Using Mass Murder to Agenda-Push
Imagine, in the dead of night, a soldier slipping off the Army base in Tacoma, Wash., and walking into a local neighborhood. He leaves footprints along the way that indicate he may have tried to kick in other gates until he found one open.
He enters that home and shoots 11 people; confusion reins among locals about how many were shot in their sleep in the 2 a.m. home invasion and how many were gathered into the same room before being killed. Regardless, the victims are all of the same family.
He then walks some two miles away to another neighborhood on the other side of the military base. There, he enters two homes and kills five more.
With a death toll of 16, including nine children and three women, the shooter walks back to his base and turns himself in.
The mass murders would elicit shock and outrage across the country. The suspect would be remembered by old classmates as happy-go-lucky or as co-workers as generally pleasant, while darker bits of his past would abate some of the surprise over the allegations: a domestic violence incident with a past girlfriend in which he agreed to complete anger-management counseling to get the charges dropped, a hit-and-run incident. One official would bring up alcohol as a factor in the violence; the high-profile defense attorney would bring up a number of other mitigating factors to try to spare his client the death penalty.
Inevitably, comparisons would be made to other mass murderers in American history: Charles Whitman, who climbed the clock tower well-armed at the University of Texas in 1966 and killed 16; James Huberty, who killed 21 patrons at a San Ysidro McDonald’s in 1984; George Hennard, who shot 23 to death at Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, in 1991; Seung-Hui Cho, who methodically killed 32 on the Virginia Tech campus in 2007. Candlelight vigils would be held. The community would, to some futility, try and try to grasp for the reason why he snapped, but they’d stop far short of excusing his murderous rampage.
To the criminologically minded, the pieces aren’t a bad fit. Mass murderers are primarily white, male, prefer guns as the killing weapon to swiftly take out victims, and have myriad motivations, I confirmed by pulling an old college textbook off the shelf, “Serial Murderers and Their Victims” by Dr. Eric Hickey. “Unlike serial killers, the mass murderer appears to give little thought or concern to his or her inevitable capture,” Hickey writes in this second edition. “…In some cases offenders surrender to police and offer no resistance.”
Many others in history have also been passed up for promotions; it’s the textbook mass murderer who, frustrated by perceived injustices, lashes out at people to whom he has no relationship in an attempt to regain control over his life.
Now take that scenario and drop it into Afghanistan. It’s March 11, and Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, 38, stands accused of committing those crimes and turning himself in. The victims are Afghan, and speak Pashto instead of English.
“The social impact of mass murders tends to be restricted to the communities in which they occurred,” Hickey writes in that textbook. “…Recognizing potential mass murderers is usually a matter of hindsight; we are quick to attach motivating factors and personality defects to offenders once they have vented themselves on their victims.”
The location of Bales’ alleged crimes, however, ramps up the political impact for those who would use the textbook slayings as means to an antiwar end.
A post on Iraq Veterans Against the War called it “just the latest example of the U.S./NATO failed military strategy in Afghanistan and are calling on elected officials to stop funding the war, which now costs taxpayers between $1 and $2 billion per week. …These veterans hope that the Kandahar massacre will be a turning point in the U.S. occupation.”
The question should be why this individual was allowed into military in the first place. He assisted embezzling funds from the elderly, Hit and runs and DUI, and may have had Federal warrants for skipping court case involving embezzlement.
He never should have been allowed into military service.
You’d be amazed who gets in. I got in with spina bifida and my buddy did two years in a Fed Pen for 2nd murder (dropped on retrial).
Side note, I almost want the US to leave just to see that SOB Karzai’s head on a stick two weeks later when the Afghan armed forces collaspe without US personnel propping it up. That dude is a two faced scum bag who is only currently breathing because of the US personnel that he spreading lies about.
Let’s also remember what Karzai said a few months ago: In the event of conflict between the U.S. and Pakistan, Karzai would side with Pakistan.
But Karzai is not “two faced.” He’s a devout Muslim.
His first loyalty is to the Muslim community, not to a bunch of American infidels.
We make this mistake repeatedly–expecting Muslim leaders to base their decisions on Western values rather than on Muslim values.
Karzai would convert to Judaism in the middle of downtown Kabul, live on TV, if he thought it would give him any bit more of power and money. Karzai is about as Muslim as you or I. That’s his big problem with the population…they see through his BS. The moment we pull out, he gets lynched. I’m to the point, I don’t give a darn either way anymore.
I agree with Diablo 100%. But lets look at this situation from a distance.
We are in Afghanistan because the “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” flew jets into the twin towers and False Flagged Afghanistan. Afghanistan is both Opium Rich and Uranium Rich. The US went into Afghanistan, then Saudi Puppet Obama and Saudi Puppet SoS Clinton left “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate written Sharia Law” in the Afghanistan constitution.
Saudi written Sharia Law, in any country’s constitution, will turn any country into a “Saudi Organized Crime Dictatorship” where the “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” owns the oil, the natural resources and any industry they want to steal.
Saudi Puppets Obama and Clinton left Saudi written Sharia Law in the constitutions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Yemen and Kenya. These were all presents to the “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate.”
So America overthrew the “Taliban Organized Crime Syndicate” and installed a much worse “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” as the new Dictators. Today the “Taliban Organized Crime Syndicate” wants their Opium Back so they want to overthrow Afghanistan with RIOTS -> Martial Law -> Overthrow the “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate Dictator” named Karzai.
There are two traits in common with both the “Saudi and Taliban Organized Crime Syndicates.”
1) They lie about everything to Americans, and any one else that is not under their “Crime Syndicates Rule.” This lying is required, under the Afghanistan Constitution because “Saudi written Sharia Law” is in the Afghanistan constitution.
2) They will always False Flag. That is one of the main characteristics of these cowards. Both the “Saudi and the Taliban Organized Crime Syndicates” will kill innocent civilians to blame it on the other side.
Known false flags are”
1) The “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” flying Jets into the twin towers.
2) The “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” falsifying Iraq Nuclear Weapons Reports.
3) The “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” falsifying Human Rights violations reports on the United States, Israel and Syria.
4) The “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” falsifying Iran Nuclear Weapons Reports.
5) The “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” bombing an Iranian Scientist and blaming it on Israel, then the same “Crime Syndicate” Bomber bombed an Israeli citizen, with forensically identical bomb material, and blamed it on Iran.
So I ask why has 25 out of 26 posts on this page convicted this American without any evidence or investigation? It’s much more like that it’s the “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” False Flagging an American Soldier who possibly took revenge on the one person that attacked him earlier that day. The “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate”, or the “Taliban Organized Crime Syndicate” likely tied up whole families and burned them alive as just one more False Flag.
So here we have an American Soldier and the “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate” will not let Americans even visit, let alone forensically examine the locations.
We have an unidentified number of possible causalities as reported by a Lying, False Flagging, “Saudi Organized Crime Syndicate Dictator.” Karzai claimed that whole families were tied together in the center of the room and burned. This sounds much more like the typical False Flag you could expect out of both the “Saudi and the Taliban Organized Crime Syndicates.”
” He assisted embezzing funds from the elderly”. Wall Street did and everybody lost money, especially many elderly Germans. No argument against this man.Some time ago a US soldier in Iraq wrote ” War is hell”. Your soldiers are left in hel
alone in hell and never get any help. My husband still remembers Vietnam and the nasty behaviour of the Americans back home. This man needs treatment in a hospital, nothing else.
Sorry, I have problems with my note book.
Though there are many soldiers mistreated when they get home and are victims of an anti-military leftist mentality, this man is not one of them. This man is likely a murderer, possibly a drunk, and a confirmed embezzler. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and leave the burden of proof for the prosecution. But, IF he is guilty, he needs the full weight of the law settled squarely on his back.
Posit that he’s not literally insane. Posit that he just did it to get even for what happened to his friend. Or just for the thrill of breaking all the rules.
There is no treatment for having deliberately and with cold malice having chosen to be evil. The only answer we have to that is to make sure he can’t do it again. In the U.S. he’s facing the death penalty, because our view is that dead men commit no further murders. Other societies choose to lock these guys up and keep them locked up; that works too if jailbreaks are made physically impossible and pardons made politically impossible.
I suspect though, he might quality for the ‘War on Drugs’ and a No Knock Raid squad. War is war…
I don’t believe that because the military was not able to screen and not allow him in the service has any bearing on his committing the horrible act. Most all individuals with some troubled past never become mass murders. Who knows why these individual crazies snap and commit mass murder? Fortunately the occurance is very rare. I doubt if law enforcement has any means of preventing it. This may be a good case for private citizens to own guns for self protection.
I’m wondering if this guy was NOT in Afghanistan, he would have snapped as badly as he did. Well, then again, those two kids at Columbine certainly snapped, killing 13 people, and they were nowhere near Afghanistan. Something to think about.
Maybe Mr. Bales was just channeling the Taliban. After all, the Taliban does this and more before lunch, and that doesn’t seem to upset Karzai (after all, it looks like he is negotiating with them to save his own neck when the US pulls out).
Exactly what I think.
Oh, and by the way, there are plenty of other reasons to get out of Afghanistan that have nothing whatsoever to do with Bales.
Why do you think the story is headline news every night on the MSM – they are using it as a political football to erode morale.
In other news, an average of 25 Americans are killed every day by illegal aliens, meaning over 100 Americans have since met an untimely and unwarranted death at the hands of people who have to right to be here since the unfortunate incident in Afghanistan…yet where are their stories?
View this and see if this sounds familiar to today. Elke’s warning, She was born under Hitler, raised under the USSR’s sovereignty in East Germany, and came to America as a young adult. LISTEN to her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rT76vNmxc&feature=player_embedded
A military jury is going to do what they think will be the best route to promotion. The Kangaroo Trial of LTC Lakin showed that.
Nope. Not even close. Lakin refused orders with no legal basis. It is NOT the job of any soldier to determine the legitimacy of a sitting President.
Down that road lies military dictatorship.
It’s all about something called, “The Rule Of Law”, and Lakin wrongly took the law into his own hands.
If, as I suspect, your judgment of history is limited to the moving, visual media age, I respectfully request that you view a now rather antiquated movie: “Judgement At Nuremberg”. Then, you maybe reminded of the concept: “I was Just Following Orders”, as a sufficient defense against war crimes, is an insufficient defense.
In WWII our goal was the unconditional surrender of our enemies. What is our goal in Afghanistan?
The goal as stated by our anti-American generals is to serve the Afghan people, which of course means serving islam.
Our military generals don’t make policy.
The policy that we are in Afghanistan to “help” the Afghans was first instituted by President Bush and then endorsed by Democrats like Hillary.
And it was bogus from day one.
In World War II, we didn’t invade Germany to “help liberate the German people from Hitler.”
It sure was bogus, and so were the Clintons’ motives for bombing the Serbs.
Only those who are mad want us to stay in the disaster called Afcrapistan. What a wonton waste of American lives, limbs, and hundreds of billions of dollars, that we don’t have. What is it accomplishing? More dhimmitude trying to win the muslims evil hearts and shariah minds.
Obama and his crew pushed Ashcanistan. He owns this murder spree. (Any such thing under Bush would certainly be dumped on him, wouldn’t it?)
That said, it seems to me that wars evolve into the SOS, over and over again, and the same corporations end up making bunches of dollars. Enough.
Yep! Crony capitalism at the cost of the lives and limbs of the American country class. Republican and Democrat Progressives are raking in the profits.
Let’s do something really weird: assume he’s innocent until proven guilty by Court Martial. There are certainly facts that could mitigate this heinous act, no? No one in their right mind would commit such an act, so something snapped. And tying embezzlement to mass murder is ridiculous!
My grandson recently returned to Ft. Bragg where there were 26 soldiers involved in domestic violence and other crimes within a matter of days of returning home. Unless you’ve been in combat you don’t know the stress and how you’d handle it. Wait till all the facts are out instead of finding Bales guilty. NONE of you know all the facts, you’re just piecing together anecdotal acts reported by the press. And the real kicker is that Al Queda and the Taliban kill innocent women and children daily for years. How many Afghan soldiers/policemen have turned on their American A
Some may be using this tragedy to justify abandoning the mission in Afghanistan but others, including me, did not need this event to question that mission. And, by the way, what exactly is that mission? How does the U.S. declare victory and what is victory in this pseudo war?
This war has no real mission. The enemy is not only undefined the West determinedly turns a blind eye to the obvious. To state that Afghanistan must be stabilized with a military and security force capable of maintaining peace is like expecting a hornets nest can be stabilized by training a few of the hornets. This “stabilization” process is doomed to fail as soon as the so called coalition partners depart the scene.
As tragic as we in the West view this massacre, that brutal, barbaric attitude of war as opposed to a ridiculous set of rules of engagement that hamstring the guys facing death every day by aiding and abetting a determined, if inferior enemy, might be the only way to successfully achieve a victory of sorts. You stabilize a hornets nest by killing everything in it and destroying it completely. If the West is not willing to do that, given the circumstances, as is obvious after almost 10 years of futility, then we should get the hell out of there and leave the Afghan people to fend for themselves.
The things that are said in the article as well as posts are a indicator of the sad state of the United States, We were all there, we know what happened, Why have courts if people are guilty before proven, Let the court do it’s job, stop trying to do it for them. Geppetto, you are about the only one that is truthful,,but the rest think you can be thrown in to the killing fields and it have no effect on the soldier.
He killed moslems…. that is good in my book. As moslems kill everyone else. The man is a hero.
Oh, and we do not have to imagine a “soldier” doing that in tacoma… a moslem did that just recently.. nidal or whatever his garbage “religion” name is.
You know Ft Hood moslem scum.
The Ft hood Muslim SOB.that yeld Allah Akbar Before killing our men and women in uniforms.I don’t hear any one talking about the death penalty for this SOB.
You forgot to add that they are too many of them around the world.
Not really. There are only about a billion moslems, there is 1.5 billion Catholics, a billion plus Hindu/Bhudist. The moslem animals are vastly out numbered by Humans.
Would the Humans give them what they deserve.
Then it would be a better world…. ahh, Disney in Mecca. The kabba stone chipped off as and sold as the cheap garbage it is.
The Islamic countries are why we need to get all our oil and natural gas along with coal from our country and leave those countries isolated to live in the 7th century until they figure out they are left behind. The world needs to figure out they need to isolate them to their own designs unless they are threatening our countries.
This SSGT proved long before being in the Army he needs to get the stiffest punishment as he has shown he is untrustworthy since he left high school and did enough damage here much less what he did in Afghanistan. He deserves to be turned over to the Islamist and get his punishment once his trial is over.
Innocent until proven guilty? By some court, rather than the usual rush-to-judgement, especially-if-it’s-a-soldier, frequently-lying news media? Now there’s a concept.
It is Obama’s war! He’s the one who said it was the right war instead of Iraq. He owns it and the stupid non win rules of engagement! One VietNam lost by politicians is enough! Either kill the bastards or get out!
Not only was he a bad actor but the Army helped keep him away from justice. Sound familiar?
I suspect that he did his killing as a diversion, hoping that he would be lost in the debates his actions caused.
Sounds like a perfect psychopath and better, he knows how to make it work.
The writer is as bad as the pundits. May have been inclination may have been psychosis caused by a relatively “minor ” head injury is done. Wait until the investigation is complete including forensic psychiatry. You are indecent in your haste to condemn.
I am so sick of lies and misinformation being reported. My question is why is Staff Sargeant Bales being set up as a scapegoat? Why the report of his alleged ripping off of an elderly couple over 12 years ago being reported? I believe the links I will cite offer a more accurate description of what took place in Afghanistan. That this masscre was done by up to 20 troops, not 1 mentally deranged soldier. Also, our soldiers are being killed by the very people they are there to instruct. Obama had our soldiers aiding the very enemy in Libya that they are supposed to be fighting in Afghanistan. Also, Panetta’s surprise visit where he had our troops disarm. There is as usual more to this story than what we’re being told. Check out these links and decide for yourself.
http://tinyurl.com/7h2mrdq = Afghanistan: Up to 20 US troops executed Panjwai massacre:probe
http://tinyurl.com/6u9r3gf = Lawmakers say several US soldiers involved in Afghan killings
But whose ‘war’ is this? The left, along with Obama have always framed Afghanistan as the ‘good’ war. Not sure there will be as huge of a backlash from the anti war groups on this one. Certainly there will be a few complaints, but nothing compared to the 2002-2008 rhetoric.
Quite frankly, I blame Obama.
1965: ‘If I Were the Devil’ (Warning for a Nation) – Paul Harvey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJc8Mzg0C-c&feature=player_embedded#!
Murderers, Scapegoats, and Terrorists
On its face, murder is an abominable crime. Taking another human life involves an abject surrender of one’s own humanity and a total disregard for the sanctity of human life.
Civilized societies today occasionally legally execute convicted reprobates but only after due process and often decades of appeals. Unethical societies treat accused murderers differently, as in the cases of Sgt. Robert Bales and Major Nidal Malik Hasan.
By all accounts, Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales was an outstanding, highly-decorated soldier, respected and praised by the men in his command.
Before he enlisted shortly after the Muslim terrorist attacks on 9/11, Bales was universally admired by his friends and neighbors. When he was not deployed in battle–three stints in Iraq where he sustained a traumatic brain injury and the loss of part of his foot and recently sent to Afghanistan–Bales lived life as a loving father of two at home with his wife in Washington state.
If the charges of murdering defenseless Afghans, including women and children, are sustained and he is convicted, Sgt. Bales should receive a suspended sentence on the basis of temporary insanity and extreme post-traumatic stess disorder. Better yet, he should be set free today!
Aside from political considerations, chiefly placating the Afghanis and President Hamid Karzai who considers American soldiers “demons,” there is no rational excuse for our military to further punish Bales for actions committed while he was obviously crazed by repeated and intimate exposure to the horrors of war.
He is alleged in the mainstream media to have left his Kandahar base and drunkenly slaughtering 16 innocent people, much as Iraqis and Afghanis have been soberly slaughtering thousands of American troops, many of whom are currently in Afghanistan building roads, schools, and hospitals.
Although Sgt. Bales has not yet been officially charged with the crimes and is now in solitary confinement at Fort Leavenworth, many military-hating American Leftists have already tried, convicted, and scapegoated him, mainly on the basis Bales is a courageous military man, and we all know how the Left abhors the military.
Sgt. Bales’ case stands in remarkable contrast to the matter of Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan who, on November 5th, 2009, allegedly, murdered 13 innocent, defenseless people and wounded 30at Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas.
Twenty-eight months later, Hasan has yet to come to trial. The carnage he caused was witnessed by dozens of objective observers and, despite evidence he was inspired by Islamist extremists such as Anwar Al-Awlaki to perpetrate the atrocity, our government chose to categorize Hasan’s actions as “workplace violence.” . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=17812.)