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		<title>By: Mherron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mherron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is amazing to me how some of you idiots believe anything Netanyahu and the neocon warmongers in the USA tell you.  

The US government’s complaints about Iran have reached a new level of shrillness. On September 25 Obama declared:  &quot;Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow.&quot;   The heads of America’s British, French, and German puppet states added their two cents worth, giving the government of Iran three months to meet the &quot;international community’s demands&quot; to give up its rights as a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty to nuclear energy. In case you don’t know, the term &quot;international community&quot; is shorthand for the US, Israel, and Europe, a handful of arrogant and rich countries that oppress the rest of the world.

Who is breaking the rules? Iran or the United States?

Iran is insisting that the US government abide by the non-proliferation treaty that the US originated and pushed and that Iran signed. But the US government, which is currently engaged in three wars of aggression and has occupying troops in a number of other countries, insists that Iran, which is invading and occupying no country, cannot be trusted with nuclear energy capability, because the capability might in the future lead to nuclear weapon capability, like Israel’s, India’s, and Pakistan’s--all non-signatories to the nuclear proliferation treaty, countries that, unlike Iran, have never submitted to IAEA inspections. Indeed, at this very moment the Israeli government is screaming and yelling &quot;anti-Semite&quot; to the suggestion that Israel submit to IAEA inspections. Iran has submitted to the IAEA inspections for years.

In keeping with its obligations under the treaty, on September 21 Iran disclosed to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it is constructing another nuclear facility. The British prime minister Gordon Brown confused Iran’s disclosure with &quot;serial deception,&quot; and declared, &quot;We will not let this matter rest.&quot;

What matter? Why does Gordon Brown think that Iran’s disclosure to the IAEA is a deception. Does the moronic UK prime minister mean that Iran is claiming to be constructing a plant but is not, and thus by claiming one is deceiving the world?

Not to be outdone in idiocy, out of Obama’s mouth jumped Orwellian doublespeak: &quot;The Iranian government must now demonstrate through deeds its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law.&quot;

The incongruity blows the mind. Here is Obama, with troops engaged in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan demanding that a peaceful nation at war with no one demonstrate &quot;its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law.&quot;

It is the US government and its NATO puppet states, and militarist Israel, of course, that need to be held accountable to international law. Under international law the US, its NATO puppets, and Israel are war criminal governments. There is no doubt about it. The record is totally clear. The US, Israel, and the NATO puppet states have committed military aggression exactly as did Germany’s Third Reich, and they have murdered large numbers of civilians. Following the Fuhrer’s script, &quot;the great democratic republics&quot; have justified these acts of lawlessness with lies and deceptions.

Rudy Giuliani, the former US Attorney who framed high profile victims in order to gain name recognition for a political career, keynoted a rally against Iran in New York on September 25. According to Richard Silverstein at AlterNet, the rally was sponsored by an Israeli lobby group and an organization with connections to an Iranian terror organization (probably financed by the US government) that calls for the violent overthrow of the Iranian government.

The efforts to build pressure for acts of war against Iran continue despite the repeated declaration from the IAEA that there is no sign of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, and despite the reaffirmation by US intelligence agencies that Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program years ago.

Meanwhile, the US and Israeli governments, who are so solicitous of international law and holding accountable countries that violate it, have moved to prevent the report of Judge Richard Goldstone from reaching the UN Security Council.

Why?

Judge Goldstone’s report found Israel guilty of war crimes in its massive military assault against civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza.

The continuous efforts of the world’s two militarist-aggressor states--the United States and Israel--to demonize Iran was addressed by Ahmadinejad in his speech to the UN General Assembly (September 23). Ahmadinejad spoke of the assault on human dignity and spiritual values by the selfish material interests of the US and its puppet states. Seeking hegemony &quot;under the mantle of freedom,&quot; the US and its puppets use &quot;the ugliest methods of intimidation and deceit&quot; to disguise that they are &quot;the first who violate&quot; the fundamental principles that they espouse and apply to others.

Why, Ahmadinejad asked the UN General Assembly, do the countries of the world sit there while Israel murders and dispossesses the Palestinian people?

Why, asked Ahmadinejad, do the countries of the world sit there while the US, from thousands of miles away, sends troops to the Middle East, &quot;spreading war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation in the whole region,&quot; while blaming the countries that are suffering the West’s naked aggression?

Ahmadinejad told the General Assembly what most of the UN representatives already know, that &quot;selfishness and insatiable greed have taken the place of such humanitarian concepts as love, sacrifice, dignity, and justice. . . . Lies have taken the place of honesty; hypocrisy has replaced integrity, and selfishness has taken the place of sacrifice. Deception in foreign affairs is called foresight and statesmanship, looting the wealth of other nations is called development efforts; occupation is said to be a gift that promotes freedom and democracy; and defenseless nations are subjected to repression in the name of defending human rights.&quot;

It could not be put any clearer. However, if Ahmadinejad’s speech is reported by the US print and TV media, statements will be taken out of context and used to enrage the conservatives and Christian Zionists in order to unify them behind the Obama/Israeli assault on Iran.

America will not be satisfied until, like Rome, she has more enemies and more wars than she can survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is amazing to me how some of you idiots believe anything Netanyahu and the neocon warmongers in the USA tell you.  </p>
<p>The US government’s complaints about Iran have reached a new level of shrillness. On September 25 Obama declared:  &#8220;Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow.&#8221;   The heads of America’s British, French, and German puppet states added their two cents worth, giving the government of Iran three months to meet the &#8220;international community’s demands&#8221; to give up its rights as a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty to nuclear energy. In case you don’t know, the term &#8220;international community&#8221; is shorthand for the US, Israel, and Europe, a handful of arrogant and rich countries that oppress the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Who is breaking the rules? Iran or the United States?</p>
<p>Iran is insisting that the US government abide by the non-proliferation treaty that the US originated and pushed and that Iran signed. But the US government, which is currently engaged in three wars of aggression and has occupying troops in a number of other countries, insists that Iran, which is invading and occupying no country, cannot be trusted with nuclear energy capability, because the capability might in the future lead to nuclear weapon capability, like Israel’s, India’s, and Pakistan’s&#8211;all non-signatories to the nuclear proliferation treaty, countries that, unlike Iran, have never submitted to IAEA inspections. Indeed, at this very moment the Israeli government is screaming and yelling &#8220;anti-Semite&#8221; to the suggestion that Israel submit to IAEA inspections. Iran has submitted to the IAEA inspections for years.</p>
<p>In keeping with its obligations under the treaty, on September 21 Iran disclosed to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it is constructing another nuclear facility. The British prime minister Gordon Brown confused Iran’s disclosure with &#8220;serial deception,&#8221; and declared, &#8220;We will not let this matter rest.&#8221;</p>
<p>What matter? Why does Gordon Brown think that Iran’s disclosure to the IAEA is a deception. Does the moronic UK prime minister mean that Iran is claiming to be constructing a plant but is not, and thus by claiming one is deceiving the world?</p>
<p>Not to be outdone in idiocy, out of Obama’s mouth jumped Orwellian doublespeak: &#8220;The Iranian government must now demonstrate through deeds its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law.&#8221;</p>
<p>The incongruity blows the mind. Here is Obama, with troops engaged in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan demanding that a peaceful nation at war with no one demonstrate &#8220;its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is the US government and its NATO puppet states, and militarist Israel, of course, that need to be held accountable to international law. Under international law the US, its NATO puppets, and Israel are war criminal governments. There is no doubt about it. The record is totally clear. The US, Israel, and the NATO puppet states have committed military aggression exactly as did Germany’s Third Reich, and they have murdered large numbers of civilians. Following the Fuhrer’s script, &#8220;the great democratic republics&#8221; have justified these acts of lawlessness with lies and deceptions.</p>
<p>Rudy Giuliani, the former US Attorney who framed high profile victims in order to gain name recognition for a political career, keynoted a rally against Iran in New York on September 25. According to Richard Silverstein at AlterNet, the rally was sponsored by an Israeli lobby group and an organization with connections to an Iranian terror organization (probably financed by the US government) that calls for the violent overthrow of the Iranian government.</p>
<p>The efforts to build pressure for acts of war against Iran continue despite the repeated declaration from the IAEA that there is no sign of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, and despite the reaffirmation by US intelligence agencies that Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program years ago.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the US and Israeli governments, who are so solicitous of international law and holding accountable countries that violate it, have moved to prevent the report of Judge Richard Goldstone from reaching the UN Security Council.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Judge Goldstone’s report found Israel guilty of war crimes in its massive military assault against civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza.</p>
<p>The continuous efforts of the world’s two militarist-aggressor states&#8211;the United States and Israel&#8211;to demonize Iran was addressed by Ahmadinejad in his speech to the UN General Assembly (September 23). Ahmadinejad spoke of the assault on human dignity and spiritual values by the selfish material interests of the US and its puppet states. Seeking hegemony &#8220;under the mantle of freedom,&#8221; the US and its puppets use &#8220;the ugliest methods of intimidation and deceit&#8221; to disguise that they are &#8220;the first who violate&#8221; the fundamental principles that they espouse and apply to others.</p>
<p>Why, Ahmadinejad asked the UN General Assembly, do the countries of the world sit there while Israel murders and dispossesses the Palestinian people?</p>
<p>Why, asked Ahmadinejad, do the countries of the world sit there while the US, from thousands of miles away, sends troops to the Middle East, &#8220;spreading war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation in the whole region,&#8221; while blaming the countries that are suffering the West’s naked aggression?</p>
<p>Ahmadinejad told the General Assembly what most of the UN representatives already know, that &#8220;selfishness and insatiable greed have taken the place of such humanitarian concepts as love, sacrifice, dignity, and justice. . . . Lies have taken the place of honesty; hypocrisy has replaced integrity, and selfishness has taken the place of sacrifice. Deception in foreign affairs is called foresight and statesmanship, looting the wealth of other nations is called development efforts; occupation is said to be a gift that promotes freedom and democracy; and defenseless nations are subjected to repression in the name of defending human rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>It could not be put any clearer. However, if Ahmadinejad’s speech is reported by the US print and TV media, statements will be taken out of context and used to enrage the conservatives and Christian Zionists in order to unify them behind the Obama/Israeli assault on Iran.</p>
<p>America will not be satisfied until, like Rome, she has more enemies and more wars than she can survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Manny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanford, your idea that Israel should transfer its military technology to Russia is bizarre. 

Israel&#039;s only chance of survival is through military superiority combined with secrecy. To give its technology to the thugocracy currently called Russia would be suicide. 

Instead, I want to know if Israel has bombs able to crack the bunkers surrounding the Iranian nuke sites. Do they have more than classic explosives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanford, your idea that Israel should transfer its military technology to Russia is bizarre. </p>
<p>Israel&#8217;s only chance of survival is through military superiority combined with secrecy. To give its technology to the thugocracy currently called Russia would be suicide. </p>
<p>Instead, I want to know if Israel has bombs able to crack the bunkers surrounding the Iranian nuke sites. Do they have more than classic explosives?</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To 26. myth buster:

then why they need this, ah?&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

do you realize how much it cost?  

you people amaze me, looks like on average you are around 12 years old and deranged</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 26. myth buster:</p>
<p>then why they need this, ah?&gt;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction</a></p>
<p>do you realize how much it cost?  </p>
<p>you people amaze me, looks like on average you are around 12 years old and deranged</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To 25. David W. Lincoln:

there is no islamic coalition : culturally so called `islamic` world is not capable of any complex aproach

if you here `islamic` you should read KGB- those people masterfully manipulate `islamic` world for the last 100 years. 

When you try to comprehend politics - the best way is to avoid at any cost any ENTERTAINERS and stick to quantitative analysys

You may start with reading on the numbers of nuclear weapons, tanks and oil export and reserves figures along with the numbers of dead victims of communist genocides. A good source for the later is R. J. Rummel

But again: try to avoid entertainers. That&#039;s of course if you are actually seeking the truth but not a thrill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 25. David W. Lincoln:</p>
<p>there is no islamic coalition : culturally so called `islamic` world is not capable of any complex aproach</p>
<p>if you here `islamic` you should read KGB- those people masterfully manipulate `islamic` world for the last 100 years. </p>
<p>When you try to comprehend politics &#8211; the best way is to avoid at any cost any ENTERTAINERS and stick to quantitative analysys</p>
<p>You may start with reading on the numbers of nuclear weapons, tanks and oil export and reserves figures along with the numbers of dead victims of communist genocides. A good source for the later is R. J. Rummel</p>
<p>But again: try to avoid entertainers. That&#8217;s of course if you are actually seeking the truth but not a thrill</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21. No, we&#039;re the red herring, and Israel is center stage.  The KGB couldn&#039;t care less about killing Americans or not killing Americans- all they really want is America to be either unwilling or unable to do anything about their natural resource hegemony, which is why they want to control the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21. No, we&#8217;re the red herring, and Israel is center stage.  The KGB couldn&#8217;t care less about killing Americans or not killing Americans- all they really want is America to be either unwilling or unable to do anything about their natural resource hegemony, which is why they want to control the Middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Kim, I want you to try this scenario on for size.  Iran&#039;s nuclear facilities are taken out, and an Islamic coalition blames the Kremlin, and tries to bomb the Kremlin like the first attempt on the World Trade Centre Towers (a possible scenario is in Tom Clancy&#039;s novel, without Jack Ryan, that paints an picture of the Warsaw Pact moving west as the first phase to claim mid east oil).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Kim, I want you to try this scenario on for size.  Iran&#8217;s nuclear facilities are taken out, and an Islamic coalition blames the Kremlin, and tries to bomb the Kremlin like the first attempt on the World Trade Centre Towers (a possible scenario is in Tom Clancy&#8217;s novel, without Jack Ryan, that paints an picture of the Warsaw Pact moving west as the first phase to claim mid east oil).</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you only  read even such source as wiki on what kremlin has at their disposal you will be surprised how vulnerable USA is.

They had over 40 000 nukes in 1990, and we were never able to make sure if the nuclear charges on those are not replaced:
underground cities where they make those are functioning to this day and some EXPANDED.  

Kremlin conducted last year an unprecedented test launching 17 ICBMS, some of them models are of the newer generation that we in USA never developed since we stopped this 30 years ago

Soviet military research was never insignificant. I knew people who worked in it and i saw some of the samples of some objects like composite materials for submarine shells, etc. State of the art they were.

Soviets poses 4th generation nukes, which is an EMP nuke for example. There are indications that specifically EMP are tested in N Korea, which as Iran as well is a part of USSR.
yes, USSR still exist.

Kremlin has over 5000 fortified silos for icbm&#039;s that can withstand direct nuclear blast

We may be have under 20. May be none.

Kremlin is building enormous amount of submarines, nuclear super submarines including, which is a weapon of the future in terms of them capable to be hidden as a target from enemy recognizance.

Also only kremlin has an effective anti rocket defence that is protecting Moscow: it is a set of nuclear charges on rockets that will be shot at oncoming american rockets and will destroy them in space.

We- dont

Kremlin has 100s of thousands of tonns of bio and chemical weapons, both.

We have zero.

Our strategic posture is weak we are in danger, it is hidden from the public and people may die in 10s or 100s of millions if OBAMA reduces our ICMBs number lower then 2000. 

But even at todays level we 100% will be destroyed if they attack:

they know where our silos are,

there are days when most of our submarines are in docks

our strategic bombers are located in a few known to the enemy places

and so on..

And on top of this weakness we are a nation of degenerates who bought a KGB bull  that there are `Islamist` who can destroy us from caves filled with donkey excrement.

All so called `Islamic` terrorism is a KGB kamikaze front nothing else and it never was anything else ever

Also our society is demoralized almost to the level when we ourselves  elected a MARXIST who was groomed by KGB

as Tom FIFE reported.

And let me tell you something- he is saying the truth
http://americantownmeeting.net/Essays.php

they groom many politicians here, 

dont forget that only officially KGB employs 2.2 million ppl

And there are hundreds of think tank there who handle every single even minor politician in the west and all over, they have teams assigned to every one like what they called a `chocolate boy`

We have a potential to get the world rid of kremlin-organized global crime in weeks, but we never dared to

We have a potential to destroy them politically and put them on red Nuremberg trial but we are a nation of fat freaks high on any possible drugs who most likely will not survive the moscow attack on us in the near future

We as Roman Empire are rotten scum nation, got to admit it

But me personally - i will fight this war till I die, i escaped from ussr and i am not going to let em take my own personal freedom without me killing the enemy in numbers if they dare to attack my USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you only  read even such source as wiki on what kremlin has at their disposal you will be surprised how vulnerable USA is.</p>
<p>They had over 40 000 nukes in 1990, and we were never able to make sure if the nuclear charges on those are not replaced:<br />
underground cities where they make those are functioning to this day and some EXPANDED.  </p>
<p>Kremlin conducted last year an unprecedented test launching 17 ICBMS, some of them models are of the newer generation that we in USA never developed since we stopped this 30 years ago</p>
<p>Soviet military research was never insignificant. I knew people who worked in it and i saw some of the samples of some objects like composite materials for submarine shells, etc. State of the art they were.</p>
<p>Soviets poses 4th generation nukes, which is an EMP nuke for example. There are indications that specifically EMP are tested in N Korea, which as Iran as well is a part of USSR.<br />
yes, USSR still exist.</p>
<p>Kremlin has over 5000 fortified silos for icbm&#8217;s that can withstand direct nuclear blast</p>
<p>We may be have under 20. May be none.</p>
<p>Kremlin is building enormous amount of submarines, nuclear super submarines including, which is a weapon of the future in terms of them capable to be hidden as a target from enemy recognizance.</p>
<p>Also only kremlin has an effective anti rocket defence that is protecting Moscow: it is a set of nuclear charges on rockets that will be shot at oncoming american rockets and will destroy them in space.</p>
<p>We- dont</p>
<p>Kremlin has 100s of thousands of tonns of bio and chemical weapons, both.</p>
<p>We have zero.</p>
<p>Our strategic posture is weak we are in danger, it is hidden from the public and people may die in 10s or 100s of millions if OBAMA reduces our ICMBs number lower then 2000. </p>
<p>But even at todays level we 100% will be destroyed if they attack:</p>
<p>they know where our silos are,</p>
<p>there are days when most of our submarines are in docks</p>
<p>our strategic bombers are located in a few known to the enemy places</p>
<p>and so on..</p>
<p>And on top of this weakness we are a nation of degenerates who bought a KGB bull  that there are `Islamist` who can destroy us from caves filled with donkey excrement.</p>
<p>All so called `Islamic` terrorism is a KGB kamikaze front nothing else and it never was anything else ever</p>
<p>Also our society is demoralized almost to the level when we ourselves  elected a MARXIST who was groomed by KGB</p>
<p>as Tom FIFE reported.</p>
<p>And let me tell you something- he is saying the truth<br />
<a href="http://americantownmeeting.net/Essays.php" rel="nofollow">http://americantownmeeting.net/Essays.php</a></p>
<p>they groom many politicians here, </p>
<p>dont forget that only officially KGB employs 2.2 million ppl</p>
<p>And there are hundreds of think tank there who handle every single even minor politician in the west and all over, they have teams assigned to every one like what they called a `chocolate boy`</p>
<p>We have a potential to get the world rid of kremlin-organized global crime in weeks, but we never dared to</p>
<p>We have a potential to destroy them politically and put them on red Nuremberg trial but we are a nation of fat freaks high on any possible drugs who most likely will not survive the moscow attack on us in the near future</p>
<p>We as Roman Empire are rotten scum nation, got to admit it</p>
<p>But me personally &#8211; i will fight this war till I die, i escaped from ussr and i am not going to let em take my own personal freedom without me killing the enemy in numbers if they dare to attack my USA</p>
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		<title>By: John  "birther" Samford</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  "birther" Samford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think the longest term affect to come out of this latest little tempest in a tea-pot would be Israel and Russian forming a strategic alliance.  
As Blackwater pointed out, the Third world weapons manufacturing ability has not progressed beyond your basic small arms level.  All their heavy weapons are either Soviet or Western designed and built.
Israel in the only exception.  I could argue that the difference between 3rd world and 2nd world status is the ability to manufacture heavy weapons. Regardless, If Putin wants to put the squeeze on the Arabs, they can.  Course, the Arabs could just buy western weapons, which the ones that can afford it already do.  Egypt assembles and uses the US M1A1 Abrams MBT, KSA flies F-15&#039;s, Jordan has US SAM&#039;s ( although they don&#039;t have the Patriot, AFAIK)
Syria would be helpless without Russian arms sales.  Ditto for Iran and the Horn.  So Putin and Russia are actually in a better position to force a peace treaty down the throats of the Arabs by making them recognize Israel and ontrolling the weapons so they wouldn&#039;t have a lot of choice in the matter.  That would be a BIG coup for Putin.  Russsia would be able to do what the USA has spent decades failing at.  The Chinese would try to take up the slack but there is a basic problem with China operating in the ME.
China is the most racist place on earth.  Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Chines really truly think they are the master race and China is the center of the Universe.  They have thought that for about 3 thousand years and it&#039;s to late for them to change.  
The Arabs see them as godless infadals, not even children of the book.  So there is a basic conflict there that no amount of Enemy of my Enemy will overcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think the longest term affect to come out of this latest little tempest in a tea-pot would be Israel and Russian forming a strategic alliance.<br />
As Blackwater pointed out, the Third world weapons manufacturing ability has not progressed beyond your basic small arms level.  All their heavy weapons are either Soviet or Western designed and built.<br />
Israel in the only exception.  I could argue that the difference between 3rd world and 2nd world status is the ability to manufacture heavy weapons. Regardless, If Putin wants to put the squeeze on the Arabs, they can.  Course, the Arabs could just buy western weapons, which the ones that can afford it already do.  Egypt assembles and uses the US M1A1 Abrams MBT, KSA flies F-15&#8242;s, Jordan has US SAM&#8217;s ( although they don&#8217;t have the Patriot, AFAIK)<br />
Syria would be helpless without Russian arms sales.  Ditto for Iran and the Horn.  So Putin and Russia are actually in a better position to force a peace treaty down the throats of the Arabs by making them recognize Israel and ontrolling the weapons so they wouldn&#8217;t have a lot of choice in the matter.  That would be a BIG coup for Putin.  Russsia would be able to do what the USA has spent decades failing at.  The Chinese would try to take up the slack but there is a basic problem with China operating in the ME.<br />
China is the most racist place on earth.  Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Chines really truly think they are the master race and China is the center of the Universe.  They have thought that for about 3 thousand years and it&#8217;s to late for them to change.<br />
The Arabs see them as godless infadals, not even children of the book.  So there is a basic conflict there that no amount of Enemy of my Enemy will overcome.</p>
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		<title>By: John  "birther" Samford</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/wary-of-an-israeli-attack-putin-arms-iran/#comment-399181</link>
		<dc:creator>John  "birther" Samford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kabud, I sort of agree.  Real Politik has to adjust to changing conditions.  That is what makes it real.
The focus on the ME over the last several decades was created by a shortahe of LIQUID OIL in the rest of the world.  Here in the first part of the 21st century, technology has eliminated that shortage.  The OIL foelds off the coast of Brazil are estimated to be largerthn those in the ME.  4 decades ago, the OIL industry didn&#039;t have the technology to locate, much less recover OIL that far down.  Now we do as well as being able to make liquid OIL from OIL shale as well as Tar Sand.  The Germans in WW2 were able to produce OIL from coal.  Eventually we will be able to do that.  Once OIL can be produced from other sources as cheaply as it can be pumped out of the ground in liquid form, the ME becomes a lot of sand full of hardheaded a$$holes.  Islam will return to a 7th century culture wallowing in it&#039;s own filth. 
The real struggle is between capitalism and socialism.  Between government of choice and government by command.
Government by consensus is always better, unless, of course, you are the tyrant making all those commands.
So the greatest danger to the USA is the current administration.  
I&#039;m not that worried, since this administration won&#039;t be around long enough to completely destroy America.  Freedom, once rooted is a very tough plant indeed.  The Socialists in other countries can&#039;t build the strength to conquer America before the Usurper is gone.
It takes decades to develop steakth technologies.  Stealth cannot be stolen by spies since it is not one thing.  Building a Stealth aircraft would require thousands of little bits of tech to be stolen.
For example, the Chinese have stolen the design for the noxxel on the F-22.  Goo for them, but it does them no good.  They have to steal the designs for the jigs needed to build it, the software and cumputers to run those jigs and the formula for the materials needed to build them.  Not to mention the technology to build the equipment to manufacture the material itself.
The Jets and the nozzel are the easy parts.  The Ram and the wave guides are the hard parts.  China has no computers fast enough to calculate the wave paths anyway, so building wave guides wouldn&#039;t do them any goo.  Even if they could build the nozzles for the jet, they weren&#039;t able to steal the air bypass design that makes the jets invisible in the IR range.
Steal is more then just a low RCS.  You have to control the signature thru the ENTIRE EM spectrum.  Sonic frequencies as well.
While the F-33 production has been halted, it will be started again as sooon as this administration is history.
Right now a dozen or so per year are being manufactured.  If neeeded that number cound be increased 10 fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kabud, I sort of agree.  Real Politik has to adjust to changing conditions.  That is what makes it real.<br />
The focus on the ME over the last several decades was created by a shortahe of LIQUID OIL in the rest of the world.  Here in the first part of the 21st century, technology has eliminated that shortage.  The OIL foelds off the coast of Brazil are estimated to be largerthn those in the ME.  4 decades ago, the OIL industry didn&#8217;t have the technology to locate, much less recover OIL that far down.  Now we do as well as being able to make liquid OIL from OIL shale as well as Tar Sand.  The Germans in WW2 were able to produce OIL from coal.  Eventually we will be able to do that.  Once OIL can be produced from other sources as cheaply as it can be pumped out of the ground in liquid form, the ME becomes a lot of sand full of hardheaded a$$holes.  Islam will return to a 7th century culture wallowing in it&#8217;s own filth.<br />
The real struggle is between capitalism and socialism.  Between government of choice and government by command.<br />
Government by consensus is always better, unless, of course, you are the tyrant making all those commands.<br />
So the greatest danger to the USA is the current administration.<br />
I&#8217;m not that worried, since this administration won&#8217;t be around long enough to completely destroy America.  Freedom, once rooted is a very tough plant indeed.  The Socialists in other countries can&#8217;t build the strength to conquer America before the Usurper is gone.<br />
It takes decades to develop steakth technologies.  Stealth cannot be stolen by spies since it is not one thing.  Building a Stealth aircraft would require thousands of little bits of tech to be stolen.<br />
For example, the Chinese have stolen the design for the noxxel on the F-22.  Goo for them, but it does them no good.  They have to steal the designs for the jigs needed to build it, the software and cumputers to run those jigs and the formula for the materials needed to build them.  Not to mention the technology to build the equipment to manufacture the material itself.<br />
The Jets and the nozzel are the easy parts.  The Ram and the wave guides are the hard parts.  China has no computers fast enough to calculate the wave paths anyway, so building wave guides wouldn&#8217;t do them any goo.  Even if they could build the nozzles for the jet, they weren&#8217;t able to steal the air bypass design that makes the jets invisible in the IR range.<br />
Steal is more then just a low RCS.  You have to control the signature thru the ENTIRE EM spectrum.  Sonic frequencies as well.<br />
While the F-33 production has been halted, it will be started again as sooon as this administration is history.<br />
Right now a dozen or so per year are being manufactured.  If neeeded that number cound be increased 10 fold.</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/wary-of-an-israeli-attack-putin-arms-iran/#comment-398873</link>
		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we have very serious doubts that Arctic Sea was carrying THAT to middle east

yeasterday we talked to a guy in Israel, a security specialist, who doesn&#039;t think it was the fact either

Most likely it was meant for USA.

Either through french speaking Algeria then to french speaking part of Canada and finally- God forbid a nuclear blast in USA cities


When i heard on Friday from this bastard Kiselev  who runs kgb created Echo of Moscow EXACTLY the Iranian versus Israel story- i was 100% convinced that it is another cover up for preparation to attack homelend here with a nuke or biological weapon

I&#039;d rather consider that weapons were transferred to the submarine in the middle of Atlantic and ... any time now.

Kremlin has only ONE enemy. It is you and me, every American they want to exterminate.  This is very important to understand.

The middle eastern game is just a red hearing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we have very serious doubts that Arctic Sea was carrying THAT to middle east</p>
<p>yeasterday we talked to a guy in Israel, a security specialist, who doesn&#8217;t think it was the fact either</p>
<p>Most likely it was meant for USA.</p>
<p>Either through french speaking Algeria then to french speaking part of Canada and finally- God forbid a nuclear blast in USA cities</p>
<p>When i heard on Friday from this bastard Kiselev  who runs kgb created Echo of Moscow EXACTLY the Iranian versus Israel story- i was 100% convinced that it is another cover up for preparation to attack homelend here with a nuke or biological weapon</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather consider that weapons were transferred to the submarine in the middle of Atlantic and &#8230; any time now.</p>
<p>Kremlin has only ONE enemy. It is you and me, every American they want to exterminate.  This is very important to understand.</p>
<p>The middle eastern game is just a red hearing</p>
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