Comments on: U.S. Auto Industry Crashes; Taxpayers Serve as Airbag http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:18:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: BizzyBlog » Things I’d Like To Post About Today ….. (122808, Morning) http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-175967 BizzyBlog » Things I’d Like To Post About Today ….. (122808, Morning) Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:40:34 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-175967 [...] Thomas Sowell has a great column (actually, that’s a redundant statement) at IBDeditorials.com — “Postponing Reality At Detroit’s Big Three.” The mindset of the whole bunch of them reminds me of a certain 16 year-old. [...] [...] Thomas Sowell has a great column (actually, that’s a redundant statement) at IBDeditorials.com — “Postponing Reality At Detroit’s Big Three.” The mindset of the whole bunch of them reminds me of a certain 16 year-old. [...]

]]> By: S. Howard http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-159735 S. Howard Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:22:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-159735 I remember after a hard days flight on an USAF aircraft out of Greece, going down to the brass and copper market where they made some of the best hammered pots and wood bins that as we bargained with the Greek merchant at the Arcopolus beggars market - we discussed with the merchant who made the best cars in the world. I smartly picked Mercedes Benz and after some converstaion the world wise Greek merchant said of course not it is "you Americans". Then looking around the streets I started to notice the thousands of rebuilt American cars mixed in with an assortment of European, Russian, Italian and who kows what else. Since that time I have truly come to believe that we do make the world's best cars. Look at every Chevy Caprice - late 80s models - where are they going? - to Saudia arabia were they are rebuilt in sweat shops and proudly run for many thousands of tough miles in the austere desert climate. Yes my Buick La Sabre is an example of a great American car - 176,000 miles one owner and purring - yea I change the oil every 3000 miles!! So yes we have to keep this great and grand business of ours going since after all we did invint it I think or is that being changed in our history books - as it is very close to in my estimation risinfg again making the best in the world - just look at the new Ford lineup of great innovations - the rest of these countries don't have the magnificant engineering genius for fabricating a new lines like Ford does - something about America that distills in its work force innovation, design brillance, the best ides. How about Saturn - wow I don't know much but looks sharp and sleek! yea we have given these foreign companies a great advantage by rebuilding their economies after WW11 and also pushing for globilization like Ford in Brazil where they start at a zero based cost line as far as pensions and some other benefits -but time is turning and again it is beginning to look like maufacturing costs in America are going to be competitive again with shipping, security, fule cost etc. and world labor prices going up possibly offsetting some of the carried cver costs of a business in America - - so yes to the bailout of our workers and our retirees - they did and are doing there share and no to the multinatuional corps who send there reps to the meeting giving a dismal forcast so that can quitly shut down our own American jobs and milk the foreign low cost and unregulated work forces of other countries - get smart Americans it is about multinnational corps who have no identity with a country or countries. So the final case we might make as the worlds greatest vehicles innovators and producers historically should be in my humble estimation is hell yes - yes we should fight to protect our own American jobs just as hard as our bought out politicians and multinational corps fought to get rid of theme to foreign interests. If you are an American vote for bailout of American and its jobs and way of life yes freedom - if you are multinational vote for the jobs and the technology to go somewhere esle. To me it is as simple as that! Me - I am and American and I vote yes for the US worker, the US job, his or her American made product and the need to keep a national strategic industrial base in this country running as someday we might have to again call on the greates workers in the world to roll tanks and trucks and humvees and jeeps and what ever else off these same production lines to fight and protect our freedom. I like made in America and stand by my 1998 Buick LaSabre a few dents and a few hailstone marks but purring at 175,000 plus original owner miles - one of the best made cars made in the world of course someday destined for a foreign country to be rebuilt in some sweatshop I am sure!!!! I remember after a hard days flight on an USAF aircraft out of Greece, going down to the brass and copper market where they made some of the best hammered pots and wood bins that as we bargained with the Greek merchant at the Arcopolus beggars market – we discussed with the merchant who made the best cars in the world. I smartly picked Mercedes Benz and after some converstaion the world wise Greek merchant said of course not it is “you Americans”. Then looking around the streets I started to notice the thousands of rebuilt American cars mixed in with an assortment of European, Russian, Italian and who kows what else. Since that time I have truly come to believe that we do make the world’s best cars. Look at every Chevy Caprice – late 80s models – where are they going? – to Saudia arabia were they are rebuilt in sweat shops and proudly run for many thousands of tough miles in the austere desert climate. Yes my Buick La Sabre is an example of a great American car – 176,000 miles one owner and purring – yea I change the oil every 3000 miles!! So yes we have to keep this great and grand business of ours going since after all we did invint it I think or is that being changed in our history books – as it is very close to in my estimation risinfg again making the best in the world – just look at the new Ford lineup of great innovations – the rest of these countries don’t have the magnificant engineering genius for fabricating a new lines like Ford does – something about America that distills in its work force innovation, design brillance, the best ides. How about Saturn – wow I don’t know much but looks sharp and sleek! yea we have given these foreign companies a great advantage by rebuilding their economies after WW11 and also pushing for globilization like Ford in Brazil where they start at a zero based cost line as far as pensions and some other benefits -but time is turning and again it is beginning to look like maufacturing costs in America are going to be competitive again with shipping, security, fule cost etc. and world labor prices going up possibly offsetting some of the carried cver costs of a business in America – - so yes to the bailout of our workers and our retirees – they did and are doing there share and no to the multinatuional corps who send there reps to the meeting giving a dismal forcast so that can quitly shut down our own American jobs and milk the foreign low cost and unregulated work forces of other countries – get smart Americans it is about multinnational corps who have no identity with a country or countries. So the final case we might make as the worlds greatest vehicles innovators and producers historically should be in my humble estimation is hell yes – yes we should fight to protect our own American jobs just as hard as our bought out politicians and multinational corps fought to get rid of theme to foreign interests. If you are an American vote for bailout of American and its jobs and way of life yes freedom – if you are multinational vote for the jobs and the technology to go somewhere esle. To me it is as simple as that! Me – I am and American and I vote yes for the US worker, the US job, his or her American made product and the need to keep a national strategic industrial base in this country running as someday we might have to again call on the greates workers in the world to roll tanks and trucks and humvees and jeeps and what ever else off these same production lines to fight and protect our freedom. I like made in America and stand by my 1998 Buick LaSabre a few dents and a few hailstone marks but purring at 175,000 plus original owner miles – one of the best made cars made in the world of course someday destined for a foreign country to be rebuilt in some sweatshop I am sure!!!!

]]> By: jerry http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-155340 jerry Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:56:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-155340 so heres to you idiots who say yeah , toyota is the one for me...well gues how much business they make for the people in the u.s compared to the 75% from the big 3 ...go ahead drive that car...but when they go under and ur company did ads for them...or sold products to them in any way, or their employers buaght from you...your screwed...go luck though...b/c when you looks for a way to get a job out side of the country thats the definition of a 3rd world country so heres to you idiots who say yeah , toyota is the one for me…well gues how much business they make for the people in the u.s compared to the 75% from the big 3 …go ahead drive that car…but when they go under and ur company did ads for them…or sold products to them in any way, or their employers buaght from you…your screwed…go luck though…b/c when you looks for a way to get a job out side of the country thats the definition of a 3rd world country

]]> By: jerry http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-155334 jerry Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:51:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-155334 Honda and Toyota dont have the uaw to deal with why should the big 3 im 16 and i watch my future slip away every day obama and some other idiot gets up and says they dont deserve it, or im going to make the Unions stronger... really if i was the big 3 i would build every single car in another country forget you people...no where should you get payed 100,000$ for screwing in a bolt when a robot can do it for you... Honda and Toyota dont have the uaw to deal with why should the big 3 im 16 and i watch my future slip away every day obama and some other idiot gets up and says they dont deserve it, or im going to make the Unions stronger… really if i was the big 3 i would build every single car in another country forget you people…no where should you get payed 100,000$ for screwing in a bolt when a robot can do it for you…

]]> By: Softail Rider http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-154369 Softail Rider Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:48:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-154369 "Who should help the drowning U.S. auto industry? In light of the history of the past century, the answer is obvious: the MAJOR OIL CORPERATIONS. God knows they’ve got the money, and they owe the auto companies big time. Let Congress call in the auto companies and Big Oil, and have them work out a deal—guaranteed loans, whatever. Congress can put its official approval on the deal. It’s the only fair solution." and kiss any "alternate fuel" research goodbye! “Who should help the drowning U.S. auto industry? In light of the history of the past century, the answer is obvious: the MAJOR OIL CORPERATIONS. God knows they’ve got the money, and they owe the auto companies big time. Let Congress call in the auto companies and Big Oil, and have them work out a deal—guaranteed loans, whatever. Congress can put its official approval on the deal. It’s the only fair solution.”

and kiss any “alternate fuel” research goodbye!

]]> By: Softail Rider http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-154365 Softail Rider Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:45:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-154365 Bill N....OMG! 1983 and 1984 are your reference points? Get a clue...that was 25 years ago! We now put disc brakes on the REAR of the vehicle too! and Harley Davidsons leaked like a sieve in those AMF days....try and find one leaking now. Get a major clue and welcome to the 2000's! Would you like us to upgrade your BetaMax to DVD? Bill N….OMG! 1983 and 1984 are your reference points?

Get a clue…that was 25 years ago! We now put disc brakes on the REAR of the vehicle too!

and Harley Davidsons leaked like a sieve in those AMF days….try and find one leaking now. Get a major clue and welcome to the 2000′s! Would you like us to upgrade your BetaMax to DVD?

]]> By: M. Schuller http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-154359 M. Schuller Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:37:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-154359 Who should help the drowning U.S. auto industry? In light of the history of the past century, the answer is obvious: the MAJOR OIL CORPERATIONS. God knows they’ve got the money, and they owe the auto companies big time. Let Congress call in the auto companies and Big Oil, and have them work out a deal—guaranteed loans, whatever. Congress can put its official approval on the deal. It’s the only fair solution. Who should help the drowning U.S. auto industry? In light of the history of the past century, the answer is obvious: the MAJOR OIL CORPERATIONS. God knows they’ve got the money, and they owe the auto companies big time. Let Congress call in the auto companies and Big Oil, and have them work out a deal—guaranteed loans, whatever. Congress can put its official approval on the deal. It’s the only fair solution.

]]> By: Ellen Mason http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-147578 Ellen Mason Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:51:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-147578 Reading through the comments - let's take a minute here - this isn't about what car you buy, its about car companies responsibilities to the consumer. If you were not alive in the 1970s and didn't sit in the gas lines, I can understand, however, the business case of the Big 3 have been "what not to do" in Business Text books for 20 years. "Status Quo" is irresponsible in a capitalistic society. It is irresponsible to stockholders and employees. If you are going to be on top you have to be innovative, environmentally conscious and provide real benefit to the end consumer. This isn't a new concept the message has been out there for 20 years, were you listening? The issue here is poorly run companies, why should I as a tax payer pay for that? Bottom line if a company can not see writing on the wall for several years and make changes then it shouldn't survive. If you want to buy American - there are two new manufacturers in California that are energy efficient, innovative and focused on the consumer needs/desires. Apteria and Tesla Motors. Just because there is a brand name recognition doesn't mean products are quality sometimes it is just marketing and packaging. I must state the best car I have had in the past 30 years is my Honda Hybrid I bought 2 years ago. I have quality, comfort, a lower carbon footprint and continued investment value of the vehicle. If the Japanese car companies Toyota and Honda were not changing then they wouldn't be global leaders in car manufacturing. Did you know Toyota has a hydrogen car out and is investing in the infrustructure of Japan to make sure fuel stations have hydrogen. US car manufacturers could have easily been on the forefront of change they were included in the innovative change for hydrogen cars first introduced in 1995 and using their political power to change our national infrustucture to accomodate the change in fuel types. Reading through the comments – let’s take a minute here – this isn’t about what car you buy, its about car companies responsibilities to the consumer. If you were not alive in the 1970s and didn’t sit in the gas lines, I can understand, however, the business case of the Big 3 have been “what not to do” in Business Text books for 20 years. “Status Quo” is irresponsible in a capitalistic society. It is irresponsible to stockholders and employees. If you are going to be on top you have to be innovative, environmentally conscious and provide real benefit to the end consumer. This isn’t a new concept the message has been out there for 20 years, were you listening?

The issue here is poorly run companies, why should I as a tax payer pay for that? Bottom line if a company can not see writing on the wall for several years and make changes then it shouldn’t survive.

If you want to buy American – there are two new manufacturers in California that are energy efficient, innovative and focused on the consumer needs/desires. Apteria and Tesla Motors. Just because there is a brand name recognition doesn’t mean products are quality sometimes it is just marketing and packaging.

I must state the best car I have had in the past 30 years is my Honda Hybrid I bought 2 years ago. I have quality, comfort, a lower carbon footprint and continued investment value of the vehicle.

If the Japanese car companies Toyota and Honda were not changing then they wouldn’t be global leaders in car manufacturing. Did you know Toyota has a hydrogen car out and is investing in the infrustructure of Japan to make sure fuel stations have hydrogen.

US car manufacturers could have easily been on the forefront of change they were included in the innovative change for hydrogen cars first introduced in 1995 and using their political power to change our national infrustucture to accomodate the change in fuel types.

]]> By: Richard Scott http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-146941 Richard Scott Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:32:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-146941 Amazing that so many Americans have bought into the urban myth that imports (in the same price range) are superior. Bull. I have owned Mitsubishi, Toyota, and now Ford truck. The auto trans blew in the Toyota and the Mits rings went south so it smoked like a mosquito truck. My Ford has been rock solid. But the propaganda continues. Yes, we built some sloppy stuff in the 80's, but since about '95 quality is way up. Furthermore, if Toyota is so "superior" why is Ford and Gm kicking their butts in NASCAR? Enough of the self loathing America bashing crap. Amazing that so many Americans have bought into the urban myth that imports (in the same price range) are superior. Bull. I have owned Mitsubishi, Toyota, and now Ford truck. The auto trans blew in the Toyota and the Mits rings went south so it smoked like a mosquito truck. My Ford has been rock solid. But the propaganda continues.
Yes, we built some sloppy stuff in the 80′s, but since about ’95 quality is way up. Furthermore, if Toyota is so “superior” why is Ford and Gm kicking their butts in NASCAR? Enough of the self loathing America bashing crap.

]]> By: Pajamas Media » Now We’re Bailing Out the Auto Companies? Who’s Next? http://pjmedia.com/blog/us-auto-industry-crashes-taxpayers-serve-as-airbag/#comment-143167 Pajamas Media » Now We’re Bailing Out the Auto Companies? Who’s Next? Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:27:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=34598#comment-143167 [...] their lobbying muscle and campaign contributions to work and got the politicians in Washington to approve a $25 billion “loan” from taxpayers. Now the auto companies are looking to stick their [...] [...] their lobbying muscle and campaign contributions to work and got the politicians in Washington to approve a $25 billion “loan” from taxpayers. Now the auto companies are looking to stick their [...]

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