thanks for the nice words. Frankly speaking I hoped the Honey-Bunny will never appear (at least on this thread) again after my last post. But look: here he is, as intellectual as usual. Do they have any self-respect on the Left? I doubt. Otherwise how can they vote Democrat, the party of “the-state-knows-better-what-is-good-for-me”?

you REPEAT YOURSELF, and when a comedian repeats himself, he’s getting BORING. Remember what I told you? I use you for my personal AMUSEMENT. So, please, darling, stop repeating yourself and start to amuse me again. Or I start to ignore you, like I do with any other troll.

As to your belief that I’m a Marxist once again you wrong. You continue to make assumptions instead of asking questions. If you had actually read my posts you would would have read my comments about the pitfalls of socialism (Part I, Post 17) and my comments about the virtues of democray (Part II, Post 29, 36, 47). My first comments on this seriers of articles was that it’s author (and others including you) should learn what the concepts you’re writting about actually refer to. Apparently you don’t understand what demcracy refers to either.

And yes I do expect you to read in order to find FACTS to support your position. I’ve clearly stated my postion. You stated that you have read ‘The German Ideology’ (you dodged the question as to if you’ve read ‘The Manifesto of the Communist Party’) and stated you didn’t see a word of what I’ve suggested. I’ve asked you to prove it and your only response was to send a quote and link to a site in foreign language. That’s not a response. That’s an attempt at deception. If there is a specific statement written in those manuscripts that state that socialism will be completely divorced from democracy prove it. A real scientist wants to know if he or she is wrong.

I noticied you didn’t answer my question, what exactly is communism a transition from?

I think you’ve now explained why you seem unable to understand the concepts we’ve been discussing. You wrote in post (#15) “English is NOT my native language”; you’re still learning english. Marina if you don’t understand something you should ask for an explanation. That’s how adults learn. If you’ve read previous posts I’ve written in various articles you’ll notice a recurring theme, I ask questions. I honestly pity you that you’re so angry over whatever wrongs you’ve percieved (or actually) had done against you, that you cannot learn.

As you say, his pompous attempts to rebut Oleg, who knows both practically and theoretically, what communism and socialism are about..are a riot – the ‘gift that keeps on giving’.

It’s incredible how the poor guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about..and yet, keeps slugging away at the same fallacies. Yes, his assertion that The German Ideology was first published in Russian is a classic.

Equally, his attempt to define a union as ‘good’ because he says it’s akin to a national legislature. False analogy.

Thanks for your excellent posts.

“If you want to convince me of your position …”

NO, I actually don’t. I just want you to make a fool of yourself, to show how empty and stupid your side is. Your only argument is “Prove me YOU’re right” because YOU HAVE NO REAL ARGUMENTS FOR YOUR POINT, don’t you, honey? ‘Cause if you do, WHERE ARE THOSE QUOTES AND LINKS I want from you?????????????

There is none! Because neither Marx, nor Engels have ever linked Socialism to democracy. I know it, you still don’t. I even believe you still hope to find it (my goodnes, it’s fun!). I’m sure you run from one teacher to another asking where the source is. They won’t tell you, but they’ll be ashamed to confess it, so they’ll send you to the library: read this and read that. And you know you don’t have enough time to read all that crap to prove me wrong. And I know that even if you’d be able to read it, you’d find NOTHING. YOUR TEACHERS LIE TO YOU as their professors lied to them. And now you come here and try to spread that lie among us, REALLY INFORMED people. It’ so funny to watch!

Doing it you already make a fool of yourself. I just ad insult to injury. I usually ignore trolls, but YOU, baby, are a gift that just keeps on giving. THANK YOU. I really enjoy it.

O.k., first time, when you attacked Oleg, I was really pissed off, because Oleg lived in a marxist country, he went through the marxist hell, he was INDOCTRINATED in marxism. He knows marxism in theory and in practice much better than the whole brain-eating Teachers UNION does. AND YOU DARE TO TEACH HIM AND TO TELL HIM HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND SOCIALISM. Yeah, that time I was pissed off.

But then I’ve read your answer and it was like “comedy alert!”. You’re just too good to let you go. Believe me, it’s SO MUCH FUN!

(“You stated in your last post that your justification for believing the USSR was a socialist country and not a communist one was not based on just the wording of the country. You neglected to state what your other justification(s) were though. I’m sure that was an oversight on your part. I’m still waiting for your explanation.”)

Well, I actually explained it, with a quote from Marx, but you want the Russian “original” or the English traslation. Marx says that the Principle of COMMUNISM is “Jedem nach Bedürfnis” = “To everyone according to his NEEDS”
http://www.zeno.org/Philosophie/M/Marx,+Karl/Die+deutsche+Ideologie

It means that the state will DECIDE WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE and then REDISTRIBUTE WHAT IS LEFT FROM THE WEALTH. Practically you’ll come to the state and say: “I need a house” and the state will give it to you. And the other guy will say: “And I need a car” and he’ll get it. And the third one will come and say: “And I need a jet”, and the state will… oh, wait. The state will not, because there will not be enough idiots who will work for all the “needies”. Ever dropping productivity vs. ever growing needs… That’s why COMMUNISM IS AN ECONOMIC UTOPIA, i.e. it cannot be built at all. NOWHERE. (Which doesn’t prevent retards like Obama try it again and again, but what can we say? – Harvard professors also need brains to eat).
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Now prove YOUR point! Where are YOUR quotes and links?

(“Now the one thing that you did correctly state (but seem unable to understand) was that Engel’s did believe that democracy could not cure social evil, thus the goal of communism. So my question to you is what exactly is communism a transition from?”.)

1. The b…ch’s name was Engels.
2. “The goal of communism”. O.k. sweety, the quote again:
“Aber die bloße DEMOKRATIE ist nicht fähig, soziale Übel zu heilen. Die demokratische Gleichheit ist eine Chimäre, der Kampf der Armen gegen die Reichen kann nicht auf dem Boden der Demokratie oder der Politik überhaupt ausgekämpft werden. Auch diese Stufe ist also nur ein Übergang, das letzte rein politische Mittel, das noch zu versuchen ist und aus dem sich sogleich ein neues Element, ein über alles politische Wesen hinausgehendes Prinzip entwickeln muß.
Dies Prinzip ist das des SOZIALISMUS.” (F. Engels, Die Lage Englands).
http://www.zeno.org/Philosophie/M/Engels,+Friedrich/Die+Lage+Englands.

Engels doesn’t believe in democracy and CALLS the only way to solve the problems of “social evil” SOZIALISMUS. Now, honey, “Sozialismus” in German means SOCIALISM. COMMUNISM in German is “Kommunismus”. So, baby, it’s DEMOCRACY vs. SOCIALISM, not vs. COMMUNISM he’s talking about.

And find the English text yourself, I’m not gonna do your homework.

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Your QUOTES and LINKS, darling, don’t forget.

WHERE ARE THE QUOTES AND LINKS I’M WAITING FOR????????????????

Now to your post, baby.

So, you don’t like me quoting the original, do you? O.k. you state that MARX HAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN A BOOK IN RUSSIAN (the language he NEVER STUDIED, NEVER SPOKE, wow) and then some genius had TRANSLATED IT INTO MARX’s NATIVE LANGUAGE. Wow… Wow, baby… No brain left, sweety? TEACHERS UNION, baby, toldja.

O.k., o.k., if you really believe this bullsh…t, please, give me the link to the “original” text. I’ll find you the quote and translate it for you.
OH, YEAH, I forgot to tell you, I STUDIED RUSSIAN IN COLLEGE, I can read that “ORIGINAL” too.

“If you wanted to you could have selected a quote written in English but you didn’t. If you’re going to try and lie I’m going to call you out on it”.

OMG, I’M SCAAAAAARED…. Honey, as you’ve noticed from my mistakes, English is NOT my native language. Why should I use a foreign translation if I can read the original? You don’t expect me to read all this crap again, but this time in a translation, JUST TO PLEASE YOU, do you? YOU are a marxist! You have to know your sources! Go and read it, it will make YOU happy, as it makes ME puke.

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And don’t forget QUOTES AND LINKS to prove your point “socialism is a democracy” (if they exist, of course).