I am not anti women. I am anti anyone who feels they should get the same thing as people who work harder. Some women bust ass and never get married/have kids. No doubt. And if they have the same experience/education as men they’ll earn as much or more. Some men stay home. They can expect to earn less when they reenter too.

Here ya go on the wage gap myth:
http://www.iwf.org/iwfmedia/show/18729.html

I don’t hate blacks. I didn’t say or imply that I did. Learn to read, and stop making assumptions. I hate people that grab onto any slight possible reason for feeling insulted, generally by reading into statements and putting words in people’s mouths. I also hate people that use words about themselves, but then get angry when others do. Respect yourself, others will follow. Anyone remember the “black hole” debacle?

Real women don’t need protecting. We are like Sarah Palin, too busy living our life successfully to realize we are supposed to be perma-victims. Go back to the wimpy-metrosexual-femi-man website.

Thanks,

Jack

Your starting assumption was that the comparison is a man who works 70 hours a week and a woman who works 40 and “take months off at a time”. That, at the least, is pre-judging women as to the amount of time they are willing to work and (presumably) whether they want to or CAN have children (presuming that was your point about months off of work). I’ve known lots of women, they work hard, they put in the hours, some of them have taken time off for children but they have come right back. Regardless, I’m sensing a hostility…why do you (as a “woman”) have such a low opinion of them?

It is a clear fact (state your own facts or go away) that women are paid less than men for equivalent positions in white collar jobs. That you bring up women getting time off and men working harder than women shows you have no idea how hard some women work. “They take months off at a time?” Are you making a generality there? (YES YOU ARE). You pretend to be a Mom, but that doesn’t mean other women can’t work…if you are a woman in fact, do you think you are incapable of working hard? Do you think you can’t do as good of a job as a man? If your answer is that you can’t, then you are so old I’ve never met your ilk. It isn’t about being able to raise kids, its about you saying you couldn’t do as good as a man…and if that’s how you feel, I’m just glad HE (the guy you let control you) let you near the computer for a few minutes, because you’ve been sold a bad bill of goods (which I wouldn’t have even said except I know you are a guy with an axe to grind…Yeah, I know you’ll pretend you aren’t…go a’head, try to sell me…).

And then you go on to say you hate blacks…knock yourself out. You are beyond help and I won’t waste my breath. If you were even a woman, and were still a white supremacist, then you would either try to protect women or you’d be to far beyond help (your last failure to make your case was to tell Meryl she was fine…if you had any respect for women you’d have not said most of what you did…you are pathetic).

Jack

P.S. (You should at least apologize to Meryl and I’ll let the rest go…pretending to be a woman was bad enough, but specifically bringing her into it was WAY out of line…you should really do some soul searching). You won’t but you really should. I don’t expect to reply to you again, but Meryl didn’t deserve to be tied to you…I just hope that in your forthcoming insensitive and ill-thought reply that you at least leave her out of it…by asking that I’m afraid I’m antagonizing you, but I thought I’d ask…

This has been debunked and I am so tired of it. When you control for education, experience, and weekly hours worked, there is NO wage gap. None. Women seem to expect to get paid the same as the man who works 70 hours a week, when they work 40 and take off months at a time. Unfair to those who do put in the extra work. Those 3 years you took off to stay home? The person making more than you now was working those years and gaining experience. And I say that as a mom on year 5 of staying home, and proud of it!

Past that, why on earth do we have to watch what we say about blacks when they sure don’t about us? You expect something, you better be willing to give it as well. Obama was referred to as a suicide bomber because he seems intent on destroying our country, even if he destroys himself in the process. If he were trying to find solutions, we’d be with him. He’s not. He’s making use of a crappy economy to force all sorts of unnecessary and unwanted spending down our throats. He’s never been shy about who he was. Why some people couldn’t see that is beyond my ability to understand.

Meryl, you are just fine. Stick around.

Even more interesting that the mainstream GOP ignored (scorned or mocked is probably a better term) that very message, with the GOP candidates openly smirking and laughing at him during the debates. You had a number of articles (e.g. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22253) where you continually call him “naive”, “outrageous”, etc.

So Ms. Rubin, I have to think of your assertions of “openings” rather ludicrous. The GOP has the same people with the same ideas in the same positions. Anticipating a different result just goes to prove that the GOP has not learned its lessons yet. Watching Romney, Limbaugh, and Jindal echo the same Bush-era talking points is a pretty sorry sight…

Do you know what this moment feels like? Like I’m in Walmart and have just toppled a 15 display, gotten the sticky contents of the containers all over myself and then the PA announcement comes: “CLEANUP ON AISLE 10! CLEANUP ON AISLE 10!”.

Oh well. I think it was some Frenchman intrigued with the amazing success of the American model, “Community is messy.”

I’ve learned some things from our exchange. Thanks. Have a good week.

For me personally, part of that is speaking out and engaging in dialog with people, but not just for the sake of it. It’s to try to take the emotion out of the discussion so we can get to the real point. We are going to have a hard enough time solving this mess without fostering more hate. I feel part of the responsibility to speak out about what I don’t agree with is the responsibility to do it calmly.

Now, I don’t typically spend time tracking and evaluating what other posters say, but in cases where I am questioning someone essentially on their beliefs, I like to do a little homework as I want to be fair. One slip of the keyboard is not the full picture of a person, and I try to keep that in mind (only human, though).

And while you shouldn’t necessarily feel compelled to speak your mind or defend your perspectives, I think it’s a good sign that you care enough to speak up. In essence, you are compelling yourself because it’s important to you, and that’s admirable and not something you should back down from. That is you “acting on your conscience” and as I said, that’s good enough for me. And even “lefties” can be worth talking to if you get the emotion out of it (well, some of us at least…).

Jack

Jack,
Thank you again for the tone and the thoughtfulness of your last response.

Now the rest of you can leave the thread, I have something I want to say to Jack.

It is only in the last year that I have even attempted to enter into discussion with those I disagree with politically or attempted to express my own politics.

I am 64 years old and have always held strong conservative points of view. By “conservative points of view” I mean simply, I guess, “the way I was raised” (Montana farm girl): take care of yourself, give to others whenever you can, tell the truth, know how to work and be willing to work. Until 20 years ago, I never knew those were “conservative” perspectives. I thought they were simply the way life worked.

Because I had never felt compelled to defend those perspectives, I have not had practical, personal experience in pointed personal debate. I realize it shows. Because I have overstepped in getting feelings involved when expressing opinions before, I have struggled with whether to even keep on trying to stay involved in the conversation. I cringe when those from the left come with namecalling attacks based on feelings as well.

A skilled thinker and debater like yourself (no sarcasm intended, just acknowledging your self control and ability to keep digging at the main point) will not always have enough information, especially online, to know when you’re tipping in to an area where there is real anger or fear and, voila! confrontation!!

You apparently spend considerable time on line, tracking and evaluating what individual posters say and linking threads in terms of content. I can’t imagine choosing that level of exposure to debate and argument.

Nevertheless, thank you for your kindness and example.

(All of you others didn’t all leave the thread, did you?!! Here you are still reading!)