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		<title>By: sfcmac</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/treason-at-the-state-department-a-whistleblowers-story/#comment-21446</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this allegation is true, we&#039;re in deep shit.
Clinton and Gore gave classified technology to Chinese and Indonesian arms merchants, who in turn gave thousands of dollars to the DNC&#039;s 1996 re-election campaign. The resulting benefits went to Bejiing and Pyongyang in the form of improved missile technology. The Department of Justice knew. The FBI knew. Neither one did a damned thing about it.

Treason by members of our own government happens a lot more than we know.
I&#039;ll give this to nihilists like Jack Murtha, Harry Reid, and Jim McDermott, at least they&#039;re blatant about it.

We have met the enemy, and it&#039;s our own State Department.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this allegation is true, we&#8217;re in deep shit.<br />
Clinton and Gore gave classified technology to Chinese and Indonesian arms merchants, who in turn gave thousands of dollars to the DNC&#8217;s 1996 re-election campaign. The resulting benefits went to Bejiing and Pyongyang in the form of improved missile technology. The Department of Justice knew. The FBI knew. Neither one did a damned thing about it.</p>
<p>Treason by members of our own government happens a lot more than we know.<br />
I&#8217;ll give this to nihilists like Jack Murtha, Harry Reid, and Jim McDermott, at least they&#8217;re blatant about it.</p>
<p>We have met the enemy, and it&#8217;s our own State Department.</p>
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		<title>By: sfcmac</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/treason-at-the-state-department-a-whistleblowers-story/#comment-21445</link>
		<dc:creator>sfcmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B Dubya:
If you don&#039;t believe Plame deliberately sent her loser of a husband to Niger to concoct disinformation to smear the Bush administration, think again.

Valerie Plame&#039;s occupation was one of the worst kept secrets in Washington.   One of the places she was &quot;outed&quot; was on Page 5710, 2003 Edition of &quot;Who&#039;s Who in America&quot;.  Doesn&#039;t say what her profession is, but &quot;covert&quot; agents aren&#039;t supposed to have their name in print.

Actually, by 2003 she was assigned as a desk jockey at the CIA and hadn&#039;t been &quot;covert&quot; since 1992.
As a matter of fact, her loser husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,  introduced her to everyone they met as his &quot;CIA wife&quot;.

A month before conservative columnist Bob Novak published her name, disclosing her postion as a WMD analyst at the CIA, an interview with then U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, was conducted by none other than Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward. During the exchange, Armitage explained that he already knew about her because Wilson  &#039;was calling everybody&#039;, i.e. reporters and everyone else who would listen.  Looks like Joe had a hand in his wife&#039;s &quot;outing&quot;.

Joe Wilson became unhinged after the discovery of his lies and contrasting statements before and after Plame arranged his trip to Niger.  He&#039;s a has-been with a serious woulda/coulda inferiority complex, who used his wife to prop up his waning career.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B Dubya:<br />
If you don&#8217;t believe Plame deliberately sent her loser of a husband to Niger to concoct disinformation to smear the Bush administration, think again.</p>
<p>Valerie Plame&#8217;s occupation was one of the worst kept secrets in Washington.   One of the places she was &#8220;outed&#8221; was on Page 5710, 2003 Edition of &#8220;Who&#8217;s Who in America&#8221;.  Doesn&#8217;t say what her profession is, but &#8220;covert&#8221; agents aren&#8217;t supposed to have their name in print.</p>
<p>Actually, by 2003 she was assigned as a desk jockey at the CIA and hadn&#8217;t been &#8220;covert&#8221; since 1992.<br />
As a matter of fact, her loser husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson,  introduced her to everyone they met as his &#8220;CIA wife&#8221;.</p>
<p>A month before conservative columnist Bob Novak published her name, disclosing her postion as a WMD analyst at the CIA, an interview with then U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, was conducted by none other than Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward. During the exchange, Armitage explained that he already knew about her because Wilson  &#8216;was calling everybody&#8217;, i.e. reporters and everyone else who would listen.  Looks like Joe had a hand in his wife&#8217;s &#8220;outing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Joe Wilson became unhinged after the discovery of his lies and contrasting statements before and after Plame arranged his trip to Niger.  He&#8217;s a has-been with a serious woulda/coulda inferiority complex, who used his wife to prop up his waning career.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/treason-at-the-state-department-a-whistleblowers-story/#comment-21444</link>
		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s examine in detail one of her charges,Brad and Anne. She claims she heard a Turkish national say that for $500k he could get Hastert to pull the Armenian Resolution.
As far as I can tell this resolution os a Potemkin one--raised regularly to assuage the Armenian community and then dropped because it is so offensive to a key ally.
Therefore, one can safely assume that the person making the offer was simply a crook trying to get money out of someone. When the resolution was dropped as it always is, he could claim credit for it.
Nevertheless, the dummies who fall for this stuff look at Sibel&#039;s &quot;Rogue&#039;s Gallery&quot;, see Hastert&#039;s face in it--and it is in ONLY because of this call--and assume he&#039;s guilty of something nefarious--like taking a $500k bribe--never established--to drop a resolution he&#039;d have been against in any event.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s examine in detail one of her charges,Brad and Anne. She claims she heard a Turkish national say that for $500k he could get Hastert to pull the Armenian Resolution.<br />
As far as I can tell this resolution os a Potemkin one&#8211;raised regularly to assuage the Armenian community and then dropped because it is so offensive to a key ally.<br />
Therefore, one can safely assume that the person making the offer was simply a crook trying to get money out of someone. When the resolution was dropped as it always is, he could claim credit for it.<br />
Nevertheless, the dummies who fall for this stuff look at Sibel&#8217;s &#8220;Rogue&#8217;s Gallery&#8221;, see Hastert&#8217;s face in it&#8211;and it is in ONLY because of this call&#8211;and assume he&#8217;s guilty of something nefarious&#8211;like taking a $500k bribe&#8211;never established&#8211;to drop a resolution he&#8217;d have been against in any event.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/treason-at-the-state-department-a-whistleblowers-story/#comment-21443</link>
		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share this poster&#039;s views entirely:
&quot;Reading through that investigation report used to support Edmonds&#039;s veracity, I&#039;d note she was a part-time (~20 hrs/wk) employee of the FBI investigative services for about five months.

Based on that extensive experience, she&#039;s managed to found a prominent leak organization, achieve steering group leadership in another, and pen assorted Op-Ed primers on proper government processes.

Seems to me she can&#039;t possibly be much of an expert or have had any significant scope, just based on the limited time available. Moreover, this smacks of the general tactic of putting a know-nothing front man with limited experience forward as a stalking horse--Scary Larry[Johnson] as a CIA insider (on the basis of four years of low-level CIA work), J Wilson IV as a WMD expert (on the basis of one 10-day &quot;mission&quot; to Niger)--while actual experts provide inconclusive classified information that&#039;s impossible to defend without [more] major security exposure. &quot;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/01/republicans-san.html#comment-99828696&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/01/republicans-san.html#comment-99828696&lt;/a&gt;





Approaching it from the cui bono perspective, she&#039;d appear to be either a rabid Dem partisan who doesn&#039;t care about national security, or someone who actively supports the jihadists, with a history of false accusations. In any event, a statement from her that serves to discomfit the Administration, or the US government in general ought, in my opinion, to be presumed false until corroborated by a disinterested source.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share this poster&#8217;s views entirely:<br />
&#8220;Reading through that investigation report used to support Edmonds&#8217;s veracity, I&#8217;d note she was a part-time (~20 hrs/wk) employee of the FBI investigative services for about five months.</p>
<p>Based on that extensive experience, she&#8217;s managed to found a prominent leak organization, achieve steering group leadership in another, and pen assorted Op-Ed primers on proper government processes.</p>
<p>Seems to me she can&#8217;t possibly be much of an expert or have had any significant scope, just based on the limited time available. Moreover, this smacks of the general tactic of putting a know-nothing front man with limited experience forward as a stalking horse&#8211;Scary Larry[Johnson] as a CIA insider (on the basis of four years of low-level CIA work), J Wilson IV as a WMD expert (on the basis of one 10-day &#8220;mission&#8221; to Niger)&#8211;while actual experts provide inconclusive classified information that&#8217;s impossible to defend without [more] major security exposure. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/01/republicans-san.html#comment-99828696" rel="nofollow">http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/01/republicans-san.html#comment-99828696</a></p>
<p>Approaching it from the cui bono perspective, she&#8217;d appear to be either a rabid Dem partisan who doesn&#8217;t care about national security, or someone who actively supports the jihadists, with a history of false accusations. In any event, a statement from her that serves to discomfit the Administration, or the US government in general ought, in my opinion, to be presumed false until corroborated by a disinterested source.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/treason-at-the-state-department-a-whistleblowers-story/#comment-21442</link>
		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only did she work there for just a few months--but her work was PART TIMR--ca. 20-25 hours a week.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only did she work there for just a few months&#8211;but her work was PART TIMR&#8211;ca. 20-25 hours a week.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/treason-at-the-state-department-a-whistleblowers-story/#comment-21441</link>
		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea why the govt invoked the State Secrets Act though I suppose it may well have been related to the Franklin case which has now been resolved except for his sentencing and the scheduled AIPAC case. I think what you just did is invole a logical fallacy --you argue that since the govt invoked the Act it must have been to cover up expionage by Grossman, et al..HEH
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea why the govt invoked the State Secrets Act though I suppose it may well have been related to the Franklin case which has now been resolved except for his sentencing and the scheduled AIPAC case. I think what you just did is invole a logical fallacy &#8211;you argue that since the govt invoked the Act it must have been to cover up expionage by Grossman, et al..HEH</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannistraro &amp; Lang, among the VIPsers were the ones who thought

there was some Iraqi/jihadist involvement in OKC; very quickly they dropped that position; and they assign other persons who think similarly &#039;Conspiracy Theorists, neo-cons, fascists, et al. As to Grossman, his first big post was in

Islamabad, Pakistan in the late 70s

(near the Kahuta nuclear reactor)He appears in page 100-101 of the Douglas Frantz book on the AQ Khan

networks; the &quot;Nuclear Jihadist&quot; on an inspection tour of the plant. Interestingly, that anecdote is not linked in the book&#039;s index; which is odd considering the news value of that particular item or not; for

this particular event was in 1978-79. Before Brezinski made that back channel to Saudi General Intelligence

and Pakistani ISI that favored the

Jamaa&#039;ti/Salafi/Wahhabi groups like Hekmatyar&#039;s HizbIslam, MaulviYounis Khalis (father of the Taliban) and Raisul Sayyaf)from whence Bin Laden formed his AQ cadres. Mind you this was before the Soviet invasion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannistraro &amp; Lang, among the VIPsers were the ones who thought</p>
<p>there was some Iraqi/jihadist involvement in OKC; very quickly they dropped that position; and they assign other persons who think similarly &#8216;Conspiracy Theorists, neo-cons, fascists, et al. As to Grossman, his first big post was in</p>
<p>Islamabad, Pakistan in the late 70s</p>
<p>(near the Kahuta nuclear reactor)He appears in page 100-101 of the Douglas Frantz book on the AQ Khan</p>
<p>networks; the &#8220;Nuclear Jihadist&#8221; on an inspection tour of the plant. Interestingly, that anecdote is not linked in the book&#8217;s index; which is odd considering the news value of that particular item or not; for</p>
<p>this particular event was in 1978-79. Before Brezinski made that back channel to Saudi General Intelligence</p>
<p>and Pakistani ISI that favored the</p>
<p>Jamaa&#8217;ti/Salafi/Wahhabi groups like Hekmatyar&#8217;s HizbIslam, MaulviYounis Khalis (father of the Taliban) and Raisul Sayyaf)from whence Bin Laden formed his AQ cadres. Mind you this was before the Soviet invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I can tell of the story, and in speaking to both Edmonds personally, and others familiar with her story, I&#039;d say none of the above hits the mark, Clarice.



But it&#039;s all swell spin.



I&#039;d recommend that folks read the allegations for themselves, as reported by the UK Sunday Times, the American Conservative, Vanity Fair and so many others.



Again, links to most of that coverage, along with our own contributions and exclusives on this story are available here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=58&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=58&lt;/a&gt;



Your efforts to discredit, Clarice, are unfortunate and rather transparent. If there was nothing to her charges, then it seems unlikely the Bush Admin would have invoked the State Secrets Privilege for an unprecedented five years.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can tell of the story, and in speaking to both Edmonds personally, and others familiar with her story, I&#8217;d say none of the above hits the mark, Clarice.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s all swell spin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend that folks read the allegations for themselves, as reported by the UK Sunday Times, the American Conservative, Vanity Fair and so many others.</p>
<p>Again, links to most of that coverage, along with our own contributions and exclusives on this story are available here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=58" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=58</a></p>
<p>Your efforts to discredit, Clarice, are unfortunate and rather transparent. If there was nothing to her charges, then it seems unlikely the Bush Admin would have invoked the State Secrets Privilege for an unprecedented five years.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders with her close work with all the intel officers how many docs she was able to translate in those few months time.
To me, it somes down to three possibilities:
(1) Sibel is mistaken or lying;
(2) Grossman was engaged in illegal espionage and the govt knew it but nevertheless went thru the devastating to the Administration special prosecution of Libby in which it used Grossman as its star witness without divulging this infirmation to the defense;
(3)or three this was not really secret information--and B-J was a front whose existence Grossman was authorized to divulge in the hope of gaining the confidence of someone who might give us valuable info in return.

Which do you think is most likely?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders with her close work with all the intel officers how many docs she was able to translate in those few months time.<br />
To me, it somes down to three possibilities:<br />
(1) Sibel is mistaken or lying;<br />
(2) Grossman was engaged in illegal espionage and the govt knew it but nevertheless went thru the devastating to the Administration special prosecution of Libby in which it used Grossman as its star witness without divulging this infirmation to the defense;<br />
(3)or three this was not really secret information&#8211;and B-J was a front whose existence Grossman was authorized to divulge in the hope of gaining the confidence of someone who might give us valuable info in return.</p>
<p>Which do you think is most likely?</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the OIG report:

According to some media accounts, Edmonds made additional allegations relating to the September 11 terrorist attacks and the allegedly inappropriate reaction by other FBI linguists to those attacks. However, Edmonds never raised those allegations to the OIG, and we did not investigate them in our review. Rather, we understand that staff from the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) interviewed Edmonds regarding these claims. Our review focused on the allegations made by Edmonds to the OIG, particularly Edmonds&#039; allegations regarding the FBI&#039;s handling of the concerns about the co-worker, her allegations about inappropriate practices in the language program, and her allegation that the FBI retaliated against her for raising those allegations
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the OIG report:</p>
<p>According to some media accounts, Edmonds made additional allegations relating to the September 11 terrorist attacks and the allegedly inappropriate reaction by other FBI linguists to those attacks. However, Edmonds never raised those allegations to the OIG, and we did not investigate them in our review. Rather, we understand that staff from the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) interviewed Edmonds regarding these claims. Our review focused on the allegations made by Edmonds to the OIG, particularly Edmonds&#8217; allegations regarding the FBI&#8217;s handling of the concerns about the co-worker, her allegations about inappropriate practices in the language program, and her allegation that the FBI retaliated against her for raising those allegations</p>
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