Up Next for Team Obama? Racial Quotas for School Discipline
Notice the passive language. Students repeatedly disciplined, suspended, or expelled were more likely to be held back or drop out than kids who were not. This is the classic language of victimization. Could it be possible that such students are held back or drop out because of their behavior, regardless of race?
Local control of education has traditionally made it possible to keep costs low and has allowed discipline to be swift, sure, and effective. Because educators act in loco parentis, they are allowed to impose the kinds of discipline on children that parents might impose without governmental interference. Discipline ranges from minor tasks and detentions imposed by a teacher to lengthier detentions imposed by a principal, in-school suspension, out-of-school suspension, and expulsion.
Suspensions might immediately escalate depending on the severity of the offense. Drug offenses, assaults, or other serious crimes are usually dealt with by means of an immediate suspension and a lengthy term in an out-of-school suspension facility. When a student is suspended for more than a few days, virtually every school has policies that invoke a form of due process review involving the student, parents, and their lawyer, if they wish, and of course due process protections apply when criminal charges are filed in the juvenile justice system or otherwise.
What this sort of system does is give a student the maximum chance to stop misbehaving and to perform well in school. By the time any student is actually removed from a school building for any length of time, he will have received multiple warnings, conferences with teachers, counselors, and principals, and multiple lesser forms of discipline. Introducing race into the mix will have a particularly harmful effect.
If a racial discipline quota system is established — and this seems the certain goal of Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder — schools will suddenly become accountable to the DOJ. If the black school population is 9% but black students commit 28% of all disciplinary infractions, educators will have bizarre and harmful choices to make, for they will have to ignore 17% of black discipline violators once their quota for the year is reached.
Rule of law or equal under the law? Pffft, there will have to be two levels of punishment in the future. You know, some animals are more equal than other animals.
Two state solution.
If Lincoln hadn’t been assassinated, all the freedmen might have been colonozed in Africa or Central America, as Lincoln believed that slavery was wrong, but also that blacks and whites could not co-exist without it. The fact that all disparate-impact analyses begin with the lie that there are no differences among races is yet another example of the truism that if your initial premises are wrong, your conclusion will also be incorrect. But affirmative-action disciplne ought to end white participation in public schools forever.
As a former school teacher from CA I can say the the vast majority of black kids in trouble at school are from single parent homes w/ no father in their lives. Hispanics? Mostly gang related stuff. Facts are facts. You enforce the rules to on & all alike…unlike the gov’t. That said, I can say the best predictor of school failure is if you are a kid from a broken home-all color excluded.
Regarding black students, mainly black males. My wife teaches and she says you can always tell if a black male come from a home with a father. He’s courteous to women, behaves, and generally succeeds. As for those who’s parental model is Obama’s “Julia”, for whom a husband and father is an option easily replaced with the federal government, well, things are frequently different.
“That said, I can say the best predictor of school failure is if you are a kid from a broken home-all color excluded.”
Prison populations across the US attest to that fact. It’s the basic common denominator amongst the incarcerated.
The degree to which American liberals reflect the Marxist educational principles of Paulo Freire and the racial denial and blame of the black academic Left is remarkable. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear the Dem Party purposely embraces failure, The Onion of the intellectual world. The sum total, political correctness, is the most destructive force in American history.
In short, the political Left, speaking in the name of justice, is in fact displaying the psychological profile of a kid that feels they have been a bullied underachiever all their lives and now holds a grudge that unerringly disdains any paradigm of success. Liberalism is the home, not of people that have been disenfranchised as they allege, but of failure – it is after all 2012.
Bereft of systemic institutions that discriminate against the darlings of the Left, they simply make them up and the eternal struggle continues against the evil foe, in this case, white folks, and usually men. In my opinion, to be a member of the Dem Party in 2012 involves blithe hate speech, reverse racism and plain ignorance.
This disproportionality legal threat is merely one more sledgehammer in this Administration’s push to make both K-12 and higher ed, largely non-academic. Very little transmission of knowledge but a great deal of social interaction among diverse students who are to celebrate each other’s cultural heritage and differing perspectives. A return to busing, metrowide, is one way to get around the racial and economic segregation that is in the way of the desired diverse classroom. Another is making the classroom emotionally engaging and about critical issues that supposedly need reform right now.
Even in non-diverse areas, the students need to be physically present so that they and their parents can be community organized around explicit critical race theories.http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/self-efficacy-cultural-proficiency-training-critical-reflection-and-change-agency-development/ is the story I did quoting actual documents from California Tomorrow. Nothing ambiguous about this intent. This is what the Common Core’s Relevant looks like.
Getting troublemakers back in school to get their paper credentials to go on to college to force it again under the Social Dimensions doctrine the UN developed which this Admin has also adopted creates an expectation of a middle class life without the knowledge or skills to create it. Then there is always the in-school change agency devt and race consciousness to fall back on. The discipline push is just the beginning. It gets these kids back in the room or never leaving to make them easier to get at emotionally, attitudinally, spiritually (it appears only Judeo-Christian is not allowed).
I often see your comments on sites that I read, and I value your insights. It is vital to for us to understand that the seemingly insupportable positions and initiatives of this regime are all undertaken with a purpose and an underlying goal in mind. When they espouse positions that can’t be explained by any logic, the reason is they are advancing an agenda — an agenda that few would support if they were open about it. So, I appreciate your explanations of “why.” The “whys” chill me to the bone, though, because they are so advanced, so systematic, so implacable. Robin, please keep making your voice heard.
Thank You for the sunlight through my laptop window this morning.Hugo-bama isnt the first racist President but unfortunately the current one.Holder is his sock puppet racist in charge of justice(SPJ)/{both putting the”i” in racist}.Top students in that themselves!I was THE terrible student at my High School learning nothing,getting into 4 fights and wasting everybodys time.[and must leave the spell checker in open position].Time to get big government out of little schools.
I’m a retired career teacher. Race should have no part in school discipline. When you have different behavioral standards for different pigments you are a racist. I mean a real racist. If this happens it will have all kinds of unintended consequences as schools and school districts invent data to propitiate the Ø god.
both my parents were principals in the south Bronx. My mother said about a quarter of the families in her elementary school eventually escaped from poverty. Their kids were helped by good discipline which allowed them to learn in a safe environment. My father’s junior high was plagued by gang problems and mothers of some of his students who were “window breakers” but then got sucked into a gang came crying to him after their sons were murdered for trying to quit the gangs when they saw what they were expected to do. A friend who taught in a big city high school and was strict with discipline has had in recent years an Obama type principal who made it clear that sending students out of class for discipline would not be tolerated by the administration unless they used violence in the class room. So any students wanting to learn were hostage to those ignoring teaching, verbal abusers, discussion disrupters. This will be a disaster for all but to the greatest extent for those in the very communities the President pretends to support.
Make mandatory Nuns with 12″ rulers {the ones with that thin strip of metal for pencil lead to slide on} to go woopass on those punks. What our parents did not do the nun’s surely did. But “the one” does not want conservatives with diplomas leaving any school, constutional illiterats is what “the one” wants.
I only have anecdotal evidence of this, but I have heard from two people (one of whom is merely an acquaintance I met at a backyard BBQ)that the TSA does pretty much the same thing.
It gropes a certain race and class of people more aggressively, including old grandma in an adult diaper and “cracker babies”…as “payback” for “years of degradation” at the hands of “these people”.
I put very little credence into anecdotal evidence based on limited experience and no corroboration. But, I heard it from separate sources at separate times, two people who never met and do not know each other. One I know is not a bigot and the other gave no indication of being one, although I can’t vouch for them simply because I know virtually nothing about them personally. The other I know has not a bigoted bone in her body.
There is a clear antipathy toward certain segments of our society. It is not well concealed that southern white males, conservatives, Bible adherents, Republicans, Wall Street denizens, devout Catholics, and pro-life folks are singled out for insults and worse.
Booing God and Israel is also a signal that might be jarring to some.
“It’s our turn” to “turn the tables” and “let THEM see how this feels” is the hallmark of payback politics. It also explains what lies beneath the divisiveness that permeates this entire administration’s course of conduct.
At polling places, in airports, in the media, in academia, in entertainment…a certain class of American citizen is intentionally being slandered, berated, groped, mistreated.
How far and how deep does this go?
For a party that will boo God, there is no limit.
That is going to backfire on them sooooo badly. Plus, it’s just plain mean to target a segment of the population to “payback” who’ve never done anything to deserve it and whose ancestors may not even have been in the country during those troubled years. Worse yet – they want to shove “whitey’s” nose in it when that person may very well have had an ancestor who fought to free THEIR ancestors.
This revenge stuff is only alive and well because black kids are being taught it by their parents, by their churches and by their schools. They need to get over it or get out. I mean it!
Enough blood has been shed on this stupid issue.
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“This revenge stuff is only alive and well because black kids are being taught it by their parents, by their churches and by their schools.”
Sounds a lot like the hate being taught/preached in the Middle East.
The Black Liberation Theology and Islam have more commonality than you may think. Any wonder why the Democrats embrace them both?
“… does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line, who risked all for my people,” Mr. Holder said.”
Your people? I guess I had this silly notion that we were all the same people and that we were all Americans. Strange that we have an Attorney General that sees the world in an “us against them” kind of way. Bigots come in all colors, and Eric Holder simply proves that African Americans can be bigots too. But having a bigot as an Attorney General is not only shameful, it’s dangerous too. Had somebody been killed by a New Black Panther member, or even seriously injured, would Holder have investigated the matter? I guess the blood of a white person doesn’t mean as much to Holder as the blood of a black person.
Like I said, Holder is the Attorney General for ALL Americans, not just African Americans. It’s just shocking that Congress hasn’t moved to impeach this bum yet, especially after Fast and Furious. If the Republicans take over the Senate in November but lose the White House (which could happen), this should be their first order of business. Holder has been an embarrassment since day one and it’s time he loses his job.
If you impeach him in the Republican House and fail to convict in the Democrat Senate, you make him the Poster Child for the Republicans are Racists meme. Sorry, you never move against these people unless you can see it through to the end; there is no way to convict him, so it is almost suicidal to move to impeach him.
The election is less than 2 months away. If all goes as we hope, the issue will be resolved when Obama is defeated. In that case, Holder will be out of office next January 20th. That would solve the immediate problem. If Congress decides that holding hearings into crimes like Fast & Furious are a good use of their time, then they can take on that task next year.
On the other hand, should Obama somehow win the election, there’s still ample opportunity to go after Holder then.
So if you have a 90% black school, do you have to in bus loads of white students just so you can discipine them? This is so crap & next thing you know no one of color can be expelled, so we are raising criminal elements and their victims in the class room.
I would do anything to get my kids out of that atmosphere.
In NY/DC (can’t remember which) but he would not let the blacks have vouchers for their children to send them to better schools!
Why do they still support him? He has done nothing to better their situation!
DC vouchers. Good point. Another ‘Atlas Shrugged’ Riordan Steel excellence thrown away to make some ‘feel good’ and protect ‘the order of things’.
Students that were lucky enough to win the voucher lottery and unfortunate enough to be forced back into public school wasteland were two or more grades ahead.
So what about minority ‘majority’ schools? How about schools in south Texas where the minority is the primary majority?
Murder laws have are racist and should be abolished:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl01.xls
Correct table:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls
It would be ironic if this ended up in people pulling their kids out of the public schools, to teach them themselves, and yet, highly probable, given the end results of a racially motivated disciplinary system.
It is impressive how progressives manage to destroy everything they claim to love.
Just wait until the Department of Education asserts that home-schooling is unconstitutional because it is “elitist” and “undemocratic”. If they can get the Supreme Court to back them up, and also get rulings against charter schools, they effectively set up a situation where the government school is the only option available for the vast majority of students and parents.
I would expect the Obama administration to try banning home schooling in its second term and also go out of their way to make charter schools very difficult to operate. I hope I’m wrong….
I don’t think the article truly gets across how deep this problem is.
Schools ALREADY use different disciplinary modes for students of any color besides white and asian. Those numbers you see are the result of already carefully making sure that whitey gets his.
Understansd what that means.
Black and hispanic children can pretty much do what they want. In internecine conflict, they are usually just seperated. In conflict with whites, both sides are punished. The numbers you’ve got stem from actions that are usually highly criminal.
And Holder wants to make it worse.
It may be selfish of me but I am really glad this will be my wife’s last year teaching. Affirmative action for thugs in school. Who’d a’ thunk it?
Author is a flat-out liar. Nowhere in Holder’s speech did he mention any determination to mandate racial quotas for school discipline. Not even close.
What part of “We’ve often seen that students of color, students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and students with special needs are disproportionately likely to be suspended or expelled,…This is, quite simply, unacceptable. … These unnecessary and destructive policies must be changed,” Don’t you understand? He’s saying that he sees too many “students of color” being suspended or expelled, regardless of how they actually act.
Here is what Holder said:
“[I]n too many places, our children continue to be deprived of educational opportunities as a form of punishment – often for minor infractions or for violations of ineffective, and widely criticized, zero-tolerance policies. Compounding this problem, we’ve often seen that students of color, students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and students with special needs are disproportionately likely to be suspended or expelled.
“A study conducted in Texas just last year found that minority and special needs children who caused what are termed “emotional disturbances” were more likely than white students to be disciplined. In fact, 83 per cent of African American male students and 74 per cent of Hispanic male students ended up in trouble and suspended for some period of time. Among all students suspensions averaged about two days per offense. Minority students facing discipline for the first time tended to be given harsher out of school suspensions, rather than in school suspensions, more often than their white counterparts. Tellingly, 97 per cent of all suspensions were discretionary and reflected the administrator’s discipline philosophy as much as the student’s behavior.
“This is, quite simply, unacceptable.”
I’m not a Holder fan, but he was NOT calling for any kind of quota for disciplining students in this speech. He did call for breaking the ‘school to prison pipeline’ for black males. I don’t think he has any idea how to actually do this, but the article itself is misleading.
The problem is, you are not playing it out to its logical conclusion.
“This is, quite simply, unacceptable.”… says the man who wields the power of the entire DOJ. When a man with that kind of power gets up in your face and says something is unacceptable, it’s a threat. It is never an innocuous statement.
People often think that these people speaking are the same as you or me speaking. They are not. When the President spoke out about the Trayvon Martin situation, it brought down intense focus and political pressure on the situation. As a result, Zimmerman got arrested, is being persecuted, because someone saw a political opportunity for self-advancement.
When you are big and strong, you must be very careful of what you say and do around people. It’s like a very big dog. If he stares at you and does not wag his tail, you get nervous. You have to pay attention, because of the power. It becomes serious.
Holder was saying that, henceforth, he will be looking at your discipline policies and results, and if he doesn’t like it, the DoJ will take action. He did not have to say it to say it. He has the power, and he said it was unacceptable. Big dogs usually only need to bark once for the message to be heard. It was a policy statement… and a threat. It was not inadvertent. He said what he meant and meant what he said. The message was in his power.
This is why we should not elect thugs. They believe in using that power, rather than being careful with it.
Plees lurn to reed befor throwing out attacks based on a prejudicial emotional narrow minded decision
Stalin , the OTHER non citizen Left wing USURPER like Obambi and HITLER , once said ‘Its not the votes that count its WHO counts the votes” . Which would explain the DOJ’s under the RACIST control of Eric Holder’s constant interference in voter photo ID and provisions for Military voting.
What could be more RACIST than presuming it is only Blacks and Hispanics who are too STUPID to be able to obtain a Photo ID as the DOJ and the Dumbocrats and their lackeys the Lame stream EneMedia does.
Look, here is how it works. Certainly victimization slogan and our Reveal Religions have been using it for years. Jesus had a lot to say about oppression and such, individual responsibility well…
1. The learning environment is destroy. Anyone wanting to learn might be in personal dangers.
2. With political movement, you move through the system and learn nothing.
3. Your ascriptive status qualifies you for nothing.
4. Your failure is shown to be a sign of latent racism. You like it because it gives you an alibi.
5. You get offered financial support in return for political support to combat racism.
Great self-licking ice cream cone: automatic failure automatic excuses, with plenty of money in the mix.
It’s all smoke and mirrors. In the district that I teach in, instead of regular suspensions they are now in house suspensions. So a student can tell me to F-off and I will get to see them the next day in school, nice. The stats will go down per school and everybody will look great. How’s that for discipline?
I remember when it was proposed that UC Berkeley limit the number of degrees awarded to whites and Asians to the same percentage as those awarded to blacks and Hispanic students. Hopefully, it simply originated in a brain-storming session where one is supposed to offer up even the zaniest of ideas.
Anyway, there are ways to manipulate the stats to even out the 59% white, 83% black and 74% Hispanic gap. For Asians who often have tutors, let’s call that cheating and label white people participating in study group “gang members” or engaged in “gang activity.” If it’s stats that Mr Holder wants, he’ll have them even though it does nothing to address the root cause of the problem.
President Bush talked about ‘the soft bigotry of low expectations’ and it’s clear that Holder suffers from that.
Obama&Holder, Limited, are steadfastly ignoring that hoary truism that one cannot legislate Social/Cultural Change.
Logic and past experience simply zip over their dodging, ducking heads…nor will these penetrate their solid blinders so firmly in place.
There’s no solution. We’ll have a permanent population on Welfare.
For several generations now, professional educators in public schools have dedicated themselves to the goal of equalizing results for all “students”, with the result that children who are bright and polite find themselves at a disadvantage. “Leave no child behind” translates into deliberately handicapping those who might find themselves ahead if left to their own devices. There is a racial component to this since black children are much more likely to come from dysfunctional families. Whether this comes from nature or nurture or a blend of the two is irrelevant when it involves the future of your own children.
Agreed. Pandering to the lowest common denominator is called COMMUNISM.
After watching both conventions I was still confused as to who to vote for. A friend of mine told me of an online quiz that I found helpful.
http://www.libertyquizzes.org/
Um, this article leaves out something I bet is true (though I have no numbers to prove it). I’m betting more school rule offenders are male and not female. By the administrations standards, they should have gender quotas for discipline too.
typical, knee-jerk liberal response: when in doubt, blame the policy. It can’t possibly the little snowflakes themselves who are misbehaving. No, it has to be some other factor. Liberals refuse to grasp than whenever specifically defined sectors of the population behave in certain ways, it may be those people who are the problem.
Exactly – that’s because libs are idolaters who pretend to believe in group rights, never in individual responsibilities!
And the real problem is simply that the liberals themselves hate personal responsibility, so they avoid it by selling endless group-rights victimology scenarios instead. That way the cowards can pretend to be champions without accusing any individual criminals of their crimes!
In fact, they’d like to make it “illegal” to accuse any criminals of their crimes, if doing so might hurt their feelings!
Emocrats don’t use the higher, cognitive brain functions – they only emote. Too much reacting, not enough problem solving; the fruits of always buying into and re-selling pre-packaged victimology scenarios all the time; they find it much easier to blame others and do nothing, than to help them selves by accepting personal self-reliant responsibility.
These ever-Moving-Forward lemmings or Progressives, only ever really “progress” from the responsibility to become factually, objectively right, to the opinion that they have a subjective right to remain irresponsibly wrong!
“Wagga wagga woozoo n’ I busta cap in yoass honkey!”
Now, now, Jamal – please play nice, or I’ll have to give the white kids more detentions to meet the school quota!
How will mister “my people” handle discipline in predominately black or Hispanic schools? What would be the reaction if a white AG spoke of “my people?” Holder acts like a black version of Bull Conner imposing his version of racism on the entire nation. This isn’t 1960. Segregation and Jim Crow are history. Seeking payback for sins of the past will lead to more race based strife and bloodshed. I think its time for a regime change.
I don’t think all of you understand. These attitudes, the proposals all across the board in every area, the actions and projects already begun, are not intended to do anything good for black people. They are intended to take revenge on ‘Whitey’, for every real and imagined insult and injury ever done to any black in America by any white in America in any year in America. It is a program of revenge, pure and simple. Why are so many blacks anti-Semitic? Racism, not anti-semitism. Why are so many blacks ready to go out and find some white man or woman or child to beat, rape and murder? Racism. We are reaping the crop that was sown a generation or more ago, after the murder of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. … maybe it began even before that. Whenever it started, it is now here. To live in a black-majority neighborhood or city or near one is asking to be discriminated against by the local state and federal governments; it is also asking to be assaulted, robbed, raped adn murdered. Leave.
The continued destruction of America’s public school system.
When it became obvious in the 90s that was one of the unintended consequences of racial and other radical activism, I reflected on all my years of sympathy and defense of intergration. I wondered if I would have been so passionate about it if I had realized that it would destroy our public school system, on which our form of government depends for producing citizens capable of understanding issues and acting intelligently on them.
Why is it that “African-Americans” are always the beneficiaries of every racist regulation instituted by government? This latest Holder notion is another example. It matters not if a person is guilty of misbehavior. What is important is whether there is another, of a different racial background, who is also punished. tit for tat. Isn’t that wonderful! It is always African-Americans who are set upon, although they have been here for 200 years. What about all of those other “minorities” who are no longer thought of as discriminated against, such as the Irish, the Italians, the Lithuanians and all the rest who came, assimilated, and succeeded in a couple of generations? Why do we have an NAACP? Why do we put up with the likes of Sharpton, and Jackson, and Rangel, and Farrakhan, and the rest who have thriven on race issues largely created by themselves while living well above the fray?
What Holder is calling for is a melanin waiver.
The most radical POTUS in US history chose the most racialist AG in US history.
So, did anyone expect a different outcome? Of course not. However, too many whites are willing to look away, simply out of their PC psychosis re race relations.
Therefore, I knew it was important to take note of these challenges, even from Israel –
/2012/08/20/americans-hope-to-change-the-occupant-of-the-white-house-an-anti-american-potus-runs-an-un-american-campaign-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
/2012/07/30/the-racialist-potus-seeks-transformation-via-raced-based-classroom-edicts-say-it-aint-so-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/01/will-barack-hussein-obamas-lawless-justice-department-under-the-aegis-of-ag-holder-finally-fall-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
It’s all about ‘Unity in Diversity’
look up the term.. there is a reason Israel bans that idiocy
It’s all about ‘Unity in Diversity’
look up the term.. there is a reason Israel bans that idiocy
PJM prevents replies to you
Well, Adina, whacha gonna do once the guy’s elected and he hasn’t committed an offense that can arguably be called “impeachable?” We’re stuck with the moron until Nov.