MN Democrats Abandon ‘National Conversation’ on Guns — Literally
The Ruger 10/22 rifle pictured below — possibly the single most popular rimfire rifle in the United States for hunters, plinkers, and target shooters — would be fine to own under the proposed legislation:
- Factory standard Ruger 10/22
But if one were to remove the wood stock and replace it with one made of black plastic, as done below, it would be banned as an “assault weapon”:
- Top: the same basic Ruger 10/22 from above has had its wood stock removed and then placed into Archangel plastic stock furniture for the 10/22, with a plastic replica of a military M7 bayonet. This is now an “assault weapon.” Bottom: the plastic Archangel furniture, sans actual Ruger 10/22.
Taking that same common Ruger 10/22 and putting it into this Tapco stock …
- Tapco Intrafuse stock for the Ruger 10/22
… also would qualify the plinking/hunting/target rifle as an “assualt weapon” according to Democratic gun-control advocates at the state and national level.
The barrel is unchanged. The trigger and action are the same. The firearm’s cartridges are the same. The gun shoots no faster. It doesn’t shoot with more power. The only real base enhancement offered by these aftermarket stocks is that they are adjustable, so that they can be lengthened or shortened by a few inches so that people of varying proportions can shoot comfortably.
Do Democrats simply wish to disarm unusually short or tall people? Will this save lives?
The 10/22 is just one example of hundreds that the firearms experts in Minnesota could have chosen to present to the shameless DFL legislators: the M1A .308 rifle (the most popular centerfire rifle sold in the United States), the AR-15, or various other shotguns, handguns, and rifles could have been utilized to make the exact same case.
A rational person should question the competence of these legislators and their commitment to reason, but they don’t seem to be available for discussion.
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Democrat debate: Nyah, nyah, I’m not listening. Spoiled brats who yearn to be the tyranny we refused from King George III and want to take our guns for the same reason he did: Those annoying peasants shouldn’t be armed!
National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act became of 1986 are un-Constitutional. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was that the government would not have a monopoly on power thus promoting liberty and freedom.
Many liberals and leftists are complaining about a “culture of violence”. I laid out their arguments here: http://clarespark.com/2013/02/14/is-there-a-culture-of-violence/.
I expect that you’d find that none of the Democrats mentioned own firearms of any kind, and are completely ignorant to boot about firearms except for what they happen to see on TV. We could probably collect up an equal number of pre-school children whose knowledge would be comparable to these legislators.
Not necessarily. Consider the front runner for an open congressional seat in Illinois, who opposes allowing Chicago residents to get concealed weapons permits, who tried to bring a .25 caliber Beretta onto an airplane. Or columnist Carl Rowan, who supported TOTAL gun bans, and shot a teenaged skinny-dipper in his swimming pool.
The DemoRat motto is: Gun bans are for Thee, but not for Me.
They don’t care; a gun is a gun, you shouldn’t have it and they can.
But “those annoying peasants” are We The People. As such, we are armed, if we wish to be, and have every RIGHT to so remain or become, if that suits us. We ALSO have the right to DEMAND of the remaining representatives (who did not walk out) to pass a RESOLUTION DISALLOWING THE VOTES ON ANY PERTINENT BILLS by those Reps who walked out on the expert testimony, which it was their duty and job to hear and duely consider!
Moreover, these Reps blatantly disrespected their constituents, who are in fact their bosses funding their paychecks, and should be removed from office for refusing to do their jobs. –Next election, or recalls?– MN voters HAVE a choice. (Such behavior would be intolerable anywhere else, typically leading to termination by the end of the day!)
Contituents = annoying peasants for this bunch.
Guess the mask is off; they just want to overturn the second amendment. No discussion………they are right; YOU peasants are wrong…we know what’s best………when are the ‘fools’ gonna stoping voting for ANY Democrat??…oh, sorry, answered my own question…….they are ‘fools’…..
I deal with these idiots all the time. They refuse to listen, to reason, frankly to use their brains at all. Not because they don’t understand, but because they refuse to grasp reality. It took an incident where I almost had to use deadly force on my neighbor before my (until that night) rabidly anti gun step father woke up. The neighbors daughter ran to our house for help when her dad was beating her. He tried to kick in our front door and I stood between the door and my family. Sometimes that’s what it takes to get an honest assessment of what the true value of owning a firearm means.
If he got through that door and I not been there, I know my step father wouldn’t stop him.
If you get an honest debate, where everything is on the table. They never win…ever.
Thinking and using logic is “racist” and must be squashed, comrade!
When did liberals want an honest dialogue about anything? Welfare payments do nothing to cure poverty; they just create an underclass of government dependents (that vote Democrat to keep their own dependence). Minimum wage laws create unemployment; the statistics show that, whenever the minimum wage is raised, the rate of unemployment of teenaged and other low skilled workers goes up sharply. Trying to make Medicare sustainable is stealing benefits from the elderly. Etc.
Gun control does not lower violence or prevent killing, but it addresses the two goals of Obama and other liberals: (1) grow government and (2) diminish individual rights and responsibilities. Therefore, why listen to the facts – they simply don’t matter.
They want the appearance of debate then to impose their will anyway so they don’t look like the fascists they are. (Delphi technique is all about that– get input on your predetermined conclusion so people feel they have “buy-in” and go along with it– which is why left/liberal “facilitators” love using it. Same ol’ stuff.)
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My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the facts.
I personally believe that any “legislator” who engages in such behavior (which seems to be a Democratic “progressive” trademark- remember the Wisconsin public-employee union collective bargaining circus?) should be required to recuse themselves from voting on the issue the refuse to listen to the facts about.
Better yet, they should be impeached and removed from office for violating the public trust. And barred from ever running for, or holding, elected office, or even working in an appointed or hired capacity in government, for life.
But that’s just me.
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Liberals feel everyone else is an ignorant dofus fit only to be ruled by them.
Here in Colorado, the Democrats have the governorship and both houses of the legislature. They are voting in lockstep to destroy the 2nd Amendment. My Sheriff was part of the delegation of the County Sheriffs Association who went to testify Tuesday on the gun bills. I talked to him as soon as he came home that night. We have 64 Counties in Colorado. There are 63 Sheriffs [Denver is both a city and a county and the appointed Manager of Safety is not the Sheriff, but does his duties.] in the state. All 63 are dead set against the gun restrictions they are passing. The Democrats, having the majority on the House Judiciary Committee, ruled that they did not want to hear the testimony of the Sheriffs Association. At all. The Association of Chiefs of Police of Colorado has an organizational stand favoring ALL gun control bills, even though the majority of its members are hard core against them [there are some really furious Chiefs of Police, especially on the West Slope]. The Democrats took the testimony of the executives of the Chiefs Assn.
All the votes are coming down purely on party lines. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BLUE-DOG OR A MODERATE DEMOCRAT. THEY ALL VOTE TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Even those from the rural areas where gun rights are sacred are working to disarm everybody. It is like they do not expect ever to have to face voters again.
Expect this in all states.
And by the way, the number of felons in this country is going to be horrendous. You can bet that the only ones they are going to look for are those who are citizens or are here legally.
Subotai Bahadur
MN is a politically correct cesspool. The YWCA, and community colleges and universities of all types financially sponsor racist conferences like the annual White Privilege Conference, a thing you have to read to believe. Visit their stupid website.
Those same entities also sponsored the white privilege billboard campaign in Duluth not long ago.
Duluth itself built a statue to 3 black men lynched there in 1920. Total lynchings in MN 1882-1968 according to the Tuskegee Institute? 5 white, 4 black.
The MPLS YWCA has this at the top of their website: “Elimination racism, empowering women.”
You don’t really have to explore the site much to understand who the Y thinks the racists are. Me.
YWCA? Do you mean the Young Women’s CHRISTIAN Association? It’s a CHRISTIAN association? In 2013! You can’t be serious! Certainly a name change is in order. I’ll bet it was founded by white people! Sounds racist and backward to me. Surely there is a commission that will look into this. Let us hope so. How could any correct thinking Progressive have anything to do with such a throwback organization? Let’s get all the soccer moms to pull their kids away from such an organization. I mean….what’s next? A Young MEN’S CHRISTIAN Association? A Christian association for MEN? I would expect this sort of thing in Alabama. But in Progressive Minnesota? I feel faint.
Well, ABC used to be American Broadcast Corp.
They don’t want a “discussion”, they want to dictate to the rest of us what we are permitted to do “for our own good.” Since we’re obviously not competent enough to decide for ourselves…gun control is only a short step away from confiscation. After all, in NY recently, the state legislature very nearly took that leap.
Democrats seem hell bent on pushing through confiscation laws. I suspect that the first state that does so (my bet would be CA, NY, MA, IL or NJ) would set off the 2nd American Civil War…
Demo-rats are trying to do push a confiscation bill through in MO right now…
Republicans have supermajorities in the legislature so we’re not too worried about that bill coming from a bad part of St. Louis.
Would probably be too much even for our previously NRA F rated, now C rated Democratic governor; he’s term limited but if he has any further statewide political aspirations….
The beauty of it in these blue states is that they are driving out tax paying, hard working and law abiding citizens. Fine with me. These good people can move to our red states and enjoy freedom and prosperity. It is also going to be a great weapon to use against dems up for election in red states.
The problem with people moving form blue states to red states is that they bring their job killing, nanny state politics with them…they have already seriously altered Colorado, a once reliably red state. They are already beginning to alter Texas, though that one will take a while longer to feel the effects.
These people don’t change their politics, they bring them with them. look at Florida…it was once one of the most conservative states in the country, but witth the mass movement of retiring northern Liberals, politics has been seriously unbalanced in the southern portion of the state.
You can expect over the next 5-10 years, as these people move away from job killing, freedom hating states that they will utterly change those red states they are moving to. After all, a leopard can’t change it spots, and Liberals must “help” you for your own good, even when they are fleeing the effects of their own policies.
The people fleeing the “blue” states for places like CO, TX, etc. are like locusts. They leave a state where the policies they supported have killed the economy and bankrupted the state. The problem is that they never learn and support the same policies/politics in their new state eventually leaving it a high tax, bankrupt, economic wasteland too.
Hey guys, remember the context of my comments is on the gun issue and liberals don’t like guns. I also said hard working folks. Liberals want freebees.
I liken Liberals to hoards of locusts- they come to a nice place, ruin it, and then move on to the next place.
Brian,
Damn! You beat me to “plague of locusts” by 3 mins! lol
It’s not just about Democrats fleeing states that their policies have destroyed…and then wanting to implement the exact same policies in their new home states (Can anyone say “plague of locusts”?). Liberals never analyze their mistakes, they just look for fresh ground to repeat the process.
But this is the same process that our federal government encourages with our immigration policies (or lack thereof). The government encourages new immigrants to flee their ass-backwards nations and come to the land of opportunity. Once here they go about protesting that they can’t live here with the same rules that made their home countries ass-backwards in the first place.
And of course the smart libs in charge think that’s embracing multi-culturalism or some other such gobblety-gook and give it their blessing. If you protest the ruination of your neighborhood…well, you’re a racist.
For us here in Virginia it’s Marylanders that are killing us! Those people are taxed to death and move down here in droves – bringing their voting patterns with them. sigh………..
Sir, I might move to Texas when I retire in 6 or 7 years. I live in NYS. I’m a registered conservative, life NRA member. I love steak. Do you consider it nanny state liberal that I think bars should be open till 4 like they are here?
Do you consider it nanny state liberalism that I think pornography should be legal? Do you consider it nanny state liberalism that I think marijuana should be legal?
Maybe it’s not that y’all are so free. I don’t know. I cannot judge you because I have never lived anywhere except here, NYS, the place where the NRA was founded. The place where Judge Scalia was raised. The place where Humphrey Bogart warned the Nazis not to try to invade. I WILL NEVER register any long gun. And as far as I know, no one else will.
Don’t confuse us with one another. Yes, NY is full of rotten commie scum. I know. I see them every day. It’s also full of God fearing, hard working Americans. Believe me, the commie scum don’t want to retire to Texas. We libertarians might, if it suits us. It’s nice living here and having municipal garbage collection twice a week, and 20 bars within a ten minute walk of my house. But I pay a hair over $11,000 in property tax for a 1/4 acre lot. Just today, I had every guy in the hardware store agreeing with me that the new gun law here is totally stupid. Every one. The problem is not freedom loving New Yorkers. The problem is the massive amount of ignorant lock step Democrats in the City. None of them will go to Tx. They’re afraid of being killed there. I’ve told them, “This is not 1965.” So they’ll stay and breathe in the soot and I may move southwest. Get ready.
in liberty
Part of the presumption of superior knowledge in a technocratic ruling class that happens to be liberal is that it will actually listen to the facts. This is a dent in that presumption.
When it comes to guns the Democrats are the new KnowNothings
I have long since learned not to expect anything better from Democrats.
They hate guns… that they can’t control and turn on their enemies.
The Dems are all about science, statistics and facts until it does not fit their narrative. When the facts, statistics and science disagree with them they go into an emotional diatribe(childish tantrum). In essence, they act like an adult baby that needs their little hiney spanked. These are the people running our country. I think they are going to lose this little hissy fit over gun control. They sure picked a poor one to waste their credibility on.
Leftist liberal political gameplan: “If you cannot persuade them with your brilliant oration lacking any reliable facts, then baffle them with your BS and over inflated emotional outbursts.”
In the ’80s, it was called “Enhancing your weak-*ss argument with b*tchin’ graphics!” which is what they did then.
Liberals are in arrested development (or feminized, to start a ruckus). There is no logic or objective reason. It all revolves around how it affects them at the moment. They are champions of rationalization. So one day they can call a fetus a lump of flesh and the next day it’s a baby when a friend has a miscarriage. A pedophile is the horriblest of humans, unless he’s a favorite pop star. No punishment is too great for drunk driving, unless it’s me or my family. Cities need homeless shelters, but not in my neighborhood. Crooks should lose their elected office, unless it’s a Democrat.
How in the world could anyone makes reasonable laws with such subjectivism? You can’t. That’s why progressivism always mutates into some form of totalitarianism. There’e nothing to stop the pendulum from swinging out of control when laws become arbitrary and everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon so that they don’t become the scapegoat.
At testimony on Thursday evening, Feb 9th, one man recounted this, (not verbatim, sorry): ‘I was in Colorado when the Aurora shooting occurred. Some of the reporting was on TV. My 12 year old son watched for a minute or so, and then said, (now verbatim), “Dad, is this real?” “Yes” his father said. “Why didn’t anyone shoot back?” “It was a gun free zone”.
If anyone here emails the above “folks”, may I suggest not invective or cant, but respectful scorn, and ironic contempt. (Remember, these people are our superiors, and mostly immune to facts different from those they already believe.)
Left/libtards deny the common sense resident in most children.
So, who pulled the video from YouTube and why?
I wanted to see this for myself, so I went over to YouTube and did a search. Judging by the date, this appears to be the official MN House video of the same hearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7pTX_kDEg
Mr. Doar is recognized by the Chair at about 1:26:40. After he ends his testimony (which is well done, I might add), there is a long shot of the Committee table at 1:33:02. Where are the empty chairs left behind by the Democrats who walked out? Has the video been edited to make it look like they were still present? Or is this video from a different hearing?
Looks like the right video. After the testimony I see at least two empty seats on the right side of the table and perhaps more on the left, but the cameras block a clear view.
Thanks for the kind words… It started out a little rough, my testimony was stretched from 3 mins to 10 mins, thanks to the proponents eating up over an hour, and the chair dropping a bill.
Every camera in the capitol came to photograph the “machine gun at the capitol” as one reported named it.
My mind was flooded with the universal safety rules, and screaming at me, “Don’t you dare get a picture with your finger on the trigger”…
After I found my rythym, and finished Chair Paymar recognized that he knew little about guns, and asked Jim Cleary (a friend) from House Research to put together a brief on my testimony.
They have no idea what they are doing. Rep. Hausman couldn’t even be bothered to stick around to hear any of the testimony.
I offered to do the presentation again for her… her office declined.
They could’ve stayed and pretended to listen, and later done whatever the heck they wanted. Now everybody knows they have closed minds. And that’s a good thing.
Brave, oh brave Democrats, brave Democrats ran away!
When facts and experts reared their heads
They bravely turned their tails and fled
Bravest of the brave, the Democrats!
You actually expect to ever have a logical discussion about this? Their preconceived opinions are unchangeable precisely because they formed them in an information vacuum. You can’t reason out what wasn’t reasoned in.
These Dems have joined in the nationwide assault on American values and are part and parcel of the administration’s goal of overwhelming the sytem and causing as much chaos and fear as possible; so that our confidence in the capitalist system and representative republic can be portrayed as dysfunctional. Once accepted azs dysfunctional; then the commie government model can be installed and all will be well in the utopian world. As crazy as it may sound; try measuring all the antics (methods) of the left and see if they doesn’t fit in perfectly with what I just said. These MN Dems are rabid leftist morons that hate our Republic.
They left because truth to a Democrat is like garlic to vampires: they are repelled by its presence. The Democrats totally need both lies and ignorance to survive politically, thus they have wrecked the public schools to ensure a steadily supply of idiot voters and they are waging war on churches, the Boy Scouts, etc., that uphold truth and integrity.
Over a decade ago our new Democratic Congresswoman set up a “Discussion” with our community about the state of our schools. With her were other Democratic Party elected officials who were there to “dialog” about what we needed. After the Democratic Party politicians gave wonderful televised speeches about how there were going to force some changes on us, they left. The people, who were expecting a dialog, were told that their comments would be videotaped for viewing at a later time and date, which was not disclosed.
Democratic politicians, in my experience, do not want dialog.
Democrats won control of both houses of the Minnesota State Legislature last fall. End of story.
And as soon as I checked who was the governor, I remembered that Mark Dayton is no friend of gun owners, even before doing a search on his name and “gun control”. I suppose we can’t expect better from a state where an election with Al Franken was even close enough to cheat to victory.
Elections have consequences.
Yow, now that I think about it, the last time I can remember shooting a Ruger 10/22 was in Minnesota, with my father on a fishing and hunting trip way up north the Gunflint Trail from Grand Marais!
In a wee bit of fairness to Crazy Man Dayton, he piped-up soon after the Sandy Hook attack and said he wasn’t so sure that banning guns is the right step to take. The dude is a hunter and although he’s crazy, there seems to be a small light of reason holding on in his liberal soul that Dayton is listening to this time.
Do Democrats simply wish to disarm unusually short or tall people? Will this save lives?
“Assault Weapons” bans
Are mostly aimed at women
With short Length of Pull.
As a man, I can use pretty much any gun out there, because they were all designed for me. Some of the sub-compact automatics might be a poor fit for my larger hands, but anything else, from a full sized revolver to a 12 guage shotgun suits me just fine.
But my wife is smaller and fine boned. She cannot handle a full sized rifle and a 12 guage leaves her bruised for weeks. But an AR-15 with adjustable stocks and pistol and foregrips suits her just fine. She needs a larger magazine to make up for the weak cartridge. But the low recoil and easy handling means she can put a lot of shots on target in a short amount of time.
But the very features she needs to be effective – the large magazine, pistol grips, foregrips, and adjustable stocks, are the features they want to ban. They will have effectively disarmed her, and millions of other women. However, we men will be just as effectively armed as ever.
This should be a feminist issue.
HG, I am so glad that you brought this up. Thank you!
Whatever their politics, ideologues are seldom interested in facts or the truth.
They’re only interested in power and control, and sometimes, money.
How dare anyone to attempt to clutter the discussion with facts. Liberal minds are made up and no amount of factual discussion will ever change their minds. It certainly sounds like it was an orchestrated event. My only question is, was it directed by our god-like divider in chief? Sounds like something he would be involved with by “leading from behind”.
Actually, I believe our side is quite stupid in one respect. We continue to adhere religiously to a fantasy notion, without evidence that Democrats are reachable by mere facts and logic, impressed by or swayed by civility and comraderie. I also think the reason is because we are afraid to contemplate the consequences of concluding otherwise.
You can’t negotiate with terrorist or tyrants.bYou demand. You threaten. You back up your talk. You put your favorable reps on strict notice that chumminess for the mere sake of civility or favor from Democrats can not be tolerated in light of the singularity of purpose and willingness to use any means to secure the usurpation of liberties and dismantlement of our stucture of government.
People believe what they want to believe, and that includes conservatives. Despite overwhelming evidence it is just too painful to believe that we are being subjugated intentionally.
Note that when it comes to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA) it’s a general problem, just much worse with Democrats, e.g. how many full throated defenses of the RKBA can you remember from Republicans after Newtown? The Republican establishment hates their base, the TEA Party, the “bitter clingers”, they’re just not so obvious about it. Although the last two presidential elections showed us they’d rather lose than win with the base’s support.
And the problem is indeed not “reachable by mere facts and logic”; they are of course ignorant as the author notes about DiFi’s appalling violations of Rules 1-3 (makes you wonder about the period where she had one of a handgun of concealed carry permits issued by San Francisco…), they hate us, pure and simple. Pure power is all that counts, we defeat them at the ballot box or….
It is important that we go through the motions, if nothing else so that we can use their own actions against them. It is very important that at no time can we be accused of using their tactics. It’s not so much the actual Democrats that we need to impress, but the on-the-fence bystanders who will do much of the voting.
Screw the fence sitters. They are just weak minded and undecisive. I don’t want them on my team.
And it doesn’t matter if we use the dems tactics or not because the media will say we did anyway.
Can you count?
One of the Opponents branded the proposed legislation as “Un-American”, and did you notice how one of the DFL members (was he the author) immediately took personal umbrage at this “insult to the character of the legislators”, when the commentor never mentioned anyone, only the legislation.
You cannot have a logic-based conversation with a liberal about guns. Trust me, I’ve tried. We, gun owning citizens have repeatedly rolled over and accepted unconstitutional restrictions on our rights. The only response that they will understand is a very forceful “no more.” As soon as the grabbers start talking about “common sense” gun legislation you know that all common sense has left the building. We have an obligation to ourselves and the founders NOT to comply with unconstitutional laws. Meanwhile we vote the tyrants out of office.
Exactly so!
When they spout “common sense gun laws” you respond with “everywhere such laws have been imposed the citizens wind up being less safe.”
Great Britain bans all handguns. Their violent crime rate is five times ours.
Mexico bans most guns. Look at what’s happening there.
The US violent crime rate is lower that nearly every European nation except Switzerland in which all male citizens are either active or reserve and must keep their military weapons at home.
“But guns scare me.” Then don’t own one, but I will not allow you to make me and my family less safe just to satisfy your irrational fears.
I lived through every gun “discussion” from the 1968GCA on, and it’s never been either a discussion or common sense, it’s always been about power and control. When they push we must push back twice as hard.
I live in Kennesaw, Georgia, population 32,000.. For all intensive purpose’s there is no crime rate here, violent or otherwise… People here are polite to eachother, that is the norm and not the execption.. Even the liberals here (thank god there aren’t very many)cunduct themselves in an orderly fasion…
So what is the difference between Kennesaw and any other mid-size town in America ? Simple – Everybody here is armed, and I mean everybody !! and everybody knows it.. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.. But then again, common sense is a concept that liberals just can’t absorb..
Bill,
This is so True!
I have moved from the heathen County of Los Angeles to Central Idaho, and I tell everyone how Idahoans are so respectful and kind to each other, because everyone is armed. It is such a joy to live among free citizens.
These politicians work for us. The people. How can we possibly trust them? When they call a witness who doesn’t agree with them, and then walk out, we the people should boot them out of office. I only wish I was in one of their districts…
Rocks, bottles, boots, and can openers are all possible assault weapons. There are sub-machineguns, machine pistols, pistols, rifles, assault rifles, and machineguns but there is no such thing in actuality as a firearm typified as an assault weapon. An assault weapon is imaginary – an invention of the leftist and means “anything I think is spooky looking.” In the photo above Feinstein is carrying a AK-47, the original assault rifle. She is also demonstrating her ignorance of firearms by carrying it with her finger inside the trigger guard. The Germans copied and improved the AK-47 during WWII and Hitler himself named the result “sturmgewehr” or assault rifle. The AK-47 is covered by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and is not generally found in the US public. A semi-automatic (i.e., self-loading) single shot for a single trigger pull)is offered for sale here and – other than being spooky looking – does not significantly differ from many other semi-automatic rifles. “Infringe” as used in the Constitution was at that time a legal phrase indicating that an element or the totality of a contract had been broken.
Reis Kash – Just gonna pick a small nit with you here. Kalishnakov (The ‘K’ in AK)improved on Germany’s STG44. The German’s design preceded the AK 47. I only wish to clarify that for you, so that your other strong arguments are not challenged on the basis of your confusion of the timeline. People are quick to dismiss entire stances, based on one small error. I have no beef with anything else you said.
Yeah well this is Minnesota, we excel in producing the finest of ignorant liberals who live for the chance to preach to others. The state laws the demorats have lined up to punish gun owners are laughable but then so are they.
One fine day there will be a confrontation between the fascists and everyone else, you can see that day coming, because they just keep pushing and pushing and pushing as if they fear to response.
Dec 30, 2009
Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world,because the people are armed,basic military is mandatory for men,and after wards they are required to keep their weapon at home.A crook will think twice about breaking into houses knowing this,people who think the world should get rid of guns should think again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ufkwTM82e4
The Minnesotan’s contribution to gun control conversation seems remarkably akin to that of global warming doomsayers- ” The ‘science’ cannot be refuted! The issue is decided! Shut up!”
That’s because democrats care nothing about knowledge or facts. They care only about power over others.
And they are shameless in using emotion to acquire it. Thus “no crisis goes to waste”, and the facts don’t matter as long as they can generate an emotional movement that carries them to their goal. It’s why Republican and conservative arguments have gone nowhere these last few years. You cannot counter emotion with cold hard facts.
This is further proof that the end game is full confiscation. They aren’t interested in facts, because the end result is confiscation from citizens. That’s the dem end game in a nut shell.
anyone that tells you “no one wants to take away your guns” is either a liar or stupid.
Please, Walt, it’s – in the words of Prof Olson: Deferred Confiscation.
But, that presents an 5th-A “Takings” issue, does it not?
I don’t believe that Democrat politicians do not know the difference. I suspect that they were bored because they already knew the details. Mr. Doar may be expert in weapons but he’s very naive in politics. He fell into the trap of being misdirected to talk about gun details an missing the real purpose of this current population control campaign.
It’s time to stop calling it an anti-gun campaign and start calling it by what it is. This campaign is not about safety or children or mentally ill, it’s about controlling the United States. It’s about making it easier for the ruling elite to do what they want. As long as a significant number of people hold weapons capable of resisting government-armed thugs, this country can’t really be controlled, lifestyles reshaped, populations relocated and reduced to be more sustainable, and oppressive, unsustainable, colonialist-imperialist, racist policies and behaviors eradicated, and the elite enabled to live and rule as they deserve.
Hardly
There’s more moving pieces here than you could imagine. Things are falling into place.
The photo of Feinstein is priceless. Never mind all the safety boo-boos this stupid cow is guilty of there, but the fact she has the weapon on “full auto” is most telling.
What she is holding is an actual Assault Rifle, because it can go full-auto. These are already prohibited for ordinary civilian use.
Mendacity magnified.
Listen folks, Liberalism is a fanatic religeon for these people. Like any religion when facts conflict with orthodoxy than facts be damned. You can’t reason with these people no more than Galileo could reason with the Catholic Church. They need to be defeated.
Wrong again, Randy. The Church reasoned with Galileo and the Church correctly replied that Galileo’s reasons were wrong. Scientifically wrong. And that he should stop trying to teach his unproven* speculations as fact. One could even say that Galileo was the hockey stick promoter of his day.
*He never could prove his beliefs. Galileo’s heliocentrism, like that of Copernicus, assumed the planets moved in perfectly circular motions and therefore observations did not match Galileo’s theory. Jesuit scientists were simultaneously hard at work trying to resolve where the heliocentric theories of the day went wrong and why they didn’t match observational data. Eventually Johannes Kepler, a Protestant in the employ of a Catholic monarch, would solve the riddle by discarding the assumption that planetary motion had to be circular.
When liberals say they want to have a conversation, that means that they talk and you listen, shut up and do what they tell you.
Why is the left so eager to disarm the populace? What are they planning to do?
Things.
To you.
For your own good.
That you will have to pay for and you would neither want or like, and will have no way to refuse.
I watched the MN Capitol feed in its entirety (2hrs, 8min).
The session ran overlength, and at the beginning “The Chair” (how corrupt has our language become when a chairman of a committee specifies that he must be addressed as “Mr. Chair”?) announced that some of the members would be leaving early to attend other legislative functions.
There was no visible evidence on the feed that the DFL members got up in-mass and departed at any point. At the end, one of the “R” members did not her disappointment that her colleagues could not see clear to stay and hear the opposition’s testimony (for the record, the Proponents went first and consumed roughly one-hour, and the Opponents followed using 52min – this in a hearing where each side was to be given 30min to present their case, but where “The Chair” committed to allowing, and announcing going in, that if the Proponents went over, he would allow the same time to the Opponents).
All in all, it was the usual legislative dog-and-pony show:
The Proponents railed against mass shootings (even the one in Norway where the weapons had to be smuggled into the country) using emotion, and the Opponents countered with fact and logic (the concluding remarks by Prof. Joseph Olson – or is it Olsen? – from the Gun Owner’s Rights Alliance, and whose amicus brief was cited in Heller) was quite good, but will be ignored by “the usual suspects”.
Democrats are working hard to convince the American voter not to vote “Democratic” in 2014 and beyond. So far it looks like they will be successful. Obamacare (Unaffordable), Gun Control based upon appearance, magazine capacity, instead of any actual knowledge.
The Real New World Order. Bankers Taking over the World By John Kozy Global Research, February 06, 2013
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-new-world-order-bankers-taking-over-the-world/5322085
I’m from MN and let me tell you, I am heartbroken. I thought we had a chance in this state when we turned our Senate and House to Republican for the first time in, I don’t remember, 50 some years, I think. But all the Republicans we elected were a bunch of wusses and most of them got fired this last time around. Either that or vote fraud/union interference were the culprits. Either way, I knew we only had 2 short years and the Republicans caved at every turn. Now we’re totally screwed. I may have to move if I ever want to see Conservatism in my state.
I was at the meeting. Pathetic. Rep Hillstrom has stated she is against ant of these bills. The rest are committed left wing ideologues. Rep Schoen wants an amendment so that off duty servicemen can own assault rifles. Of course he is in the national guard. This bill will only allow registered rifles. No new sakes. And forfeiture upon death or transfer. It is a ban via attrition.
To anyone living in MN, please go and request the minutes from this meeting. with in them it must note when and which legislators left the meeting. unless we find some one who saved the vid before it was removed, we will not have the proof we need to further this story.
They acted just like the Wisconsin Democrat legislators who fled to Illinois to avoid voting on a bill they didn’t like. Piers Morgan is as bad, but rather than walking off his own TV show when he doesn’t like the answers of his guests to his unending question about “need” for AR-15 rifles, Piers just ignores the answers as if he was deaf.
When the going gets tough, the Democrats get gone.
Liberal/dems/statist “national conversation” simply means they talk/yell/call names and tell you why you are wrong, ignorant, and evil. and we shut up. and this rule dosent apply to just this debate. it applies across the board to any and every topic.
Don’t mean to stomp on the whinning but when will anyone, anywhere begin to organize us against the left.
Griping is fine and cathartic but at some point, we must start organizing all our red states and those who live in the commie states so that when the shoe finally does fall, be it civil war or secession, we will be ready.
I have a feeling they are getting ready to take over. They have been testing the water ever since the won was selected.
Again, I ask, does anyone really think we can coexist here in America with the left?
But if one were to remove the wood stock and replace it with one made of black plastic, as done below, it would be banned as an “assault weapon”.
So if people are beaten up with baseball bats do the bats become classified as assault weapons and calls to ban them become routine political demagoguery?
In the UK politicians have discussed banning pointy ended knives beyond a short length. Don’t laugh, it’s very true. They have cooking experts testify on how nobody “needs” a long knife with a sharp tip because it’s typically more convenient to use the tip on a shorter pairing knife, therefore long bladed knives should have flat front ends to “save lives”. Then they bring up stats of people killed in domestic violence disputes with kitchen knives. They will never admit the abject failure of their gun bans to stop murder, just continue down the well worn road or “what can we take from the people next?” They will never be placated, never be satisfied, the only way to foil their plans for us is to use the second amendment to protect it if needed, as was intended. If we stop the AWB now, they’ll come back at it and try to get it passed again in another decade or whenever they think they can. If the AWB passes this time, then the next time they have the opportunity, they’ll take their next step. Think of it, if the Clinton ban hadn’t been revoked the narrative today would still be gun control, but instead of pushing the AWB, since they’d already have it, they’d be pushing the next step on their list. It would not surprise me in the least if the left has a list somewhere of the steps they intend to take in order to achieve total civilian disarmament. It probably reads something like 1. AWB 2. universal registration 3. ammo limits 4. handgun ban 5. ban all semiautomatics 6. ban whatever’s left. It may not be exactly those steps in that order, but the point is they DO have a step-by-step plan for dismantling the second amendment one piece at a time, no matter how long it takes. We need to stop it now before it can progress to the next stage.