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Up for Obama’s Consideration: Competing House and Senate GOP Shutdown Deals

Republicans confident they're inching toward an end to the shutdown and a deal on the debt ceiling.

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Bill Straub

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October 11, 2013 - 5:33 pm
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WASHINGTON – President Obama was handed two competing Republican blueprints for dealing with the ongoing partial governmental shutdown and the nation’s debt ceiling deadline on Friday but refrained from granting his blessing to either package as talks among the competing sides continued.

Obama met with all 45 Senate Republicans at the White House where they discussed, among other things, a plan being floated by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) that would reopen the partially closed federal government through passage of a stopgap spending measure and a short-term increase in the $16.7 trillion debt ceiling before it is breached on Oct. 17.

In return, a tax imposed by the Affordable Care Act on medical devices – which has attracted criticism from both Democrats and Republicans – would be repealed and federal agencies would be given more flexibility in managing across-the-board budget cuts known as sequestration, subject to congressional oversight.

No deal resulted from the meeting but the factions expressed optimism that they are on the road toward resolution.

“For a president who said he would not negotiate, today’s meeting was a step forward,” said Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.). “Both sides had the opportunity to present their viewpoints and it is important that we are at least talking. I will continue to work with my colleagues – in both the House and Senate – to find a solution so we can remove this uncertainty to focus on restoring our fiscal health and growing the economy.”

Following the two-hour White House get-together, Collins huddled with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) in an effort to pull together various proposals to create a potential bipartisan proposal acceptable to the White House. That package is expected to include provisions extending the federal government’s borrowing capacity to Feb. 1 along with a continuing resolution that will fund operations to April 1. Agencies would be provided with some flexibility in handling spending cuts and set the stage for House-Senate budget negotiations.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, of Kentucky, asserted that “no one wants a default” that could result if the government is unable to borrow the funds needed to pay its bills.

“That’s why, in 50 years of negotiations over multiple debt ceiling increases, we haven’t had a single one,” McConnell said. “So let’s put this hysterical talk of default behind us and instead start talking about finding solutions. There are a variety of ways to get debt and spending under control, a lot of innovative reforms we could consider. But we’ve got to talk to each other to make it all happen.”

Meanwhile, House Republicans, who offered a framework for negotiations during a meeting with Obama on Thursday evening, were busy revising their plan in an effort to make it more attractive to the White House. Under the new proposal, GOP lawmakers expressed a willingness to raise the debt ceiling for a six-week period and reopen government in return for some entitlement reforms.

But early indications are the effort proved futile and the president is more amenable to the Senate framework. Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, said Obama appreciates “the constructive nature of the conversation” he had with House GOP leaders but “he has some concerns with it.”

“A proposal that puts a debt-ceiling increase at only six weeks, tied to budget negotiations, would put us right back where we are today in just six weeks, on the verge of Thanksgiving and the obviously important shopping season leading up to the holidays,” Carney said. “And that would create enormous uncertainty for our economy.”

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Any discussion of a "default" should start by defining the term. The credit rating of the U.S. does not depend upon the government paying the salaries of every one of its employees. Or of making timely payments to government contractors. Or even making medicare or social security payments. None of those are "sovereign" obligations, upon which our credit rating is based. Sovereign obligations are money that the US has borrowed, largely in the form of selling bonds to foreign and domestic investors. The interest on those bonds is the only thing upon which we could default, and the interest of those bonds is a small fraction of the revenues coming into the Treasury from taxes every day. Jack Lew is a stooge, blowing smoke.
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Why are they talking to Obama. The House and the Senate should just get together and agree to something and leave Obama out of the talks, because history has shown that he will torpedo the talks. Just agree to a bill, then dump it on Obama's desk. He'll have to sign it, or he alone will own the resulting mess.
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If the Congress would start following the Constitution, there would be no negotiating with Obama. All funding bills start in the House then go to the Senate, if passed there then it goes to the President. He either agrees by signing it or disagrees with it by vetoing it. Time to put the little dictator in his place.
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Facts: 1) Obamacare WILL collapse in two years time. Please write this down on a yellow stick-it and post it on a conspicuous place in ones humble abode. Why? Is it possible a carefully crafted piece of complex legislation could possibly fail? YES! By the very nature there are so many "dead ends" built into this complex piece of legislation. Secondly, all Rules & Regulations being written ARE NOT BEING DONE TO CORRECT HIS MORASS but to finally take over all Health Care... across all these fruited plains in 2016. A government run "single payer system."
2) Climate change, Global Warming, Carbon Credits what do these have in common? Government take-over of the power/energy sectors of the USA.
Why are so many lobbyist's, former lawmakers, myrid of crony-capitalists lining-up to organize, finalize this massive monopoly by We The Elite People of culture of corruption in all of Washington DC? Check it out, Chicago's Carbon Exchange Commission sole existence is to "regulate carbon credits and debits" worldwide. Ever heard of the Bakken fields? HUH? USA has worlds largest petroleum reserves in the world...a next exporter, if you will.
This "shut down" kabuki theatre is mere show-and-tell for We The "little" People's individual consumption and distraction. Remember always: A progressive's mantra is...1)DEFEND, 2) DEFLECT and 3)DISINFORM. Wake-up America We The "little" People are about to be fleeced into serfdom.Pray. Amen. We're being played like a "hurdy-gurdy" man plays his crowd. Join a Tea Party...learn the truth.
40 weeks ago
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This is what you get, from believers in politics-as-usual ... once again it appears that the GOP leadership is emulating the Scot nobles in Braveheart.

I sincerely hope, that the next few days prove me wrong on this.
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The left wants you to forget that there has been no real formal budget for the last 4 years. Discretionary spending requires an annual legislative appropriation bill. House and Senate Appropriations Committees set discretionary spending for usually one year. However, Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009. What the so-called US government has been doing instead since that time is limping along with “continuing resolutions”, a fact that the Leftstream media ensures everybody forgets.

The Lying Leftist Scum in the White House and his minions have endless rationalization to justify their fiscal irresponsibility to the US, including “A budget isn’t necessary (I.e, ignore the Constitution); budget resolutions don’t have the force of law (i.e., deliberate irresponsibility in writing and passing Congressional laws that have ignored specific penalties for failure to uphold those laws); appropriations bills are where spending is allocated (appropriations bills mean little if there is no overarching understanding and commitment to total appropriation for the government as a whole, a case of refusing to see the forest for the trees); while the budget provides a long-term framework for spending and revenue, lawmakers don’t actually have to pass one (circular reasoning via the prior points); while the Senate is legally required to pass a budget, there is no penalty for not doing so (i.e., again, blanket irresponsibility in writing and passing Congressional laws that have ignored specific penalties for failure to uphold those laws).

Here's the reality that TPTB try to hide from you: There are now and will continue to be 10x more tax revenues than are required to pay the interest on the debt. It is absurd to say the Federal government is in any danger of debt default, just as it would be to say that a man who makes $10k per month is in imminent danger of losing his house because he has to make an $850 mortgage payment every month.

Isn't it interesting that the leftists and their lackeys in the Leftstream Media are all, repeat ALL currently using the term “clean”, as in 'clean continuing resolution' ??? It's almost as if there's a vast left-wing conspiracy that instiguates standard plots for lock-step uniformity of language in re-defining definitions, pushing associated memes, and retaining control of the discourse. Gee, regardless of the Frankfurt School and all that's come after it, who would have ever guessed that they would stoop to such things ???

One more aspect to consider: U.S. governmental commitments such as Medicare and the rest of the Social Security system are not part of the US budget. They are off-budget items, paid out of the Social Security trust. Social Security is not part of the Federal budget.

Default is not ever going to happen. Of course, to deal with an actual situation of not increasing the nation's heretofore unlimited credit limit, it would be just like that Lying Leftist Scum in the White House (LSHW) to suspend the debt payments and keep all other transfer payments flowing to his racist worshipers (aka constituents). As per the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, that is an impeachable offense. Unless and until the LSWH decides to ignore the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, then at that point whatever remains of a GOP backbone should impeach the 3rd-world affirmative action parasite befouling the White House.
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What a worthless bunch of MutherF__ers we have in the R party. I think we should start electing spineless jellyfish to represent us as they R party has totally given up any idea of reducing the Leviathan.
40 weeks ago
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A pox on both their houses!
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Let's see, the house GOP stumbled into a principled stand against Obama and Reid's dictatorial "my way or the highway. Now the senate GOP, led by that estimable Conservative, Sen. Collins, is undercutting them with another fig leaf, go-along-get-along deal. Sounds like another RINO rout to me.
40 weeks ago
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Any discussion of a "default" should start by defining the term. The credit rating of the U.S. does not depend upon the government paying the salaries of every one of its employees. Or of making timely payments to government contractors. Or even making medicare or social security payments. None of those are "sovereign" obligations, upon which our credit rating is based. Sovereign obligations are money that the US has borrowed, largely in the form of selling bonds to foreign and domestic investors. The interest on those bonds is the only thing upon which we could default, and the interest of those bonds is a small fraction of the revenues coming into the Treasury from taxes every day. Jack Lew is a stooge, blowing smoke.
40 weeks ago
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Why are they talking to Obama. The House and the Senate should just get together and agree to something and leave Obama out of the talks, because history has shown that he will torpedo the talks. Just agree to a bill, then dump it on Obama's desk. He'll have to sign it, or he alone will own the resulting mess.
40 weeks ago
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Sounds like how the government is supposed to work- and doesn't. Nothing that Obama doesn't like will get to him through Harry Reid's Senate Dems. It would take a majority of Sen. Dems just to force the bill to the floor for a vote, and there isn't that much guts or responsibility in the bunch of them. Or in the Senate RINOs.
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I am reminded of the system of Mongol rule in Russia. The Khan of the Golden Horde would have a competition between the princes of the Russian city states every 10 years or so. The object of the competition was who would best oppress their own people for the benefit of the Mongols. The winner got the authority of the Khan to act as overlord of the rest of Russia for the Mongols' benefit. Moscow was very good at it and became the leading Russian city.

There seems to be a similar competition going on between the Institutional Republicans of the House and Senate as to who can most oppress Americans for the benefit of the Democrats.

****sigh****

Subotai Bahadur
40 weeks ago
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If the Congress would start following the Constitution, there would be no negotiating with Obama. All funding bills start in the House then go to the Senate, if passed there then it goes to the President. He either agrees by signing it or disagrees with it by vetoing it. Time to put the little dictator in his place.
40 weeks ago
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