UCSD Students Seek Official Condemnation of Pro-Holocaust Statement
As everyone might have expected, and is sadly typical of the anti-Israel party, Albahri attempted to contort the situation in order to victimize herself. She seeks to turn the matter of supporting genocide into a complicated and multifaceted topic, when in reality it is one of the rare aspects of life that is black and white; you are either for or against it. There is no middle ground.
The claim that Horowitz emotionally abused Albahri is being trumpeted by the so-called “pro-Palestinians,” who have so far only defended and excused Albahri instead of condemning her flagrant support for genocide. And if that’s not enough, Albahri goes on to admit her own ignorance about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as well as expose her own hypocrisy about her support for Hamas:
In addition, Mr. Horowitz asked me to condemn Hamas as a genocidal organization; which to my limited knowledge on the subject, is another unsupported claim made by Mr. Horowitz.
AdvertisementMy opinion of Hamas is not as simple as condemn or condone, “for it” or “against it.” I firmly believe that the killing of civilians … is one of the highest crimes in the eyes of God and is morally reprehensible and abhorrent. But I condone Hamas in its ambition to liberate the Palestinian people.
Albahri admits to her own “limited knowledge” while at the same time refuting the claim that Hamas is a genocidal organization. Any simpleton who has ever taken the time to read the Hamas charter or simply research the organization will find numerous statements within the charter blatantly propagating the extermination of Jews everywhere. Clearly, Albahri has yet to perform sufficient research on the conflict to be considered anything in the way of an informed participant. This begs a couple questions: Why did she think herself capable of standing up to David Horowitz, someone with much more experience and knowledge on the subject? Was it Albahri’s way of playing into the rebel stereotype, of standing up to authority despite her lack of credibility of which she is clearly unaware?
As for Albahri’s support of Hamas, she explicitly condemns the murder of innocent civilians and even alludes (barely) to the idea that Hamas is guilty of this. In her own words, killing civilians “is one of the highest crimes of God.” Wouldn’t it then follow that an organization that engages in criminal activity is, by logical extension, a criminal organization? One cannot say the mafia is not a criminal organization when it is plainly guilty of murder and theft. Likewise, Albahri, by her own logic, cannot say that Hamas is not a criminal organization when they engage in what she describes as “one of the highest crimes of God.” But I suppose such logical fallacies matter very little to her.
Albahri, for all her apparent passion for the Palestinian cause, is blind to her own hypocrisy and ignorance. This is true of most bandwagon Muslim radicals and anti-Israelis. While I doubt the sincerity of Albahri’s “apology,” the sincerity of her pro-genocide comment does not matter. Propagation of genocide has absolutely no place in our society, much less in our schools.
This is not acceptable, and it will be stopped. Please sign the petition to UCSD Chancellor Fox today.
I have said it before at this site, but it bears repeating, particularly after one of MSA’s ex officers admitted her genocidal fantasies concerning Jews- all her protestations to the contrary..
MSA is, and has always been, an appendage, a product of the Muslim Brotherhood-a lethal,multi-hydra, Islamist terror organization. If not for the fact that US universities are rife with Saudi/Gulf petro dollars, (as well as other western campuses)the MSA would never have taken a foothold, and a stranglehold on their campuses.
Administrators and faculties have been bought and paid for by a genocidal organization, embedded on their campuses under the guise of a ‘student’ organization.As if. Truth be told, I started to research very thoroughly, perform a mother’s due diligence, on this Islamist tentacled organization when my sons entered college.
What I found out made me livid with rage and very afraid for the (hapless and captive) students. To wit, I kept a watchful eye on the MSA at MIT from 2003-2007, monitoring what kind of speakers they brought onto campus etc.
Par for their terror course, their speakers were venomous anti-semites, always railing against the ‘zionist entity’, often smacking down imperialist America to boot.(Talk about biting the country which feeds you.) I tried repeatedly, but to no avail, for 4 years to get MIT Hillel to sponsor several pro Israel speakers, academics of note by any standard, who agreed to speak.They included, Dr Richard Landes of Pallywood fame, Dr Kenneth Levin, The Oslo Syndrome:Delusions of A People Under Siege, Dr Eugene Narrett, expert in Middle East History, as well as others. To their utter shame, Hillel refused to ‘rock the boat’ with their MSA counterparts. In other words, rocking the boat, to their PC addled leadership, meant not countering a genocidal organization.Orwellian.
It gets worse.Readers should recall one of the main conspirators of 9/11/01 hailed from the MSA leadership-at MIT no less,Ms Sidiqqui, a Pakistani foreign student granted entry to study, all in the name of multicultural psychosis.
I truly hope that the UCSD gets their official condemnation, but I also hope they do not stop there. For if they do not work to expose the MSA for the terror organization that it is, surely they will have achieved little, but an empty mea culpa, soon to be forgotten.
This episode actually gives the students an opening to finally ! out/unmask the MSA, exposing its Muslim Brotherhood roots, roots firmly planted on US campuses in order to undermine the US from within, via the next generation of leaders and voters.In other words, what they call the ‘stealth jihad’, (otherwise innocuously termed da’wa)up until they are strong enough to go in for the actual kill.
I ain’t kidding, and for further backup to the above read, The Muslim Mafia, by Gaubatz and Sperry. Then pass it around, and around……..
I say thing jokingly, but would you consider becoming an advisor to our State Department? or Dept. of Homeland Security? Maybe not now, because they’re not listening, but when we take back the White House in 2012?
Your comments are so interesting, because of who you are and the context in which they are written. Thank you so much.
And two sons at MIT? Yow, good work, mom.
Albahri, perhaps, misplaced a few words.
Uh Huh! and Nixon deleted a few expletives!
The university’s admininstration, and I assume most of the faculty, shall like the Menschniks, go to the wall when the Caliphate (like the Bolsheviks) overruns us.
So they’ll get theirs, not to worry.
But the other students shouldn’t wait for the New Caliphate. They should stuff a stopper in the ignorant little porker’s mouth ASAP.
Kathy L, thanks for the compliment, even if tongue-in-cheek.
Actually, one graduated MIT, the other Caltech. Since there is very little political indoctrination going on at Caltech I left it out of the mix.
But just for the record, out of all the schools within the crazy US system, I confer Best School status to Caltech, a place where students indulge in pure research, active scientifc collaboration, and next to nothing in indoctrination. They do NOT suffer fools.
MIT, on the other hand, is a great scientific powerhouse, but its achilles heel is that it is based in Cambridge-the looniest bastion of leftism on the east coast-a holding the nose affair when visiting-plus it suffers delusions from its close proximity to Harvard, hijacked lock, stock and barrel by Arab petro dollars.
Really.
She has every right to speak her mind, as repellant and ignorant as it is.
It is not the business of UCSD to insert itself into such matters. This childish footstomping about “hate speech” is a demented an immature artefact of leftist ideology, and we should not legitimize it with our participation.
Identify this idiot girl. Loudly and clearly. Let us all see her and know where she is. Refuse to employ such a disgusting cretin. Let her sickening backward ignorance haunt her until she proves she wishes to repent and join the civilized world.
“Hate speech” denunciations are a weapon easily turned against anyone. They also, strangely, minimize the consequences of her beliefs. She ought to be expelled . . . or ignored.
Expelled? Not to big a believer in the First Amendment, are you?
If she were a white student talking about black people? Maybe not expelled, but the admin would waste no time in condemning her and her organization. In college, some speech is more free than others.
Which makes me wonder – What, if anything, does FIRE have to say about this incident?
She should be expelled, and it would not be a violation of the First Amendment. For one, the Constitution is binding upon the three branches of government: legislative, executive, judicial. It does not guarantee freedom from all consequences for one’s words. If it were a man calling for the death of a woman, simply for refusing to have sex with him, the University of California would not delay expulsion proceedings.
Second, she openly espoused the murder of a guest of her educational institution, bringing even more dishonor to UCSD. But the history of UCSD’s “honor” doesn’t give me hope that they’ll suddenly start caring.
It is always interesting how, when it is the Left or the anti-Semites or the anti-Republicans who express themselves, “hate speech” is a terrible term, a bad label, and freedom of speech trumps all.
But let someone criticize Al Gore, or heckle an approved minority speaker, or question a Left-ward trope, and not only is “Hate Speech” openly thrown about, but also there’s a need for sensitivity training and the like.
You might almost think that there’s a pattern of “Hate speech is thee, but does not apply to me” at work….
While this genocidal cretin can speak her mind (please do!!) and escape sanctions from UCSD, the same is NOT true of the MSA. If it can be shown that the MSA is a bigoted organization supporting both genocide, antisemitism, and attempts to suppress other’s free speech–all of which the MSA supports–then the MSA should be sanctioned and removed from campus.
After all, individual students can join the Ku Klux Klan (or Nazis, or Communists, etc., etc.) and/or have opinions that are equally contemptible as Albari. UCSD has no business involving itself with their thoughts or opinions. But any organization such as the Klan, Nazis, or MSA that support a racist, genocidal policies should be sanctioned and removed from any approved UCSD organizations (and thus able to accept student activity fees and use campus facilities.
Not that this will be done, of course. Because the left just loves them their enemies and Israel and Jews are their enemy right now. Any organization that hates and despises Israel and the USA are automatically allies of the left. So UCSD will do nothing to remove the MSA from campus and will assist the MSA by fixedly ignoring their many transgressions. Because, after all, muslims are an oppressed religion.
You will find that the general attitude of educated and westernised Muslims from Bangladesh and Indonesia, to name but two countries, are wholly different from those who grow up in that manufactured cauldron of hate in the ME. That cauldron has been exported to the UK, the US, Canada, and in various parts of Europe. In those areas, Islam is the “Religion of Piece” where religion is used as a ram to load the political and tribal control cannon in favour of the Imams, Mullahs and tribal chieftains, using the negative and stultifying influence of hate, rather than positive human values.
Imbuing children with hate is probably one of the most interesting forms of torture approved by people who care not about other people, only themselves and their self-serving objectives. It creates a monocular culture that has nothing else to offer but its hate, so these people are automatically and only fit to serve conflict. it is basic programming, dark, evil, dehumanising, but merely basic programming nonetheless. That it is a travesty and the ultimate cruelty to children is an irrelevancy to those who want to use them to their purposes. To an extent it is like Stockholm syndrome where those victims of it are not even aware of their self-imposed insanity.
These people would be sad if they were not so dangerous – not because of their competence, which is marginal, but because of their unwitting subjection to being used by the entire leftist media and Liberal Fascist politicians in the US and other western countries to destroy the positive, loving, God-based culture that used to predominate with the Enlightenment infused Juedo-Christian culture.
Evil is a nasty thing when it seeps in while we are told to not pay attention to it.
“..A Muslim student’s shocking support for a second Holocaust…”
Who found this to be shocking? Given the positions of various muslim organizations MSA, Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR etc. this view is held by a significant number(not a majority) of muslims. And student activist types tend to include a lot of folks with the most extreme views.
There is such a thing as “social probation” for students who behave in an uncivilized fashion.
I went to UCSD. I got to know Jordanian Muslim students at SDSU. They made it clear to me they looked forward to Israel getting nuked.
I graduated from UCSD too. I immediately sent an email to every administration official I could find including those on the Alumni staff. I received the “stock” reply from the Dean which looked to be written by a lawyer as it didn’t even directly recognize what the MSA student had said, merely that (and I quote)
we were distressed to learn … a student appeared to support a position that many have interpreted as a threat to those of the Jewish faith; this causes us great concern.
They weren’t distressed to learn that a student did in fact support the coalescing of Jews into one place to make it easier for Hezbollah to kill them all. No , there were three levels of arms-length abstractions when they referred to what the student said. They were clearly scared of simply saying the plain truth.
I agree that the most that should happen is that she should be morally shunned by polite society. But if an administration is going to write a letter about the incident, one would like to think they had the balls to at least describe it in plain terms.
I only wish I were a high-flying alumni supporter so that I when I stop sending money, it would make a difference!
Albahri is a coward. When the light in shone on this racist cockroach, she hides under the rug. She knows as well as everybody eles what she said and ment !!! I do not know who is the larger COWARD, her or the University.
There is such a thing as expulsion for students who advocate murder.
UCSD is a STATE school. It permits racism because the state supports racism.
Thank you adina- I too have be alarmed by the propaganda and acceptance of anti-Israel groups on USA campuses- under the free speech and fairness guise they are free to preach genocidal fantasy of killing JEWS-while excluding pro Israel groups by threat of violence from MUSLIMS- MUSLIMS hate and want to kill JEWS is not a shock if you ever speak to nay of them, most are programmed tothink this way, they suffer years of indoctrinations in false history – but they are teaching it too a young less informed group that did not grow up this way and packaging it as “human rights” or green to SELL IT to our children who really are easily fooled by these words–
All of you didn’t mention ISM one of the nastiest campus groups funded by communists- the one that duped poor Rachel Corrie into ‘defending” Palestinian homes (see footgage–there were no homes only weapons sumuggling tunnels)- Palis know a dead American girl is worth 500 dead Palis in news value and most likely pushed her under it. They do not value life or the lives of their children they will not hesitate to sacrifice yor child-
I would like to clarify what people refer to as “free speech” – these laws pertain only to GOVT shutting down o criminalizing your speech- The law does not pertain to private venues such as campuses who wholly control speech in student newspapers, events and venues.
Why could Amedinjhad speak freely to our kids at Columbia under the rubrick of “sharing ideas” but David Horowitz, Spencer and other pro ISraeli speakers cannot? why was it allowed for Muslims to shout down the Israeli ambassador’s INVITED speech. To make riots and hold hate events?
People are tired of hearing it but sorry anti ZIONIST is just a cover for the very old same old JEWHATE- a way to elude ridicule- and with increasing MUSLIMIFICATION of our nation, incrasing “tolerance” for jewhate itis only a matter o time before we see real violence inthe streets like in EU and Scandanavia, where JEws re no longer safe and JEWHATERS gain increasing boldness to come from their closets.
Isahiah62, interesting that you mention the notorious ISM when responding to my post.
From 2005-2007, I helped investigative journalist, Lee Kaplan, put together several eye popping, jaw dropping exposes re the ISM, in particular, the fact that it used IRS tax exempt rules as a non-profit(for heavens sake)to shield its terror funds.
As the co-owner of a corporate tax practice, with clients mainly in NYC and NJ, our firm also conducted audits for non profit entities. In this regard, I exercised my forensic accounting expertise to comb through-line by line-several years worth of tax returns from the ISM, plus all their supporting schedules. Their 990 forms, filed under 501c(3) rules had many infractions. As a result, not only were the findings posted at FrontpageMagazine, but they were handed over to the IRS Criminal Division overseeing non-profits.
By the way, the ISM is still ! active on ALL major campuses, the UC campuses most prominently.
I will see if I can find the links for the posters who are interested.
Excellent job Adina!
I will probably soil myself if any part, any element, any department, any faculty member of the UC system formally condemns this woman.
I mean really, whom are we trying to kid?
Sadly, the Muslim Brotherhood goes far back, and it’s hatred of Jews is not fluke. The Mufti of Jerusalem was a friend of Hitler, and helped to raise an entire division (Handschar) for the Waffen-SS. More here, although there are plenty of other sites and images of these troops.
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm
After the war, these Muslim SS veterans returned to the Middle East, and have raised children and grand children and continued their support of Jewish Genocide. In fact, their support of NAZI ideology helped expand and strengthen the hold of Wahabism in Saudi Arabia, and other Arab states.
There are many players on the Muslim side of this game, but the hatred of Israel and Judaism runs deep, and extends far back through the last century.
Respects,
An important book on this subject to read is, ‘Jihad and Jew Hatred, Islamism, Nazism and the Roots of 9/11′, by Matthias Kuntzel, a very well respected political scientist in Hamburg, Germany.
I implore all the interested readers to get this book, as it explains in full detail the HISTORY, the MORPHING of Islamism and Nazism. In fact, the Mufti of Jerusalem and his SS brigades even outNazied the Nazis in their blood lust for the Final Solution.
This is historical fact, and this is precisely why generations of Muslims will NEVER, NEVER in a million years cease their Jew killing. The fact that Arafat, the godfather of modern terrorism was the Mufti’s nephew should surprise no one. After all, he learned his Jew hatred at his uncle’s knees, and the rest as they say is history.
Indeed. Himmler actually visited the Middle East with a delegation from Germany prior to the war, including Cairo. The Nazis were convinced that the Aryans were related to the Arab peoples, and they also saw the value of pitting Arabs against the English for control of Oil fields and Egyptian Cotton.
Anyone with a few minutes of time can find all of this easily enough, but most folks don’t even have a clue that any of this happened.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Pluralism and its bastard child milticultural diveristy-ism, has allowed our country to be balkanized into so many sub-nation states (or greivance groups) there is no coherent identity anymore for America.
COnservative groups need to call the ball, and formulate a federal level, state implemented “Pro America” program modeled after Arizona to mold this fractious ninny-state into a cohesive American unit again.
That would include stopping completely illegal immigration, putting a moratorium on legal immigration, punishing companies (economically) for not banning the “press 2 for Spanish” mentality, and to create financial and political incentives accross the board for assimiliation into a single American identity.
I agree – since 2001, 83% of immigrants have been minorities. The Left believes they are the future Architects, scientists, and innovators who will carry on the tradition of American creativity.
I believe if they were capable of that, they would have done so in their own countries. We are creating an underclass in America that has been politicized and radicalized, do not like the story of America and merely wish to advocate for black, muslim and Latino sub-cultures without regard for the greater good. There is to be no assimilation because it is taken for granted that European Americans are racists.
All the while, our new ‘citizens’ have far too many among themselves that are demonstrably the real racists.
> Albahri’s blatant support for genocide has sparked a backlash, prompting students to try and get the UC chancellors to condemn her remarks as inflammatory hate speech.
So campus speech codes are bad, except when they’re useful to marginalize your enemies? If you want more censorship of your own positions, this is the way to go about it. Horowitz did all that was necessary. Making this moral idiot a martyr is precisely the wrong thing to do. Principles matter most when you betray them.
Condemning is exactly the right response from UCSD with regard to Albari. It falls under the heading of using more free speech to deal with hate speech. Condeming is not sanctioning–Albari shouldn’t be suspended or expelled. But that does not free the UCSD administration from having a moral responsibility to forcefully reject her genocidal desire.
As I commented earlier, the UCSD administration should eject the MSA from the approved list of student organizations, since it clearly has no more business promoting their goals than does the Klan.
Palestinians did not become savages since 1948.The pogrom was one of their sports well before Israel was founded and would have remained so had the Israelis not fixed their clock.Their leader, the Mufti of Jerusalem spent the war years slurping it up with Himmler in Berlin.Only left wing crackpots and their pet house Jews actually parrot the nonsense of their victim hood
Normally I like Pajamas Media for its libertarian outlook, but I gotta say, this is utter Zionist crap. Who let the hymies in? Free speech for all, that’s the rule.
Troll.
I think she’s engaging in taqiyya. She and her family have been associated with the MSA and the MB for years.
Isahiah62,
Google- Adina Kutnicki+Does the Pro Terror Left Violate US Tax Laws?
My name appears at the end of the articles.
This link should get the readers to the ISM and its terror activities. There is more when you look in the archives of Frontpage under Lee Kaplan from 2005-2007 re the ISM.
The muslim mind is so small, thinking solely of how their religion of peace should obliterate any other peoples. In looking at a picture of ultra-deep space taken by the Hubble telescope’s incredible cameras one can speculate that either there is life out there or there isn’t — either way thinking that anyone on this planet has “the” answer doesn’t deserve the energy required to think it. On the other hand, those virgins the suicide bombers get… they’re men.
“she explicitly condemns the murder of innocent civilians”
Whenever I hear/read this, I always want to ask the person to define “innocent civilians.” Do atheist civilians count? Do Jewish civilians count? Do Christian civilians count? How do they define “innocent civilians?”
I personally believe that USD should kick her muslim a.. Out of the institution. And the INS should revoke her student visa and send her butt back to where she came from. This all reminds me of a confrontation I had when I was a student at Chico State. There was this girl from Iran who was always pissing and moaning about how bad the United States was and how she hated the U.S. I took it for so long and very in-politely told her if she didn’t like it here she could take her f…ing Iranian a.. back to the third world country she came from. I had already spent 21 years in the military and was going to school on the GI bill and wasn’t going to take that kind of talk from some idiot from where women are second class citizens where they circumcise women.
Another lying muslim caught in the act. How long is it going to take?
Also, invite your attention to this link and look for the Palestinians:
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
We should be careful not to limit the speech of idiots. That is how we know they’re idiots.
Two thumbs up!!!
Want a prediction?
Her comment about “killing civilians” and “highest crimes in the eyes of God” will be explained by her as an attribute of the Jews of Israel.
“My answer, “for it,” in the context in which it was said does NOT mean “for” genocide. I was referring to his initial question that asked me for my position on Hamas,”
Oh, she just meant she was for Hamas. That’s so much better. /sarc
Her attempt to change her meaning is not any better than the original meaning.
IT HAS BEEN ASSERTED MANY TIMES THAT BLACKS CAN HAVE PREDJUDICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO POWER,BY THE SAME MEME MUSLIMS CAN NOT HAVE ANY HATE.EVERYONE ELSE WAS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM THE DAY THEY WERE BORN.
A government entity, in this case a university, should not be in the business of condemning private citizens exercising their First Amendment rights. That is not to say what the moron said is not repugnant, it is, but it is not the job of the government to arbitrate what free speech should or shouldn’t be condemned.
It is interesting however to compare the reaction of the administration in this episode versus their reaction to the whole “Compton Cookout” episode that occurred earlier in the year. Which is exactly why the administration has no business weighing in on either episode.
“I was coerced”
So there.
Hmmmm. She became so emotional that she was unable to understand the crystal clear, unambiguous question from Mr. Horowitz. Sounds like to me that she is either lying or she should not involve herself in important discussions where she may loose control over her senses at the very mention of the word “Jew.”
The ugly truth is that the religion of peace is far more aligned with her than with peace. Notice any Muslim organizations denouncing her? I think it’s because in their black, evil hearts, they agree.
watching the video of Ms Albahri’s exchange with David Horowitz reminded me of the men’s room scene in “12 Angry Men” when Lee J Cobb’s character says “that guy (Henry Fonda) was just trying to goad me”
To which E G Marshall says “he did an excellent job”
(((:~ Kafirs Rule
Albahri – I’ll bet the dog ate her homework, too. It’s not her fault…
Why has no one followed up on her remarks about “Hitler Youth Day” on campus?
That’s what I’d like to know more about.
It potentially says more about her than the two-word statement “for it.”
With the advent of the Internet, cell-phones cameras and YOUTUBE, people like this young, collegiate Muslim woman are the perfect example of why it is so important to have free speech. What better way to know your enemy and spread the word of truth?
As vile as what this young woman stand for, she’s not wearing a sheet to disguise herself like the KKK or a full burka. We have the bold, unblinking face of a people who wish to destroy anyone who is not of Islam and especially Jewish people (but, believe me, if they got rid of all of the Jews, everyone else thereafter would be next on the ‘to do’ list).
The perfect American accent that so easily turned Arabic sounding when pronouncing her own name really wigged me out for some reason.
Me too. And the seemingly integrated American accent spouting the death-worshipping ideology of Islam. I watched the video on YouTube and her answer, “For it”, was said very deliberately. She took the cue from Horowitz’s question, so she was obviously saying yes to genocide. A few minutes before she had baulked, and protested that if she answered truthfully she would be arrested by Homeland Security. (Simply wearing the headscarf and kerchief was enough to indicate her views.) Then when Horowitz makes the situation clear – that we are talking about a second Holocaust here – it looked as though something automatic clicked inside her and she was answering her masters. “For it”, spoken quite clearly and decisively. Chilling stuff.
I like Mark Steyn’s argument that, rather than go to a human rights court about these people, it is better to flush their views out to be ridiculed and shamed by civilised society – but the audience here seemed too numb with shock to react.
I think she’s an American. Either of Muslim Family or a convert.
Albahri IS a victim but not of Horowitz, UCSD, bloggers or anyone else.
Rather, Albahri is a victim of an ideology that poses as a religion only when it suits it. It’s an ideology that openly practices gender apartheid and wraps a young woman in ridiculous scarves only to convince the woman that the scarves are about ‘choice’ and ‘freedom.’ It also causes her to wear a heavy woolen topcoat in Southern California. I’m only half-joking about that one.
This young woman should be reading novels, watching films, meeting friends, thinking about a career, a husband, a family. Instead, a large part of her daily existence is devoted to hearing, discussing and/or promoting retrograde thoughts and practices. Her taskmasters excel at their jobs: they have convinced her and many others that, as the author states, there can be some gray area where genocide is concerned.
True, Patchy. That could be said of young women of the radical left too, who spend all their free time organising rallies and blockades and handing out pamphlets and reading The Guardian and turning every casual cup of coffee into an political argument and generally being a pain in the….
Someone at UCSD needs to stand up and be an advocate for Albahri’s murder.
Surely nobody could complain, right? What’s good for the goose…
The petition signing seemed nearly stalled. After the publication on PJM, there is a new stream of signers and they are making very articulate statements regarding the UCSD administration. That’s exactly what is needed! Can anyone help posting the link to the petition signing page on other sites?
Twitter the link with an interesting comment. Its easy, its free and if it catches on it could make a real difference. I posted the link with ENDANGERED SPECIES ALERT!
Getting a persons attention is half the battle. Getting lucky and finding a brain the other half. The facts speak for themselves.
F., 05/21/10 common era
Surprise, surprise! There is still so much Jew hatred worldwide, in spite of the billions of dollars spent by mainline American Jewish groups. What will the A.D.L. do now? Re-organize its website? Hold candlelight vigils to promote love and peace? I hope that the Golem makes housecalls.
What really gets me is if this woman claimed to support the KKK but condemn violent acts upon black people, she would be condemned before she left the room. But since she is a Muslim, and everyone on the left knows that Muslims only commit terrorist acts in response to the Zionest West’s policies, the faculty at UCSD won’t dare criticize a Muslim. This either stops now with her condemnation and dissolution of the MSA or it continues and threatens our way of life
A clarification: it is not the faculty (I happen to be one of them), but rather the administration (such as the UCSD Chancellor), who would not condemn. Faculty are doing their teaching and research (while fuming about what is going on) and do not have a venue to express their condemnation.
I have a reservation about the claims this girl is genocidal.
I do think there is a lot of more or less genocidal content to Islam. Or maybe it should be called culticidal, insofar as Islam doesn’t seek to wipe out biological races, but rather all non-Muslim cultures. I do consider Islam a totalitarian movement, and its founder weirdly evil.
That said, I watched this girl speak with Horowitz, and then say “for it.” It may have been an intentional affirmation of genocide, of course, but watching her, I would not be at all surprised if this is what was going on: she is a leftish, Western, relatively new Muslim. She is young and not used to speaking to an audience, especially in a adversarial dialogue with a smart, much more experienced writer and activist. While standing up before the audience, she is full of intense emotions of various kinds making a cacophony within her. Intense waves of befogging desire wash over and nearly capsize her thoughts in confusion — desires to get her points across and to impress those whose opinion matters to her. All the jostling emotions cloud her thoughts and make it difficult to turn them off so she can focus outside herself when Horowitz speaks. I recall how I felt when I was young and trying to dialogue with a professor or teacher in front of an audience. My head raced with my own thoughts which often blocked out what the professor was saying to me. I sometimes felt incredibly nervous, my pulse raced, my heart beat blood into my ears with a basso thump, thump, thump. It is possible in such circumstances, or similar ones, really not to hear what someone is saying to you, however plain. How often have we heard people talk past each other? So often!! Listening to her earlier dialogue with Horowitz, she seemed to me struggling in a way to form her thoughts. It’s not impossible that when Horowitz suddenly shifted his attention to her and said forcefully “For it, or against it,” she had only heard that he was condemning Hezbollah or Hamas, and she said “for it” to mean, “for Hamas.” Now, even though Hamas is evil, support for Hamas doesn’t necessarily show evil in a college student. Support might only show ignorance, or stupidity, or immaturity. It doesn’t necessarily show that a young and foolish college student is voicing conscious support for genocide.
If she now firmly denies support for genocide, I tend to think that should be accepted, provided she gives no further indications of support for genocide. However, she should be criticized for her support for Islam, Hamas, and Hezbollah, which are genocidal, even if she is not.
Good points. I share your sense that the student might have been nervous, and misunderstood.
Yet this exchange remains a teachable moment. The larger point remains that UC administrators have developed a strange tolerance for public calls of genocide against Jews and Israel. Worse, the Obama administration seems determined to deny that Islamic terrorism and jihadism even exist. We must, therefore, vigorously identify, expose, and condemn public calls for jihad against America, Israel, and the west.
Since the UC administrators have created a hate speech policy, they should enforce it – even if it expresses a fashionable perspective among too many deluded, dangerous university students.
why was she not wearing a burka and why was out in public without a man? why was she talking to a strange man? she is an immoral woman by her standards.
Zionism is angry in Nowadays. Thanks to Albahri and other people who stand up to against the aggression of the Zionism.
What the writer of this article forgot is that Israel is a genocidal entity no HAMAS. For example in 2009-2010, Hamas killed less than 20 Israelis of who 16 of them were soldiers while Isrela killed almost 1500 (only 500 were combatants) and 1000 were women and children.
The question is WHO is a Genocidal…. Answer is Israel
The facebook group to protest Jumanah Albahri’s support for genocide “Expel Jumanah Imad Albahri From UC San Diego” was disabled by facebook even though the Mod’s were very careful to delete anything remotely controversial, so much so that they deleted many of my comments in debates with Jumanah’s family. A group supporting Jumanah, “Do not Expel Jumanah Imad Albahri From UC San Diego” has not been disabled by facebook however. Why the double standards?
The facebook profiles of the 2 Mods of the anti-Jumanah facebook site have also been disabled. My profile was disabled after I engaged in a debate with an apologist for Islamic terror on the pro-Jumanah group. She even personally insulted me yet my facebook account was disabled but not hers. Again double standards. I did however take screenshots of this debate and have posted them on my blog;
http://defendisrael.blog.com/2010/05/20/ayesha-dar-is-an-idiot/ It does have a controversial name because this is the exact name she called me at least 5 times previously!
It seems Jumanah will go unpunished, can you imagine if a Christian at the school called for all Muslims to be murdered? Do you think they wouldn’t be punished? Facebook appears to hate Jews defending against genocide and love Muslims defending supporters of genocide.
this seems to be a pattern by now with FACEBOOK
see JIDF site for more
Way to go, Aaron. As you well know, what we saw at UCSD is also happening elsewhere-including where you study and I teach (UCI). Thank you for your courage.
Gary Fouse
Adj teacher
UC-Irvine Ext
The truth is we are hated by the Muslim world. It is not only political correctness, but also political madness to hear the words of hatred aimed at the West and not accept them as reality. Even the threats of Osama bin Laden were taken from the eighth and ninth chapters
of the Koran.
“When you meet the unbelievers strike them in the neck…. If you do not go out and fight, God will punish you severely…Whenever you find the polytheists, kill them, seize them, besiege them, ambush them…You who believe do not take Jews and Christians as friends…The Hour of Judgement will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them”.
A good muslim is a jihadist. A bad muslim wants peace.
The muslims will try to kill Jews and us no matter what the consequences or circumstances.
Read for yourself.
Fuaad,
Have you heard of the Muslim named Tawfik Hamid? He’s an Egyptian scholar.
by Tawfik Hamid:
Tawfik Hamid
BIDAH—-the concept of CHANGING one word of ISLAM is strictly forbidden- as Wafa Sultan and Nonie Darwish have told us— reform OF ISLAM or even speaking of it is a death sentence – to speak of peace with Israel –death snetence- and not empty threats of death- we have seen MURDER for those who advocate peace with non Muslims- Sadat, Hariri, the Iran dissidents, yes they kill their OWN people indiscriminately for ANY challenge to ISLAM, why would they question to KILL US who openly say NO to it?
The Soft Jihad is well underway in our nation- by offering us dawa (preaching to us to join ISLAM) is required before war to convert you forcibly or kill you legally by Koran- anyone who rejects ALLAh or ISLAM is in their eyes NOT INNOCENT and worthy of being killed- Americans are sadly under informed and blind to the facts of ISLAM and Muslims are slaves to it already unable to reject it even if they do desire to as the kind words of Tawfik above.
Tawik – Thank you for your courageous call to moderate, modern, and humane Muslims. Your wise words should be heeded by leading Islamic organizations concerned about the image of Muslims across the Western World.
How tolerant should we be of violent intolerance? It’s a difficult question, but the UC administrators have embraced the concept of speech codes to protect minority rights. Therefore, it behooves UC administrators to enforce their own policies against hate speech to individuals who calls for genocide and a second holocaust. They might even want to consider following the lead of the University of Southern California which banned the Muslim Student Association from promoting the Hadith of Hate which calls for the murder of “the last Jew behind the last rock.” The bottomline remains quite simple: public calls for genocide, even if wrapped in religious garments, remain dangerous and unacceptable among reasonable, polite, and civilized people and campuses.
Let’s make this a teachable moment for California students and citizens.
To Fuuad: You are clever at inventing numbers; but you can’t prove them because your numbers are lies.
Do you not recall that, in every single instance, Hamas attacked Israel, and Israel responded in defense? The hamas ran(like the cowards they are) and hid themselves amongst innocent civilians. If civilians were killed, it is Hamas’ fault, not the Israelis.
fuaad probably is aware that he is a liar and a propagandist for genocidal sociopaths or he simply doesn’t know squat. If Israel is genocidal, then why isn’t the 20 percent of its citizenry that is arab muslim fleeing for their lives? Instead their numbers have increased 1000 percent over the last six decades. Israeli arabs enjoy the full protection of the law in the Middle East’s only democracy, serve in the parliament, and are very interested in sustaining a comfortable middle class life style unobtainable for them anywhere else in the region. The hundreds of palestinians in gaza who are admitted to Israel every year for (free) medical treatment they can’t secure from an incompetent and violent hamas aren’t afraid of Israelis either.
The College Republicans at UCSD (co-sponsors of the event) have released a statement about the girl’s comments, the official UCSD response, and about what, if anything, the school should do about it. You can find it at gop.ucsd.edu.