W. Is an Insult to 62 Million Voters
Half Hee-Haw and half Dr. Strangelove, Oliver Stone’s would-be comedy W., opening tomorrow, is not quite what I expected. It’s worse.
Stone, who has been wearing out his vocal cords informing interviewers of his vast empathy for his onetime Yale classmate (the two never met on campus), plays the invasion of Iraq against “Yellow Rose of Texas,” devotes nearly half the movie to scene after scene showing Bush stumbling around with a beer bottle or a tumbler of Jack Daniels, and imagines that, behind the scenes, the tightly controlled Yankee-hardened Bush clan of stoics carries on like a bunch of overwrought Project Runway contestants.
Among the film’s most literally incredible moments are those that show President George H.W. Bush (Bush 41), played by James Cromwell without the slightest effort to resemble the man, being decisive, authoritative, forceful, and even manly, qualities he managed to keep under wraps during three decades in the public eye. Playing the title role, Josh Brolin misreads the president’s stiff, just got-off-a-horse body language as a reason to stay in motion at all times, notably during his initial encounter with Laura (Elizabeth Banks, who gives the only restrained performance) at a barbecue. Here and elsewhere W.’s body flits around as if he’s undergoing shock therapy; here and elsewhere, W. speaks, disgustingly, with his mouth open as if he just blew in from the trailer park instead of Skull and Bones.
One speech Bush delivers while seated on the toilet (where, at a mention of the presidency of another filial success, John Quincy Adams, he says, “That was, like, 300 years ago, wuddn’t it?”). On his inauguration day, he stumbles to greet his father with his pants around his ankles. This isn’t cutting-edge political satire or even wounding invective; it’s just vaudeville.
Stone jumps around in time, combining remarks made years apart for alleged comic effect (during a campaign for governor of Texas, many famous malapropisms come out, but consecutively, as though nothing Bush says ever makes sense) as Bush evolves from frat-boy to frat-boy businessman to frat-boy governor to frat-boy president. The president’s arms fly up as though signaling a field goal during the centerpiece moment, in which the president and his cabinet discuss the Iraq invasion. (Jeffrey Wright, speaking in some sort of Redd Foxx rumble, is Colin Powell; a twittering Thandie Newton is Condi Rice; Scott Glenn is Rumsfeld and a well-made-up Richard Dreyfuss, hunched over as though tying his shoelaces, is Cheney, though Dreyfuss’ high-pitched nasal whine is more or less the opposite of Cheney’s low rasp.) That scene, featuring unlikely moments of sorority-girl sarcasm such as Colin Powell telling Cheney, “Don’t patronize me, Mr. Five Deferments,” is pitched at a JFK level of paranoia, with Cheney insisting that the U.S. must control the entire Middle East, forever. While standing literally in the shadows he barks, “Control Iran, control Eurasia, control the world. Empire. Real empire. No one will f — k with us again.”
these people are simply pond scum. there’s nothing else to say.
Don’t care about this movie. Would not waste a second of my time or a cent of my hard earned money on this trash.
Stone Jumped the Shark some time ago… I think it was casting Colin Farrell as A T Great or that awful Natural Born Killers crud.
I vote with my wallet too. George Clooney, Oliver Stone, Madonna, etc. No $$$ for you!
“there is not a single moment that shows any reason why anyone would support such an imbecile; in its determined omissions, it’s a bigger insult to the 62 million who voted for Bush than to the man himself.”
I’m pretty sure Bush himself has insulted many of those 62 million who voted for him (myself included) with or without this movie.
Well, let’s be honest: those 62 million voters did a pretty damn, stupid thing, and this country and the world at large are paying for their clueless behavior at the ballot box. Nobody, but nobody smart, well-informed or ethical voted for Bush, especially in the last election.
Perhaps a suitable penance for those 62 million, whose actions made the world a worse place, would be to have all of them forced to watch the movie, along with Fahrenheit 9/11 for a double feature, before being allowed near a ballot box again.
I’ll see this movie about a week or two after hell freezes over.
In a couple of years, I will see the DVD of this film on the Clearance rack at the local Dollar General.
I agree with the sentiment expressed above that Bush has caused those of us who voted for him a good deal of distress. He had the golden opportunity to begin a meaningful, conservative movement. Instead he squandered the opportunity and has pretty much scuttled the current election cycle. When a no experience, media event like Obama can present a serious threat to the presidency you know that Bush has done incredible damage to the office and the party. The movie is a joke, as are all of Stone’s films. Unfortunately, Bush isn’t.
I’m sad to admit that my vote for George Bush, while well-meaning, made the world a worse place on several levels and certainly damaged our country. He has been an incompetent president.
I don’t feel insulted by Stone’s movie, just sad. I made the best choice I could given the other candidates. I have no idea what type of president Al Gore or John Kerry would have become. But I know that history will be justifiably be harsh on Bush.
BC: no it wasn’t clueless. its just i couldn’t vote for an empty suit. twice. and the world pays for al queda to stir it up and get beat down. i wanted someone who was gonna get medieval on them, so far he has. some say he is down for the hood.USA I DIDN’T HIRE HIM CUZ HE WAS CUTE. i wanted somebody to kick some butt.
Francois still hasn’t released his military record yet, even though the Swiftboaters assassinated his character!
Bambi hasn’t released his Illinois record, his birth certificate or college records. At least Hussein is making better use of ACORN and fraud than Francois did. 200,000 in Ohio alone. He also has the support of Hugo Chavez, Ajmadman, Hamas and Hezbollah, and today Koffi Annan. And Madonna et al.
Zhombre, I’ll be there with you, maybe this winter as the Artic ice has increased 30% in the last couple of months, no doubt a side effect of Nobel internet whiz fat Al’s “global Warming,” I’m sorry that has been changed to climate change by the politically correct intellectual class.
It’s pretty amazing that “American Carole” (?sp) could not find ONE American distributor to get the film out, and had to go to a French comapny.
“Path to 9/11″ is underwraps because Bill and Hilary don’t like it – so Disney caved and won’t release it.
But THIS film sailed through and got on the big screen.
Nah, no liberal bias and censorship … nothing to see here … move along.
S
BC, Will, Gene at al: the issue is not whether or not Bush and his administration have made mistakes – that discussion has been had a million times on other threads. the issue is that another bunch of spoiled hollywood tools has made yet another movie whose dishonesty and malice insults the public at large.
History is always harsh on conservatives because the books are mostly written by liberals, and with rare exceptions movies are too. To see the media in the tank for the Marxist messiah means that soon if things go even more wrong we individuals will be treated harshly also. Ol Oliver would never do a story about vote fraud unless a conservative was involved.
BC
mmmmmm koooolaid
Kyle Smith,
Didn’t you know W was based on A TRUE STORY?
All the latest films from Hollywood are all based on a true story. That’s how ‘regular’ folks learn history.
/sarc
I plan to leave politics at the door and watch a master cinematographer at work. I expect as much of a story about a man as about a politician.
If this is too moderate a stance for you, my apologies.
So BC, 62 million of your fellow countrymen and women who dont agree with your world view shouldn’t be allowed cast a vote eh?
Sounds like you’d prefer the US to be a dictatorship with you at the helm. Well done, you’ve shown us all where you are your pointless ilk on the left are really coming from.
To: 4. BC
Imbecile. Anywhere near Michigan? Perhaps we can duel it out in the woods.
even with 100% of the media and academia behind it, the hate america first crowd still loses as all these anti-war/anti-bush/anti-american “films” fail
There is one thing obvious from watching Oliver Stone’s movies: the man needs to put down the bong. I came to that conclusion awhile ago, I don’t need to pay to see any more of his drug-fueled fantasies.
president john fitzgerald kerry has been running the country from top secret bases in cambodia and pakistan the past 4 years. instead of using his many paid senatorial vacations getting botox and facelifts like the others (biden what is with that klingon eye job) jfktwo has been working behind the scenes to protect us all
much thanks
Ollie Stone is more of a punch line than a master cinematographer.
Thank you for the all encompassing review. I will save my valuable entertainment time. And why would I spend money on political satire, when I get my fill for free just by reading the camnpaign coverage from the MSMedia?
Poor Terrence, grab a tissue and vote for Obama — we know you wanna.
As for the rest of us, we know that Hollywood idiots love to vilify conservatives — the sad thing is how foolish these types really are when they keep sinking their money into films that don’t sell. It tells us all we need to know about how low they’ll go to satisfy their ideological bent.
L. Steven Beene II –
If it helps you, this movie was 100% financed by foreign interests.
Bush really, really sucks.
Except for that part about changing the trajectory of a country of 25 million (Afghanistan is always going to be a problem for economic reasons so I won’t count the Afghans, but it’s on the table) in one of the most unlikely places for that to happen in the world.
When someone says ‘the world’ hates us they mean the part of the world that can afford to dismiss us as cowboys. Meanwhile, in Albania, Kosovo, Poland and the Ukraine they like Americans just fine. That’s because these folks know who wheres the red cape in this world. These folks, and the folks in Darfur now, didn’t pray for blue helmets, or Canadians or Brits or French: they pray(ed) for Americans to rescue them. Team America. F Yeah.
We vote with our dollars also. Getting hard to find movies to watch or papers to read or news shows to watch, but we will not support these nuts. I fear for this country. The far left loons have control of the education system, the media, entertainment industry, the House, the Senate and perhaps the Presidency. We are being destroyed from within.
W should of carpet bombed Kabul, Baghdad, Mosul and every other city in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Instead he goes all soft and humanitarian on us claiming he gave a crap about innocent life and minimizing collateral damage.
Stone making a movie about George Bush is about as unbiased as Limbaugh making a movie about Bill Clinton.
Here’s what breaks my heart. Hollywood can roll out this movie lambasting a sitting president 3 weeks from an election, and it’s no big deal. Like it’s all a big f#ucking joke.
Then Warner Brothers delays a movie that has an interview with John McCain about his stay at the Hanoi Hilton until after the election because “The studio is concerned that any pre-election showing might embroil the project in electoral politics.” Not even a preview! God forbid we portray anything positive about a Republican before an election. Good grief.
Meanwhile, a world series baseball game will be DELAYED because of Mr. Obama’s half hour TV show needs the space.
So… what’s the end game in all this? Total liberal assimilation? I certainly don’t get it.
I hope that 1% of the 62 million, or 620,000 voters, decide to vote against the left-wing Obama, on account of this film.
It could make the difference. I strongly hope that a movie like ‘W’ provokes a backlash against the Hollywood idiots and their candidate, Borat Hussein Osama.
As my first post said, save your money. My local library had copies of the 1951 version of “Red Badge of Courage” and “To Hell and Back”. Watched those with my kids over the weekend and spent a good long time explaining who Audie Murphy was and why his contribution to US history is important.
Plenty of good entertainment out there with out having to resort to this trash.
You know you are somebody if Hollywood makes fun of you. It means you’ve actually stood for the right things instead of pandering to their greed, corruption and other immoral behaviours. I wouldn’t waste a dime to help build the coffers of Hollywood Elite anymore after this presidential election season.
President Bush has my respect and admiration for going about the business of this country to build it up while others have tried to tear him and our country down.
May Obama lose. If the FBI doesn’t catch him first. Isn’t it a shame that he and his rich Hollywood friends don’t give more of their money to those in poverty that they champion in this country? Instead, they use it to slander and cheat and grow richer while expecting middle class America to carry the burden of the poor via taxes. Bunch of dumbarse hypocrites.
Why to the scumbags who call President Bush “W,” get irate when I call Hussein, well, “Hussein?”
During the last eight years I have completely avoided Hollywood’s myriad films that are suffused with Bush Derangement Syndrome, or jeremiads against our fight against Islamic jihad, or accusations of our military being baby killers, rapists, and torturers, and all of the other themes that would have had Joe Stalin smiling at the success of their dizinformatzia campaign.
Once again, they’ve rolled another one out and they will only make money off of those who share BDS.
All these films lose money. This one will also, if it succeeds at all, will not make much profit. Americans like me simply vote with our feet and our wallets. So, to Hollywood we give them the big “f**k you.”
Rated it 1/2 a star too high.
TexEd: “Why to the scumbags who call President Bush “W,” get irate when I call Hussein, well, “Hussein?””
Although I’m far from one of the irate scumbags you so kindly refer to, I believe Bush has a bumper sticker saying “W: The President”; or at least we see them all throughout the state of Texas. Whereas, you do not see Obama bumper stickers saying something along the line of: “Saddam and I have something in common: Vote Hussein in 08″
Oh come on – it’s a satire. Quit acting so offended. If you want to be offended at something, direct your attention to Bill Maher’s “Religulous” – it’s way more incendiary and offensive, not just to Christians, but to all religions.
Besides – if any one here bothers to actually SEE the film, they’ll see a surprisingly sympathetic portrait of a very likable, relatable guy. I’m just saying, lets watch the movie before passing judgment. And furthermore, Kyle Smith is AGAIN acting as a MOVIE CRITIC. Don’t you people hate film critics? Or, do you only hate them when you don’t agree with them?
Hey BC for his faults I’d stick with Bush over those UN cronies who took money from Saddam Hussien while Iraqis were being ground down by his regime. Those Iraqis are free now, something we should’ve done a long time ago, but countries like China sold Saddam the weapons, eastern europeans helped build his bomb-proof bunkers, western european politicians ran political interference for him for oil credits, and just think how much money Saddam would have from oil smuggling if he had been left in power.
Somebody should make a movie about mr. ISG James Baker, but no, he’s a “moderate”. Where Bush is failing is where he’s accommodating cruel regimes for the sake of business, like China. I’m waiting for B.O. to tell me how diffferent he would be on that policy. Or if he would even follow through with it.
I stopped anything to do with Ollie the Lame when I started to watch his JFK debacle and turned it off when I realized who Kevin Costner was as an actor…a hack!
I trust that your complete waste of about $20 (unless you were invited to a free screenie) and a couple of hours of your life is worth the write up you have provided. Now, I won’t have to waste my money and can save it for something better, like spread’n d welf.
BC,
I’m not smart, well-informed or ethical — but I did vote for Bush twice. And guess what? My vote counts equally as yours. Unless, like most good liberals, you vote early AND often. Go ahead, be ELITIST. Me — I’ll cling to guns & religion.
If Obama is elected, I’m returning my cable box asap. Cancelling all magazines and newspapers. Still will have talk radio, at least, until THE ONE, passes the fairness doctrine, then I will give up the Bose. No movies, no tv, get back to basic. Read books and watch old movies on laptop til they pull the plug. I will not support these people in any way, shape or form. WE NEED TO TURN THEM OFF!
There was a satisfying moment before the screening of “An American Carol” in Arlington, VA when the trailer for this piece of “work” was shown, and the entire audience booed.
Probably the high point for it, in fact.
I still haven’t seen Fahrenheit 911. Why would I bother seeing this piece of crap?
When Stone did his hatchet job on Nixon he originally filmed about 20 minutes of Nixon with BB Rebozo scheming to steal the public’s wisdom teeth. Then his lawyers found out BB Rebozo was still alive and made him cut the footage for fear of being sued.
That’s the kind of film Oliver Stone makes. He smears, distorts, and flat-out lies for political gain. He has NO shame at all. Every time he does one of these he first announces it will be a nuanced, balanced look and the victim de jour and it always turns out to be a clumsy hatchet job. The man is a pig.
I never watch any movie that Stone is involved with. As a matter of fact I refuse to pay to see 99% of the Holy-wood junk films. In the past three years or so I haven’t bothered to look and see what is playing locally. Just like cancelling the Lame Stream Media papers and locking out ABC,CBS, and CNN I have missed nothing but a bunch of lies. I watch 30 minutes of local news on NBC and switch to FOX cable or watch a kiddie cartoon, or 30 year old western, which makes more sense than the LSM. Most of my news comes from the net.
It’s an Oliver Stone movie, you were expecting something better? The man’s one step up from Michael Moore, which still puts him well below sea level on credibility.
Hmmm…this movie will do well with the BDS people. Other than that, it will tank.
However, what does make me sad is the few comments from people who claim they voted for Bush and no regret it. You people have listened way too much to the media and the left.
For all the ills of the world that you may want to lay on Bush’s feet (yes I understand that for too many Liberals history of the world started on January of 2000) there has been no major attack on American soil since 9/11. This alone is worth having voted for Bush twice.
Also, I do know what type of Presidents Kerry and Gore would have made, terrible ones, pathetic ones. The world would be making fun of us today. Instead, today we have a world where Canada, France, Germany, Italy and even in England, pro-America, Conservative, work with Bush governments have been elected or about to be elected. For the world “hating us” they are certainly turning more Conservative and more pro-American.
put down the left wing Kool Aid and start thinking on your own.
This movie is a joke just like 100% of the crap that comes out of Hollywood today. This movie will do poorly just like every other hate America movie that comes out of the elites Hollywood land.
by the way, i find it amusing that these Hollywood types and singers would tell Americans what to do, yet they refuse to give their millions to the poor in America. Why won’t these left wing Hollywood hypocrites live upper middle class lives and give their millions to the poor in America? why? hypocrites!
For a filthy rich Liberal like Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Obama, Michael Moor etc Capitalism is good as long as it benefits them, but the second that capitalism benefits the average America, capitalism is bad.
The Liberal hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous for America’s future.
By the way, for the ‘W’ haters. He kept you safe for 7 years, freed millions of people and now the left wing haters want the type of government the U.S. has been fighting against for over 200 years. I say let them have it and when ‘the one’ takes what they have and gives it to an Arab I’ll LMAO. In addition the U.S. had the largest economic growth in history for 6 years. Stock Market over 15,000, unemployment at 4.5% (once thought impossible) and gas never over $2.20 per gallon. Then the democrats promised in 2006 that if you elected them they would change the direction of the country. You put them in charge of congress in Jan 2007 and look at the change. From a booming economy to a total world disaster. Just how much more of the democrat nuts ‘change’ can you stand? W is trying to streighten out the mess made totally by the democrat criminals in congress and they are still doing their best to destroy the country. Please go help them and commit suicide in the process.
Willful ignorance. Me? I like to actually SEE a movie before I trash it.
Take it easy. Dubya deserves to be made fun of, even if is by the offish Fidel-lovin’ Oliver Stone (hereby known as “S”) Hey at least Danny DeVito didn’t make an appearance this time.
BC-
You just prove what an ill-informed moron you are by maligning 62 million of your fellow Americans simply because they disagree with you. Typical leftist. I voted for George Bush and I can assure you I am neither stupid or uninformed. While I certainly have my criticisms of George Bush it doesn’t delve into the BDS type of hysteria so often suffered by the left.
Obama supporter? Ummm…why exactly? What makes Barack Obama qualified to be president? What are his accomplishments? [crickets chirping]
More Americans dead in Iraq than on 911….More inncocent Iraqis killed by Americans than Saddam ever killed……..cost of the war 1 Trillion…..and no end in sight.
W. = Bush Derangement Syndrome Porn.
Not sure who besides the Daily Kos kooks are going to see this one.
The cliches about GWB are as tired and old as the Oliver Stone himself.
Yawn.
Well, I have to tell you. I’m one of those millions who voted for him and I truly wish I could take it back. The man, truthfully, has been a disaster, especially for conservatives and the Republican Party.
And do you think that Stone’s original intention was not in fact to insult us?
Lets look at facts:
1. “W” inherited a recession and turned it around.
2. During majority of term, due to his policies, we had record low unemployment, record GDP, and record revenues to the government. The problem was spending by both parties and a just war. Hopefully McCain will duplicate economic policies (Executive Branch)of the last eight years.
3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11.
4. Went to war with approval of 77 Senators and 80+% of public opinion.
5. Although there have been mistakes, results in Iraq are now very positive.
The MSM hasn’t got a clue on what’s going on (Skewed polls). Prediction: McCain 51% and Obama 46%
“GW” could quite possibly have history record him as a great President.
This movie is destined to bomb at the box office and bopefully it will take Obama’s shot as POTUS right down the tubes along with it …
Originally Oliver Stone wanted to do do a movie on Jimmy Carter but found too much material.
The sick liberal media tries to call McCain/Palin crowds racist and dangerous nuts (which is all lies, I was there!), but ignores all the sick disgusting things these scum sucking liberals do. This movie is complete fiction, however, the ignorant sheep liberal Democrats believe everything they see or hear from their leaders. This movie was intended to insult President Bush and people who voted for him as well as to influence the election. No doubt about it! I’m sick of Hollywood liberals and I won’t pay to their movies.
A bad movie is a bad movie whether it’s “W” or “An American Carol.”
Don’t waste your time or money on either of them. Go see “Appaloosa” instead.
Or, better yet, just stay home and watch the classics on TCM.
PS: Scott, I was there too, and met a disturbing number of racists and dangerous nuts.
How many days since a terror attack on our soil?
W was dealt a difficult hand and played it to win the big one. He fought AQ and the media and managed. Much of the disarray can be laid on the back of the media and the Democrats, who held him hostage on the war funding.
Rock and a hard place, and we all survived. Now we have the Democrats financial mess. Go figure.
“.More inncocent Iraqis killed by Americans than Saddam ever killed” I’ve heard that ridiculous fabrications so many times….prove it.
I do believe President Bush should have paid a little more attention to the home front than he did. Veto a few spending bills, and there had to be somebody talking about this banking crisis before it got this bad. A few changes and Obama wouldn’t be a problem.
I won’t be watching this movie at a theater or on DVD, same as any Michael Moore movie. I have never seen a Michael Moore movie and I never will. I rarely go to theaters anymore although I do rent plenty of DVDs and I have a large collection of movies in SD and HD. I did go to see American Carol and I enjoyed that movie quite a bit. I will show up at a theater to see Star Trek movies but they don’t make those anymore. A new Star Trek movie is in the works to be released whenever but it looks like that one will probably suck, since it’s a prequel.
I think people can go watch whatever they want, and filmmakers can release whatever films they like. It is an art form and I won’t agree with all of it, or most of it in the case of movies. I’ll simply vote with my wallet, contributing to films I like and ignoring films I won’t like. I could care less about critics and the MSM, I like what I like and they won’t sway my opinions in the least.
Instead of going to see “W”, I will stay home and watch a Clint Eastwood or John Wayne movie, or another movie I will actually enjoy.
whatever happened to teh brilliant “That’s My Bush” ?
now THAT was vaudeville slapstick.
after that show, Stone was always going to look restrained.
I do agree that it a pointless exercise. You don’t need to satirize Dubya, all you have to do is repeat what he has actually said. Scriptwriters could never be as funny as the man himself.
Everytime I see the ad for this movie, I think that I would enjoy hanging with President Bush. He seems like way more fun than Barack Obama or John Kerry. At least according to the preview…..
Of course, I’d be the one doing the drinking……
Firefighter 16:
By the way, for the ‘W’ haters. He kept you safe for 7 years, freed millions of people and now the left wing haters want the type of government the U.S. has been fighting against for over 200 years. I say let them have it and when ‘the one’ takes what they have and gives it to an Arab I’ll LMAO. In addition the U.S. had the largest economic growth in history for 6 years. Stock Market over 15,000, unemployment at 4.5% (once thought impossible) and gas never over $2.20 per gallon.
What planet full of marching morons are you from?
America’s economic growth at 2% was primarily government growth & debt-fueled. Whereas Chinas at 11% annual was honest – plus they lent us the money to move half our manufacturing over to them.
Our national debt doubled under Bush. Our bill for unfunded entitlements grew from 24 trillion to 52 trillion from new Bush-endorsed entitlements and runaway costs.
As a Reagan Democrat, I do plan to “thank” Republicans, the Party of Wall Street, for once puffing the stock market and housing prices double what they are now. Yesiree! Same for the oil prices “so cheap the Iraq War paid for itself”.
As for “keeping America safe” – there are those 28,000 casualties including 4100 dead and 2200 severely maimed from “the cakewalk war” we probably never should have fought for “Our Special Friend”.
Plus, it is predicted that the exploding number of suicides nationally from those wiped out in the economic meltdown will exceed – be triple – the number of 9/11 deaths each year until we make some recovery.
I voted for Bush twice. Once happily then once reluctantly only because I thought Kerry had dishonored his uniform and fellow Vets. I don’t regret those votes. I do regret Bush II is a failed President like Jimmy Carter. I do regret the Republican Party had their shot – control of Congress 12 1/2 of the last 14 years, control of the White House for 8 and by only focusing on rewarding the Rich and obessing about a limited threat from a few thousand Islamic “Evildoers” – have put our country and the economic future of the middle class right in the toilet.
They had their shot and badly, badly screwed the pootch.
Remember it is not just Obama is getting elected, and may be the 1st Dem people like me ever vote for. It’s not just Bush. It is that Congressional Republicans are anticipating anger against their Party over matters well beyond Bush – will result in the greatest bloodletting the Republicans have seen since the election 3 months after Nixon resigned.
Its all the Republican corruption, the DeLay K-street bandits, Open Borders, Enron and all its present Wall Street “Children”, the Neocons and their endless lists of wars they want America to start and be bogged down in. Republican sex perverts. Screwing the working guy to focus on the wealthy and “trickledown”. The imposition by a pack of ill-educated Religious Fundies of religious litmus tests on candidates like Rudy and Romney and Tom Ridge, and their gifts like the Terri Schiavo affair and creating the flight of average women to the Democrats.
The complete abandonment of the Republican Party I joined of small government, fiscal responsibility, low taxes, and a strong military we only use in last resort. The only thing they have kept to is low taxes, but only on a deranged supply-side theory that the more government spends the more the economy grows and the more tax cuts the more the economy grows,
Thus tax cuts and explosive government growth pay for themselves. A complete derangement of Republican principles.
No, Republicans have had their shot. They have wrecked American influence abroad and wrecked the American dream of the middle class at home. It’s time for a change.
I just pray that as the Republicans head out to the Wilderness, they return to core principles of the pre-Fundie, pre-Voodoo Economics, pre-Neocon Republican Party. They take some of their best – like Jindal and Mitt Romney and yes, Arnold and listen to them. And work hard on doing what it takes to again become trusted. A post-Reagan Party that can again be trusted with power, open again for minorities worth less than 700K, and non-evangelicals and even pro-choicers or Hispanic Catholics running for office to be treated as welcome, equal members.
Oliver Stone’s versions of history are the only versions that many of our (not so) esteemed citizens have ever been exposed to.
We can now add a version of “W” to a version of the JFK assasination, slavery, Vietnam etc.
He’s a compelling filmmaker, but, are they true ? Likely most of the audience hasn’t a clue.
I used to be a real movie buff. Now, I don’t even bother to see trailers for new movies as most of them are pure junk.
What othr industry is willing to piss off half its customer base?
I uploaded to my political blog a long list of pro-American. anti-communist and anti-fascist films, mysteries, thrillers, spy films and heroic, erotic, hilarious and even musical films. But no sentimental films. Not my thing.
Just click on my name in bold and it will take you to my blog. Enjoy.
I voted for Bush and it was a mistake. Bush is a moron and full of it so you can whine abotu Stone all you want, but you talk show geeks who whine about BDS are just in denial.
I’ll pass on this one. I need to save my movie money (and a bit more) for the inevitable tax increases.
Cedarford ,can all your delirious rantings. You know the only reason you’ll vote for Obama is because Jesse Jackson says he’ll screw the Jews.
“Cedarford ,can all your delirious rantings. You know the only reason you’ll vote for Obama is because Jesse Jackson says he’ll screw the Jews.”
Yes, it’s kind of interesting how Cedarford suddenly claims to be a disenchanted ex-Bush fan. He has been foaming at the mouth about Jews and the GOP for years, literally – just go to the old “Belmont Club” site & check the archives. No way he would have voted twice for someone “controlled” by what he considers a hostile foreign power.
Clearly the people who enjoy these films are fools are will also quotes them as historical fact. I still hear morons quote Michael Moores film claiming Bush let the BinLadens leave on 9/11 despite the 911 Testimony of Richard Clarke who said he made the decision alone. And Stones JFK well what a crock. He claimed Oswald was no Marksmen when Oswald had the medals to prove it.
“I plan to leave politics at the door and watch a master cinematographer at work.”
I can’t think of a masterwork by Stone since Wall Street (even if the Michael Douglas character was a caricature).
“No, Republicans have had their shot. They have wrecked American influence abroad and wrecked the American dream of the middle class at home. It’s time for a change.”
When it comes to “the American dream of the middle class”, what makes you think a vote for the Democrats would give you positive change? Bush didn’t deviate from the post-New Deal entitlement mentality; on the contrary, he added a Part D to Medicare and threw money at education. What makes you think a Democrat doing more of the same would represent positive change?
As frustrated as I am with some of the mistakes and inarticulateness of Republicans, I’m not willing to cut off my nose to spite my face. A President Obama backed by Dem-controlled House and a filibuster-proof Dem majority in the Senate could make some permanent changes to this country. For all the talk of the Reagan Revolution, after all, FDR’s New Deal edifice survived it. Fully socialized medicine is a real possibility if Democrats run the table in November, and the consequences of that would be harmful for medical innovation and could hamstring industries in which we currently lead the world.
BC:
You obviously buy into the John Edwards “Two America’s” belief:
America I: Wealthy highly-educated smart connected elitists
America II: Everyone else
From this, you can extrapolate with virtual certainty what America I thinks about America II:
America II are a bunch of poor uneducated morons who just don’t matter. This goes to show you what government run education has done for US.
America II doesn’t deserve the right to vote simply because they are morons and by default shouldn’t be given such a powerful right. But is is okay for groups like ACORN to participate in massive voter fraud.
America II need to keep their mouths shut because morons by definition don’t know anything. Freedom of speech is okay only if you agree with America I.
America II need to understand that being overtaxed is good for the nation.
Perhaps a suitable penance for America I would be to put in an honest day’s worth of work like Joe-The-Plumber does every day of the week.
who needs a movie
Majority thinks Bush is dumb
but perhaps GOP likes his nationlizing banks?
If this movie had portrayed the reality of the Bush gang, it would have been rated XXX and banned for its immoral content.
Bush looks like an idiot, but he’s not. He’s a puppet of the Cheney, industrial/military complex, right-wing trolls and religious zealots. He’s the nice face of the monster.
They have destroyed the middle class and embarrassed the country around the world.
Who cares what Oliver Stone shows? Reality is way worst.
It always makes me feel much better when I read Bush bashing in full bloom. Since I am an authority on everything, I know all of the moves we should have made in regards to 9/11 and all subsequent actions we as a country took. After all, those 19 innocent young men sacrificed their lives in protest to the world domination theme of the Bush administration. I know that there are enough intelligent posters out there who could have made much better decisions under the circumstances and they don’t hesitate in letting us know.
Bush has made mistakes. No doubt about it. Bush has squandered many opportunities, not doubt about it. Bush inherited the threats of al-quida and they followed through on his watch. Bush inherited the fallacies of Carter’s social engineering initiatives and the ultimate collapse occured on his watch. Bush failed to use his veto enough and government programs grew at an unprecedented rate. All of these things occurred on his watch and history will assign them to him. But does he deserve all the blame? No, but he will get it since it was all done on his watch. Fair or not, that is history and the way I try to look at things.
SOVIETWOOD
- a factory of trash.
- a factory of lies.
- a factory of a COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA
- a factory of TREASON!
HOLLYTRASH
Cretinisation of HOLLYWOOD – from Cecil.B. Mille to Olivier Stone…
Kyle…you didn’t actually think Stone made this movie for the 62 million who voted for Bush, did you?
He could care less about them “fly-over” folks…
Sheryl had it exactly right!!!
This is Bush Derangement Syndrome Porn…a visual feast for liberal eyes to bring them some political
satiation at the close of Bush’s term.
It indulges their biases and hatred, and feeds their unbridled contempt with a pleasurable disgusting excess at the expense of a President they so despise, it all becomes farcical and absurd in the end.
That is what Stone is counting on in the end…
“Come on, guys…don’t take it serious…just go see it and ignore us liberals mentally-masturbating to
the whole charade…it’s campy, it’s fun, it’s…
what’s that? It’s time to vote AGAIN???”
“Just a sec… I’m almost finished…”
“OHHHHHHHBAAMMMAAAAAAAHHHHH…”
For those who keep doubting about the rationale behind the military intervention against Saddam’s regime I would suggest to get acquainted a bit closer with the works of Micheil Jon Pacepa. He was the chief of espionage and counter-espionage agency in Romania’s regime of the late Nicolae Caucescu and a highest ranking defector from the former Communist block to the West so his opinion counts greatly. You can find quite a few interwiev with him on the highly esteemed site http://www.frontpagemagazine.com and learn about so called SARINDARIN (EXIT in Arabic) plan concocted by the Soviets to get rid or rather conceal Saddam’s WMD in the case of the West’s invasion on Iraq. There you will find some answers why the WMDs haven’t been found. That plan has also envisaged that when the sanctions regime would have evetually ended the Soviets would immediately begin helping Saddam in his drive to restore his WMD program. Saddam has always been the Soviets closest ME ally, and it has always been their aim to use him as a tool of driving the Yanks out from the ME. Now that role is being taken over by Iranian mullahs, what should be rather obvious for any thinking individual. The prolonged war in Iraq doesn’t mean that that action was a mistake. Quite the opposite, it means that it was just only the first, albait insufficient step in the right direction. And it should be apparent to everyone that the worst is still to come. In the end, it is not Bush that has made America weaker, those are the ignorant and impatient masses and his evil leftist enemies that are making Bush’s work much more difficult… By attempting to ridicule Bush’s, Stone is exposing himself not only as a moron that has discended to a level af an absolute cretinism, but above all as a TRAITOR!!! Unfortunately, the country that is lenient to traitors, disregards the sacrifices of patriots, and such a country is doomed to demise. By the way, haven’t they used to execute traitors once in self-respecting coutires?
There will be a day of reckoning for Oliver Stone, if not in this timeline, then in another.
Even this movie wont satisfy the “Bush Haters”
This is a Entertainment World now. Between Sport, TV and Movie industry we have every knothead endorsing a candidate without the slightest study of that candidate. It is like a vote for “Dancing With The Stars”, no serious thought at all AND we shall suffer!
I am curious how many of your ardent posters have even seen W? If you have not seen the movie (and a good number of you folk mention Hell freezing over first and such things) you really have no idea what you are talking about. How dumb you sound. I notice the ignorant still support George W Bush (and have lots to say). No surprise there.
I saw W at a special engagement this Wednesday. It was an OK story, as stories go, but it’s base in what I know to be reality was lacking. I believe George W Bush has been guided and led and manipulated a lot more than was shown in this movie; by Cheney, Rumsfeld et al. Not that this gets him off the hook – as President, the way the Executive Branch operates, the things it does are his responsibility in the end. He just likes to pass lots of bucks and let other people clean up his endless messes. This has always been his way.
His father and mother get a number of scenes where they do not act at all like the George Prescott Bush and his lovely wife Babara (they were poor anyway, this is an improvement for them!) I have grown to know and dislike since the days of Reagan. Though W is shown to be a bumbling drunk for the 1st half of the film, Oliver Stone then shows a forceful, determined and powerful President Bush (not the hyper active coward I know him to be). George W Bush is a sociopath, and I kept wondering why he and the people HE pals around with were portrayed in such (for the mot part) positive ways.
This movie is an interesting lens to look at the last 8 years through, and it allows you to sharpen your own focus on how you think things have really gone down.
And really – if you have not seen the movie, why are you talking about it? You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Silly Geese.
Wow, an Oliver Stone movie that sucks? What a shocking development. *snark*
“and inspired millions in (to cite a few examples) his speech atop the rubble at the World Trade Center”
This got me thinking. For all the talk of Obama being such an inspirational speaker, I’ve yet to hear anything from him that comes anywhere near Bush’s speech at Ground Zero.
Oliver Stone has always been a moron.
This won’t be a big money-maker in theaters. But I predict it will become a perennial holiday classic on TV, much like “The Wizard of Oz,” “It’s a Wonderful Life” and “A Charlie Brown Christmas.”
Generations of Americans will get to share the heartwarming story of the miserable drunken failure who reduced America to a sick, enfeebled parody of itself. Who could watch the embarrassing, catastrophic arc of this man’s pointless, wasted, self-serving life without feeling a little bit better about their own?
62 Million Voters screwed the world.
I can’t wait to see it. For one, I feel a great sense of satisfaction that he’s on his way out and this is the perfect send-off – a film that captures the essence of the man who got to play king for a time, reveled in it and now will fade back into obsolescence, to watch someone else take the throne that was rightly his. His disgraceful exit, marked by insignificance and unpopularity is vindication, in a way, for those of us who never accepted the validity of his presidency in the first place.
How come no movie about the Clintons? There you have a frigid wife, President who has a history of affairs turning to a young staffer, questionable deaths, etc, etc, etc… At least the Sex will get you interested!
Yeah, and how many of those 62 million would still vote for him it they had to do it all over again.
Instead of call the movie W, Oliver Stone should have named it W.P.E.
Worst President Ever
Bush & Co. smashed the Taliban, destroyed the Baathists in Iraq, and killed or captured a ton of terrorists.
And, nothing the terrorist-loving, scum leftoids say or do is ever going to change that.
Have fun with your idiotic moviemaking, Ollie.
“Worst President Ever”
Franklin Roosevelt, by far.
What’s that have to do with this thread?
92. LRichard:
It looks like you missed the very explicit impeachment proceedings and writings. One good example of government money wasting by deranged and jealous GOP’ers.
As someone who has worked for the Republican party and has voted straight Republican for over three decades, including voting for George W. Bush both terms. However in the last year and a half, I have felt betrayed by Bush and am heartbroken in the direction the Republican party has taken. I have watched as the same people who protested the war-profiteering of the Military-Industrial Complex of the 1960′s during Viet Nam, have become the Military-Industrial Complex of the 21st century–and more greedy and corrupt than their predecessors. They don’t even care if people know it! They don’t care if their lies are exposed. They don’t care that their self-serving actions in governing our country has hurt everyone in their wake–has brought about the worst depression since the 1930′s, the worst health care problems and the biggest deficit in recent history. And they would like to blame “the other guys” and make you think they had nothing to do with it–but it isn’t. If the truth would be known to the nation, the people would rise up and demand their heads!
I haven’t seen the movie, yet. I expect it will make a good party movie for college students soon. (You know; everyone drink when W says something stupid in the movie.lol) But, good grief people! Haven’t you learned ANYTHING these last 8 yrs.?
Keep insulting the right.
Keep insulting the left.
Nothing constructive in it; except to make us ALL look like morons and further hurt OURSELVES!
I know! Let’s try showing each other just a modicum of respect and maybe, just MAYBE we can meet in the middle and fix this mess.
If you like the way things are going; just carry on. Insulting each other is SO helpful….
There are a lot of those people living without good common sense. If you can separate insanity from real truth, you first must have a lot of good common sense. Not only that, but also if your own life is a screwup like the unqualified, incompetent George W Bush-my common senses suggests the consequences probably would most likely conclude/result with needless death, destruction and excessive damage to our once-up-on-a-time wealthy and superior nation which has been now lead down, all the way to Hell and back with the complete final approval of the worst President we have ever seen. Almost anybody else could have done a better job I will guarantee you, believe it or not, even most any Democrat, although 62 million Americans are stuck up on their favorite “big loser”. Time to wise up for anyone that can honestly see the world beyond their own mirror and appreciate all mankind, not only themselves and selfish point of views.
BC, I’ll watch your stupid movies AFTER you watch “An American Carol.”
And I’m as unrepentant about voting for Bush in 2004 as William Ayers is for his terrorist acts. John Fraud Kerry was not an option.
Well the first time W went away from the script. It was quite evident that education was bought Daddy and the money keep on flowing. What a embisile. We got what the surpreme wanted and this is what we have to deal with now. The cycle of events keeps on going. So thank all of you who voted for The Repubs and really thank the supreme court the best bought justice system in the world..Strap up the boots don’t cry now if you didn’t vote zip it up …..
Go Oliver tell what they already know and can’t admit they all screwed up not once but twice that is the real sore spot but there are those that have come through alright Haliburton
“That scene… is pitched at a JFK level of paranoia, with Cheney insisting that the U.S. must control the entire Middle East, forever. While standing literally in the shadows he barks, ‘Control Iran, control Eurasia, control the world. Empire. Real empire. No one will f — k with us again.’”
I invite you, my dear reviewer, to visit the webpages of the Project For The New American Century, the heart of the neo-conservative movement, where they spell out in no uncertain terms that this is exactly their goal and it’s what they think is best for America.
Given that the quote you took umbrage with is an accurate encapsulation of this administration’s goals, understand that you’re saying the current administration operates at a JFK level of paranoia.
Hey BC, why don’t you go over to Iraq and ask them if we ruied their world? Granted, the President and his administration did make some mistakes, but look at everything he’s had to face!If it wouldn’t had been for Clinton, and his 8 years in office, doing all the dispicable things he did, we wouldn’t had been attacked on 9-11.He should have been paying attention to the world, not his discusting sex life. President Bush has kept us safe for the last 7 years. It’s too bad your democrat friends in congress got us in this financial mess…thanks. Let’s get another democrat in the White House…NOT!! Especially one that has NO experience, what so ever!! I am proud to be a Bush suppoter and I’m also proud to be a McCain/Palin supporter!!
“How come no movie about the Clintons?”
Primary Colors.
Or does that not count because Clinton’s base didn’t cry about it?
w proves that 62 million voters are idiots
@Sandy: “Hey BC, why don’t you go over to Iraq and ask them if we ruied their world?”
Whenever a reporter actually does that, often the answer is “Yes.”
“If it wouldn’t had been for Clinton, and his 8 years in office, doing all the dispicable things he did, we wouldn’t had been attacked on 9-11.”
Despicable things like the Anti-Terrorist Act of 1996, which granted the government most of the rights they claimed again under the Patriot Act to make it look like Bush’s idea? Despicable things like listening to a Republican Congress when they told him not to go after Bin Laden in retaliation for the Cole?
“President Bush has kept us safe for the last 7 years.”
Too bad he couldn’t do it for eight years. The memo discussing airplane attacks entitled “Bin Laden Determined To Attack The US” was written on Bush’s watch. I guess allowing us to be attacked on 9/11 is only despicable when Clinton does it.
Let’s see how many “IDIOTS” show up November 4th!!
What is an insult is GWB’s Presidency and the effect of 8 years of lies, fast and loose treatment of Constitutional Rights and bankrupting the Nation for an unwarrented war in Iraq. The man is the biggest embarrassment in the Republican Party history…well before Sarah Palin’s being foisted on us. He looks less foolish with the lipsticked one in the limelight.
What the Author should be embarrassed about is what three men have done to America. GWB, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have harmed our Nation far more than I ever imagined our Country’s leaders ever could! Ever WOULD… These men who refused to serve in the Wars of their youth sending 1,000s of American Men & Women to die for lies, innuendo and personal adgendas is the worst thing anyone has ever done to us from the inside.
GWB hid from Viet Nam in the Guard, refusing to serve overseas, and now he’s using the Guard in unprecedented ways. Killings many 1,000s of them in his attempt to control the ME. Now THAT should an embarrassment!!
This movie is just some long needed comic relief, filled in with facts. Maybe just not fair and honest reporting of the mans both good and bad qualities. Its a MOVIE for cryin’ out loud. And anyone with two brain cells would have to agree, Mr. Geedeb did a horrible job in his tenure. America needs a place to go laugh about it, or they may just cry. That’s all, everyone have a great day. Let’s all just lighten up and look at wonderful things cookin’ from this moment onward. We must or we are well and truly f-d.
Obama the Marxist Messiah
Proof is in the Public Record.
“The public record is our only proof,” says former Naval Intelligence Officer Marion Valentine.
“In 1963, while serving in Navy Intelligence (1958-1967), I read the FBI file on Frank Marshall Davis. He had outlined the Communist plan to take over America from within, by installing educators at all levels of our educational system, gaining control of the media, getting Liberal judges appointed, recruiting, training and backing people to be elected to public office.
“I have researched every piece of legislation I can find that the Liberal Democrats have passed since the early sixties, and if you will research for yourself, you will find that they have been slowly moving this country toward Socialism.
“When Obama announced he was running for President as an unknown with only one major speech at the DNC (that the DNC and MSM made so much fuss over), he aroused my old intel suspicions. So I started researching.
“I have not found any evidence to convince me he is a Muslim, bur I did find his radical associations were unusual. I found Frank Marshall Davis, who had fled from Chicago to Hawaii when Obama was 12 years old, was Obama’s mentor from then till Davis died in 1987.
“Davis put Obama in touch with the Socialist Party in Chicago (called the New Party) which Ayers is also a member of, (emphasis added) therefore the first “Planned” contact with Ayers. The New Party helped launch and finance Obama’s political career. Obama…selected, trained, groomed and scripted to become the “puppet” leader of the United Socialist States of America.
What a embisile.
hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Lefties are teh smart.
To those who think we are safer now. ask the people who had to go to Iraq How safe it was for them, the only thing Bush did was give the terrorist easier targets to hit so that they would need to try to strike U.S. soil. The money we have spent for your so called safety could have been better spent in country with the same effects with less casualties. As a service member myself I just ask that you quit writing off my brothers and sisters who are still being terrorized for your safety.
“W. Is an Insult to 62 Million Voters”
Maybe, i don’t know; I’m generally not into movies like this to begin with and probably will never see it anyway, so I’m no judge.
That said, W. – the man, that is – has been an insult to America and the world for most of the past eight years. And based on the man’s approval ratings the past couple of years, I suspect more than a few of those 62 million voters now feel the same way.
Way I see it, this movie isn’t doing anything to ruin the man’s image any worse than he’s already ruined it himself. So lighten up, Kyle Smith, lighten up.
Awe, does this movie offend you 28 percenters to the core?
This is a movie, I thought Liberals were suppposed to be the whining PC crowd. Bush has provided plenty of material for a tragic comedy and even though this movie has a bit of literary license applied to it; the only reason why you guys are so up in arms is because this movie–at its core– is a reminder of the faults of an incompetent president.
Post number 110 by Sonya proves there are “black helicopter” types on the right as well.
BDS part two: Barak Derangement Sydrome? Oh, the irony…
@sonya: “…plan to take over America from within, by installing educators at all levels of our educational system, gaining control of the media, getting… judges appointed, recruiting, training and backing people to be elected to public office.”
And that’s exactly what’s happened over the last 40-odd years. The Neo-Conservative movement has indeed taken over America in leaps and bounds since the 60s. But of course, the best way to distract attention from your long-term takeover is to tell your base that their opponents are planning a long-term takeover.
“…if you will research for yourself, you will find that [Liberal Democrats] have been slowly moving this country toward Socialism.”
Yes, vote instead for the party that created an economic slump and then increased governmental control of the economy once it was “needed.” Clearly that’s the party that works hard to move the country away from socialism.
Hmmm… creating a problem to justify solutions that would never be accepted otherwise… you know, that’s a good tactic now that I think about it. Perhaps it should be used in some other context…
I ride a motorcycle (Harley) and save gas so others can drive their Suburbans and Tahoes and I’m OK with that.
Buy American and support the American dream. Have you sold-out to import cars or trucks, come back home to America.
To Robert:
Re: “Imbecile. Anywhere near Michigan? Perhaps we can duel it out in the woods.”
How mature. “I think you’re wrong, and I’m gonna kick your ass to prove it.” How noble of you; how downright American.
Not.
Oh, and to Newguy 40: I’m a relative of Audie Murphy’s. Spent quite a bit of time in his company when I was a small child. And based on those memories I think I’m safe in saying he would have HATED what George W. Bush has done to this country he fought so hard to defend.
W is just another attempt by the media to soil a president. The biggest problem is not the idiots that go to this movie, but those readers and viewers that actually believe that Bush is the Devil. The real Devil is currently ahead in the polls – God help us all if the media wins this election.
62 million did f*%k up the world!i don’t understand how you guys sleep at night! f*^k bush!!!
and McCain!!!!
George W. Bush has changed my political stance after his 2nd election. I come from a long line of Republican voters, and believe me when I say it ended this time around. We need change. And small minded thinkers are quite happy to lose their house and money to avoid change. Going to see the movie. Great director, great mind. Popcorn please.
Sounds to me like Stone nailed it. Bush IS a drunken frat boy/businessman/governor/president. And nothing Stone could do would be more insulting to 62 million voters than what Bush has done for the last 8 years. Bush (and the freak show we call his inner circle) deserves to be held up as the complete moron loser he is.
This movie is not an insult to 62 million voters. The deeds (if you can even call them that) of this administration are. Over 10 trillion dollars in the national debt. When Bill Clinton left office it was going down $27 dollars every 3 seconds. We had a budget surplus, now we’ve got record deficits. This guy had no clue what to do 8 years ago nor does he now. He will go down in history as the worst president ever, and considering some we’ve had,that’s saying a lot!
Oh Come on, Bush has been a disater, thru and thru. he didn’t WIN the first election, and many of the people i spoke to who voted for him int he second one only did b/c they felt he should clean up the mess he made. i’m sick of rightys blaming everything that has gone wrong in the country on the Clintons, and the “liberal media” has anyone even watched Fox News? Seriously, the scariest part of the media is that htereare actually people who believe Fox is “fair and balanced.” We never should have needed a surge in Iraq, b/c we never should have GONE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!! They didn’t attack us, bin Laden did! I can’t support an administration that sends my friends off the fight and die, and continues to do so b/c they can’t admit to a mistake.
Oh, and Bush IS a bumbling idiot. I wouldn’t trust the moron to take my paycheck to the bank, let alone run a country.
It sure worked! Dejected republicans, pissed off about bad poll numbers bile up.
I agree that the 62 million that put Bush in office TWICE did us all a disservice. We’ll be paying for this for decades — it will take at least that long to correct the damage done to America’s image worldwide and the economy.
That said, the big question is “HOW THE HECK IS IT, THAT HALF THE COUNTRY ALWAYS SEEMS TO VOTE THIS WAY?”
It’s simply that we Americans are pretty ignorant and petty when it comes to our politics. We vote with our wallet. And the conservatives often vote on so-called “moral” issues, like abortion and gay marriage. Many Republicans don’t seem to mind (or have given up trying to fight it) that their party has been hijacked by ultra-right wing evangelicals. It’s interesting — those same “people of faith”, who readily decry the “immorality” of gay marriage or abortion, never seem to worry about the immorality of a misguided war that’s killed thousands and thousands of people (including our own brave soldiers, who were sent to their death on a political whim).
I love my Country — so I’m voting for Obama.
Molly, I’m sure you’re a voter who voted for Bush twice. Those who protested the military-industrial complex in the 60′s are not part of the Bush administration. They are the ones who have done all they can to undermine Bush and aid and abet our enemies in a time of war. Traitors then and traitors now. I know you’re salivating over them running our country into the ground and ending the hated Amerikkkan Empire. Unfortunately for those of us who haven’t drank the Koolaid, we have to reap the consequences of your stupidity. Bush will be gone. Your lame empty headed hatred will have to find a new target. When your glib messiah fails to lift you from being a bitter loser who will you blame then?
Lotsa trolls here on this one….feeling your Irish Moonbats? In ten years W will be considered one of the most important Presidents ever. Unless Obama unravels our successes in the greater war on terror (which is So possible.) I voted for W after voting for Gore, and I know I made the right choice. We live in tough times, and sometimes the “little father” isn’t going to cradle you and coo to you a lullaby. The left has put together a winning formula this year, only because of an economic collapse they were mostly to blame for.
Bob Geldof (Boomtown Rats, Live Aid, etc..) had a revelation when touring Africa with W. Read his account, Moonbats. You might learn a thing or two.
Praying against Carter-style Stagflation…
John
Dear Megan, And we never should have gone after Hitler and we never should have gone after Stalin – wahhh. Read your history and learn from it. I studied American History and Russian History and have certainly paid attention to what is happening now. Sounds like there are a lot of new age whiners, or is that isolationists. I voted for George twice and would do it again if he could run. Take a serious look at the Congress is you want someone to blame for the economic problems. Presidents cannot write laws, they are stuck with the crap put in front of them.
Democrats have not allowed any progress because they had to make sure that it looked like this was a failed presidency so they could feel better about losing two elections to the Republicans. You probably even believe that Clinton left a surplus in 2000? Joke! Can you say ‘creative bookkeeping’? Get out your wallets if BO wins this one. Remember this – he is a lawyer who has made mountains of promises. Does he lie? Are his lips moving?
And it’s possible to get his side kick the Quixotic, illederate, Dinosour, for another four, or maybe 8, if he lives that long, or maybe Sancho Panza,
I just think it’s amusing to see so so many, obviosly partisan, right wingers come on here and be so angry at a movie.
Your guy messed up. Own up to it. YOU elected a terrible president. YOU elected the right’s version of Jimmy Carter, so don’t get angry when someone points out his short comings in a clearly dramatized fashion. What do you think a Jimmy Carter film would have looked like in 1980? I would have probably looked something like “W” in tone.
Get over it, it’s a film. And, if you don’t like it, next time nominate someone who can complete a sentence without either smirking, bumbling, or refering to Jesus… Whiners.
They should be insulted. It was known in the last election (and the prior one for that matter) what GWB had to offer the country.
I don’t think you will find one conservative who thinks that Bush has been close to perfect. But you can bet that we agree that he has our country’s best interests at heart, as opposed to the leftist Obama and his liberal illuminati associations with terrorists and hate-filled ministers.
Let me first start off by offering the disclaimer that I have not yet seen this movie. I plan on visiting the theater this weekend to catch it. I think for me it will be out of utter curiosity. I love a good controversy.
However, this is not the reason I am writing. I landed here as I was attempting to research early reviews on the movie and found these postings. I really have to laugh at some of the outright ignorace of some of you people. I, like many of you, voted for “W” twice. The first time because I am a Texan and he did an okay job as Gov. plus I have never been the biggest fan of Al Gore. The second time I voted for him was because the country was in such a mess from the war and everything else that was going on under his reign that I figured he needed to be the person to stick around and clean it up. I dont like Bush very much but I must defend him to a point. He was thrown into 911. The world changed that day and everything that has happened since has been a direct result of that. It is very unfortunate. Now I am not condoning his policies during this time. I think he has made MANY critical mistakes and has listened to too many of the wrong people. What has happened has happend and we need someone new in to clean it up. Preferably Obama, but that is another story.
Now I mentioned earlier that the previous postings made me laugh. If there is anything in this world I cannot stand, it is a hardcore Republican. You people really make me sick. You are so stuck in your ways that you are unwilling to admit anything you know to be true. All you ever to is talk about the “tree hugging, terrorist loving liberals”. In my opinion there are two kinds of Republicans:
#1 Those extremely weathly – you people liked Bush enough even though you know he is an idiot. You dont defend him too often (except when it comes to taxes) and you, like many of us are looking for a change (as long as it is not a democrat). I can deal with being around you because you care about wealth, business, and family. You typically dont spread your ideals. As long as we dont talk about politics, we can be friends.
#2 The super religous – you are the ones I absolutley cannot stand. You are the ones that never seem to shut up. Republicans can try to have gay sex in airport bathrooms and you dont talk about them. But you still bring up Clinton. You know nothing about any issues other than faith based ones, but you talk about everything as if you are some expert. You think that being a democrat is worshiping satan or something. You always talk about the liberal agenda. Well what about your religious agenda to spread Christianity into all forms of Government. People choose governments. People run this country. Not religion. Leave faith out of the mix. If you want to live your lifestyle in your home and with your family DO IT. But dont try to change everything in society because you dont agree with it. The thing that makes this country so great is the diversity we have and the way we all pull together to solve problems. I see you all on the posts acting like morons. And you are.
Finally…Bush is not a great man like many of you think. He is not a bad man either. I think he is the great tragedy of the 21st century. He is an average person who got stuck with a terrible burden. I dont know how anybody would have or could have reacted in his shoes. Who knows, if 911 had not happend he may have been a OK president. Either way, we will never know. Open your eyes America, embrace change. OH YEAH…IT IS ONLY A F***ING MOVIE!!!!
The worst thing about Bush is that the whole country is so fed up with him that they are taking it out on his party, and are about to elect a novice to replace him.
In four years, he’ll have screwed things up so much that … oh wait, he’ll probably get re-elected. After all, Bush did. Well, I lived through 8 years of W., so I guess I can live through 8 years of O., if need be.
haha, there’s going to be a black dem in the whitehouse soon! choke on that you bunch of moronic conservative in-breds! =)
These 62 million Americans deserve much more than to be insulted. They deserve to feel the consequences of their vote that so many Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani, etc. people have felt. That they are merely insulted is far too little a penalty for supporting a warmongering self-made “Good ‘Ol Boy” who isn’t fit to manage a department store let alone govern a nation.
Is it even possible to insult people as stupid as this?
trangbang68: “Those who protested the military-industrial complex in the 60’s… are the ones who have done all they can to undermine Bush and aid and abet our enemies in a time of war. Traitors then and traitors now.”
It seems you think the military-industrial complex is a good thing, and you’re glad that the neo-conservative movement has embraced it and expanded it. You’re free to think what you please, of course, but understand that holding an opinion like that makes your use of “drinking the Koolaid” ring a little hollow.
Toni: “And we never should have gone after Hitler and we never should have gone after Stalin – wahhh.”
Because like Hitler, Hussein went to war with the world, imposed his government on other countries and spread like wildfire. And the solution was to do the same thing we did to Stalin when we arrested him, toppled his government and occupied Russia.
Bush is a disaster,a sock puppet for the globalist plutocracy, he was foisted on the American people,to purge the republican party of real conservatives(READ NATIONALISTS)so that he could pimp out the USA to Mexico,and eventually to international oligarchies.It was fortunate for him that 9/11triggerd the reflexive conservative instinct to rally round the flag,thereby muting criticism. However, The Shrub revealed himself to be pathetically incompetent:he overplayed his hand, his support of curbs on the first amendment(alongside the liberal newsmedia, and left wing plutocrats like Soros),his spendthrift ways,his ineptness at warfighting,nominating a nonentity for the supreme court,his lickspittling of of the corrupt Vicente Fox,and his pushing to legalize the Mexican invasion,revealed him to conservatives,as blatant fraud.Why was he content to serve as a smiling,ignominious, punching bag for the democrats? Because he did not want to cause them electoral loses;he needed them to override the opposition to his immigration and globalist policies from the republican maimn street conservatives. Now it’s the turn of another imbecilic affirmative action sock-puppet, to do the bidding of globalist plutocrats,like Soros,and advance the same policies Bush failed to promote. Same excrement, different sewer.If voting worked, it would be illegal.
By the way — Bush, John McCain and Sarah AP’Palin share another habit common to Republicans these days: telling the rest of us that we’re unpatriotic.
Since when is it “unpatriotic” to examine your country’s problems? I’m SOOOO sick of hearing “our great and wonderful nation” peppered into every sentence these people say. Just repeating to yourself that “America is Great, America is GREAT…” doesn’t make it so — you have to WORK at it. We ALL do. And you’ll never fix a problem until you acknowledge that it exists.
And, we have ALOT of problems to work on.
Why I am voting Democrat!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending MY MONEY than I would. I think when you spread the wealth around it is good for everybody! It’s Patriotic!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. All profits are evil and should be confiscated for Government Redistribution.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that MORE Government regulations and higher taxes on Business will stop Business from exporting their jobs to Countries with LESS Government regulations and lower taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe terrorists should be allowed to have trials in American courts. And be able to subpoena top secret documents, soldiers, government officials, etc. to cross examine for their defense. They should have ACLU lawyers who can help intimidate Americans who serve on the juries!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in a FREE government health care system. I believe doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies, etc. will gladly donate their time, products, services, facilities, etc. for FREE and that will be a better system.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in and support trial lawyers, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous jury verdicts.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe 9/11 was an inside job to con the American people to go to war for oil.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe social security is solvent and that there is a social security lock box and I don’t believe social security is a Ponzi scheme.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Gay Marriage should be the law of the land and will probably produce better children.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe English should not be the official language of the United States. I don’t mind pushing one for English when I use the phone.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe partial birth abortion is okay but water boarding a terrorist is disgusting.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe having a domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers as a close friend is a good thing. It allows for great relations with foreign terrorists.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe MOST AMERICANS are bitter and cling to their guns and religion. Let’s rid our country of guns and religion!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe illegal aliens deserve all the rights of ordinary Americans plus some additional rights Americans do not have.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe groups like ACORN who register felons, drug addicts, wino’s, homeless drifters, illegal aliens, dead people, children, fictional Disney characters, etc. makes my vote count more.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe celebrating the winter solstice shows compassion for the small minority of people that do not celebrate Christmas.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe hard core criminal murders and rapists deserve life and that the innocent unborn deserve death. It’s a choice I can live with.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Bush caused Hurricane Katrina and he blew-up the levies in the ninth ward of New Orleans.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe our soldiers are AIR RAIDING villages and killing innocent people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe sex in the Oval Office with an intern is a private matter and that everybody lies under oath about sex.
I’m votin Demokrat becuse I wus edumkated at a publick sckrool. I lik da NEA!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that any one who is not partaking in one of the many wonderful government programs obviously has too much money and should pay higher taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq the terrorists will be happy and now think of us as good people.
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not offend people. Can’t we all just get along?
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits are wrong. I believe higher taxes on oil companies will produce lower prices at the pump.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe we need to rid ourselves of dependency on foreign oil, BUT I AM AGAINST offshore drilling for oil and natural gas, drilling in Anwar, building nuclear power plants and clean coal technology.
And finally, I’m voting Democrat because I believe Reverend Wright when he said “GODDAMN AMERICA” and “OUR CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST”. Hey let’s make a comfortable nest for those chickens!
Why are you voting Democrat?
128. John,129. Toni,133. Jeff, AMEN!!!
I’m one of those Christian Conservatives, and proud of it!! The difference I see on here are a bunch of foul mouthed liberals and common sense Republicans! In regards to the military, my son is one of those military. He chose to join and serve this country. I’ve had 3 nephews in Iraq and my son’s friend is over there now. All I’ve heard from them are positive stories of how things are there.Sure, there have been negative things as well, but it’s war! God bless the one’s that gave their lives to keep us safe and their families. If I remember right, congress voted to go there!The President can’t do anything without congress giving their OK. So quit blaming everything on President Bush. All this movie does is make the United States look weak and “not” united to the rest of the world.
Wake up everybody! This country is run by the industrial/military complex. Let’s chop down the military budget in half and you’ll see an invigorated country caring for its people.
If you want less government, trim the Defense money chewers and fat cats.
142. Average American Mom:
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NICE! I hope that actually got through to a few people. Especially the partial birth abortion part. If you believe in it, you don’t understand it.
142. Average American Mom:
AWESOME!!! Perfect!!! 100% correct!!!
120. rose:
62 million did f*%k up the world!i don’t understand how you guys sleep at night! f*^k bush!!! and McCain!!!!
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So it is true.. Every ROSE does have it’s THORNS. I bet your mommy is real proud of your vocabulary.
Why don’t you look up the Jimma Carter years? God forbid we repeat them with BO.
Sometimes I wonder at those commentators, those who insist that we haven’t seen the movie, will not ever see the movie, don’t know what we are talking about.
Are those permanently ‘scarred for life’?
You know, you mother warned you the stove was hot, past experience showed you the flame was hot, yet these same people insist “Nope, this is a new stove. Unless you touch it this time, you don’t know what you’re talking about.”
Lyk so many udders,I’m voting for da dems,becaus I a hi skool drop aut,a n they goin’ to give me free mony also cuz i got vd da doc sez its reachd da brain an i need a lot of free madecl caire. he said mani dumd ah dems hav da same problm. Voat obbamamma!
BC
You are a tool so go crawl under the rock you came from and chew on some dung.
Well considering the situation we are now in, I have to admit the 62 million voters should be insulted. We have done far more damage to the country and the world then this slight insult. Let’s face facts, the world Clinton left us with was much better than the world Bush has left us.
If we are honest with ourselves we can see the same qualities in Palin.
I don’t know about you, but this time I’m voting based on my love of country this time and not my wallet. Hopefully Obama can undo some of the damage Bush has caused.
“Average American Working Mom” Bravo!!! you took the words right out of my mouth.
Boycott any hollywood film; I’m tired of the left making money, gaining celebrity status, and using that power to support their leftist agenda against us. Boycott new releases at movie theatres; just rent videos from now on; less profits, less power.
What I would like to know is if the creator’s of this trash are taking advantage of all those tax give aways by states and the Fed’s. If so, then our own tax dollars are helping support this which is truly fleecing the American people.
Much of the derogatory points on Bush come from a media in bed with the Democrats. So who is to say that much if any of it ever was the truth?
What we do know though, is we have the Democrats to thank for the present financial mess this country is in; and that is factually recoded with their votes in 1977 and Clinton’s tinkering with it even more in the 90′s.
But if you are interested in looking at a longer term fleecing, go to the Security Exchange Act of 1934, section 32, paragraph a). There you will find a corporate officer get out of jail free card that neither party has ever attempted to alter or circumvent.
Now, you want to put the party that orchestrated one of the biggest financial disasters into the Whitehouse with control over Congress? Then go ahead and vote for the Democrats; but do not cry when they screw the pooch even worse in the coming years.
The only financial solution to Government budgetary woes is the same as it has been for Corporations. That is control over the spending side. Revenue (tax) increases on the wealthy with refunds to the less fortunate is nothing more than redistribution of wealth to those who did not put forth an effort to deserve it. Further, spending cuts without a budget process that rewards savings is just as ill advised.
Bush is the biggest joke of the m all, even a bigger joke than Reagan. Conservatives love them both because they “saved” them money…how are those savings looking right about now? This movie couldn’t be far from the truth if you are familiar with any of the Bush policies. Don’t worry Stone, Clooney and Madonna I know your fan base around the world jumped significantly even if the programmed mass of Repubs dwindled a bit.
Roger Ebert gave this movie 4 stars… he claims that the dialogue is “realistic” and at no point sounds like “malicious fiction”. The fact that it is, indeed, “malicious fiction” doesn’t matter. It fits into the left’s collective mind as to how conversations in the Bush circles would sound. Since Stone based his movie on the “many tell-all books” written by former Bush associates and the book by Bob Woodard, he takes it to be gospel, and thinks Bush won’t be too insulted, because he’s still busy on his “mission from God”.
Pathetic. The left is so full of hate and venom, it takes my breath away.
“I guess allowing us to be attacked on 9/11 is only despicable when Clinton does it.”
No, it’s simply laughable that the party that brought you Pearl Harbor has the unmitigated gall to say word one about what happened on 9/11, and it’s especially laughable since the mighty Dems could have dealt with Al Qaida, but their glorious leader was too busy getting his dick sucked and bombing Serbia to be bothered with making a serious effort to go after terrorists who attack Americans.
Chandler Rasco’s piece here is one of the most clear thinking comments……as an independent voter I cannot imagine how most of you radical right or left idiots think…..I guess most people dont want to have to actually THINK about the world around them and understand that its not just black or white…its easier to hide inside the “tribe” and hate everyone outside…..dont you see that what really should be feared are the crazy radical nut jobs that you see here and in left wing blogs….our country is defending against radicals and I am worried that the radical hate that I see here will be our greatest threat whether its right or left……………its simple, if the sitting president and his party has screwed up…then try a new direction……..the republican party has done so much to polorize the country since Reagan turned it idiological….when it goes back to basic conservative roots and throws away the hate and personal attacks then it may start working again……..
The Bush administration is not only an insult to 62 million voters, but to the annuls of history. Anyone who is still Republican after the last 8 years is not smart enough to participate in a democracy. You’re all like Rush Limbaugh and that moron woman in Minnesota who thinks Obama is an Arab.
“there is not a single moment that shows any reason why anyone would support such an imbecile;”
Hard to believe this could be pointed out with a straight face. Its a movie about a dumb ass president that sold his country down the drain, not a movie about all the dumb ass Americans who squandered their votes for a fake image of a cowboy they imagined they could drink a beer with. Kyle Smith: Not all media outlets are going strive so dilligently as you (or perhaps Fox News) to seek out the shiny coin beneath the dump truck load of manure that George Bush has been dumped on us. You deserve the president’s medal of honor for your undying loyalty to the man that will go down as the worst president in our nation’s history. Friend: you, I, and all the rest of America will be stinking for many years for what W has done to this country. Do you really think that any benefits of the freaking SURGE makes all the stink go away??? If you want a movie that makes Bush look good,you might have to write the script yourself.
The Republican Party, as known to many in the past, is dead. The political party that stood for limited government, lower deficits, America first no longer exists. Bush has created the largest federal work force which will only expand further as it takes over banks and other private businesses. Our deficit has reached sky-rocketing proportions thanks to Bush’s exploding expenditures. And, the idea of making America the world leader in taking care of its own citizens and being respected by others has faded. Today, our businesses try to send as many jobs overseas as possible, hide their profits off shore and close U.S. based work facilities. It has been taken over by a those appealing to the religious right, the wealthy and putting themselves first. A new name is needed to identify this party correctly…it is not the Republican party of Lincoln, Eisenhower and Reagan.
Saw it two days ago at a free premiere. Save your money. The day after the election it will be at Big Lots. No wonder this director had to get the Chinese to back it – it’s not about the politics this time — the movie just plain stinks! Stay home and watch SNL! It’s free and right now it’s good!
Insult my ass! What about taking responsibility for the damage you G.W.Bush voters did to the whole World by electing him twice???????????????????
Insult my ass too! I hate Bush so much cause he caused all the bad things to happen and it all has made me so scared of everything, like Michele Obama says, “we are a nation of fear.” he straterd all the problems with the Arabs and then he strated all the ars and hurricanes n stuff. Then we were all getting free houses and buying lots of stuff on credit and stuff and he wanted to stop it but the good guys like Barney Franks stopped him, but then he destroyed the whole world economy anyway!
Yeah, “he strated all the ars hurricanes n stuff”.
I just saw “W”. It totally sucked. Stone couldn’t decide if it was going to be serious, or funny or journalistic. It came off as just a pathetic depiction that even I thought was not cool. The clips that were funny in the commercials were completely unfunny in the context of the scenes from which they were taken. And (like Kyle Smith says) the songs that were chosen do not fit the scenes and imply humor at innappropriate moments. It was clear Stone chose the worst examples of Bush quotes and mannerisms to stoke the characterization of him as an imbecile, but in some ways Bush’s manner and mental state in the movie made him appear semi intellegent despite Stone’s efforts. If the movie had been funny as we were led to believe it would be, the songs and the stupid characterizaton might have pulled it together but but it wasn’t so they didn’t. I was expecting the best from “W” but have to admit some of what Kyle Smith wrote was right. But it really wasn’t any more of an insult to the 62 million Bush voters than it was (in my opinion) to the 62 million Bush haters. I wanted red meat and all I got was day old pudding!
This film was not a character assassination. This film was actually quite restrained, drawing a portrait of George W. Bush as quite human, quite flawed but not an inherently bad man.
If the film makes this reviewer feel that 62 million Americans are insulted by it’s very existence, he needs to grow a thicker skin. The subject matter of the Bush Presidencies are far too intricate and complex to be adequately dealt with in a film format. This is a character study and as such it offers much of interest. Of course the interested viewer will want more; why is Condoleeza Rice allowing herself and her considerable intellectual gifts to be relegated as not much more than a sidekick to a man who is unable to fend for himself intellectually? What do Rove and Cheney really think of W.? We don’t know for sure. We may never know.
What we do know is this; George W. Bush led the country into quagmires, at home and abroad, of unprecedented proportions.
The moments such as his speech at the World Trade Center were moments far larger than he can ever be; he had our support because of US, because we are Americans.
It had nothing to do with him. Any American leader would have experienced the same wave of profound support. Whether any other American leader would have squandered that support at home and abroad…that is the true stuff of speculation.
Stone is a small minded fanatic who only speaks for those who refuse to accept life.
financed by foreign money? this film was made for foreign distribution…America’s enemies will love it…Stone pockets big bucks…again.
How exactly can it be considered an insult? Did you not vote for this guy knowing exactly who he was?
..it’s probably been alluded to in some way in this thread, but I can hardly wait for Stone’s “O.” — a paen to Obama’s bumblings and ministrations in his (hopefully) one term as president.
This movie is soo bad how can they blame the last eight years of Americas colapsing fundamentals on the best dang president ever!!!
I went to see this movie yesterday, when It first came out. The audience was mostly OLD People! Really old! And they were laughing at the big doofus that is W. They leave out all the good stuff (that will be used as evidence against him and Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Rice and Rumsfeld), but they do portray him for the loser he really is. I bet G.W.H. Bush wished Babs had an abortion with him now. LOL! I’m not, but I can bet a LOT of Republicans wish they never heard the name George “W” Bush.
“What we do know is this; George W. Bush led the country into quagmires, at home and abroad, of unprecedented proportions.”
Apparently this left loon never heard of WWI, WWII, Korea or Vietnam.
600,000 Americans killed in wars the mighty Dems got us into…and we still have troops spread all over the world, damn near all of whom were put there after WWII and Korea, thanks to the liberal Democrats and their brilliant policies.
Talk about a quagmire.
Except, they don’t like talking about it.
So “W.” is a success because it made $3.8 million last night? — but it cost over $25 million to produce. Won’t have a good night tonight when everyone stays home to watch Palin/Fey do the “identical cousins” on SNL…
Dave Surls: “…the mighty Dems could have dealt with Al Qaida, but their glorious leader was too busy getting his dick sucked and bombing Serbia to be bothered with making a serious effort to go after terrorists who attack Americans.”
In other words, as far as you’re concerned there was no Anti-Terrorist Act of 1996 (the original Patriot Act), and as far as you’re concerned the Republican Congress didn’t put the brakes on Clinton’s retaliation for the Cole bombing. As far as you’re concerned, Bush ignoring manhunts in Afghanistan and Pakistan and instead pissing away our fighting forces in a country that had nothing to do with Bin Laden until we got there counts as “dealing with Al Qaeda.”
In other words, as I said, as far as you’re concerned, doing nothing about 9/11 is only despicable when Clinton does it.
I know most folks only take advice from people who tell them that they’re right, but I have more faith in you than that so here’s my advice: Dogma is not your friend. Dogma is the ring in your nose that people with power use to lead you around.
I haven’t watched the movie, and I’m not going to, but it’s a sad day to see an article on PJM about a movie, no matter how bad, claiming the movie “insults” a slice of the citizens who have voted for Bush.
It seems the leftist “take offense” strategy is spreading.
Shame on you all who buy this ultimate spineless defense.
Tell me, is The Path to 9/11 still being held up from DVD release?
Let me clarify: Is The Path to 9/11 still being held up from DVD release by the left?
Is Joe the Plumber still wondering if he will work at his profession in Ohio?
Ragging on Bush is easy, acceptable and cowardly. Easiest and safest bet in the world.
Rag on Clintons, you get shut down or suspended (remember when MSNBC had to apologize for and suspend Schuter?)
Rag on Obama – or just ask the guy a question that leaves him vulnerable – and you’ll be hounded and investigated.
We’re going to miss Bush when he’s gone. A man with faults and failings, like any other man, but he has courage, and he loves the country too much to shut people down the way the left is itching to.
You lefties are welcome to your Obama. Practice those goosesteps, now.
The movie is sad, it def is no celebration. Even us that did not vote for Bush didn’t want the country to be ruined. I pegged most of it though. In 2000 I told my husband who loves Bush this is what will happen. Most of it did. It was obvious to me. Some of it just common sense, but what people do is believe neg ads then they go to the polls. It is just to bad.
It must be confusing to wake up to a new world of fantasy every morning. You almost forget who you have to hate. Well today is easy you can hate me . I don’t care because ditto heads don’t count.
The 62 million voters richly deserve the insult. They’re going to vote for Sarah ’6-pack’ and her doddery leader anyway. I believe they’re already casting for Oliver Stone’s new comedy movie about McCain. Ladies don’t bother to try-out – Tina Fey is a shoo-in.
Bernie: read comment#149. It describes, you and other dems’s motivations perfectly.
Average American Mom: You are a funny writer! And very articulate! And passionate about what you believe! Too bad you confuse true assessmet of democratic beliefs with right wing propaganda straight from A.M. talk radio. Your writing leads one to believe that you have some level of education (unlike many of the commenters on this page). But the fact that you are wrong on everything you say is damn scary! So democrats believe that “all profits are evil”??? In other words, democrats are communist? Democrats don’t believe in business? Democrats are either on welfare or work for the welfare department because they don’t believe in free enterprise or making a buck? Democrats dont play the stock market? American Mom: where do you get your facts to back up these assertions? The scary thing is that you and others actually believe this crap and yet have nothing with which to back it up!!! But you are an excellant writer (or did you steal that from Rush Limbaugh?).
I will never “spend a penny” on any of the Hollywood haters’ motion pictures and nor will I ever defend one of them.
But those of this thread’s geniuses who suggest that the sixty-odd million of us who elected and then re-elected President Bush had any choice are even more bloody nuts than is the traitor, Stone.
And/or than are those who will blow their 2008 votes on Barr or Keyes or Nader or McKinney or on, God Almighty please forbid, the mobbed-up Marxist murtadd (**) Muslim, B Milhous bin B Hussayn bin Hussayn Muhummad Ubama.
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – Califobamacated 90028 — and the Far Abroad
(**) — (or so he says)
Richard:She is indeed an excellent Not excellant writer.You must have gone to a government,ie:democrat controlled school.Democrats certainly love profits! As long as they are made by Nancy Pelosi’s slimeball husband, Hollywood, Madonna and George Soros,NOT Joe the plumber, or a republican.Are they communists? No! they lack the guts to openly wage war on the average American;instead they use hired thugs like ACORN to register other thugs to vote;they seek to destroy both the first and second amendments, to enslave the people to welfare dependency;they use thug judges to subvert true democracy, and they are about to repeat the great society, which destroyed the black family,and has put 1/3 of black men in jail.Yes they do play the stock market! Wall Street-Fannie Mae,and Freddy Mac were all managed by plutocratic democrat scum; and what a great job they did! Average American Mom did not specify these things,because they are self-evident to anyone who has observed the history of the last 30 years.Scratch a democrat,find a stalinist!
Brian Richard Allen:
Just wondering–why are you quoting the words “spend a penny”? Most of what you wrote is unintelligible and the other part just sounds like nonsense. Why exactly is Stone a “traitor”? Is a traitor anyone who doesn’t support the republican party? Why do you think you had no “choice” when you voted for Bush both times? Is it because Gore and Kerry are “traitors”? Am I being a traitor for daring to ask you about your ignorant views? Do you even know what a traitor is?
Deguello: I responded to American Mom because she writes from her heart and people actually listen to expressions like that even though they may be wrong. I don’t have much to say to you. Nobody listens to the trash that you write. You are obviously crazy and of the type that might light a school on fire. I don’t want to upset you. Thank you for catching my spelling error. I’m not a communist, and didn’t go to a communist school–just a bit lazy.
Richard: how long (or, rather, short) is this movie? It seems you saw it between your post 164 offtimed at 12.47 a.m. and your post 165 offtimed at 1.13 a.m.
Richard:You wrote to American Mom to patronize her, and attempt to marginalize her,and anyone else who has conservative views. It’s kind of hard to “listen” to what I write for obvious reasons,however, you(and plenty of others) are reading my posts,and will continue to do so regardless of your silly invective. You can’t address any of my arguments, so you resort to outlandish accusations.I suggest,you get your syphillis treated;it’s obviously reached tertiary stage.Scratch some democrats;find a syphillitic!
dgforbes: 2 hrs. 164 had nothing to do with 165.
I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history.
So here is a simple fact for America -
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.
Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go.
We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.
What people don’t understand is why some of us are so against the current Republican ticket, but we have an obligation to fight against history of ever being repeated again. Many of us out here are not fighting for the Democratic campaign but are fighting against an ideology.
1) An ideology that completely mirrors the ideology of this past 8 years.
2) An ideology that recognizes the few while completely disregarding the masses.
3) An ideology that believes in taking military action against Iraq, an incident that is completely unrelated to 9/11, without solidifying our claims beforehand. In the present, we have found no evidence of weapons of mass destructions or a tie to Osama Bin Laden. The devastation of this war has cost us over 4,000 of our brave troops and counting, over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxpayer’s money and counting, and over 1 million Iraqi lives unrelated to the terrorists or insurgency.
Cost of the Iraq War — http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
4) An ideology that still believes that the Iraq War is the right war on terrorism when the Afghanistan War should had been the right war on terrorism, where Osama Bin Laden actually was until he slipped into the mountains and into Pakistan’s territory now. The Iraq War also diverted our attention away from the Afghanistan War. We now have extended our resources in two separate places and have heightened our risk to our troops, our expenses, and creating another dilemma that will take quite some time to finalize. The Iraq War will not go away overnight and it is now our obligation to see it all the way through for God knows how many more years. This has also been the most unpopular war in the eyes of the world’s communities.
5) An ideology that believes that we are at our safest state since 9/11, when a recent terrorist plot was still trying to enter Great Britain’s airports with liquid explosives heading directly to us, but thankfully the plot was foiled. While in Afghanistan, the terrorists are regrouping and strengthening and we have recently suffered another high casualty to our troops yet again within this past month. We currently have the least amount of alliances in the world’s communities due to this unpopular Iraq War. True national securities are the ties that bind us to our world’s communities and the ties that bind them to us.
6) An ideology that vetted one of the most inexperience VP ticket in history, from foreign policies to national defense. If God forbids that anything happens to this President if elected and is stricken with illness, this VP will be running the country. For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin’s VP readiness, please look at these links below —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/
7) An ideology that believes in “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” while we are facing the highest mortgage foreclosure crisis, high unemployment rate, and the largest collapse of our financial infrastructures since The Great Depression of 1929.
This is an ideology that many of us in America are against. Whether this ideology is in the Republican or Democratic ticket is not the main issue but the fact is that America does not want to fall into another 4 more years of devastation. We cannot afford this anymore.
Booo freggin Hooo! whinny Jeff, what is this a freggin nursery?
Don’t you get tired of the same old blah blah blah blah, Bush lied people died BS?
As far as 9/11, that was being planned and designed under Clinton’s watch.
Going into Iraq did you forget about the UN resolutions that Saddam violated?
Your BS about no WMD found in Iraq, do you think that Saddam was smarter then a local drug dealer in America? If any drug dealer was notified that the police are planning a drug bust do you really think the drugs would still be there when the police arrived? Saddam had months to move those WMD’s.
I would bet that you believe that Clinton, Bareback Barney and the rest of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac democrats had nothing to do with mortgage foreclosure crisis, First of all, Fannie Mae Freddie Mac, these two companies have close financial an political ties to the Democratic Party. you do the math!
come on with the BS, use some commonsense. (+¿+)
OK, you hate Bush, so what!
get over it! Bush is not running for office!
Get your head out of that liberal/Marxist bubble and stop drinking that damn koolaid, it’s turning your brain to mush. (ò¿ó)
Jeff: please spare us your little cartoonish liberal videos,and stop insulting our intelligence with your patronizing”obligation ” to fight history. You are fantasizing about how important and noble you are. you are neither. Besides,to attack Palin as unqualified to be president,and then vote for a street agitator in a Brooks Brothers suit,and an affirmative action Ivy degree,and who has the economic knowledge of a retarded stalinist,is to commit idiocy.If you were really concerned with hisytry,you’d point out that the banking criss was CAUSED BY DEMOCRATS,with the encouragement of their iedological houseboy, Obama.What a self-righteous faux patriotic,self dramatizinfg pendejo!
Jeff: you won’t get an intelligent response–just crazed ranting.
If you had something to say,to me you could have done so when I exposed your whining liberal stupidity,on #189.Don’t hide behind Jeff’s doubtlessly inadequate figure,to write your simpering,patronizing,bleatings,otherwise,you’ll be exposed as just another liberal pendejo.
149. deguello:
“Lyk so many udders,I’m voting for da dems,becaus I a hi skool drop aut,a n they goin’ to give me free mony also cuz i got vd da doc sez its reachd da brain an i need a lot of free madecl caire. he said mani dumd ah dems hav da same problm. Voat obbamamma!”
Tank yu mister Degallo for yor enkoraging words. free money is good! I got my vd from yor gerlfrend and now she left me. she got it from her poblican gay frend. Vota Obama. maybe the poblicans giv me a job in wal strit.
Deguello: you try real hard to be the mouth piece for the extreme rightwing view point. Unfortunately none of the vomit you spew will stick to anything you try to fling it to because it all stinks so bad with your psychotic and hostile ranting nobody will ever bother giving it a second thought. I came to this site originally to read articles from the conservative side. I am a liberal but I recognise that liberals can be wrong in their view points too and so I like to try to hear (READ) what the other side has to say. I honestly don’t know for example, who’s fault the current economic crisis is. The liberals generally say its due to 8 yrs of Bush or because the republicans have always prevented adequate regulation of the loan industry. But by reading (and listening) to republicans I find that they blame the democrats for making it easier for those with bad credit to get loans. The point is I try to have an open mind and go on sites like this not to call republicans foul names but to read their comments and sometimes challenge them to explain. You can accuse me of trying to “marginalize” and “patronize” and tell me my “invective” is “silly”. And you can get even uglier by calling me “bendejo” and say that I suffer from “syphilis” and I’m sure in that sick head of yours you can come up with a million other vile insults. Like I said in my first response to you: you come off as nothing but a crazy nut job that nobody, normally would want to pay any attention to. You might actually have decent points hidden in the pile of vomit crap that you lay out. But no normal person would want to waid into it and belive me Deguello, its not because you are right– its just because you are disgusting and it would be pointless to bother with you. Now try pulling your keyboard out of your stinking ass and write something worth discussing. Otherwise you are just like the school bully that “wins” every argument only because you have the biggest mouth. Bendejo!
Oh and lastly BENDAYHO, Go EFF yourself if you don’t like my spelling!
First of all Dickie, I called you a pendejo;not a bendejo,whatever that is,next, it’s wade, not “waid”;it’s depressing to admit that the despite the poetic justice involved, even liberals,are falling victim to the inept schools, they so love.I am happy to see a liberal admitting that he is not omniscient,but the patronizing tone, of your screed, especially to American Mom,belies your admission. I was wrong to call you syphillitic;what you are is intellectually corrupt and disingenous. You claim not to know who is responsible for the fiscal crisis,yet you describe it as giving loans to people with bad credit,as if thjat were somehow anything but a prescription for financial chaos. For your information the crisis was caused by Barnie Frank Chris Dodd, and the other corrupt, democratic thugs who relaxed the lending rules enough to put welfare rabble in homes they could not otherwise afford as one more dem.lib cheme to buy their votes of .But what can you expect from a party that tries to illegally register felons to vote,canceling the votes of the law abiding.I’m glad that you feel I’m not worth paying attention to,you wrote more than 400 words,ignoring me ,and your obscene little screed undoubtedly attracted curious more readers who got to see you to see you get skewered again.I have nothing up my ass except excrement,which if I were as deranged as you, I might use to create the kind of “art”so beloved by liberal art critics,Unfortunately for you, I prefer to save it for defecating on liberals like you. PS: You are still a PENDEJO! By the way it’s not EFF,my god,you can’t even spell the “f” word correctly;it’s those damned liberal-run government schools.
Rolito: Sorry, but that was lame and derivative,just like most liberal thought;you’ll have to do better than that;incidentally, your liberal girlfriend enjoys being defecated on by conservatives more than she likes copulating with you9see above).I’m not surprised;who could enjoy sex with a talentless clown named rolito. Rolito the Clown! I like the ring of that!
Mack: “…Fannie Mae Freddie Mac, these two companies have close financial an political ties to the Democratic Party. you do the math!”
Tch, tch, Mack. Talking points and facts are two different things. Let’s try the opening sentence from an Associated Press article published just days ago. From “Mortgage Firm Arranged Stealth Campaign” by Pete Yost, Associated Press Writer on Mon Oct 20, 1:28 pm:
“Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.”
Clear evidence that the Democrats are responsible, I’m sure you’ll agree.
Sorry to kill your big lie,Kiljoy,but the fact that a Democratically controlled Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae hired a “republican “pr firm to stop a bill that would have stopped them from continuing to buy the vote of the feckless improvident with home mortages,only proves that the firm was a whore.I’m assuming,of course, that AP(American Propaganda),is not just disseminating a new liberal canard.What did they do,take a poll of the firm’s workers,s political preferences?Incidentally Killtruth, why don’t you point out that the 2 most prominent politicians pushing for more federal control of Fannie Mae,3 years ago,were John McCain,and George Bush,hey Killtruth? Go back to your democratic sewer,and practice up on your propaganda techniques.
AS a public service to the honest readers of this blog,please Orson Scott’s column on the democrat responsibility for the Financial collapse,and the media’s attepts to hide it , and blme it on the republicans.Its available on The Ornery American.com Worldwatch.com, and The American Spectator.What makes it remarkable is that Card is a bona fide liberal,who despite his liberalism, is an honest man.The article will serve to inoculate you from the cant and other garbage coming from such as Kiltruth.
That is ORSON SCOTT CARD Sory.
“I’m assuming,of course, that AP(American Propaganda),is not just disseminating a new liberal canard.What did they do,take a poll of the firm’s workers,s political preferences?”
I’ve provided you with the title, author and date of the article. Your answer lies there. That you form your opinions without examining the evidence speaks volumes.
“Sorry to kill your big lie,Kiljoy…”
You’ll accomplish that when you disprove the article’s allegations.
“…the fact that a Democratically controlled Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae hired a “republican “pr firm to stop a bill that would have stopped them from continuing to buy the vote of the feckless improvident with home mortages,only proves that the firm was a whore.”
When powerful people whore their citizens’ futures for the sake of more money and power, it is indeed a problem.
“Go back to your democratic sewer,and practice up on your propaganda techniques.”
Ah, this must be the leftist hatred and venom I hear so much about.
You assume that because I don’t agree with you, I must agree with the democrats. This, too, speaks volumes about you. Over 300 million souls populate the United States and every last one of them believes fully in either Position A or Position B with no other alternatives, is that it? Certainly nobody could believe a little of one and a little of the other, and it’s unthinkable blasphemy to suggest a Position C, D or E.
A binary Manichean worldview turns people into slaves who fiercely defend their belief in slavery. I don’t mind if you call me a democrat to make yourself feel better because it has nothing to do with me. There is more in heaven and earth, to coin a phrase, than is dreamt of in your philosophy.
Wow! words like “mamichean”, and “binary,”and correctly spelled,too,from a pompous,obviously liberal democrat,blogger who is using spell check! Obviously folks,Kiljoy spares no effort to kill the truth!.You didn’t suggest proposition d,e,f,g or anything, you just repeated democrat big-lie talking points,about the fiscal crisis,because it was the democrats who ,to quote you, “…whored out their nation’s future .”to buy the votes of the improvident rabble with cheap mortages.You are obviously a dem,although I don’t need to resort to epithets to feel better, exposing you as a fraud serves that purpose just fine, thank you!. Bloggers: please read the article referenced on#’s 206 and 207,and decide for yourselves, whether Kiltruth, should return to his sewer r continue his electronic infestations..I have no further use for him.
“a pompous,obviously liberal democrat,blogger…”
You are incorrect on all accounts except for ‘pompous.’ But as I said in my last post, according to your worldview if I don’t agree with you then I must agree with your ‘enemies’ (or as a great man once said, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us”). What else is there in the world except for democrats and republicans? Surely nothing.
“You didn’t suggest proposition d,e,f,g or anything…”
So positions besides democrat and republican simply don’t exist if I don’t delineate them for you? Do I have to write a book about all other worldviews every time I post, just to keep them from vanishing into the aether?
“…you just repeated democrat big-lie talking points…”
I quoted the first line of an article which casts doubt upon your assertion that democrats are the only ones responsible for the financial crisis. If you consider “Democrats are not the only ones responsible for the financial crisis” to be a talking point, I really don’t know what to say. How about “politicians?” Can we agree on that? “Politicians are responsible for the financial crisis?” Or is there no room for that in your doctrine?
“You are obviously a dem…”
You just can’t wrap your head around anything other than democrat or republican, can you?
“…exposing you as a fraud…”
I am delighted by this. All it takes to expose someone as a fraud is saying “I’ve exposed this person as a fraud?” I thought you had to offer verifiable facts that prove the assertion in question to be incorrect. I never knew it was as easy as “It’s true because I say so!” Now that I know that, though…
I’ve exposed you as a democrat. There! According to your rules of rhetoric, it’s now true.
No fraud ,saying politicians are responsible for the fiscal crisis’is like saying disease is a cause of death.It was democratic politicians,principally Obama,Frank,and Dodd,and before them Clnton and Carter,who perpetrared this atrocity,your staement is dissembling, which is a variety of fraud.Again, for other Bloggers, you decide which one of us is a fraud ;read The Orson Scott Card article in the Ornery American.com site, and decide.All the “verifiable facts aree there,which killjoy is trying to kill.
THE 62 MILLIONS IDIOTS WERE THE ONES HOODWINKED BY OBAMA YESTERDAY. WEAK MINDS ARE THE EASIEST ONES HE SAYS.
“…saying politicians are responsible for the fiscal crisis’is like saying disease is a cause of death.”
If the root of our problems is that obvious, why do we still allow politicians to run our society? You make an analogy with disease, but when it comes to disease we do everything we can to stamp it out. We do considerably less with our politicians. Why?