(26: Thank you Oleg, it’s very sweet of you.)

Now, back to you, Mr. IndependAnt:

(Marina, the rational you gave in your response as proof that the former USSR was a socialist country and not a communist country was simply in it’s name. Forgetting the absurdity of that position consider this; the official name of North Korea is the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. By your standard just because North Korea’s leadership says that their country is a democratic republic then it is. So I’ll ask you, do you think North Korea is a democratic republic? Of course not. By the same token the former USSR was not a socialist country.)

You would have been absolutely right, if it had been my ONLY argument. “Democratic” in a name doesn’t make you a real democrat. The best exapmle is the s.c. DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF THE USA, promoting marxist state-dictatorship.

(…Your final point concerning my information sources is also false. The justifications for my statements are not based on an article in the Wikipedia or a comedy show but are based on the writings of the two men who invented the modern concepts)

You mean Laurel and Hardy? You cannot be serious calling the concepts of Marx-n-Engels “modern”, can you? The monsters lived in the 19th (!!!!!!!!!!!) century. We live in the 21st, if you need to be reminded. “Back to the future”? Rather “Forwards to the past”. “Modern”. Don’t be ridiculous!

(If you’re interested in learning for yourself what these concepts refer to I suggest reading the Manifesto of the Communist Party. And if you do find an instance where Marx or Engels actually do define communism and socialism as you do, please state the page number of where that is on this website.)

You’re kidding me. Is the Manifesto the only thing you’ve read from your gurus? The monsters suffered from verbal diarrhea. The concepts are not from the Manifesto. They’re from “Die deutsche Ideologie” by Marx. Here’s the original text:

“Nun aber besteht eines der wesentlichsten Prinzipien des Kommunismus, wodurch er sich von jedem reaktionären Sozialismus unterscheidet, in der auf die Natur des Menschen begründeten empirischen Ansicht, daß die Unterschiede des Kopfes und der intellektuellen Fähigkeiten überhaupt keine Unterschiede des Magens und der physischen Bedürfnisse bedingen; daß mithin der falsche, auf unsre bestehenden Verhältnisse begründete Satz: »Jedem nach seinen Fähigkeiten«, sofern er sich auf den Genuß im engeren Sinne bezieht, umgewandelt werden muß in den Satz: Jedem nach Bedürfnis; daß, mit andern Worten, die Verschiedenheit in der Tätigkeit, in den Arbeiten, keine Ungleichheit, kein Vorrecht des Besitzes und Genusses begründet”.

http://www.zeno.org/Philosophie/M/Marx,+Karl/Die+deutsche+Ideologie

I’m sure you’re able to find the English text yourself. This is the foundation of both s.c. PRINCIPLES, that of COMMUNISM (“to everyone according to his needs”) and that of SOCIALISM (“to everyone according to his abilities”).
That is the main difference between Socialism and Communism, NOT A WORD ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

Now to DEMOCRACY. (You say: On your second point that the differences between communism and socialism are economic and not political, that is also false. In both instances the government controls the means of production, distribution, and finance. The only difference is the political mechanism that is used to achieve that. In the case of communism it’s a dictatorship and in the case of socialism it’s democracy.) REALLY? Did “The Manifesto” tell you that? Or was it Jon Stewart after all? Roseanne Barr? Maaaatt Daaaaamon? Whatever. Listen to one of your disgusting gurus:

“Aber die bloße Demokratie ist nicht fähig, soziale Übel zu heilen. Die demokratische Gleichheit ist eine Chimäre, der Kampf der Armen gegen die Reichen kann nicht auf dem Boden der Demokratie oder der Politik überhaupt ausgekämpft werden. Auch diese Stufe ist also nur ein Übergang, das letzte rein politische Mittel, das noch zu versuchen ist und aus dem sich sogleich ein neues Element, ein über alles politische Wesen hinausgehendes Prinzip entwickeln muß.
Dies Prinzip ist das des Sozialismus.” (F. ENGELS, Die Lage Englands).

http://www.zeno.org/Philosophie/M/Engels,+Friedrich/Die+Lage+Englands.

Find the English text yourself. What Engels says is the DEMOCRACY IS UNABLE TO CURE SOCIAL EVIL. “DEMOCRATIC EQUALITY IS A CHIMERA” The fight between the poor and the rich CANNOT be led on the platform of DEMOCRACY. The only way is to apply the principle of SOCIALISM. Tah-dah!

So, dear Mr. IndependAnt, you wanted quotes, I gave them to you. Now tit for tat.
I still wanna know where this bull…t about “communism is a dictatorship and socialism is a democracy” comes from. Quotes and links, please!

But be very, VERY carefull what you’re qouting. Remember, I can read it IN ORIGINAL and IN CONTEXT.

I will post and repost this entry untill you give me what I want, honey.
Bye.

Workers are paying into a system that lay-offs, down sizing, and restructuring, profits the company and the stockholder unless of course you are the worker who was laid-off, down-sized, and restructured.

The Unions know what business knows. If it’s not in writing it doesn’t mean a thing. The conditions of the working man and woman were appalling and still are appalling in many parts of the world. Business Conglomerates has skipped every step they could because they have lived by the convenient mantra “Greed is good”, for them at least.

The Union wants to get rid of an extra hoop requiring them to get a majority of cards signed to even be exposed to the workers and show them what they offer and that is understandable. That businesses wants to keep the extra hoop that Unions go through is understandable.
Just for once be honest and admit that it’s all about the numbers and not about the workers. We see that now with the stock market rising while unemployment continues it’s climb. We see the stimulus money used to pay bonuses because business conglomerates know to keep the inner circle happy so that their free for them can continue. Bonuses are not paid for the performance of the company but for their performance in turning a blind eye to business as usual (wink, wink).

The Soviet Union did all it could to hang heavy yokes around the people for the benefit of the few. They used the workers and the workers union to benefit the party. The Soviet Union and now Russia have nothing to offer because they have sucked the soul from the people 360 degrees whether in the name of the people or in the name of the state. Of course there are the few insanely wealthy that continue to whoop it up in Moscow.

You are going to have to wait another few generations before the people will forget and the history books are erased telling the story of how the United States was built off the backs of ordinary people and their little children. Everything they asked for was begrudgingly given from schooling, to decent working hours, to decent working conditions, to half-assed job security. Even fighting and dieing and getting wounded in bloody wars did not guarantee fair treatment and many benefits that veterans enjoy today were fought for with tooth and nail.

You think that because you now live under the Constitution that suddenly it’s the big bad government that is out to get the lowly poor business man who just wants to make a living and help bring some others up with him. The bones on this Country are the Bill of Rights where all men are created equal endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Even the founding fathers knew to take the worth of a man out of the hands of other men. According to you that Union was somehow not necessary to establish and make sure this country did not fall into the same old world of the benefit of the few at the expense of the many.

Your living in a Real Union now buddy, not a fake Union where you came from. Get used to it. We still haven’t forgotten and some are learning now, that if it’s not in writing it doesn’t mean anything.

And crime syndicates.

Jimmy Hoffa? Say . . . how’d you like to have a Chicago union plumber fix your toilet?

Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm.

Communists are simply Socialists in a hurry.

He that looks the other way and who trust his known enemies that would die for their cause .

Could just as well make and argument to trust a Cobra in his kind and understanding loving hands .
The old farmer found a Cobra lying on the road almost dead of the frozen cold . He gently picked if up and rapped his own coat around the Cobra to save the Cobra’s life and warm him up . The Cobra laid there almost dead in front of his warm fire place for weeks .
The old farmer feed and nursed the Cobra until it was warm outside . So one day he opened his door to set the Cobra on his way .
When headed for the door the Cobra suddenly turned and bit the old Farmer for no reason at all .
He said to the Cobra … I trusted you , saved you , feed you and warmed you, how could you kill me ?
The Cobra said I did nothing wrong you fool .
I did what Cobra’s naturally do .
As do all your enemies with a cause .
Any Country or person that Trust his known enemies hands his fate to the Cobra .
Obama is doing what Cobra Naturally .
The Art of War
(required reading) , countless hours of study )and test for ReCon Marines