U.S. Army Solution to Afghan Attacks: ‘Avoid Arrogance,’ ‘Respect Islam’
The denial, dhimmitude, and subservience of the pocket guide are drearily familiar. Last February, General Allen issued a notoriously weak, pusillanimous video repeating abject apologies to “the noble people of Afghanistan” for the burning of Qur’ans that had been used by jihadists to communicate with one another. For all his “respect for Islam” and avoidance of “arrogance,” Allen has not learned enough about Islamic culture to know that it respects strength and sees apologizing and conciliation as weakness to be despised.
Just last week, Allen attributed the rise in green-on-blue attacks to the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan. Fasting made the Afghans tense and irritable, you see, and who wouldn’t grab a rifle and commit mass murder in such a situation? When Allen attributed the attacks to Ramadan, he obviously did not have in mind the words of Muslims in Bulgaria, who said: “Ramadan is a month of holy war and death for Allah. It is a month for fighting the enemies of Allah and God’s messenger, the Jews and their American facilitators.”
The noble people of Afghanistan couldn’t possibly think that, could they?
In reality, no amount of “respect for Islam” and humility from American troops will prevent green-on-blue attacks, because the imperative for them doesn’t stem from American behavior. American troops could be the most respectful, humble, deferential people on the planet, and still Afghans would sometimes turn on their trainers and benefactors and start shooting. They are motivated to do so by Islam’s doctrine of warfare against unbelievers, which calls for war against non-Muslims simply because they are not Muslim. It does not take into account arrogance or disrespect.
But since the U.S. Army prefers to pretend those doctrines don’t exist, we get ridiculous farragoes like the pocket guide. Our troops, and the American people they are ostensibly protecting while on this fool’s errand in Afghanistan, deserve better.
No wonder we lost the war in Afghanistan. Stupid is as stupid does says Forrest Gump. Most of our generals don’t have the brains to make a pimple on a good private’s butt.
Generals are basically politicians, except they aren’t responsible to voters in any way. However, if they don’t go along with a given administration, they won’t be promoted at best, and could lose their commission at worst.
The Generals are just going along with what the Obama Administration says. Officers that make a habit of standing up for their soldiers rarely make General. You make General by doing what you’re told.
Or, as my old man used to say, pour piss out of a boot.
There is always politics in the military. Getting to the highest ranks of both Officer and Enlisted communities has always required it, but the quotient changes. After my first decade I could look back and see a marked rise. It seems the war in Afghanistan and Iraq had the opposite effect that I thought. I used to think that war would drastically lower the political quotient, but I was wrong.
By the time I retired in 2008 I could see the writing on the wall. You didn’t get to a flag rank, or a senior enlisted position, without wallowing in politics like pig in its trough. I’ve read sickening story after sickening story of our military’s senior leadership outright abandoning their troops to the wolves to feather their own nests.
I think it might be different if we were fighting an actual war against an enemy that actually threatened us and it was kill or be killed. We’re purposefully not fighting to win against an enemy we could crush at any time if we ever felt genuinely threatened.
This whole war from day 1 was 100% politics. During the Wars against Germany, Japan, or the USSR, our survival was genuinely threatened and we needed Officers who could WIN, not politicians.
We are all ruled by salesmen, and so we will continue to sell our enemies our most advanced ordinances and missile systems until we feel they have a sporting chance against us, and then we will graciously surrender and Submit to them – all in the name of “multi-cultural diversity” which really only means the globalist plutocratic treason to all national sovereign governments – because no corporation wants to have to pay any taxes to anyone, anywhere, ever, that’s why!
i think “show em who’s boss” is the policy that were gonna run with” but thanks for the input obama. (says romney in 4 months)
I’m sure you will find plenty of copies in the porta-potty if they run low on toilet paper. I wish Obama had just cut and run. This is worse – using rules-of-engagement to kill our troops for no purpose at all.
They’ve always used rules of engagement to let us Troops hang. I was stationed on Cyprus back in the early ’80s, and we had to go patrol against the moslem Turk invaders without our breech-blocks and firing pins (which were kept back at base, locked up in the Lieutenant’s ammo-box under his cot)! Nothing really changes.
The extremist Moslems are very like the Communists in that any sign of kindness,good manners,tolerance,etc., are read as weakness and cowardice, as fear that should be exploited.I myself think they’re ALL in this together,all the Moslems. Some are terrorists, the rest are following the basic Koranic command to give all they can to Moslem charities,many if not most of which are giving sizable donations to terrorist groups. Moslems in America are sending in their contributions, too, so letting them live here is adding to our problems. We need to pull out of fighting in the Arab countries, since a war against them on their turf is doomed to fail. Then we need the United States government to re-classify Islam for what it is,NOT a religion, but an ultra violent, ultra intolerant,totalitarian, ultra human rights-opposed movement that doesn’t deserve any legal protections or rights whatsoever,wrapped in the false trappings of religion to fool the ignorant. Foreign-born Moslems should be deported and not allowed to return, Moslems should not be allowed to visit,and we should abolish the EPA, and ignore all lawsuits from pressure groups, and DRILL DRILL DRILL for our own oil,buy it only from actual ALLIES, like Canada, and cut off all trade with Islamic countries, especially oil. Perhaps even consider severely reducing trade with China,because they support Iran and other Islamist countries against us. If we continue with our brainless, spineless,inoffensive behavior, we will be overrun and have two choices,Islam or death.
The notion “nation building” could work in Afghanistan was and is idiotic. Thank George Bush and the Generals that thought COIN was a viable strategy for an illiterate collection of waring tribes immersed in a 7th century totalitarian ideology. Islam is an evil totalitarian ideology. Obsequious officers seek to advance their careers by claiming the Ft. Hood massacre was “work place violence” and green on blue attacks result from disrespect of the “noble” Afghan culture instead of Muslim terrorism is criminal. Saving our so called “diversity” is BS. The current farce regarding Major Hasan’s beard is an example of what happens when weak, obsequious officers abandon principle. “Just following orders” is camouflage for lack of moral courage,incompetence or both. It is time for change of command in Washington D.C.
Exactly. Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:
“I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”
-Muhammad-
So obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:
“God told us to commit these crimes!”
(Capisce?)!
So, for the last 1,400 years, islam has openly declared criminal, aggressive war on all of humanity, right in their “holy” Qur’an.
And they’ve acted on it, too – with a historical average of a lot less than 1% of the global population, they’ve still managed to be responsible for over HALF of all murders (and all other crimes). Islam has killed over 270 million people (that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENT LIVES SACRIFICED TO ALLAH so far)!
Islam has committed more murders (and all other crimes) than EVERY other human creed (both secular and religious)!
So, because of their official, “THOU SHALT KILL!” creed, (and even with having bred themselves up to be one fifth of the world today,) the moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to commit murders (and all other crimes) than EVERYONE ELSE, combined!
BAN ISLAM – because everything moslems pretend to consider “holy” is already a crime!
;-(
We should get the hell out of there and let them kill each other , which they’re good at.If they kill enough of their own, maybe we can go in in a few years and clean up what’s left of them. I have no sympathy for any of them and am tired of our soldiers having to cowtow to a bunch of animals.
While US troops are busy learning not to insult Afghans the Taliban is busy cutting off the heads of civilians for dancing in public. Guess which approach will be successful ?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/taliban-behead-17-singing-dancing/story?id=17084797#.UDyupY6UAy4
I hate to say this but the best thing that could have happened a couple of weeks ago would have been for Dempsey to have been in his plane when it was attacked. It might have woken him up and helped him to get his head out of his rectum. There is no way I would want to serve in today’s military with the present command structure. When will these idiots ever learn that these people can’t be trusted? They have no honor even when dealing with their own kind, let alone their sworn enemy.
Every loss of a life in these kinds of attacks should be dealt with by summarily executing the assailant and his commanding officer. People respect force, not political correctness.
Dempsey is a moron and a girl’s blouse.
Glug glug glug goes the feminist homo army…
Americans are doing nothing about the open destruction of their country…
You will have no one to blame but yourselves.
The news media in the USA deliberately are not reporting on happenings around the world, Egypt and China alliance, SCO meeting going on now, Tehran meeting going on now, just bla bla bla about non-existent pussy rainstorm “Isaac”.
What a crock.
Clear thinking, direct communication, and colorful language. A+
Respect your dog-torturing, boy-raping, wife-beating, American-fragging allies, soldier!
(And we wonder why so many soldiers are coming home with PTSD.)
Our military has been so compromised by this PC bullshit coming from their general officers, (via the Obama administration), that they can no longer be an effective fighting force. Bring ‘em all home. If the Afghan people are not willing to fight against the oppression and tyranny that a Taliban return to power will bring, let Afghanistan suffer its deserved fate.
In other words, submission.
I’d rather say Avoid Islam. The West should have made clear long ago to Islam where the red line is, and if overstepped it should have been responded harshly. That’s the language Islam understands. The West must learn this language, not doing so, even a strong economy and military will not help, as empirically demonstrated with each humiliation. There is no worse observer who doesn’t see and no worse listener who doesn’t hear, and no worse student who refuses to learn!
More proof, if any was needed, that we should have been out of there long, long ago. No amount of abject appeasement and dhimmitude will change the dynamic there. This pamphlet and General Allen’s grovelling just reinforce to those that hate us how weak we are. I understand that for a time US military people did not carry weapons at the higher headquarters in Kabul. Criminally stupid and not a very bright idea.
Yankees come home, please!
To paraphrase the most selfless senator from Massachusetts, how many do they have to die…?
Nothing makes me throw up in my mouth more than this type of Charlie Foxtrot but it’s not new. We’ve been sacrificing soldiers in an effort to placate our enemies and world opinion since Eisenhower put Patton out to pasture.
Political correctness and lib politics are responsible for more dead American soldiers than enemy fire.
Our soldiers are committing suicide at ever increasing rates. They are being murdered by 3rd world, 7th century lunatics and we want to hand out nasal spray and pamphlets? WE ARE SO SCREWED.
I will never have my child join the military with this pathetic, guilt-ridden, self-centered crew in charge. Like all organizations, they are run by greedy, cynical and self-interested LMF’s! By the time they have the next military draft, this country won’t be worth saving. I weep for my childrens’ future.
F*ck islam and the pedophile who founded it. Oh yeah, all the goat buggering followers can go straight to hell. I’ll be having a pulled pork sandwich for lunch and a rack of baby back ribs to celebrate my relationship with islam.
Add a brew or two and it sounds like a great lunch!!
“Smile. Be polite. And always have a plan to kill everybody in the room.”
If I understand English correctly, the US army is told to respect the enemy who does not respect you. There we go again as Reagan would say. That is what happened with communism, hitlerism, “Japanism”, Islamism, socialism, liberalism, capitalism etc! It is clear beyond any doubt that many humans are plain STUPID and we are told by the US gvt to be or become STUPID. Is America that hopeless! If the demo win then YES.
As for the Republicans that is another story.
Our brain contains 100 millions of neurons but most of us apparently use very very few of them!
With the today gvt mind-set, Hitler and Japan would have won. Pr. O has condoned so far the Iran nukes.
Tks Mr. Churchill. U must be having nightmares in your grave.
time to go
also i think a few A-10s would be much more effective than drones
To defend one’s rights and liberties means disrespect? Since when does Islam respect other religions and/or peoples? If Islam wants our cosnideration and respect, then let it do the same… one never mentions Islam as “a filthy religion”, or that its’an “invented” one, or that it should be razed from the face of the earth! So, f**** Islam!!!!!
Americans – ARE YOU GOING TO LET THESE MISRABLE FOLLOWERS OF A FAKE, MURDERING, TERRORIST RELIGION? READ THE AL QURAN – OT’S A GUIDEBOOK FOR EVERYTHING WRON IN THE WORLD. RESPECT YOUR DEAD HEROES WHO FOUGH INNUMEROUS WARS, DIED IN THEM, TO DEFEND EXACTLY WHAT ISLAM IS TRYUING TO DESTROY! Islam plays the great victim and accuses the Wester CIVILIZED world of the crimes itself is committing. Stand up and fight back, DON’T GET SORRY FOR ANYTHING – GET EVEN, DOUBLE QUICK!!!! I’m not american by nationality but yes in my heart and mind…, stand against these barbarians, you’re worlds better than them!
Since WWII, we have failed to fight a singe war to win the fight. Only the hearts and minds of the people attacking us (or at least active supporters).
Why are we so stupid? Fight to win or don’t go. What the conquered think of us at the end of the fight is irrelevant.
SORRY, MY MESSAGE SHOULD READ AS BELOW:
Americans – ARE YOU GOING TO LET THESE MISRABLE FOLLOWERS OF A FAKE, MURDERING, TERRORIST RELIGION GET THE BETTER OF YOU? READ THE AL QURAN – IT’S A GUIDEBOOK FOR EVERYTHING WRONG IN THE WORLD. RESPECT YOUR DEAD HEROES WHO FOUGHT INNUMEROUS WARS, DIED IN THEM, TO DEFEND EXACTLY WHAT ISLAM IS TRYING TO DESTROY! Islam plays the great victim and accuses the Wester CIVILIZED world of the crimes itself is committing. Stand up and fight back, DON’T GET SORRY FOR ANYTHING – GET EVEN, DOUBLE QUICK!!!! I’m not american by nationality but yes in my heart and mind…, stand against these barbarians, you’re worlds better than them! Destroy them before they do you!!!!!
quick 30 minute debate with Robert Spencer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mPD1F5RQw&feature=relmfu
At 28:30 Spencer NOW admits that Jihad came to protect
churches and synagogues.
MESSAGES NOS. 23 AND 25 ARE MINE – I MAKE IT A POINT TO SHOW MY NAME!
NADIR AHMED You and Robert Spencer are full of bullshit, Islam doesn’t have to fight “unbelievers”, Islam kills them, murders them, kidnaps, rapes, burns their churches, torturea their ministers, try to “genocide them”!!! It cuts off their heads. I lived in an arab country and I KNOW. Just look at what’s happening today in Islam-ruled countries and those where Islam wants to take over. F***ck Islam and its followers! It just “executed” two days ago 17 persons who were partying with girls. SO WHAT? WHY SHOULDN’T ANYONE PARTY? Get real, look beyond your nose!
Perhaps a new course needs to be taught at Military bases world wide right after islam appreciation and gay acceptance we will call it bowing before our masters and every troop needs to be taught this, starting with the SEALS who seem to think Obama is their friend.
I feel sorry for the trrops serving there now. With the exception that this is an all-volunteer Army instead of conscripted, this looks more and more like the way we pissed Vietnam away.
So, even our military is bought and paid for with Saudi Petrodollars.
Beautiful.
Just let the damned Muslims slice our heads off right now and get it over with.
This is ridiculous. It is time to leave this ill conceived and poorly executed debacle. We were never at war with Afghanistan, or even the Taliban. We were at war with Al Qaeda. Time to go.
You guys just don’t get it. The US wants to fight the war against Islam, ending in it extinction as a living faith.
To do that you have to give it every opportunity possible to show the world and more especially the West how odious the faith is. Without that preparation you will not be able to get the support necessary to fight a total war.
Do you think that word doesn’t get around, no matter the NYT or WaPo? Don’t you think that millions for people in the West are not coming to the conclusion that peace with Islam is impossible in any world where they would are to live?
If you want a war you have to prepare people and the best way to do that is to let the enemy have its head. In Islam, there is nothing like a sense proportion. On the other hand, no revealed religion has it either.
No problem was ever solved by ignoring it. We’re not doing even any of the moslems any favors by pretending to go along with their main historic lie – that islam is a religion (at all, much less one “of peace”).
So: why continue to do so?! Why lie to ourselves and to them all the time?! Because government treason supports corporate “multi-cultural” connivance, that’s why.
Without actually knowing anything about islam, most of “our government” bureaucratic gangsters will attempt to pre-emptively slander those who do know about it.
When any group (say, islam) declares “War!” – for “our leaders” to then automatically declare “No, they didn’t!” – is a simple, obvious case of cowardly treasonous criminal negligence
Such a stance also indicates an immediate abdication of their rights to maintain and enjoy their positions over us, as they ignore their commensurate responsibility to protect us.
So, why do they CONTINUE to do it all the time?!
Why do they always spin superficial situational symptoms into their own “causes!”? Why pretend to go to war against the mere symptoms of “terror/ism,” or “al-Quaeda” instead of their real cause: islam?!
Why deliberately get everything so completely BACKWARDS all the time?!
“Multiculturalism” pretends that, because all the mere superficial symptoms of growing up in different parts of the world (appearance, skin tone, sartorial variances and ‘preferences’ for, and familiarity with, various types of ‘ethnic’ foods, all really only depending on geographical, environmental factors) are of only negligible importance, that:
“All Cultures Must Be Exactly The Same!”
As if raising generations under the indoctrinating cultural imperative of “THOU SHALT KILL!” would make absolutely no difference in any subsequent social norms, when compared to raising a populace of children under the aegis of “THOU SHALT NOT KILL!”
Islam’s own most official instruction manual, the Qur’an, declares islam was created by “god” to violently destroy and replace all “other” religions and cultures in the world. The subsequent actions of their followers confirm this.
Further, they have declared it their “right” to murder anyone who even verbally declares their defensive opposition to the moslem’s attacks, in declaring it (the death-penalty “crime” of) “blasphemy” to resist their extortions.
Multiculturalism is a lie being pushed on us by business interests which seek to save money on their labor costs by replacing us with cheap slave labor from their third-world slave-pens. They know non-Whites vastly outnumber Whites globally, and therefore seek to guilt us into seeking our own demise through the mental inversion of pretending we must accept their slaves because they are all only a helpless minority of refugees, and so it would be inhumanly mean of us to do otherwise. It’s a corporate, crime-selling corruption scheme to buy-us-low to sell themselves high; extortion on a global scale.
Why do you think you keep seeing all these multi-cultural advertising billboards everywhere?! Who do you think keeps pushing the multi-culti agenda? Who keeps insisting that it’s our duty not to be meanies by importing tons of primitive, non-White moslem savages, because somehow they’re all poor oppressed People Of Color refugees? Who keeps pretending they’re a “minority,” when in fact, worldwide, Blacks outnumber Whites ten to twenty to one?!
It’s the corporations that do it to us, as they sell us out by selling off our countries to the lowest bidders (usually our declared enemies)! It’s the banksters at the top of that corporate heap, and the oil-barons beneath them who hold all the other corporate gangs hostage to their ‘products!’
They hate having to pay any taxes to anyone, anywhere, ever! So they’re in league with the global communists who want free movement for labour, and with the moslems who also hate all nationally sovereign countries, seeing them all as merely temporary, man-made false idols, intending to replace them all with the global moslem umma, ruled by their theocratic caliphate!
So ask yourself this: What do the communazis, moslems and corporazis all have in common?
They are all totalitarian Conformists! Corporate welfare = corporate communism!
So: Why further the moslem’s delusions?! After all, multi-culturalism IS racism!
For instance, ALL the so-called islamic countries are at the exact BOTTOM of all the developmental indexes.
So, there’s only two possible explanations for this: it’s either nurture (‘culture’), or nature (genetics/’race’).
Yet the shallow liberals prefer to pretend that all indoctrinating cultures are equal, and so they all have the exact same effects on their respective populaces. Which leaves only race.
Then they further clinch their own prejudices, by blaming only the White, Western folks for “propping up” all the non-White genocidal dictators in the world (as if only White Westerners were INTELLIGENT enough to manipulate the poor innocent but mentally inferior savages) and as if, without Whites, there would be no non-White dictatorial madmen in the world.
But history and current events prove that all races ARE the same, and so of course the vast majority of dictatorial madmen in the world have been non-Whites (Muhammad, Ghenghis Khan, Attilla, Mao, Pol Pot, Taylor and Kony, Bobby Mugabe) – because their races outnumber Whites in exact proportion to their respective numbers of dictators, which (in all reality, and despite the liberals racism,) only leaves nurture or “culture” to explain islam’s failures.
And it’s quite simple, really: our “Western culture” is based on Confucius’ (wholly Eastern,) Chinese morality, on the Golden Rule of Law (basically: Do Not Attack First! and on “THOU SHALT NOT KILL!”) and so we enjoy trust, progress and civilization.
Islam, however, is based on the exact opposite – on the immoral, brazen rule of chaos, (basically: “It’s our holy right and duty to always attack all ‘the others’ first!” and on “THOU SHALT KILL!”) and so they suffer from distrust, stagnation, and barbarism.
So, the bottom line is: YES, our culture is obviously, infinitely better than theirs! We should educate them, not indulge their ignorance!
Maybe the military should just order all soldiers to convert to Islam and grow beards before deploying to Afghanistan, just to be sure they are sufficiently sensitive to the religion and culture?
The building formally known as the Pentagon has become a G-d damned #hore house of servicing Muslims. The Perfumed Pimps there masquerading as Generals have no regard for America and it’s Constitution, Judeo-Christian civilization, or even the lives and limbs of their own troops and they are all out sons-of-#itches, traitors, and chronic dhimmis!
The Army’s and Marine’s top generals aren’t worth a warm bucket of spit.
Yahweh, Mr. Pentagon
Would never okay the way you do your thing
Ding ding ding, ding, ding, ding
And you’ll get yours, Mr. Pentagon
Coddlin’ and even sidin’ with that Islam stuff like you do
Boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo
Where have you gone, General George S. Patton?
Our nation turns its longing eyes to you
What’s that you say, Mr. Pentagon?
You have banished ‘ol Blood and Guts far away
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey
Coo coo ca-choo, Mr. Pentagon
Mohammad appreciates you more than you will know
Woo woo woo, woo woo woo
Allah uses you, yes, Mr. Pentagon
He may grant some short reprieve to those who all humanity betray
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey
People joking here about all soldiers being ordered to convert are actually on the mark. Islam has the amazing ability to get cowed non-Muslims to preach da’wa for them. Da’wa being Islamic proselyization. Teaching respect for Islamic law is the crux of da’wa.
Here we have the Pentagon whitewashing and pushing Islam on our soldiers. If they do convert, it would ne considered non-PC to investigate whether they are hostile to a constitutional republic. Look at the Nidal Hasan case where the government has, against all reality, tried to spin the case as one unrelated to Islam or terrorism.
Our national animal should go from eagle to the three monkeys.
“Look at the Nidal Hasan case where the government has, against all reality, tried to spin the case as one unrelated to Islam or terrorism.” It is more accurate to say that it is President Obama who has tried to spin the case of Nidal Hasan’s massacre of 12 soldiers at Fort Hood as not being Islamist terrorism by renaming it “workplace violence.” Obama’s defence of Mohammedanism, e.g., his defence of Huma Abedin as being a “faithful American,” (see Andrew McCarthy on her connection to the Muslim Brotherhood) make me wonder if he is himself a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
See also Obama’s reception of President Morsi of Egypt, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, (in contrast to his hostile reception of Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel) and his friendship with Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey, an Islamist. See also Obama’s praise of Mohammedanism in the speech he made in Cairo: (1) Why a speech in Cairo? (2) The falsehoods he uttered – (a) that Muslims has invented the printing press (Gutenberg did that), (b) that Muslims had invented the compass (the Chinese did that), (c) that Muslims had established the first university (Italians did that in Bologna).
Here’s my solution to Afghanistan. “We win, they lose”. (With credit to Ronald Reagan).
It is and always has been a marginal war. The key is to keep just enough people on the fence that you can continue it. Can’t do that when you actually hurt people or attack mosque’s. Any body play chess? What are pawn’s? They are young, clean shaven Americans that we call soldiers. 100% politics.
It’s not about multi-culturalism, except to the half of our population that votes democrat and will raise hell and walk in the street if you actually do what war requires.
It’s a great strategy, … but for what? This is three-peat, with the same outcome.
Just last week in Washington Marine Corps General Allen gave his pathetic, willfully ignorant, cringing, politically correct opinion that these killings have come about because Afghan troops are so stressed by having to fast for Ramadan. I’d hate to think what Patton would have done to this Turkey.
Obviously the PC termites have been at the officer corps and although it looks solid, give it a push and it will collapse into a pile of dust. The big question is, how much of it is rotten to the core, and how much is healthy and can be salvaged?
If Romney wins, I’m hoping for a lot of early retirements of senior military personnel and promotions from deep within the officer’s list to leapfrog over the PC, willfully ignorant, Obama sycophants it is apparently pretty full of i.e. not called that by name, but a de facto general purge of the officer corps.
Nuke any place where these animals burn an American flag. Invoke the Gen. LeMay rule.
Bring our guys home now. Nuke the friggin place. Nuff said.
#43 Blotto:
I second that emotion.
Bring ‘em home and make it uninhabitable.
This is a subject into which I have put a lot of study and thought, and frankly as always I’m amazed and appalled by what people say. #43 Blotto and his friend Joan exemplify the more extreme argument, that somehow we win if we try and exterminate all of our enemies, along with untold millions of people who either don’t care about us or think of us as their friends. Great idea. We’d a) alienate the rest of the world and b) create lifelong enemies of most Muslims worldwide. Then of course we need to kill all of them too, and when we’re left, if we survive this, we’re paranoid and sated with having exterminated how many people? 200 million?
Yeah, sure we’re going to do that…
So, since we’re not going to try to exterminate them, what do we do? Run away, and hope they leave us alone? We already tried that, and it didn’t work. Chase them around the country and fight them individually? The country is pretty well-suited for guerilla warfare–if you don’t believe me, ask the Soviets. They tried things that we’d never do, dropping portable minefields on trails near villages knowing children’s hands would get blown off, torturing prisoners in ways that would make Abu Ghraib look like a college frat hazing here in the States, and so forth…and they got nowhere in a decade.
Nationbuilding was the only viable option. The problem, of course, is that with a relatively sophisticated, urban society like Iraq, it was going to take 25-50 years to do it properly, and we frankly don’t have the stomach for the casualties, or the patience for the expenditures. With Afghanistan, it’d probably be a longer job even than that. This is an incredibly backwards country.
So now we’re agreed that we don’t have the stomach to do what needs to be done, and that the only viable strategy we can undertake is the ostrich tactic. Stick our heads in the ground, ignore what goes on in Afghanistan, and hope that when the next bunch of attackers try something, they’re not as successful as the 9/11 crowd was. Whether they are or aren’t, if my fears are confirmed and we have another attack, we’ll try again, and then of course get bored or tired or whatever, and pull out again, hoping this time that things will go differntly.
Eventually, they’ll kill us all, or we’ll get the message, and not leave until we’ve solved the problem.
You started out rejecting #43′s solution, then took a long circular route to throwing our hands up in the air. That brings me back to the beginning–nukem.
But not now, not yet. First we have to say in no uncertain terms that the next attack on the US will have a nation in which it was planned and where its participants trained, and when found, its capital city will be vaporized with a nuclear bomb tailored for that particular mission–without warning.
That would ensure that every nation with an ounce of sense would make their intelligence agency’s primary mission the prevention of all activites of terrorist organizations within their countries.
World opinion be damned.
I’m with Diane West, first FIRE the crappy US Commander General John Allen. Strip this jerk-off of his retirement and other benefits and possibly put him on trial for treason.
It’s really hard to watch the US Army screw up so miserably, especially after being in this mix for over a decade. Ten years is half of the average professional soldier’s career in the active duty forces. Some go on for more than 20 years, but many retire at 20 and move to a second career in order to ensure their own survival (financially) once they actually reach the age of “retirement” in their 60s or beyond.
The issue behind our abject failure to see a better result in our “Global War Against Terror” is that we still won’t acknowledge that we, as a non-Muslim people and nation, have been the target of a declared “holy war” from the religious followers of Islam for eons. The Koran dictates to the Muslim people to wage war against unbelievers. We are the infidels and the less-than-human elements that spur the backbone of the Islamic religion into a killing frenzy. We, as a nation and especially as a military, have failed to understand our enemy.
Regretfully, the solution escapes our reach in this advanced era of instant messaging and politically correctness, not to mention the fact that while western society by all measures has actually evolved into a more peace loving society than some of the societies of the world; some who have remained much closer to what is considered the Bronze Age (or perhaps Stone Age) way of thinking.
Is there to be an impetus to force or justify a western developed response capable of solving this problem? This problem has been mitigated to the point where it remained a non-issue several times in the world’s history, but that was during times when the answer was still acceptable to those who controlled the power to do so.
Meanwhile, we civilians can advise our leaders and the military in one of two ways. Remain the course and continue to ask our young warriors to sacrifice themselves on the alter of political correctness and hope, or we can push the fact that humanity has always been subject the the truth that everyone understands pain. The way to win a fight is to defeat your foe. It is OK if your enemy hates you, as long as he fears you. Some disagreements have to end up with one side of the argument dead, buried, and forgotten or the disagreement will never end.
We have the physical capability for now. That will not always be the case. Do we save our way of life and protect our next generation’s future or do we shake our heads and continue to issue more worthless “pocket reference guides” to the troops (today) and eventually the peoples of modern humanity? It is our decision to be made. The time to push this moral dilemma to the future leaders of our country and world has passed. We set the stage for the future.
THIS IS NOT A WAY TO WIN A WAR? BOW DOWN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE….
There is a simple solution that I have rarely heard mentioned. Simply take the troops out of the direct training role. Take the troops out of most direct contact with Afghans and pull back to well secured helicoptor and air bases.
Karzai can fight his own battles and give us a call when he needs a couple A-10′s. Or will it be a wing of Apaches? We could draw down to 20,000 troops behind barbed wire and mine-fields and launch air strikes as needed.
My answer for the Afghan attacks on US troops is carpet bombing. Letting nations that don’t fight wars dictate how the two nations that do fight wars are allowed to fight is a prescription for disaster. If winning in Afghanistan is important, we should fight to win it. If we’re just messing around until we’ve killed enough young Americans (I admit I don’t give a fig for the Afghan dead) before we decide to quit, then we never should have gone into Afghanistan.
Islam is not a religion. Islam is an international criminal conspiracy to overthrow the governments of the world and establish a New World Orderruled by Sharia and controlled by their Mahdi.Their manual, the Koran ,so explicitly states. But, since the Council on Foreign Relations has the same goals, genocide included, its elite are using the ragheads for their country by country takeover. When the islamics are no longer needed they will be terminated with extreme prejudice, along with about 85% of the rest of us.
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