Was the Filibuster Deal Better for Dems or GOP?
WASHINGTON – Recent changes in the Senate’s filibuster rule, a longstanding procedure that some reformers want to abolish, wound up doing little to disrupt the tactic, investing the legislative minority with the continued opportunity to make political hash of the majority’s whims.
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, after announcing last week that he had reached an agreement with Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, of Kentucky, on a few small modifications, told reporters he wasn’t prepared to dump the rule requiring sponsors of certain legislation to collect 60 votes in the 100-member upper chamber to assure a vote.
“Today, we took steps towards ending gridlock in the Senate and making this body a more efficient place while still respecting the rights of the minority,” Reid said. “Americans of all political stripes can agree that Washington is not working the way it should. We were elected to get things done for the middle class — not waste time with endless stalling tactics that cause even bills with broad bipartisan support to languish for weeks. These reforms will allow us to deal with legislation in a more timely fashion and weaken the ability of those who seek to obstruct for obstruction’s sake.”
Just how the refurbished filibuster rule will accomplish that feat is unclear.
Under the agreement, adopted by the full Senate, the majority leader, Reid in this case, can sidestep a filibuster imposed to obstruct debate. He can accomplish that by either reaching an agreement with the minority leader, in this case McConnell, and seven senators from each side to proceed to a new bill or allowing the minority to offer two amendments to the proposed legislation.
The new rule, however, does nothing to halt a filibuster blocking a final vote on legislation. In other words, Reid has been afforded an opportunity to circumvent a filibuster that prevents debate. But sponsors still might require the consent of 60 members to proceed to a vote.
Limits on debates regarding sub-cabinet and district court nominations are also included in the agreement.
The feebleness of the change could be on full display if or when the full Senate takes up the nomination of former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) to serve as the next secretary of defense. Hagel, despite being a Republican, has attracted support from only two GOP lawmakers in the upper chamber and there is some discussion that someone – perhaps Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn, of Texas, leading the opposition – may institute a filibuster.
The move would be unprecedented. No cabinet nominee has faced a filibuster since the Senate approved the 60-vote threshold almost 40 years ago.
The deal didn’t sit well with reformers, some of whom favored the “nuclear option” – prohibiting the imposition of a filibuster to stop a vote, thus permitting legislation to pass by a simple majority rather than requiring it to attract 60 votes.
Common Cause, a nonpartisan “good government” group that has received some funding from George Soros’ philanthropic organization, is challenging the constitutionality of the filibuster in federal court and turned a thumbs-down on the deal.
“My friend Harry Reid, the senator from Searchlight, NV, has gone missing in the fight for filibuster reform,” said Common Cause President Bob Edgar. “The deal he and Sen. McConnell have struck allows individual senators to continue blocking debate and action by the entire body and to do so without explaining themselves to their colleagues or the American people. This is not the Senate of debate and deliberation our founders envisioned.”
Reform-minded lawmakers also expressed displeasure.
“This country faces major crises in terms of the economy and unemployment, the deficit, global warming, health care, campaign finance reform, education and a crumbling infrastructure – to name a few,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who caucuses with Democrats and voted against the changes. “In my view, none of these problems will be effectively addressed so long as one senator can demand 60 votes to pass legislation. The rule changes adopted today are a step forward in making the operations of the Senate more efficient and expeditious. They are not enough.”
Sanders said a filibuster imposed to permanently obstruct the wishes of the majority is “a perversion of democracy.” And use is on the rise. When former President Lyndon Johnson was Senate Democratic leader in the 1950s – during the administration of Republican President Dwight Eisenhower – he filed cloture to end a filibuster only once. Reid has done so 390 times.
Sanders expressed support for a “talking filibuster” – requiring those who employ the tactic to hold the floor continuously and explain the reasons behind their objections.
“They should not, however, continue to have the right to abuse arcane Senate rules to block a majority of senators from acting on behalf of the American people,” Sanders said.
McConnell viewed the agreement as a victory for the Republican minority, trumpeting the accomplishment in a fundraising letter to his Bluegrass State constituents. The letter claims McConnell stopped the reform effort “dead in its tracks,” arguing that “a group of the Senate’s most liberal senators, fueled by left-wing groups like MoveOn, have been pushing a dangerous scheme to change the rules of the United States Senate and fundamentally alter the checks and balances of our system.”
After the vote, McConnell said the change in the rule “means that the voices of the members of the minority party and their constituents will still be heard in the Senate. Taking away that right, as some had threatened, would have been a terrible mistake.”
And he indicated the alteration might render some filibusters unnecessary.
“Members on both sides of the aisle should be able to represent their constituents both in committees and on the floor through vigorous debate and a robust amendment process,” McConnell said. “It’s my hope that as we turn to the challenges we face as a nation, the Senate can return to the way it used to operate and that all of us will be able to participate more fully in the legislative process.”
Not everyone on McConnell’s side of the aisle was pleased with the results. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) insisted Senate Democrats “succeeded in seriously weakening the greatest deliberative legislative body in the world.”
“The rules change limits the ability of Senators to offer amendments, stifles debate, and greases the skids for Democrats to implement more of their tax-and-spend agenda,” Paul said. “For these reasons, I voted no.”
The filibuster has been around for a long time but its persistent use is of recent vintage. The Senate in 1806 adopted rules that failed to include a provision on ways to end a debate, opening the door to protracted discussions that could, as a result, kill consideration of legislation by talking it to death. The most famous filibuster of the nation’s early years came in 1841 during a debate to charter the second national bank. When Sen. Henry Clay, of Kentucky, a member of the Whig party, called for a vote, Sen. William R. King, a Democrat from North Carolina and future vice president, refused to end the back and forth, telling Clay that he “may make his arrangements at his boarding house for the winter.” Clay eventually backed down.
A rule permitting cloture – a move to end debate and move to a vote – was adopted in 1917 with two-thirds of those voting needed to move the question. The current 60-vote requirement to invoke cloture was introduced in 1975. In the early 1970s the Senate established a two-track system, which permitted lawmakers to consider other legislation while a bill was being filibustered — effectively ending the practice requiring those blocking consideration to remain on the floor in sometimes marathon sessions.
The most famous filibusters came in the late 1950s and early 1960s over civil rights legislation. Sen. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina holds the record for a filibuster, maintaining the floor for 24 hours and 18 minutes during consideration of the Civil Rights Act of 1957, which eventually passed.
Regardless, for most of its history the filibuster was a seldom used tool. From 1917 to 1970 cloture was invoked 58 times. During the 92nd Congress in 1971-72 the number suddenly jumped to 24. But the real increase began with the 110th Congress in 2007-2008 when 139 cloture motions were filed – the all-time high. The 111th Congress in 2009-2010 was almost as busy with 137 cloture motions filed. Usage slowed a bit during the 112th Congress when the filibuster was used 115 times.






Sure — its a great deal.
McConnell gave up the potential to stop the continued destruction of America in exchange for the ability to pass more of the democrat’s agenda.
Its a brilliant a victory as the budget deals where he rolled over and spread for Reid in return for some future budget cuts 10 or so years down the road.
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Well, at least he didn’t break into tears
Bingo!
They can change the internal Senate rules, and they can warp the laws of the US, but the laws of mathematics are impervious to their machinations. You can’t indefinitely keep borrowing and spending more than you can possibly pay back, and that’s that.
Currency devaluation is on its way.
What is your question here? Are you saying the Senate should do away with all filibusters, or just the pro-forma ones, as opposed to the Mr. Smith Goes To Washington old-style where he had to stand on the Senate floor talking, in order to hold up progress?
Please note that there is nothing forcing the Republican minority to filibuster, so this talk of “requiring 60 votes” is garbage to begin with, it’s a current libtard talking point but it’s gibberish.
And isn’t the 60-vote filibuster-buster *down* from the previous 66, or was it 67?
Anyway I’m sure it’s all temporary, by 2014 the Dems will probably have supermajorities in both houses and it won’t matter a bit, like Obama care what Congress thinks about anything anymore anyway.
I sincerely doubt that. 2010 showed us that a lot of Obama supporters won’t turn out if he’s not on the ballot. Half of them are probably too retarded to understand how congress works anyway, midterm elections tend to be lower turnout and lower turnout favors conservatives. They tend to take voting more seriously and do it more consistently. While the Democrat fraud machine may be powerful enough to throw elections on a national level, they lack the same kind of power outside of big blue cities. If they couldn’t throw the house for him in 2012 they won’t be able to do it in 2014 either. Redistricting helped us a lot there. Furthermore, Obama’s going big on gun control, that has the potential to seriously hurt the Democrats, and there’s more senate dem seats than Republican seats up for election in 2014. Face it, the second the Democrats are confident their majority is permanent they’ll just abolish the filibuster all together. The fact they didn’t implies they’re at least a little worried about being in the minority again.
There was a time in which your lower voter turnout theory would be spot on. However, that is NOT the case in these times since the media and special interest gorups have ‘nationalized’ local races. Obama my leave office aftet two terms bur reest asurd he will not leave the democrat electoral process for many years to come. He will be the general in charge of a perpetual year-around ground and media game. Shouldn’t ever forget his single most greatest skill set is organizing!
Hardly. His one and only skill is teleprompter reading. That’s why he always has major malfunctions when he goes off the prompter.
Okay! You keep on believing that!
Yep, The Retard is just a well trained monkey, reading a teleprompter at the end of the Soro’s Monkey Grinder. The only time the twit can speak without a teleprompter is when it is parroting the far left marxist talking points it knows so well.
Truth be told though, the tipping point may have been reached where the sum of marxist/progressives/true believers , racists, and parasites have outnumbered Americans.
Obama got fewer votes in 2012 than in 2008, probably would’ve lost against a decent Republican candidate and for a while it looked like he was in serious trouble to Romney. Remember the Democrat’s 2012 campaign focused almost entirely on demonizing Romney, there was none of the “hope and change” from 2008. The theme of the campaign was not “look at how great the economy and Obamacare is!” it was “Romney hates women and puppies and gives people cancer!”. They’re going to have a much harder time pulling that same trick off against every Republican running for congress, there’s too many of them and most will already have established reputations locally. As long as the Republican party plays it cool and avoids any major showdowns like over the debt ceiling the Dems will have their work cut out for them convincing a large geographically distributed majority of the electorate that the Republicans are responsible for all the country’s problems after the Democrats have been in power for 6 years. It is pretty atypical for a party in the democrat’s position to gain seats, much less take a supermajority, in a midterm election. The Democrats are already overplaying their hand going after guns, Obamacare is still unpopular and likely to become more so as it takes full effect, the seeds they’ve sown in the middle east will reap a bitter harvest sooner or later, I just don’t see the average Obamunist being motivated enough to actually go out and vote for some generic old white guy dem congressman no matter how much Obama implores them to do so. The ability of Obama to influence elections just by showing up and giving a speech is greatly overrated. Remember in 2010 vulnerable Democrats were actively trying to stay away from him and his policies. He has a lot of powerful things going for him, but he is not invincible. The Democrats seem to think he is right not, hence their overreach on guns despite all the signs of far greater pushback than support. Repeat that for 2 years and it’s 2010 all over again.
Sorry, that should be “right now”, not “right not”
Final score in 2008 AND 2012 went to the democrats candidate for president. Game over! Now its time for the radicals of GOP politics to rail on every little trivial thing.
Final score in 2000 AND 2004 went to the GOPs candidate for president.
Game over! Then it was time for the radicals of democrat politics to rail on every little trivial thing.
The minority radical groups of politics from either side spend endless hours and energy raising their bolood pressure levels and living in anger and frustration while the overwhelming majority of citizens go about their lives in peace and will vote next time according to their dictates as they always do. Who will have have the greater turnout next time nobody knows, but whomever it is, they will win whatever elections come before them.
As the world turns!
How does that respond to anything I said? I just gave a bunch of reasons why I felt, contrary to your earlier opinion, that the Democrats would not take congressional majorities in 2014 and your response was just a bunch of nonsense about “extremism” and how most people don’t care. None of the things I talked about were minor “every little thing” type issues. Obamacare, gun control, the middle east, and the economy are the big issues right now and I don’t see the Democrats having an edge on them in 2014, nor the ability to effectively change the subject by demonizing one man like they did in 2012.
I should add that Obama’s greatest skill set is not organizing, it is being a young, black, leftwing democrat who the media are absolutely in love with. That alone can account for a lot of his success. He was just the right man in the right place at the right time. If you’ve got a large majority of the national press so in love with you that they get “tingles down their leg” and write you letters every day for 4 years you could be functionally retarded and still stand a good chance of winning.
And this still doesn’t change the fact that if the Dems were totally confident in having their permanent majority they would’ve taken the opportunity to abolish the filibuster entirely. The only reason I can see that they didn’t is because senators who’ve been around awhile are savvy enough to recognize that it could be them who needs it again one day.
Is it good for the Reps or Dems? Who cares? Is it good for the public in the long term, no matter who is in power? That is the important question.
If “good for the country” were the only criterion, then it should be increasingly difficult to enact legislation as time goes on. If the Constitution got it 55% right, and the Bill of Rights bettered that by another 20%, then each succeeding “good law” should move us closer and closer to perfection — which means each law should leave us less and less to be concerned about. By the time the Republic hit its bicentennial, we should have been easily at 99-44/100% — at least. Accordingly, the legislature should be in session no more than one day per year, seeing that it’s only discussing 56/100 of one percent of the laws needed — and the filibuster should need 99-44/100% (one Senator being not fully sure) of Senators to be overcome.
The Unqualified, Inefficient , Lazy USURPER and his immoral, illogical REGIME.
This REGIME and its USURPER President believe that its absolutely illegal, vile and evil torture to drip water on Terrorists faces and that they are ENTITLED to MIRANDA Rights no matter where in the world or under whatever circumstances they are detained. While at the SAME time declaring it perfectly legal to blast to smithereens with drones other people on the ground INCLUDING American CITIZENS without due process of law or even properly identifying who they might be.
This is the logic of INSANITY.
This REGIME and its USURPER President believes that INANIMATE OBJECTS, Guns, are intrinsically by themselves evil and are doing everything possible to remove them from American society . To this end they have demonized LAW ABIDING citizens who will have to undergo stringent Background Checks and be limited to what weapons they may posses what size magazines they can have and how much ammunition they can store , Criminals of course DO NOT submit themselves to Background Checks and obtain weapons on the ‘Black Market’ with NO RESTRICTIONS whatsoever.
Then they , Left Wing moonbats, the Lame Stream EneMedia, RINO’s and virtually EVERYONE in public life also continue to ignore perhaps in misguided Political Correctness perhaps in fear of the RACE HUSTLERS , perhaps in just sheer STUPIDITY the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. Which of course is degenerate , antisocial BLACK CULTURE , a ‘culture’ where 75% of children are born out of wedlock a ‘culture’ which deifies obscene, violent , blasphemous ‘Gangsta Rappers’ and bling and a ‘culture’ which has spawned a generation of feckless work shy ‘Youths’ between the ages of 15 and 25 (think Trayvon Martin) who, while comprising LESS than 2% of the US population, commit OVER 50% of all the murders and OVER 60% of all the violent crimes in the USA.
Control degenerate BLACK CULTURE and America could cut murder and violent crime by HALF at a stroke.
The fact that no one will even discuss this is INSANITY
Logical consistency is not a leftist strength.
worst amendment is the 17th. The original purpose of the Senate was to protect the rights of the sovereign states not simply implement the wishes of he people. Dingbats such as Sanders have no concept of the philosophy embodied in teh Constitution. We are supposed to be a Republic not a democracy. .
Additionally, the Senate’s purpose was to slow down legislation. Being a smaller group, it was supposed to be more deliberative so that bad legislation didn’t get bulled through Congress.
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