill in the whole game.
the man was primed for years, packaged, presented, backed by the press and biiiig money. He was “change”…well, they wanted it, and they’re getting it..no..okay, the people that elected this “historic” man are not feeling things the way the everyday American that pays taxes is…and they never will.
Obama was not raised in America and he and his wife do not appreciate America the way a president SHOULD. I find his arrogance disgusting..
He will stay in office, and he will never admit any mistakes..like Biden.
McCain was also a poor choice, however, I do not feel he has the same distaste for America that Obama has.
What is interesting about Obama’s spending plan is that it is very unlike the New Deal in one key way. New Deal spending was concentrated in swing states – the West mainly. Core Democratic blocks – the South in particular, got much less, because Roosevelt didn’t need to BUY their votes, even though those areas were in general poorer and harder hit by the depression.
Obama seems to have allowed Congress to direct most of the pork spending, which has as a result ended up heavily in core-Democratic pay-off the base spending. I can’t tell if this is simply overconfidence or just a desire to get whatever they can while they can, but it seems remarkably short sighted politically. Of course the last few Dem presidents have had this problem, at least until it got bad enough in ’94 to cost the Dems Congress.
A few here have skirted the real problem but still haven’t hit it.
It isn’t about money. A few $Trillion is nothing; really it isn’t.
The real problem is that NO ONE trusts the government. Not one bit. Republicans, Dems, Independents. China etc. NO ONE.
Producers are stopping production (tax uncertainty).
Risk takers are curtailing risk (no sane bankruptcy laws any more).
(Wards of government don’t count; they produce NOTHING)
Without Risk and Production our economy will NEVER RECOVER. It is going to take a resurrection of Trust before we turn around.
And how is that done?
Sarah.
#57 Moogie
Your diagnosis is correct: a marxist has been propped to the US Presidency by the internationalist lodges (Soros)and he is applying the subversive manual to weaken America.
But you miss one decisive detail : the American people have not the habit of “true” political battles, where the destiny of the Country and the destiny of Freedom are at stake. Such battles have always been fought ABROAD. (At least in the last fifty or seventy years).
The situation is now completely new (for America): subversion is no longer “at the gates”, it is within the gates.
We will have to learn a completely new way of being politically active and mobilizing to defend Freedom.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Don’t worry. 2010 is mid term elections, Looking at my crystal ball I envision billions of dollars from the stimulus package being magically released to the masses right on cue.
The Messiah will then arise and claim to have saved the world.
They will buy another election…..plain and simple.
# 62 Sherab Zangpo
“The situation is now completely new (for America): subversion is no longer “at the gates”, it is within the gates.
We will have to learn a completely new way of being politically active and mobilizing to defend Freedom.”
Very astute observation Sherab , thank you.
Chuckie – Foundthat birth certificate yet?
TO: tommyd
RE: Heh
Why am I suddenly reminded of that old prophecy….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Welcome to the REAL American Empire….
….just as the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire, so it goes…..and so it goes….
#57: CORRECT!
The only way to defeat socialism is to take it to the American people, who, while they may be government-educated, and not all that smart, recognize the idiocy of socialist/Marxist/Obamaist philosophy of government. That means we must alter the message.
We MUST make the MSM into our own “useful idiots” just as they have been the useful idiots of the Left. The MSM does not think for themselves. They are sheep, bleating about whatever happens to cross their ADDled little brains at the time (witness the all-out coverage of m. Jackson).
Are we too sheep? or grown men and women of character?
Why do we let them get away with calling the Pelosi plan a “stimulus plan”
The real deterioration in employment has come not as much from layoffs, but from lack of new business start ups and new hiring.
What has the “stimulus plan” done to encourage and stimulate new business startups and new hiring? Promising to raise taxes?
Promising to increase regulation? Vilifying bankers and business people? Making doing business harder, and less rewarding, and more uncertain?
Promising to spend government money that has to be borrowed? Nationalizing banks and automobile companies? Using government money to pay off supporters particularly trial lawyers and union officials? Increasing the power of union officials?
Explain to me what these things do to encourage business start ups.
This is a de-stimulus plan.
It can only be paid for by hyper inflation which will ruin the country for real.
Doesn’t Obama’s recent excuse about why they got it wrong (they were given incorrect information) sound, well, familiar? Wasn’t the same thing said about the intelligence used as justification for the war in Iraq? If that’s the case, then why isn’t Obama being blamed in the same way that Bush was blamed? After all, who was it who gave Obama the incorrect information? It was his own people, that’s who.
This is Obama’s Iraq. He bought it, he broke it, we pay for it. It cost what the Iraq and Afghan wars cost, the difference is that there will be no blood splattered pictures of american soldiers–there will be pictures of unemployment lines, and foreclosed homes.If the republicans want to take it back on their terms, and not just on the basis of Obama’s failures they will need to be able to see both Bush and Obama as symptomatic of the same disease that Reagan Identified:Government is not the solution, government is the problem!
68. Daniel:
Why do we let them get away with calling the Pelosi plan a “stimulus plan”
Regrettfully, Republicans have always been masters of capitulation when it comes to terminology, framing the debate, and establishing the narrative.
reagan dropped unemployment from 10.8% to 7.2% in less than 17 months.
any libs want to tell me that obama’s plan is going to perform better?
63…you said the stimulus money will be realeased right before the 2010 elections…TOO TRUE…We will once again be bribed with our own money. Seeing into the future must come in handy…
As Americans we need to recognize what will happen…but the vast majortiy will not…sheep, pacified by a few dollars and promises..
Obama’s America. Living in a van down by the river.
#64 Tommyd
Thank you…
But I have no idea from where to start !!!
And I keep saying that any FAST help can only come from those “clubs” where the few honorable and honest Democrats and Republicans meet to discuss in friendly terms: THEY must understand the difference between a worm (Bubba Clinton) and a snake (class-warfare).
If they keep thinking that class-warfare can be tamed with smiles and tolerance, THEY cause the Country to stay asleep and to plunge into a political and societal catastrophe.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
13. Chuck Pelto:
You don’t understand games, do you?
p+e+l+t+o= pompous effacious loony tortuous organism
Got your job surge right c’here:
Georgia Department of Labor (DOL) Press Release: Initial jobless claims rise 94.8 percent; North Georgia hit hard..
June, 2009, reflects 95% rise in new Georgia unemployment claims over the same month in 2008..
Yup, there’s a surge aw’ight. :sigh:
A Haiku
Obama has failed
The worst President ever
Jimmy Carter smiles!
This implies that at some point they have told the truth. When was this?
#77…nononono cindy sue….the “surge” doesn’t get here until a couple of months “before the 2010 election”. it will be a bought and paid for by your own money election.
Biden keeps warning us..it will take time..hahahhaa until 2010?..yep then all the people will be so grateful!!! bull
As long as the press holds Obama and his friends in reverence, things will stay the same.
Communist intellectual tyrant that Obama is, he need only look to another communist intellectual tyrant, Vladimir Lenin, and the establishment of the New Economic Policy of 1921. The NEP rescued the Russian economy from the disastrous effects of the War Communism policy. The interim re-introduction of freedom through the NEP rather than the further imposition of central planning and statism is what brought life to an economy and prosperity to the people of Russia (until the return to collectivization under Stalin).
But Obama is a Harvard man. The old joke proclaims, “You can always tell a Harvard man…..but, you can’t tell him much.”
#70 billslayer:
“This is Obama’s Iraq. He bought it, he broke it, we pay for it. It cost what the Iraq and Afghan wars cost, the difference is that there will be no blood splattered pictures of american soldiers–there will be pictures of unemployment lines, and foreclosed homes”.
You might see blood splattered unemployed Americans fighting each other in the streets.
This is called civil war.
Call on Chris Dodd to resign.
I am part of a small group of libertarians and conservatives who feel very strong that the decisions being made in DC have been hurting this country we are calling for Chris Dodd’s resignation.
If you agree w/ us we ask that you simply include the call for his resignation in your conversation w/ fellow Americans who are troubled w/ the behavior they are seeing.
You can also mention it in your wrintings on the internet. Any help promoting this cause is appreciated.
Chris Dodd must go NOW.
TO: All
RE: Heh
We’re talking a telling and palpable blow to vivo’s ego.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[You can tell you've made a direct hit because of the the 'fireworks' afterwards.]
“… the president, who was supposed to bring competency and efficiency to the White House, may come to resemble another one-term bumbler, Jimmy Carter, who resorted to blaming the American people for the stagflation brought on by his economic policies.”
You greatly overestimate Obama’s intelligence — he will self-destruct. He will simply blame congress for the mess he is in the process of creating. He will claim that congress chose to “do nothing” in response to the failing stimulus. He will never be accountable, but at that point blame will be irrelevant anyways.
Obama never had a plan, and he will continue to not have have one. He believes that the President’s role is as an orator, rather than as an executive. He believes that good leadership stems from words, rather than results. He is a philsopher who can do no wrong because his intentions are better than others.
He has simplified his role to never have to produce results, only to offer explanations and prescriptions. With him as president, better times are always in the future, never in the present. I think he has already wasted his presidency, and set a bad precedent in world history. A highly confident and aspirational liberal politician can seriously impede freedom and change (for the better.)
People that can’t read or don’t read voted for Obama
Congressmen that didn’t read the stimulus or cap and trade bill voted for it.
Obama misread the economy. Or read his speeches instead of financial reports.
Obama reads that the secured bond holders have nothing in writing to show they are secured. (GM)
We have reading issues in this country.
Left Coast Mike:
At this point I doubt it. Obama’s a one termer. I think that people are figuring out that they elected an archetype, sort of a frankensteining of coffee shop liberal wet dreams, not a real leader with a real agenda, or even a real person. He’s a guy that knows the liberal mind, and marketed himself to that mind, then switch to a more “centrist” image after he got the nomination with bland platitudes of “change” and “hope.” His positions is unsustainable because is was unrealistic. Now they are up shit creek without a paddle with only Obama’s charisma to lean on. But don’t be lulled into complacency–charisma CAN take you REALLY far.
Does anyone actually believe 0bama even read the ‘stimuLESS’ bill? That would have cut way too much into his ‘cocktail’ time!
TO: Mike
RE: I Disagree
I think he does have a ‘Plan’, and said plan is being executed at this time. It’s just that the kind-hearted or stupid don’t recognize it….
….yet….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. For more information, re-read my comments above…..
cf. Carolb at No. 69:
“…we had incomplete information.”
Iraq’s WMD debacle revisited.
TO: All
RE: river
Another useful fool heard from. Someone who has absolutely NO CLUE as to military operations, let alone history. Obviously someone who only believes what they read on HuffPo.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out...but fools like river will never believe it.....]
Chuck:
“I think he does have a ‘Plan’, and said plan is being executed at this time. It’s just that the kind-hearted or stupid don’t recognize it…”
Of course, there is a plan in name. The plan is called the stimulus. However, Obama did not create that plan, even though he extols its supposed virtues. That praise fulfills his role as chief campaigner. There is no doubt that Reid and Pelosi created the stimulus, and Obama tagged along.
Obama’s plan (in other words, a plan that he created by “himself”) is far less tangible. That plan does not bear a name. This plan is utopian, and has characteristics of socialism and communism. It is utterly simplistic: Obama understands the ends he wishes to acheive, but the means of this plan lack any coherent detail. The mission statement might be “save the world by showing how eloquent, nice and smart a guy I am”.
Jimmy Carter was a better President than Obama is. At least Carter had been a peanut farmer before entering office. Obama had an “honorable” job as a community oragnizer, but that is not enough preparation to create and execute an economic plan to “save” the country. (We don’t have the transcripts from any university that Obama attended.) What we have today is a president who has designated his task as saving the country, and the world. However, his ego will never permit him to see that he should be saving the country from Obama.
TO: Mike
RE: You’re Missing or….
…refusing to see the ‘Plan’.
It may be called ‘stimulus’, but it is anything BUT that, in the long run. Just ask the CBO.
Getting a ‘clue’? Or are you just one of the kind-hearted or stupid?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[For more information, please re-read THIS message.]
P.S. Might help to read my other comments in this thread…..too….
Thrill up your leg isn’t good enough? Jeez, you don’t want much, do you?
I want my stimulus, now! One of those corkscrew light bulbs would be kinda cool! C’mon, everybody! Bend over! Stimulus time!
***Ooooewooo***
Obama won’t be able to buy the 2010 elections. He’ll try, but he can’t spend enough money to buy the 2010 elections the way things are going now.
Springboarding on what the gorgeously articulate Delia just said, here’s what I say.
When will we all realize that every time the goy king’s lips move, a cock n’ bull story comes out of his mouth like a tsumami of projectile vomiting?
Unfortunately, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, Letterman, The View girls, along with 98% of the print media can’t wait to lap it up like dogs after a platter of freshly cut turkey is dropped by Grandpa on the kitchen floor.
As for the voters who put YoBama in office, whenever I confront them now with fact after fact of incontravertable truth, they usually excuse themselves, run to the bathroom, where if they look hard, they can find the remnents of the vital U.S. economy that PooBama has flushed down the toilet.
Of course, in the process, making his most influential supporters and partners in crime rich beyond imagining.
Folks, friends and vivo, this has all been planned out. It’s got scienter by the truckload. This is now a one administration plan to gut the country, its ideals and free enterprise system like a fish, and leave the entrails for the next Republican clean up committee.
Jennifer, waiting around for an admission of failure by Zerobama is futile as a 13 year old trying to finish a cigar without getting sick. The jig is almost up.
It’s now time for us to ramp up the rhetoric. Dial up the invective. And expose YoBama for the lying like a rug Chicago street bum he always was. Sees the signs in Chicago this weekend? The end is in sight.
Instead of leading the greatest country in the world into propersity in the early 21st century, the history books may very well describe him as the first black president; the first President ever to be led out of the White House in handcuffs.
We will overcome.
TO: myth buster
RE: Who Needs to ‘Buy’ an Election….
….When they can steal it?
I’ve had city council people expressing concerns over the veracity of the ballot in THIS years off-year election for the city.
Lots of information about ACORN-esque showing up at old folks homes and ‘helping’ them fill out their mail-in ballots.
When a Republican won the election for County Commissioner, someone in the County Recorder/Clerk’s office ‘discovered’ two more boxes of ballots that had been ‘overlooked’.
Guess what the final outcome was.
Why is that so frequently the case in so many elections of late?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[What's the best way to 'steal an election'? Be in charge of the ballot counting.]
Hmm. “Stimulus”, resulting in “surge”. I wonder what Dr. Freud would have to say about whomever “came up” with this?
B.O.o does have a plan!!! He just hasn’t been told it yet…it’s still to be loaded on the teleprompter. Pelosi , Reid and the gang are writing it as it goes along. Totally disgusting!
Vivo is alive and well, just stunned…
The Dems will be reelected in 2010, IF the stimulas money is released to he general public’s benefit a few months before the election in 2010; and that will lead to B.O.o being reelected because collectively we’re in a mess and looking for a way out. we tend to go with the status quo. Unles that welfare check doesn’t hit the mailbox on time.
They, Biden and B.O.o keep telling us it will take time. They mean long enough to make us desperate and think they’re soooo great to give us all this money we earned and gave to them in the first place.
I would like to see everyone that voted for the stimulus bill voted out of office. In school they would have rec., an “F “
TO: Rachel Peepers, et al.
RE: Carefully, Now
You’re beginning to repeat Rush Limbaugh during the Clinton years.
How can you tell he’s lying? His lips are moving.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and despite all the blatant evidence, twits like vivo and river and all their ilk....WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.....]
P.S. They remind me of the sort of people that former KGB agent talked about in that video on YouTube….
P.P.S. What’s REALLY sad is the people here who refuse to accept the blatant evidence put before them that the ‘Plan’ is not, repeat NOT, about ‘stimulating’ the economy…..it’s the exact opposite….
Soooo—-minimum wages rise so more people are laid off because the businessmen only have so much money to pay in wages. And this is an improvement. Right?
TO: All
RE: Errata
That P.P.S. SHOULD READ….
What’s REALLY sad is the OTHER people here who refuse to accept the blatant evidence put before them that the ‘Plan’ is not, repeat NOT, about ’stimulating’ the economy…..it’s the exact opposite…
My error….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
97. Rachel Peepers writes:
..a cock n’ bull story comes out of his mouth like a tsumami of projectile vomiting..
Rachel, this is a singularly troubling image so close to dinner time out here on the Left Coast (or any time). Cj, over at The Illustrated Conservative reports on an untimely casualty in this war. It seems that the first-string teleprompter has taken the pipe..or to call in suitable material from Monty Python’s The Parrot Sketch:
The Teleprompter is pinin’ for the fjords. It is passed on! It is no more! It has ceased to be! It’s expired and gone to meet its maker! It’s a stiff! Bereft of life, It’s off the twig!
It’s kicked the bucket, It’s shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!
It is an ex-teleprompter!
So sorry, it’s silly; very silly..
Just one line to remember…Col. obama SAID the plan is working just as it was intended to.
Believe him.
I agree with Chuckles – it’s not about stimulating the economy. There is a plan, but it’s not about stimulating anything. It’s a ruse. The plan is for obama, not for US. The evidence is obvious if you look at it. Get on board people. For a fact, the truth will out.
TO: Meryl
RE: Oh…..Believe Me….
….I DO believe him.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Don't you just LOVE it when a 'Plan' comes together?]
When he was hard selling the “stimulus” bill, Obama assured us that if we didn’t pass the bill immediately, we would be facing an economic catastrophe of gargantuan proportions. He didn’t use qualifiers like “might” or “maybe” or “could.” No, he told us we were looking at total systemic failure. He appeared to be quite certain about it. Wow, what could be worse than that, right? But now he tells us he didn’t know at the time how really big the problem (he inherited) was (not his fault, no, not at all; no doubt the dastardly Bushies withheld vital information from his transition team) and that his stimulus plan has worked as intended by saving all those jobs that would have been otherwise lost. In other words, while it alleviated the mere catastrophe we thought we had, it seems it just wasn’t designed to stave off the catastrophic apocalyptic cataclysm we really had. Well, okay then.
Have you ever heard such double-talking BS in your life??! I hope he tries to sell us on another “stimulus.” He’ll be digging his own grave.
People, please. Obama is what he is, a comnmunity organizer, skilled at extracting benefits and funds from the government. That he is now so incredibly over his head, the mother-of-all “Peter principles”, shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who didn’t drink the kool-aid last year. When someone has no accomplishments or experience, maybe next time you should pay attention, yes?
I wish people would start specualting about what a President Clinton would have done to this point. She’s not my favorite politician, by any means, but as we get the full reward for our Obamania, if Clinton would only put a little distance between herself and the mis-administration, she could be the conquering heroine yet.
TO: Войска ПВО
RE: It’s Dead, Jim!
Why am I suddenly reminded of an old joke about some poor police department.
Police stations toilet stolen. Cops have nothing to go on.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[President's teleprompter broken. Obama is left speechless.]
My calculations say that the interest rate increase from 2003-2005 will cause the economy to shrink 18%.
The recent rate decreases won’t take effect until 2011.
I have not seen any evidence of deflation or lower payroll.
So as of now we are headed for 21% unemployment. Goodbye USA….Hello Germany.
To stop the shrinking economy, somebody would have to pump 2.5 trillion directly into the hands of consumers every year. I don’t see evidence of that either.
You know what’s sickening, regardless of how this current mess turns out? For the rest of (most of) our natural lives, we will have to deal with his idiotic presence at every major national event, as he stands in line with all of the other “former living presidents”.
I would like to offer all of them my apologies for the embarrassment of his company right now.
Small foot note. But it is a nauseating thing to think about.
The Cloward-Piven Strategy
READ THIS! Then you won’t need to ever ask again “Does Obama really know what he’s doing?”
Short answer: Yes, he knows what he’s doing. Yes, the stimulus is stimulating his plans. Yes, the economy is still tanking. Yes, unemployment is still rising. It’s all part of the plan: the Cloward-Piven Strategy.
TO: Moogie, et al.
RE: Heh
Well….
….isn’t THAT ‘interesting’.
I knew there was a ‘Plan’. I just didn’t know that it had been thought of and so well thought out so long ago.
Thanks,
Chuck(le)
[When all the other explanations have been eliminated, that which remains—however improbable or unpleasant—MUST be the truth. -- CBPelto]
114.moogie.i say we use their own devices against them,now that they’re in power.
here is the origins of the scheme(if you’re ever REALLY bored).
http://asteria.fivecolleges.edu/findaids/sophiasmith/mnsss52.html
the administration has resorted to lying.
No – they came in lying.
113. Meryl writes:
“For the rest of (most of) our natural lives, we will have to deal with his idiotic presence at every major national event, as he stands in line..”
Now there you’ve gone and ruined a perfectly delicious bowl of Rice Krispies for me, Meryl. It is a nauseating thought.
Teleprompter Barbie is making it up as he goes.
It will happen a couple of months before the 2010 election. Then the Dems can say, “see what we have done for you”, and there are enough losers out there that will fall all over them, “thank you mister democrat, how would we live without you” In general we appear to be a stupid uninformed people.
TO: carol/n.o.
RE: Indeed
Do you watch a LOT of television?
I’ll bet most of the people who voted for Democrats in the last general election do. I think they get most—if not ALL—their ‘news’, i.e., propaganda, from the television.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Save yourselves. Kill your television.]
Obama thinks he is Robin Hood. He just never learned that Robin Hood was just the contrivance of a collectivist author. Here is the philosophy. The rich are only rich because they take away the fruits of the labor of the poor. Therefore, steal from the rich and give the poor their just rewards. Liberals, like Bary Obama, believe this crap right down to their collective core. Many of these true believers also believe that believers in Jesus are stupid and believe in myths.
chuck pelto”Save yourselves. Kill your television.”
the root of all evil….nearly.
TO: shau-jan
RE: Television
We disconnected from the television 12 years ago. And while we had the Distaff’s mother living with us, I was appalled at how bad it had become. See watched it almost all the time.
I couldn’t stay in the room with it. Especially the ‘news’ and the blatant bias and occasionally outright lies they were dispensing.
It’s all propaganda now. Nothing in the way of honest reporting.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Television is educational. Every time someone turns one on, I go read a good book. -- Groucho Marx]
shau-jan: Good grief! How did you did up that delightfully yawn-inspiring bit of trivia about Piven? Sadly, I’m not bored enough right now to read it. Perhaps one night when I have trouble getting to sleep…
As I have been saying: it’s time to take the Tea Parties to the front doors of every single MSM affiliate and outlet in this country. Time to overload their email servers with our letters and promises to boycott (Chuck(le) – you got the jump start on us with this one). We need to flood their advertisers inboxes and mail room with our promises to boycott their products as long as they continue to advertise for the unethical, unprofessional news organizations.
When Do We Get That Job ‘Surge’?
This is as good as it gets folks. There will be no job surge until We the People get a responsible Constitution loving President and Congress.
Until then it`s every man and woman for themselves….collectively that is…….I think
chuck pelto.”It’s all propaganda now. Nothing in the way of honest reporting.”
38 seconds from 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdOb_183d1o&feature=fvsr
SIX years before the war ended.
126.apparatchik…is that you?
maybe not,you forgot a period.
moogie.here is bezmenov as Tomas Schuman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj0Id3BLFco&feature=PlayList&p=66245842658CE1AF&index=0&playnext=1
former GRU operative:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov
how he was trained to take down the west:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12944544&referer=brief_results
and:
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=isbn%3A0026155109
very unpleasant people,to be sure.
Pelto..obviously you have lost your pills again…
You have posted 17 times today alone,and still NOT said anything that is NOT snotty , or even remotely constructive to someone. You should be in Washington.. Yeah yeah yeah…blahblahblah
The job surge will happen when there is an election, not before. Obama has a plan, he told us so yesterday. The plan is working just as he had planned , he said so, and we know Dems don’t lie….puke.
TO: abi
RE: Wrong Again…..
….Buckie.
You must be another one of those people who get their information from HuffPo or the television. And hence your oversensitivity.
Thanks,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I guess it was the comments about television that got you all fired up…..’snotty’ and all…..
P.P.S. Love that one about “Dems don’t lie”….
….especially with all the blatant evidence that Obama lies every time he flaps his lips at US….
Imagine the “stimulus” is nothing more than crack cocaine or some other drug to be abused injected into a green arm with nasty tentacles & barbs for its own poison; this is the beast government is when it grows to big. The so-called “stimulus” is junk for its addict fed by corrupt legislators in Washington DC. The tentacles can grow further & reach into all our homes if we’re not careful. But President Obama wants to nurture the monster & help it along.
TO: Sebastian Shaw, et al.
RE: The ‘Stimulus’ Drug
I’m reminded of that anti-drug commercial about frying eggs….
This is America. Then with your comment….This is America on ‘Stims’……
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[You don't seen any old drug-addicts.]
P.S. TO: abi….
….ya see….
…I know EXACTLY where the pills are. And I’m STILL not having any…..
Dave K is a useful idiot.
To: Войска ПВО section chief
top secret clearence
From: Rachel Peepers, Double MOS, 91brovo40
second, classified
(All names coded)
Propose: Face to Face meetings with potential operatives who surface frequently on PJM.
Activity: Reduce prime objectives to pneumonic (top five)
Security: eyes only
No paper, no pencils or electronic devices
Peeper’s weapons status is (8). Experience on 16,14, grenages, launchers, anti tank, MG; 30 and 50 cal. AIT; infantry; automatic sniper qualification (expert status)
Counter intelligence school: Quantico.
Request 10 frequent and thoroughly checked out PJM contributors to engage in face to face minimum security meeting.
One possible objective:
organize initial sub radar activity designed to eliminate the effectiveness of trapdoor, golden throat and wayward sun.
Use only landlines to contact. You already possess all requisite numbers. Establish communication at latest by 15 Aug. ’09.
Financial assets just become operational.
Suggest a consideration of Pelto, Moogie, Mark L. and Jerry, Delia in reserve because of questionable availability.
TO: Rachal Peepers
RE: You REALLY….
….aren’t a very ‘green’ person.
Do you realize how many more trees they—the FBI, NSA, DHS, etc.—are going to fell in order to add so many new pages to our already thick dossiers?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. It’s ‘grenades’. Not ‘grenages’…..
P.P.S. Landlines are not, repeat NOT, secure enough….
Recommend hardcopy dropped at locations remote from your local postal ZIP Code with security measures to detect tampering…..
138.chuck pelto.heh.i recommend dead drops employing one-time pads using the “monome-dinome table”method….but that’s just me.
TO: shau-jan
RE: Oh?
You read Tom Clancy too.
Heh….I was wondering if someone would mention OTPs.
I think I can build a database system to help deal with a monome-dinome method. Said database system would have to be (1) distributed to trustworthy people in a face-to-face meeting and (2) used solely on a computer that is never, repeat NEVER, connected to ANY network. Furthermore, to prevent ‘eaves dropping’ by people in unmarked white vans, it would be best to use a metal-case laptop. And maybe inside a Farriday, i.e., Tempest-certified structure.
But once distributed and kept secure, we could send e-mails with a reasonable degree of comfort.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. That should fell another stand of trees…..and provide full-time employment for a bunch of spooks at FBI, NSA and DHS for a while…..
HELLO! Echelon! You getting all of this?
chuck pelto.i used to read clancy but i found nonfiction more entertaining.
this is where i learned about OTP’S(after reading “inside the aquarium”):
http://www.amazon.com/Codes-Ciphers-Secrets-Cryptic-Communication/dp/1579124852
dry,boring…but very informative.
TO: All
RE: Heh….
…awfully ‘quiet’ around here of late.
Can’t ‘imagine’ why……
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[One of the greatest blessings of virtue is the contempt of death. He who has learned how to die has unlearned how to serve. To be ready to die frees us from all bondage and thralldom -- Montaigne]
P.S. I suspect it has something to do with the, forgive the expression….
….christian ethic…..
it took George Bush 8 years to create this mess. I hope the prez can straighten it out like Clinton did.
chuck pelto.143.144.well,what IS going on,don’t keep me in suspense…did we break them all?
84. Chuck Pelto:
p+e+l+t+o= pompous effacious loony tortuous organism
“We’re talking a telling and palpable blow to vivo’s ego.”
Not really, an accurate description of you, but since it’s too long, I will abbreviate it:
p.e.l.t.o.
So people are asking “when do we get the job surge?” I got news for you. We could have had one already if the GOP wasn’t so insistent of $288 billion of the $787 bllion in the American Recovery Act of 2009 going for tax cuts. And if the GOP was so interested in creating jobs, why is it not a single GOP member of Congress voted for the bill? especially when the Deomocrats compromised in a bipartisan manner to incude tax cuts?
And how about a little patience? It took George Bush 8 years to get us into this mess, and this Act has only been in effect for 5 months. Instead it’s all “now now now now now.” Or as in the case of the GOP “no no no no no.”
Correction – I meant to say “not a single GOP member of the House voted for the bill?”
TO: Pat J
RE: Heh
We’re STILL waiting. And the jobless rate keeps going up and up. And inflationary trends are beginning to manifest themselves. And my own Governor Ritter passed a passle of money from this ‘stimulus’ bill to a crony without having to go through competitive bid process for a government project.
Meanwhile, my wife works for a state-government entity and THEY have to get competitive bids for anything over $100 in price.
Personally?
I think you’re a liar. And a useful fool, to boot.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
Job surge? We’re in the middle of it. Don’t you know that Teleprompter Barbie has already saved 127,000 quintillion jobs?
RE #66/ Chuck Pelto: [...] Why am I suddenly reminded of that old prophecy… The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money. — Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, c. 1835 [...]
My! You made my day! This is what the commies did, with the known results. And this adage should be posted in schools and any other public institutions.
And also all politicians should use this phrase as an opener for their speeches… and I don’t do peyote.
RE #76/vivo RE # 13. Chuck Pelto: [...] p+e+l+t+o= pompous effacious loony tortuous organism [...]
Vivo, you’re clearly the most exalted form of intelligence in the Western hemisphere. And you can be so funnnnyy! V+i+v+o = vapid-idiotic-vacuous-ogre…
TO: misanthropicus
RE: Acronym Control Officers (ACOs)
Beat me to it. And used the same “v” and “i” words I was thinking…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Great minds think alike.....]
P.S…..
….I was ‘struggling’ with the apropriate “o” word…..
P.P.S….
…you ‘nailed’ it…..