Vindication for Marine Charged in Haditha Cover-Up
A military jury has acquitted 1st Lt. Andrew Grayson of all charges that he helped cover up the killing of 24 Iraqis in Haditha following the IED ambush of a Marine patrol.
Grayson, a Marine intelligence officer, had been accused of having a military photographer erase digital photos of the dead Iraqis. Grayson had turned down a plea deal to face charges on five counts that could have led to a maximum of 20 years in prison. An obstruction-of-justice charge against Grayson had been dismissed by the judge earlier in the week.
Remember Haditha?
The November 19, 2005 killings of 24 Iraqi civilians was once a key talking point for anti-war activists and politicians, who likened the event to a modern day My Lai.
The original Marine account issued the next day claimed that 15 civilians had been killed by an enemy improvised explosive device (IED) that also killed Marine Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, and that eight insurgents were killed in the ensuing firefight. Exactly four months after events took place, TIME Magazine posted an article Collateral Damage or Civilian Massacre in Haditha? which claimed, based upon interviews with locals, that the 24 civilian dead were the result of Marines “who went on a rampage” after Terrazas was killed.
The evidence spurred multiple investigations, including an investigation to determine if the troops deliberately targeted Iraqi civilians, and another investigation to determine if there was evidence of a cover-up.
Early in the investigations, based upon unknown evidence, Democratic Rep. John Murtha (PA) stated that “there was no firefight, there was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.”
Barack Obama, asked about Murtha’s charge by Alan Colmes in June of 2006, stated, “I would never second guess John Murtha… I think he’s somebody who knows of which he speaks.”
Murtha’s “in cold blood” statement and the Democratic Presidential nominee’s unquestioning acceptance came seven months before the military charged eight Marines with various offenses in December of 2006. Charges against five of the eight Marines have since be dropped for lack of evidence, and in the first of three scheduled trials, Grayson has been acquitted. It remains to be seen if Rep. Murtha or Senator Obama will offer Lt. Grayson an apology, cold-blooded, or otherwise.
Of the two cases remaining, only Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich faces charges directly related to the killings. The most serious charges he faces are nine counts of involuntary manslaughter. Curiously, his case has been postponed indefinitely, and was not expected to resume until after both of his military defense attorneys had retired, weakening his defense in a complex case. Late-breaking information from Bruce Kessler of The Democracy Project, who has been covering the Haditha cases in detail, states that Lt. Col. Colby Vokey will delay his retirement again to stay with Wuterich’s defense.
The third case, against commanding officer Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, is said to be tainted by “unlawful command influence” in charging Chessani according to the judge presiding over the case, suggesting that Chessani is a political scapegoat for higher-ranking officers seeking to appease anti-war politicians. His trial is expected to commence June 17.
Much as I respect the military, their efforts to appease the lefties by throwing obviously innocent troops off the cliff are despicable.
Never fails.
Never succeeds, either. You can’t appease lefties by putting a few innocents in jail.
The military ought to know that.
Yeah, you have to put a lot of innocent people in the gulag^H^H^H^H^Hjail to appease the lefties.
I’m glad he’s vindicated and acquitted, they ALL should be – this was a worthless, politically-driven prosecution from the outset and Murtha should be stripped of his former rank and expelled from office.
As a former Marine (serving in Vietnam) I have been disappointed with the obvious political aspects of these proceedings by Headquarters Marine Corps. Further, I consider John Murtha an ex-Marine, not a former Marine. Thank God for true Marines like LtCol Vokey.
Mr. Murtha, Are you listening??? — On another note, this country is sooooooo lucky to have good men and women who are willing to serve in the armed forces, police departments and fire departments, considering the leftist out there who are all too willing to string up any one of these people who makes an honest mistake or does something that just looks bad…sad.
Surely this will prompt swift apologies from those officials and media outlets who convicted and slandered our troops prematurely. Sen Kerry, John murtha, NYT. We’re waiting….
I’m sure all those dead Iraqis and their relatives would be pleased to know that they weren’t murdered, just collaterally damaged. Somehow I think all the celluloid and video game war mongers here think you can start a nice little war and we won’t kill anyone but the bad guys. That’s why you don’t start wars unless there is no other alternatives. I hate all you pro Iraq war geeks. I wish you could get collaterally damaged too!
Thanks for publicizing this… I know Andrew’s family really well and it’s killing them that the charges were reported on way more than the acquittal was. We’re just glad that justice was served – he’s maintained his innocence all along.
Note directed at Javelin…. Perhaps you mis-read the article. It appears to me that based on the article, the initial civilians were killed because of an EID and the follow up battle resulted in insurgents being killed.
As for us “pro Iraq war geeks,” speaking only for myself, I would suspect that if and/or when this country finds itself behind the curve on preventing massive terrorist attacks, there will be a hue and cry as to why wasn’t more done to protect us. And, it won’t be just the geeks screeching.
For once, my enemy is likely, your enemy too.
I wish you only the best for you because if you retain your life and freedoms, others may also.
Murtha should stand trial.
How can one still believe in Democracy when the lawyers, the judges, and the media consistently overrule the votes of the people. The policy of putting our bravest and noblest men in prison is a deliberate policy and it’s purpose is to intimidate our bravest and noblest from doing what everyone knows must be done. There is no democracy, the people have no voice, the media and government education have corrupted our people and will lead us into slavery or genocide. A brave and noble warrior class would march into washington, jail the ACLU, the judges, the politicians and the media, they would do that because all of the above are corrupt and killing this country and everybody knows it. It’s time to start taking names and making lists. WHO are the officers and lawyers who have led th e witch hunt against these men?
I think that every former and present Marine who can get to either Washington, DC or Murtha’s home office in PA should organize a drumming out ceremony. The last one I heard of was in Quantico a long time ago when your 782 gear looked a lot different, but it went something like this. The offender (Murtha) is marched out into the company street with all the Marines lined up along the street all the way to the main gate. The ranks are facing each other across the street. The offender (Murtha) is stripped of every type of medal or ensignia which even remotely represents the Corps and with the drums playing a slow dirge he is marched out the gate… as he passes in front of each of the facing Marines, they do an abrupt about face, showing their absolute disdain for him. The Marines will then never speak his name again. I will volunteer to organize if we can get a couple of platoons of active and former Marines together .
Hey Javelin: Your comments betray the true thoughts of whacked-out liberals like yourself and Murtha et al. when defending the obvious injustice to our courageous troops, and when you say that you would like to see your own countrymen “collaterally damaged”. Sadly, you and your ilk have been brainwashed into hating your own country. Is America perfect? No, but we do more good in this world than any other country: officially as a nation, and collectively as private citizens through charitable and philanthropic giving. Grow up…
Thank God this has come to a good ending for this Marine. These Marines should never have been charged in the first place. I doubt if Murtha or anyone else will APOLOGIZE to these wonderful MARINES. Murtha should be chastized by the Marine Corp and our politicians for accusing these men of what they “supposedly” had done. These poor Marines were convicted by our LEFT WING POLITICIANS AND THE MEDIA even before they went to court. If I were any of those marines, I would SUE for being brought through this rediculous trial. GOD BLESS OUR MARINES AND I HOPE SOMEONE WILL APOLOGIZE TO THESE GREAT GUYS, BUT DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH. WE NEED MORE MARINES LIKE THIS. WE DON’T NEED THE ONES LIKE MURTHA. WHAT A PIECE OF WORK HE IS. I’M ASHAMED THAT HE EVEN WAS A MARINE AND SERVED OUR COUNTRY. GOD BLESS OUR SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY AND DOING THE RIGHT THINGS TO PROTECT US. BUT THE
LIBS SURELY DON’T THINK SO.
Ed ,USMC – Murtha is only the tip of the iceberg. The armed forces are infiltrated with clinton appointees and lawyers who are there for the sole purpose of weakening our forces. Let’s not leave bush out of the picture here either. In the case of these men we also need the names of the officers and lawyers who tried to railroad them. A thorough housecleaning is in order. It’s time to have the courage to admit the obvious, there are traitors in the marine corp and all through the government. The traitors in the government think that because they are the government no one will dare do anything to them, that everyone will play by the rules as they break them or use them to destroy us. The American people are waiting and hoping to see that our soldiers will stand against our internal enemies. or are they only brave against the external ones.
Trash like Murtha is all to common in this Country. Its funny how all these Liberals whine about every thing till it bites them in the butt. Liberalism is a sickness that pleagues this once Great Nation. Now we may get the most dangerous Liberal as President. I can’t belive that so called Americans are going to vote for Obama,they want change they will get what they want and more.
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. “Benjamin Franklin” 1759
I belive that Quote says it all.
The next trial that should be held would be that of John Murthay for treason and sedition. He was so quick to jump and blast our military and the soldiers out there defending our country.
It is so sad that we ask these men be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice and when they defend themselves we want to call them murderers.
The people that they are fighting have their battle plans well arranged and they prey on our desire to protect individuals. They do not care about families and children and continue to hide amoung them and put everyone at risks. Our troops many times have less than a second to make a life or death decision and when they make it those pious SOBs in Washington always take sides against the troops.
It is no wonder that they world is in teh situation that it is in. We have a bunch of spineless appreasers leading teh free world. Anyone who takes a stand is labeled as a war hawk and anyone who bashes the military is put on a pedestal.
Thank God they are being vindicated.
Here is quote for Javelin:
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
George Orwell, (attributed)
English essayist, novelist, & satirist (1903 – 1950)
How about putting Murtha on trial for treason? Wouldn’t that be nice?
Piles of feces like Murtha and Javelin, no matter how much garbage like them SAY they wish no ilk on the American soldier, desperately want to see them fry in Hell.
ARREST MURTHA Take him to jail in CHAINS Im OIF MOSUL
i agree murtha should be tried for treason along with the all rat bastard reporters from the New York time who spread this vile lie!
javelin, come to me. I need to teach you. I see public schools has failed.
What happened to my previous post? Is there a censor on duty making sure all the no one goes against the grain of the story?
Fred, you are spot on. they censured my first. was not bad, just chasitised that freak javelin
Fred they keep stopping me from posts cause i spoke ill of javelin’s flatulance
Javelin brings to mind the quote, “better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.”
The Liberal agenda has moved past the dislike and disrespect for our troops and the armed forces to the point of outright hatred.This is more saddening than anything else, but the truth is they will never get to us. When you’re right you’re right, despite Liberal media, left-wing elitists and moronic echo machines such as Javelin. Sleep tight Javelin, we’ve got your six.
And they have edited!!
“I prefer good taste to righteousness” and
“No god & no religion can survive ridicule. no political church,no nobility or other fraud,can face ridicule in a fair field,& live”
Both Mark Twain quotes are directed to the Regressive Right Wing that festers in America today!
“Somehow I think all the celluloid and video game war mongers here think you can start a nice little war and we won’t kill anyone but the bad guys. That’s why you don’t start wars unless there is[sic] no other alternatives.”
Celluloid? What are you, a hundred years old? Next you’ll be talking about “newsreels” and “horseless carriages.”
Twenty-three skidoo! A voh-dee-oh-doh!
“I hate all you pro Iraq war geeks. I wish you could get collaterally damaged too!”
I wish I could fly. That would be cool!
It just shows you that most politicians will eat s*** if someone told them it would get them re-elected. They are spinless worms most of them, Obama is a Loser!
next in line for trial needs to be the dirtbag Murtha who started this whole nightmare for these soldiers…Dirtbag Murtha should immediately be cuffed and sent off to cuba for a complete military tribunal being the nature of his crime….
I attempted today after reading of the acquittal of this marine to find an e-mail address for Murtha. The official website for congressman don’t have any e-mail addresses. I wanted to give that piece of feces a piece of my mind. Isn’t it convenient how all of these s***bags in Washington keep themselves insulated from their constituents. I can’t wait for the silent majority in this country to finally oust scum like Murtha and his ilk.
Let us not forget about that s** of a b**** Tim McGurk of Time who published the enemy propaganda which started this whole ball rolling.
Murtha is a typical DUMBocrat.
Thank God Lt Grayson recieved an aquittal. Hopefully the remaining Marines will also be aquitted. Since Defense Secretary Gates is in a mood to hold senior officers accountable, he really needs to look into the prosection of the aquitted and remaining cases. In any case Murtha has to go. I, for one, will check if a Republican is running against him in Nov and if so I will make a donation. Murtha, initally packaged as a “defense expert and a pro-military” congressman is beginning to look like a GI’s worst enemy.
Thank GOD for MICHAEL SAVAGE and his support(MONEY) and efforts to bring help for these Wonderful Marines! Also their lawyers giving their all!!!
Murtha should be sued and taken out of office as a traitor!
Did murtha enlist or was he drafted?
Ed USMC 60-70, I say go for it!!! It would be easy to spread the word with your brothers. Semper Fi!!!
does anyone in their right mind think this dispicable waste of tax payer money will ever say he’s sorry?
Hey javelinites out there, if you are so mentally challenged that you think this is about the Iraq war then you need some wisdom. This is about our military not getting prosecuted for doing its job. We don’t need liberal anti-Americans breathing down our grunts necks making them second guess pulling the trigger.
I my mind all these guys deserve a metal. Thank GOD for our brave Marines.
About time!….. Murtha, about face…in disgrace. “On your Belly!”
P.S. to Fred. God is capitalized.
I’m glad he was aquitted. I do have issues with one thing though…the media and the prosecution keeps pointing out that one of the things he did wrong was have another marine erase pictures of dead bodies. In some of these accounts it says “photographer” and in others it just uses “Marine”. If it was just a “Marine”, telling him/ordering him to delete pictures of dead bodies would have been the right thing to do because it’s considered a violation of policy to have pictures of enemy and civilian dead unless it’s for official purposes. by having the pictures erased he would have been enforcing a standard. Which is what leaders are supposed to do.
I have seen the enemy and they are blogging on this post! How many of you so called Patriots have even spent on day in uniform?
Mark Twain,1905
“Remember this, take it to heart,live by it,die for it if necessary: that our patriotism is medieval,outworn,obsolete: that the modern patriotism,the true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is LOYALTY TO THE NATION ALL THE THE TIME,LOYALTY TO THE GOVERNMENT WHEN IT DESERVES IT.”
From what I’ve read here, there’s a lot of you Sunshine Patriots blogging here that I imagine when “Lil w” leaves office and the country you’ll be trailing along with him, right?
Javelin:
Still can’t stop running your mouth? Don’t start wars unless there is no other option? If I recall we weren’t at war on 9/11 it was the Islamists who attacked us. What’s odd is that this outrages you but terrorists cutting some one’s head off live on the web doesn’t. Keep running your mouth from behind that keyboard.
Fred
Ah the old you didn’t serve point the left loves to make. Well 4 years U.S. Navy. So I guess I can say I support the war O.K.? I’m also curious of how come people who never served can’t support the war but the people who never did can critize it all they want? If you never served then what right do you have to comment on how the war is conducted?
The communists in the democratic party are seeking to destroy America. murtha is part of that. He could never pull anything like that if there wasn’t an established safe haven for un American activity in DC. Our greatest enemies are already here and have been for some time. The worst part is that they believe their own bull sh*t.
I will be suprised if Murtha apologizes. These leftists will never admit that their wrong. They must be opposed at every angle or they will continue to ruin this country.
Where do these men go to get their reputations back, and the year they lost from their lives due to this political chicken-manure hit job from HQMC? The slanderer Murtha shoud be sued, but will the Marine brass publicly apologize? What happened to the “honor” part of the slogan, sirs? The MSM slander is expected – they are cowardly beings who attack those who do what they will not and can not do. Marines are better than that.
I served, USMC, 71-77.
USAF 82-93 Airborne Intelligence: So I suppose I’m qualified to comment too. Funny that none of the same left wing radicals (Javelin and Fred) who are crying about Iraq now were NOT complaining when their Glorious Leader “Kim Bill Clinton-Sung” got us involved in an illegal action in Bosnia during his time in office. And of course thanks to him we supported the Islamic KLF terrorists in that action only to create unrest and turmoil in that region of the world now. A very under-reported story since it was “Bill’s War”. An even greater slap in the face to our proud military was to force them to be subservient to NATO and to wear that piece of filth UN blue beret all thanks to Bubba! Bubba also lied when he said we would only be there less than a year and how long have we been there? None of the left-wing hypocrites had bumper stickers on their cars with “Bill Lied Troops Died” then. Like Murtha, the left loves to support our terrorist enemies whenever possible, like Bill with the KLF. Mutha and the democrats (read Maxists) who have done everything they can to keep us from winning this war should be tried for sedition if not treason. Unfortunately we have more enemies of our Country and Constitution from “within” than from outside of the USA.
clarification to Javelin and Woody; no civilians were killed at the initial IED explosion. The civilians were killed because the insurgents hid behind them, in their houses, knowing that civilized countries avoid civilian casualties, but the libs and propagandists would be able to use situations like this to paint their own version about the war in general. Best example was at the same time there was a similar accusation against US that women and children had been tied up and executed in their home. It was reported as such by media. Of course final results not widely disseminated; house had been destroyed as collateral damage FROM THE AIR — a bomb had been dropped on the house next door. Noone had entered the house at all, and absolutely no evidence pointed to anything other than collateral damage. Story dropped. Why was Haditha different? Ground Troops! So this is clearly a propaganda effort aimed at gullible people and those who already hate America, freedom, and other people doing better than themselves because they work harder, are smarter, or yes, are just plain lucky.
You know, if Time and Murtha’s standard for credibility in “reporting” and “public chastisement” were applied to anyone else, there’d be trials for slander and libel.
Still, I am waiting for the self-styled “real patriot” seditionists to apologise.
Fred and Javelin: No sunshine patriots, here. Actually voluntered for two combat tours in this war, and have the scars to prove it, b***es! My question is this: Why is it that young girls volunteer to go to war when so-called men like yourselves sit at home and pontificate to all of the “great unwashed?” It is a sad state of affairs when women have more balls than the men during wartime. This nation is quickly becoming France! You are so bold to post your “manly” dissent on an anonymous message board! I tremble in your presence….not!
Oh, and I’ll bet Fred and javelin didn’t utter one peep about the loss of life when Clinton was pimping out the armed forces every time a scandal erupted!
“Nystagmus, congenital or acquired…”, US Army Regs, under eyes. So – I CAN’T serve. Does that mean I’m not allowed an opinion unless I’m harassing our troops?
Well, I have one anyway.
Bring our troops home, immediately. Withdraw onto the carriers, at least. We’ll practice some unilateral dis-armament the left is so anxious about… And once the world’s largest glass parking lot is finished, we can surround the remote areas that might have something left alive, and wait.
That way no more of my countrymen come home in bags because of those cowardly (insert racial epithet here).
I work with anyone, but when we started over there, they were all either enemies or potential enemies. We should’ve let our devil dogs free, and picked up the pieces afterwards. Worked great in Germany and Japan – they are the second and third strongest economies in the world. (J = 2, G = 3). Just something about the American ideals, I guess. As opposed to the statist ideals of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Moussolini, and Hirohito…
Javelin should grow up and smell the coffee. Fred seems to make a few too many typos, but at least he’s rational here.
Also remember, better a true enemy than a flase friend.
Notice how all the stories on the IED talk about the one Marine casualty, not the Iraqi innocents killed in the IED explosion. Murtha just dismisses their deaths. They never happened! Why is the media ignores all the murders by Sadam when he was in power, the insurgents, and thugs that kill for religious reason in Iraq? Yet, let the Marines defend themselves, or innocent Iraqis who are being killed, then there is a problem.
This in nothing new for the media. Look at how they portray the bombing of Hiroshima in WWII. Those poor Japanese, killed by the bastard Americans. They ignore the millions killed in Asia by the Japanese Army, the comfort women they raped and tortured. Most killed up close an personal with a bayonet or bullet in the back of the head. No horrible act by an enemy we are fighting ever gets noticed. We always end up the bad guy.
Terrorism comes in many forms but the most deadly and destructive is that which quietly steals up on you from within. “Like a snake in the grass!”
The massive display of outward violence on 911 is nothing when compared to the destruction Washington D.C. Traitors and Terrorists, Senators, Congressmen, Lobbyists, and special interse3t groups alike( If you can call spineless humanoids men) with their Media Terrorist propaganda, have wreaked upon this Nation! These are the REAL Terrorists AND Traitors! And they are within our own ranks!
Was Benedict Arnold Hanged or was he shot? I don’t remember!
Quote to Remember!
“No greater Love hath any man then he give his life for his friends!” Jesus!
War IS War it is NEVER NICE! It is, however, it seems Necessary at times. And those who fight it
Should NEVER be held liable by those who are not fighting it or won’t fight it for that which those who are fighting it have been asked to do, when they do it! Especially by their own countrymen!
And to Javelin, no body likes war! But you have a lot of gonads to criticize others who are doing that which you are too scared to do yourself. If you live for nothing then surely you will die with the same!
Murtha should be on trial for all the defense contracts he has fed to his brother. Im sure that most of the contracts wasnt fed to his brother by him legally or ethicaly. I am a Marine Vet who is ashamed to have to admit that Murtha is a FORMER-MARINE. This once a Marine now turned s*%tbag bad mouths and trys to get our brave Marines jailed. Meanwhile him and his brother profits off them same Marines. These actions shows Murtha for true slim that he is. It also shows what kind of pigs are in his district that will allow him to continue to represent them. The people of Murthas district are just as guilty as he is!
Fred’s service:
USMC:
March’66 – July’69
Parris Island ’66
Camp Lejeune L-3-8-2nd Mar Div,’66
Marine Barracks Gitmo, ’67
H&S 3rd Bn 26th Marines, E Co 3rd Recon Bn,both 3rd Marine Div.’67-’68
Navy Hospital Pensacola until discharge
Medical Retirement for Injuries; 22 July 1969
Rated 100% VA.
I can run my mouth anytime,anywhere about anyone and everyone!
Take that to the Bank, all of you Fair-Weather Patriots, and Limousine Patriots!
I could really care less whether Fred served or not or even if he was a Marine. If Fred wants to compare medals, time served, etc then I probably have him beat, so does my opinion count for more than his now? According to his standard it should. He certainly does run his mouth though! The problem is like most of the Bush haters, he is so blinded by his hatred of conservatives he can’t even see that Murtha and Time Magazine are guilty of sedition if not treason. Then Fred hides behind his service to back up his faulty opinions while accusing others of being “fair-weather patriots”. Typical liberal tactic, when you can’t back up your opinions with facts, start name calling. The Marxist press feeds lies to the public and traitors like Murtha use those lies for his own lust of power. He threw those Marines under the bus for his own political agenda. In my eyes he’s a coward yellow-bellied traitor not worthy of being called a Marine. He is an embarrassment to the Corps and they should disown him as such. BTW, G.W. could have pardoned them all and ended it before it began, but again politics got in the way. Spineless! Thank God each and everyone of them is being acquitted in the Military Justice System. They should all be given the Navy Cross for what they have gone through!
“I probably have him beat”
Now that’s a statement that only could come from a small brained,easily led,follower that couldn’t pour pi*s out of a boot, even if the directions were written on the bottom of the boot!
Chris, do you know what the difference is between real cowboy boots and the faux cowboy boots your Cubmaster Georgie wears?
Give up? Real cowboy boots have sh*t on the outside of them!
Bush is the type of officer that would go to the head of the enlisted man’s chow line, cause he thought he was special!
He’s all yours!
Just couldn’t handle the truth censor?
With people like Murtha representing us how can the military do its job? They want all military men to play nice. Hey, idiot, it’s a war . Let them do what they have to so that they can come home alive!
Is it a coincedence that Murtha was given a position of leadership after his treasonous comments?
Also, Johnnie Boy how’s all the pork you are receiving. Shame on you!
Ed, can former Navy FMF Docs join ya and the Marines? I would gladly stand at attention for that ceremony!!!!! And Jarvin, please get of the message board, you obviously are a demoncrat and you champion the slaughter of thousands of babies a year and call it “pro-choice”. Don’t even think for a minute that I beleive you really care for how these people feel. Just remember, Hitler and his Nazi party killed thousands upon Millions of men, women, children and babies in his quest for a “perfect race”. What makes you any different than them for murdering babies???
As I said….Fred the typical Bush-hater. No facts just a name caller and full of hot air…and oh yes Fred says he was a Marine and that makes it all okay. Maybe you and your former Marine buddy John Murtha can hang out together and share political ideas. Anymore of your fellow Marines you care to throw under the bus Fred? Time Magazine has an opening for a traitorous journalist, have you applied yet? Maybe Murtha could put in a good word for you! Never ever let the truth get in the way of name calling Fred you just might learn something. Gotta admit you are definitely showing your brain power Fred and embarrassing your fellow Marines at the same time.
I believe John Murtha should be made to publicly apologize IN PERSON to all of the Marines. As far as “Javelin” is concerned I find your wishes of harm to me and my family quite disturbing. Having served in the Active Army for 21 years, I find solace in the fact that you have the right to say what you say.
It does however show the whacked out far left for what they really are.
John Murtha has no honor.
Are you all actually suprised? Members in Congress who have been there for decades and reelected over again. Wait until the Republicans dont have the White House and one of them says something this stupid. When will you all wake up and get rid of them. Remember what Michael Savage said… Ultimate power corrupt ultimately.
Fred
You really like using that Sunshine Patriot term. Thomas Paine used that term when when the American Revolution was at it’s low point and it seemed we might lose. In fact here’s the whole qoute:
These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Now who do the Sunshine Patriots sound like? Could it be the ani-war left who shuns any service and who can’t stick it out when things get tough? Actually Sunshine Patriots are the most patriotic part of the left, most of whom are stuck in stuck in a hate America mode for the last 40 years.
I just got back from Iraq thank you very much.
Fred = Little hippy who was drafted during a heroin party and got picked on and pushed around by all the others in his company and had to shoot himself in the foot so he could go home to mama.
Murtha will not apologize, you would have to have morals and ethics in which he has none. Murtha is a corrupt pile of dung. The only justice that is suitable would be the same Karma justice the Edward Kennedy has in his big fat head.
Chris, right on. The lefties whine about how this war is playing out, but are silent about what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo, the worst thing this country has ever done. Clinton sent in the US Army, kicked out the Serbian army then set up barricades to keep the Serbian army from getting back into the towns. The KLF then were able to massacre the Serbs unfettered. They burned down churches, raped the women from what I understand horrible atrocities while the US stood around watching to make sure the Serbian army did not go in to stop the violence. My reserve unit was there, i did not go on that deployment, but a young guy in my unit came back and told me that he thought that albanians were the worst people in the world after he saw a few burn down an elderly woman’s house while she sat across the street and screamed. The lefties then cheered the bombing of Serbia, all that that country did was try to stop the violence against the Serbs from the KLF. The official UN reports were that the war “atrocities” supposedly committed by the Serbs were not factual. The lefties on this site doesn’t know about any of this because CNN and MSNBC didn’t tell them, or spun the reports to make Clinton’s war look heroic.
Speedbow 20,
Thank-you for your service and sacrifice for the country!
Good luck in trying to receive any help for whatever ails you now,or in the future! Right now your use is for window dressing to help pump up Gunga Din Bush and his puppeteers ego’s, and their campaign war chests!
Here’s my question:
Why hasn’t the most powerful land, air and sea military in history the one you serve or served in caught Bin Laden after 6 years? Don’t use Clinton as part of your answer, this 2008 not 1998!
where is that fat blowhard murtha now? fresh out of hot air!
Fred
Why hasn’t the most powerful land, air and sea military in history the one you serve or served in caught Bin Laden after 6 years? Don’t use Clinton as part of your answer, this 2008 not 1998!
So it doesn’t matter to you that we’ve caught many of Osama’s top guys. Does it matter that Bin Laden is one man hiding in vast cave filled no man’s land? How very left of you to not want to use Clinton. Becasue that would bring up that he had several chances to deal with Bin Laden but was to worried what the “international community” might think. That worked out well. Oh and that Clinton ordered a bombing of Iraq called Operation Desert Fox, strange how no no one brings that up. In fact here’s the new bumper sticker I’m putting on my car, since it seems that the left only thinks in things that can fit on a bumper sticker.
If Clinton had done his job only Osama would have died. Nice ring too it.
MURTHA is a blowhard idiot and should be in jail.
Steve,
You’re about one thing, we’ve caught how many No.2 men while the big dog is still “foot loose and home free!”
Bush’s recruiting of terrorists has never been better, great for Bin Laden,since “Mission Accomplished! How long ago was that?
No matter what is said it’s always Clinton’s fault,BS that’s the kind of false bravado one hears on a kindergarten playground, blame the bogey man!
Here’s a video for you and your right-wing crybabies to watch, me sure you watch all 3 minutes of it, and then give me your response! Alsoyou can point out what the MP said was wrong! He sure ending up owning Senator Coleman!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk&feature=related
i
My previous comment has…disappeared (subject to editing I guess) so I will summarize the following:
1) Congratulations to the Marine, and to his family, and I hope that they realize that there are millions of American Citizens who are sickened about what he (and his family) was put through. Also that we hope, and pray, that he can focus on rebuilding his life knowing that nothing will ever “remove” the pain/drama/delays that he has (sadly) endured.
2) MURTHA is a spineless COWARD who used this “account” for political purposes. If anyone in the United States Military is proven to have done something “wrong” then…so be it and make it public. However, for a “sitting US Senator” to condemn active Military Servicemen (who are risking their lives for all of us) before any/all of the facts are “in” AND then after the facts are “in” to remain “silent” is…PATHETIC. If MURTHA, and his mindless minions, don’t believe in the “value” of personal attacks against one’s “name and reputation” then put a microphone/camera in front of me and let me go on CNN/cable/network TV and accuse him of “wrongdoing” and see what happens.
Nuff said.
NOSTRADAMUSLIVES
AMEN, HALLEJUAH for Marine HERO Andrew Grayson (and to his family for supporting him).
On another “note” may MURTHA have someone do to MURTHA what MURTHA did to HERO Andrew Grayson (and to his family). In essence here’s hoping that MURTHA gets some (well deserved) KARMA (and not the song affiliated with Culture Club).
Nuff said.
NOSTRADAMUSLIVES!
Remember Rome?? It wasn’t Conquered it fell from within then the Wolves devoured it.
Fred
You mean like how the left blame’s Bush for everything? Again remember when Clinton was pushing regime change in Iraq. Really your gonna have to do better then show a video of George Galloway, Saddam’s number one apologist and who happened to be be taking kick backs from Saddam. Yeah he showed us. Really Fred if that’s the best you can do other then sneer then it’s game over. Oh and by the way you never did tell how you felt when Clinton ordered the bombing of Iraq, Operation Desert Fox, bet you were supporting that one. One other question how does the Kool Aid taste?
Bush Apologists,here’s some simple questions,see if you can answer them using just one word answers or numbers! Here’s a hint, Clinton is not a correct answer to any of them!
Who is the present day president?
How many days did it take to win World War 2?
How many days since Sept,11,2001?
Who sold Saddam WMD’s?
How much was a barrel of oil on Jan 20,2001?
How much is it today?
After Jan 20,2009 how are you going to be able live with yourselves hearing this 24/7, “Well Bush did it!”
Patriot:
“The person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.” Mark Twain
Javelin, Pull your head out…Get yourself a hair cut, shave, and get rid of the earring you simple jackass. These people are trying to kill us and destroy everything we have created. And if they do, your kind will be the first to have your head removed. Wise up. God Bless.
Not only is Murtha a disgrace and a rotten apple, but he is not a rotten apple in a barrel of good apples. The whole barrel is rotten to the core and its our obligation, as commanded by Thomas Jefferson, to discard this rotten apple barrel.
Voting will only get us more of the same from either party.
Evidently a woman cannot say what she truly feels on this commentary.. my first comment, censored..
As I stated, Murtha is a RAT. He is NOT a Marine, he is an X Marine, and he hung this young man out to dry, he may as well have left this young man out on a battlefield to die. I also stated that he is a SOB, well he IS. Others have stated that they wish Karma on him, I stated that I WISH his gut filled with worms, whats the difference? What he did is DESPICIBLE.
Let a leftist come on and say what they please, and let not a Patriot say what she pleases?
To the young man vindicated: You will certainly go to heaven, because you served your time in Hell. I sure hope that God can forgive Murtha, because I could not.
I also agree that we NEED to get RID of the WHOLE bunch of Apples. ASAP.
“The person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.” Mark Twain
Actually Fred that describes you prefectly.
Here’s another one for you
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself
John Stuart Mill
Murtha is a dirt bag politician who has been responsible for questionable pork barrel expenditures all the while he served in congress. So, he claims to be a Marine…..he is a disgrace for his actions and comments.
I have written several times to pres. Bush requesting that he pardon Marine Sgt Lawrence Hutchems who is presently serving over ten years for killing terrorist Iraqiis. I have not received an answer. I hope he issures the pardon before he leaves office. I also wrote presidential candidate McCain.
Chesty Puller must be spinning in his grave for the disgraceful actions of his government to the United States Marine Corp.
Steve ,
You never answered any of my questions! What’s wrong, are they too hard, or will a truthful answer just embarrass you to no end?
George,
I’m sure Bush will read your letter right along with his PDB tomorrow, and then jump right on your request,cause you’re just the type of guy he’d want to have a beer with!
Fred
Is there any logic to any of those questions? You seem to be randomly trying to prove something. Oh yeah Bush is bad. Clinton bombed Iraq and got us into a long term presence in the Balkans but I guess cause it isn’t Bush your fine with it. I guess all you can do is make some stupid remark about what kind of guy I am since that’s all you seem to do. I guess that Kool Aid does make you crazy.
Murtha should be expelled?? He should be Hung by the neck!!! He knew those boy’s were innocent.
Steve ,
Don’t you have anyone around right now to read you the questions I asked, then type the answers up for you?
Fred
Nah I think I’ll do what you do. Just ignore the questions like you keep ignoring the ones I keep asking you. Oh another personal attack. Actually Fred I should thank you. You’ve confirmed what a bunch loud mouth fools the anti-war left is. Of course I’ll be waiting for your next witless insult.
Steve,
After you’ve finished looking at the Sunday morning comics,here’s a article for your day-handler to read to you.These are the answers to any questions that have been asked me!
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/
I’m proud to be anti-war!
Steve,
Pay close attention to the date Aug 14,1992! Weren’t you still in pampers then?
We come into this world having to wear pampers and thoae that survive long enough go out the same way.
No body is pro war. At least not anyone who is in one.
If you dweebs fight the islime half as hard as you fight with each other, we can’t lose. Unless you stay hell bent on taking each other out. Then we can’t win.
murtha is an ass. The people who elected him are morons. Natural selection should not be toyed with by man kind.
I’m surprised that some people still support bush when as commander in chief HE could have PARDONED these men and put a STOP to this nonsense right from the start. Supporting the war and supporting the troops does not mean one has to support bush. He has shown nothing but cowardice. He’s afraid of the media, he’s afraid of “world opinion”, and he’s afraid of his political opposition. Looking back in history one will see that all of those entities were dealt with very severly by previous presidents during wartime. Insead of doing what was right, what a man would do, he threw our truly noble men under the bus. Instead of fighting to win this war he was more afraid of what the enemy would think. Our men had to die instead of carpet bombing Fallujah. Our men had to die instead of attacking mosques used as refuge by al-qaeda, our men have to hesitate in a firefight and die because he’s letting the lawyers, politicians and media second guess them. Bush throws men into battle and then lets our internal enemies hit them from behind as they face the enemy fire. A real commander in chief does not do this. He can have all the conversations with god he wants, all the “oprah” moments with purple fingererd Iraqis hugging the parents of slain US soldiers, all the terful crying sob sessions he wants. None of this fools me, nor god, nor himself. He has betrayed these men and the armed forces as a whole. He may be a republican but he does not redefine for me wahat a conservative is. By my definition he is a cowardly, sniveling liberal who at his core is nothing but a man completley conquered and feminized by his wife.
I’m surprised that some people still support bush when as commander in chief HE could have PARDONED these men and put a STOP to this nonsense right from the start. Supporting the war and supporting the troops does not mean one has to support bush. He has shown nothing but cowardice. He’s afraid of the media, he’s afraid of “world opinion”, and he’s afraid of his political opposition. . Instead of fighting to win this war he was more afraid of what the enemy would think. Our men had to die instead of carpet bombing Fallujah. Our men had to die instead of attacking mosques used as refuge by al-qaeda, our men have to hesitate in a firefight and die because he’s letting the lawyers, politicians and media second guess them. Bush throws men into battle and then lets our internal enemies hit them from behind as they face the enemy fire. A real commander in chief does not do this.
Bush could have PARDONED these men and put a STOP to this nonsense right from the start. Supporting the war and supporting the troops does not mean one has to support bush. He has shown nothing but cowardice. He’s afraid of the media, he’s afraid of “world opinion”, and he’s afraid of his political opposition. . Instead of fighting to win this war he was more afraid of what the enemy would think. Our men had to die instead of carpet bombing Fallujah. Our men had to die instead of attacking mosques used as refuge by al-qaeda, our men have to hesitate in a firefight and die because he’s letting the lawyers, politicians and media second guess them. Bush throws men into battle and then lets our internal enemies hit them from behind as they face the enemy fire. A real commander in chief does not do this.
In closing,all I have to say is:
I thank God everyday that he sent us his second Son,Lil w(who sits on Gods left side) a President with intelligence. He is also the 1st President with a Masters in Business! A President with a background in the military,forged in war,by protecting the Tex-Mex border from Viet-Cong bombing raids, and the good and common sense of a down to earth Texan Cowboy,all without ever riding or owning a horse!
I don’t see how anyone will ever be able to live up to the type of leadership he has shown our wonderful Country in the past 7 1/2 years, in such trying times!
On the plus side, we still have 7 more months of his rock-steady leadership to be blessed with!
What about holding up the start of the Battle for Fulajah for a week, so the body count wouldn’t interfere with the voting on Nov 4, 2004.
Yes the battle was supposed to have started Nov 1,2004. The Marines sat outside the city ready to go in for days, but it was more important for Bush to be re-elected, than marine lives! Him and Rove didn’t want the body counts that they knew would be high to play into election-day voting Nov 4!
That’s the type of CIC Bush is!
Hey all you keyboard warmongers, I am not a whaacked out liberal, but you pigs want war so much, I pray a counterstrike burns you and your house into cinders. It seems you warmongers are as souless as you are brainless. What is the current excuse for Iraq: “You were so concerned about those poor Iraqis that you wanted them freed and have democracy bestowed on them”?
By the way, you fascistic retards, the Navy JAG filed charges, which is part of the DoD and that is an Executive Branch agency. So blame the president and the Secretray of Defense for those charges. Instead you rail at Murhta and Kerry, Senators, like a bunch of brutish cretins.
By the way, even in WW ll, soldiers were prosecuted for crimes like that, though they were usually kept secret. Maybe this is why we should avoid war except when there is no other alternative. But I guess, according to some kbd rtds here, that is too whacked out for them.
Fred
Again I’ll type slowley so maybe you’ll understand. Quoting other lefty anti-war/hate Bush people to support you does not prove anything. O.K. standing by for your standard reply, witless insult and patting yourself on back on how very clever you are.
Javelin
Ah the usual from you too. Some screeching and the usual hope that we all die. Well you are my favorite cyber tough guy. You and Fred that best the hate America crowd can put up then you should hang up your keyboards.
Steve,
I haven’t quoted anyone since 4:29 yesterday, and you haven’t answered one of my questions!
Since most of you all want to hang Rep Murtha could we also hang Ollie North?
Lets take a look at Ollie: He traded with the enemy, lied about it under oath, was tried and convicted, BUT! got off on a technicality!
A technicality that I doubt anyone posting here even knows what it was!
Never claimed to be clever Steve, smarter yes!
Fred
Lying under oath you mean like Bill Clinton, the man who needs to define “is”. Also Fred people who have to tell you there smart rarely are.
Since you like questions. How many Terrorist attack since 9/11 under Bush? How many under Clinton.
Standing by for witless insult from the guy who thinks he’s so smart.
Hillary has more balls than Murtha and Osabama combined.
“Democratic Rep. John Murtha stated that “there was no firefight, there was no IED that killed these innocent people.
Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.”
Barack Obama, asked about Murtha’s charge by Alan Colmes in June of 2006, stated, “I would never second guess John Murtha… I think he’s somebody who knows of which he speaks.”
Murtha’s “in cold blood” statement and the Democratic Presidential nominee’s”
al la Kerry
Steve,
Here’s a article you can discuss with your pals at the day-care center:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/09/germany-sounds-off-on-bush/
Lets say you get your utopia, Who`s going to watch the gates?
Fred
Ah you are dependable, your witless insult arrived on schedule.
Oh and look more “proof” to support your argument from people who “think” just like you. Wow.
Here’s something for you to do when your not to be busy telling everyone how smart you are.
Check out Hilary Clinton’s speechs endorsing the Iraq War. Before things get a little tough and then she changed her mind. Gee what’s the phrase for that..oh yeah..Sunshine Patriot.
Standing by for normal procedure. Ignore anything I brought up and fire off witless insult because that’s all you’ve got.
Steve,
Give Fred a break, cant you tell he`s scared s***less?
Can`t think clearly.
Ray Z
Of course he is. But frankly I’m sick and tired of Fred and the rest of the left running their mouths for the past 8 years. Fred is a classic example of the left he shows up and insults everyone right off the bat then quotes from other leftist to support his arguement and of course he is prime example of another lefty trait, they think they’re smarter and better then everyone else. Which is why the picked the one guy who has the best chance of losing. Besides I playing whack a troll it is fun.
Steve,
While you and your clown posse sit around like a bunch of silly 7th grade girls trying to come up with something cute to post,take 5 and watch this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U
Fred
I know it’s hard to believe but your witless insults are actually becoming more witless. Oh and I see you never answered about Hilary. Just more stupid clips from fellow Kool Aid drinkers. Here’s another question for you to ignore how come St. Obama won’t even visit Iraq?
Counting down to witless insult and more drivel in 3-2-1
Steve,
Was Senator Clinton the “ONLY” Senator to vote yes? I don’t believe so,so what’s your point?
Just in case you haven’t heard, Senator Clinton isn’t running for any office as of this past week-end!
It’s got to be rough on you and the remaining 23-25%ers as more and more revelations come out about this crooked,lying,self-idolizing administration,but like Leonard Cohen says:
“EVERYBODY KNOWS”
“EVERYBODY KNOWS”
No she wasnt and thats my point her and other Democrats voted yes and even defended their votes until things hit a rough patch and then all those sunshine patriots (the correct use of the phrase) turned on the war now that the surge has worked some are actually trying to take credit for it. As I said under Clinton we were attacked no less then three times, one on a U.S. Navy warhip, an act of war but what do Clinton do? Nothing and what did get that us 9/11. Something you and your all knowing lefty friends never seem to mention because like Clinton’s support for regime change in Iraq and his bombing of it for having WMD that would ruin your blame Bush for everything. Speaking of running for Office, again why won’t the most holy one Obama visit Iraq, I mean if everyone knows then he should have no problem right? Or is like most lefties he might be confronted by facts he doesn’t want to acknowledge and you Kool Aid drinkers don’t handle that very well.
Tell me this Steve-O, What exactly is Sen Obama going to accomplish if he returns to Iraq?
You are aware he’s already been there for the
“Dog and Pony Show” taken a helicopter ride or two, maybe even bought a $2.00 rug from the marketplace, with 1000′s troops/tanks and attack choppers guarding the way!!
Speaking of the bombing of the USS Cole, you’d still be whining & crying if Clinton had attacked anyone, a few weeks before the 2000 election! The whining and crying from the right a few weeks before the elections would have drowned this country in billions of gallons of crocodile tears had Clinton down anything! You’d been shouting “Clinton’s trying to influence the Election, oh my God!”
The question that you should be asking yourself is: Why didn’t Bush do “ANYTHING” after he entered office? You got any answers why Bush didn’t follow up? I do,he was to busy clearing brush on his dude ranch!
As Leonard Cohen says: “EVERYBODY KNOWS!” but the 25-22%ers,like yourself!
Grow-up Stevie,it’s over! Now the grown-ups will come behind Bush(just like every other single time in his wretched life) and try and clean up after him!
Poor Stevie,
Fell off his hobby horse,left squalling on the floor like a little 8 year old,with nothing to say!
Hey Stevie; “EVERYBODY KNOWS,EVERYBODY!”
Fred
What’s a matter Freddy miss me? No Freddy unlike I supported Clinton’s even half hearted efforts though it was too little and of course he didn’t want to offend the international community you the one that can’t do anything without us. Ah give St. Obama the pass on Iraq gee what’s gonna do? But I’d bet you scream if Bush hadn’t because it’s all his fault. I saw you like saying the the stats, get those from your other Kool Aid drinkers you try to pass off as facts? Again waiting for you witless insult
EVERYBODY KNOWS,EVERYBODY!”
Well at least your a well trained lefty America hating parrot. Say it a few more times Freddy boy and even you might believe it
Looks like the murderous cunts in the marine corp got away with it! I hope hell is very hot! SEMPER FI !!!