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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/torture-prosecutions-and-obamas-radical-political-agenda/#comment-371934</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A medal of Freedom award should suffice for Khaled, for all the injustices we did to him and his forbearnce of ur wickedness and sins.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, Dr. L, indeed :)

However if the poor, persecuted KSM (currently serving  as pawn for assorted ACLU types and the machinations of the attorney general) had his way, the infidel would grant him his wish and put him out of his misery.

These poor put upon guys at Guantanamo are fish food for a whole snarky crowd of American lawyers with, undoubtedly, some America haters in the mix.  

They are also valuable as one of the few remaining avenues to &quot;get&quot; Cheney/Bush, ideally directly, but obliquely through the CIA might have to do.

Alas, the poor Khalid Sheikh Mohammed &amp; friends will just have to postpone meeting up with the virgins for awhile, very frustrating, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A medal of Freedom award should suffice for Khaled, for all the injustices we did to him and his forbearnce of ur wickedness and sins.</i></p>
<p>Indeed, Dr. L, indeed <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However if the poor, persecuted KSM (currently serving  as pawn for assorted ACLU types and the machinations of the attorney general) had his way, the infidel would grant him his wish and put him out of his misery.</p>
<p>These poor put upon guys at Guantanamo are fish food for a whole snarky crowd of American lawyers with, undoubtedly, some America haters in the mix.  </p>
<p>They are also valuable as one of the few remaining avenues to &#8220;get&#8221; Cheney/Bush, ideally directly, but obliquely through the CIA might have to do.</p>
<p>Alas, the poor Khalid Sheikh Mohammed &amp; friends will just have to postpone meeting up with the virgins for awhile, very frustrating, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftist talking points, in the US since 2006 when i started tracking them, have been gutted now.Three people were tortured using techniques very similar to Navy seals training.In other words they blew everything out of proportion,fell for enemy propaganda, and used fear to win votes.We are dealing with an enemy who doesnt give a rats ass about human rights,the geneva convention,or the rule of law.Im talking about the Taliban and their ilk around the globe not republicans.
I was right to support Mccain,even though some conservative circles didnt like him.I suspect Obama will be a one term president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftist talking points, in the US since 2006 when i started tracking them, have been gutted now.Three people were tortured using techniques very similar to Navy seals training.In other words they blew everything out of proportion,fell for enemy propaganda, and used fear to win votes.We are dealing with an enemy who doesnt give a rats ass about human rights,the geneva convention,or the rule of law.Im talking about the Taliban and their ilk around the globe not republicans.<br />
I was right to support Mccain,even though some conservative circles didnt like him.I suspect Obama will be a one term president.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m gonna go out on a limb here and give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I think people in his government act like they run their own private fiefdoms and pretty much do as they like without consulting the boss.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not guilty by reason of managerial incompetence? But obviously, he was a much better choice that Palin. She didn&#039;t know what she was doing. He....err....umm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m gonna go out on a limb here and give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I think people in his government act like they run their own private fiefdoms and pretty much do as they like without consulting the boss.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not guilty by reason of managerial incompetence? But obviously, he was a much better choice that Palin. She didn&#8217;t know what she was doing. He&#8230;.err&#8230;.umm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SukieTawdry</title>
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		<dc:creator>SukieTawdry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess I&#039;m at a loss to understand what they expect to get out of this.

When it comes to governing, the Obama cartel stinks on ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess I&#8217;m at a loss to understand what they expect to get out of this.</p>
<p>When it comes to governing, the Obama cartel stinks on ice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been told for years now that Fascism was coming to America,  notably by quite a few repeat subscribers to this site; and they were evidently right. I didn&#039;t believe them, and for years just laughed at their declarations. But, I have changed my mind...they were right...they were just off by 1 presidential election...which, when you consider the percentages, isn&#039;t bad...within 3%. I most heartily congratulate them on their accurate prediction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been told for years now that Fascism was coming to America,  notably by quite a few repeat subscribers to this site; and they were evidently right. I didn&#8217;t believe them, and for years just laughed at their declarations. But, I have changed my mind&#8230;they were right&#8230;they were just off by 1 presidential election&#8230;which, when you consider the percentages, isn&#8217;t bad&#8230;within 3%. I most heartily congratulate them on their accurate prediction!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Lumplevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Lumplevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A medal of Freedom award should suffice for Khaled, for all the injustices we did to him and his forbearnce of ur wickedness and sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A medal of Freedom award should suffice for Khaled, for all the injustices we did to him and his forbearnce of ur wickedness and sins.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Lumplevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Lumplevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would fulifill Pres. Obama&#039;s vow to &quot;look forward rather than back&quot; if he would immediately prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, all the top CIA officials, Pentagon officials, and throw in Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin just because they are hateful, subhuman slime. It would move us forward to a society of social justice and progressivism.

After that we should name Ground Zero &quot;Mohammad Atta Islamic Peace Plaza.&quot; (Some of us in the progressive movement think it should be named after Sheik Mohammad Khalid, but the moderates amongst us prevalied with this suggestion.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would fulifill Pres. Obama&#8217;s vow to &#8220;look forward rather than back&#8221; if he would immediately prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, all the top CIA officials, Pentagon officials, and throw in Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin just because they are hateful, subhuman slime. It would move us forward to a society of social justice and progressivism.</p>
<p>After that we should name Ground Zero &#8220;Mohammad Atta Islamic Peace Plaza.&#8221; (Some of us in the progressive movement think it should be named after Sheik Mohammad Khalid, but the moderates amongst us prevalied with this suggestion.)</p>
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		<title>By: LeighB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeighB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a positive note, it looks like &quot;The Globe&quot; is looking into the birth certificate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a positive note, it looks like &#8220;The Globe&#8221; is looking into the birth certificate issue.</p>
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		<title>By: jkumpire</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkumpire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert V,

I am not a big net maven, but to use common web language:

I call BS on your post. Let&#039;s see the data to back up your crap, and let&#039;s see if it is real, or just some tissue paper some leftist geek web site with a server, a fax machine, and a copy of some phone numbers blew his nose on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert V,</p>
<p>I am not a big net maven, but to use common web language:</p>
<p>I call BS on your post. Let&#8217;s see the data to back up your crap, and let&#8217;s see if it is real, or just some tissue paper some leftist geek web site with a server, a fax machine, and a copy of some phone numbers blew his nose on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DavidN</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a rather obscure and silly debate. I vote for the incompetence angle as to what&#039;s going on. How else to explain the rather public debate between Panetta and Holder? Obama surely can&#039;t be behind both men, and both are experienced political insiders who are part of the Washington Democratic power structure. Saying he&#039;s endorsing one or the other of them is to my mind premature, without him saying so himself, and so far he&#039;s not said anything like &quot;We need to prosecute these people.&quot;

As to which war belongs to which president, and which one was/is successful, both wars belonged to President Bush while he was in office, and both of them now belong to President Obama. That simple. What most critics of the war in Iraq don&#039;t understand (largely because of ignorance) is the differences between the two wars, which are profound. We overran Iraq conventionally, with an army led by tanks and armored personnel carriers, and covered by extensive air power. That army, or a portion of it, occupied the country and fought a pretty conventional counterinsurgency against Al Qaeda and the various other groups opposing our presence. Our forces used tanks, artillery, and air power liberally, where it was appropriate and we could minimize or even better negate civilian casualties. The war has for the most part been fought by the regular army and the conventional wing of the U.S. Marine Corps.

Afghanistan is a completely different war. While we have access to Iraq via seaports, we&#039;ve never had that with Afghanistan. This means that everything we use in Afghanistan has to be flown in, and that in turn means we have always deployed a much smaller, more lightly-armed force there. The idea that when we invaded Iraq we had to redeploy large forces from Afghanistan to do so is ludicrous on its face, at least as far as ground forces go. The invasion of Iraq involved more than a hundred thousand troops: our troop strength in Afghanistan was always kept low, typically below 15,000. Not only that, but the troops involved in Afghanistan have tended to be of the more irregular variety: Special Forces, Rangers, light infantry, that sort of thing. Artillery has only rarely been used, and we&#039;ve never even tried to move a tank or any sort of armored personnel carrier into the country, as far as I am aware. This has always been the case: it was true when Bush was president, and it&#039;ll remain the case under Obama. President Obama is trying to move resources from one country to the other, but I think he&#039;ll be reduced to doing cosmetic things to show he&#039;s fulfilling campaign promises: near as I can tell the military doesn&#039;t want the heavy stuff in Afghanistan, anyway. They think it&#039;ll be counterproductive. Air power is serving as our artillery, for the most part, and while that&#039;s not always a perfect solution it&#039;s the best one given the logistics situation. Artillery is always difficult to supply with enough ammo, because the shells weigh so much individually.

I always said that the war in Afghanistan would be a long one, and nothing I&#039;ve seen since I said it originally (in the days after 9/11) has disabused me of the notion. The country&#039;s terrain makes guerilla warfare much more easy than it otherwise would be, and the people, especially the Pashtuns in the south and east, are among the most hostile to outsiders, in some ways anyway, in the world. The idea that we were going to invade, remove the government and replace it with a democracy, and then convince an illiterate and ignorant goatherd from the hills near the Khyber Pass that not only should he be voting for a government in Kabul (where he&#039;s never been) but his wife or wives should be voting alongside him, is one that boggles the mind. It&#039;s going to take a generation or two for us to convince them of this, and in the meanwhile, there will be fighting. Anyone who says otherwise either isn&#039;t paying attention, or doesn&#039;t want to tell the truth because of some agenda they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a rather obscure and silly debate. I vote for the incompetence angle as to what&#8217;s going on. How else to explain the rather public debate between Panetta and Holder? Obama surely can&#8217;t be behind both men, and both are experienced political insiders who are part of the Washington Democratic power structure. Saying he&#8217;s endorsing one or the other of them is to my mind premature, without him saying so himself, and so far he&#8217;s not said anything like &#8220;We need to prosecute these people.&#8221;</p>
<p>As to which war belongs to which president, and which one was/is successful, both wars belonged to President Bush while he was in office, and both of them now belong to President Obama. That simple. What most critics of the war in Iraq don&#8217;t understand (largely because of ignorance) is the differences between the two wars, which are profound. We overran Iraq conventionally, with an army led by tanks and armored personnel carriers, and covered by extensive air power. That army, or a portion of it, occupied the country and fought a pretty conventional counterinsurgency against Al Qaeda and the various other groups opposing our presence. Our forces used tanks, artillery, and air power liberally, where it was appropriate and we could minimize or even better negate civilian casualties. The war has for the most part been fought by the regular army and the conventional wing of the U.S. Marine Corps.</p>
<p>Afghanistan is a completely different war. While we have access to Iraq via seaports, we&#8217;ve never had that with Afghanistan. This means that everything we use in Afghanistan has to be flown in, and that in turn means we have always deployed a much smaller, more lightly-armed force there. The idea that when we invaded Iraq we had to redeploy large forces from Afghanistan to do so is ludicrous on its face, at least as far as ground forces go. The invasion of Iraq involved more than a hundred thousand troops: our troop strength in Afghanistan was always kept low, typically below 15,000. Not only that, but the troops involved in Afghanistan have tended to be of the more irregular variety: Special Forces, Rangers, light infantry, that sort of thing. Artillery has only rarely been used, and we&#8217;ve never even tried to move a tank or any sort of armored personnel carrier into the country, as far as I am aware. This has always been the case: it was true when Bush was president, and it&#8217;ll remain the case under Obama. President Obama is trying to move resources from one country to the other, but I think he&#8217;ll be reduced to doing cosmetic things to show he&#8217;s fulfilling campaign promises: near as I can tell the military doesn&#8217;t want the heavy stuff in Afghanistan, anyway. They think it&#8217;ll be counterproductive. Air power is serving as our artillery, for the most part, and while that&#8217;s not always a perfect solution it&#8217;s the best one given the logistics situation. Artillery is always difficult to supply with enough ammo, because the shells weigh so much individually.</p>
<p>I always said that the war in Afghanistan would be a long one, and nothing I&#8217;ve seen since I said it originally (in the days after 9/11) has disabused me of the notion. The country&#8217;s terrain makes guerilla warfare much more easy than it otherwise would be, and the people, especially the Pashtuns in the south and east, are among the most hostile to outsiders, in some ways anyway, in the world. The idea that we were going to invade, remove the government and replace it with a democracy, and then convince an illiterate and ignorant goatherd from the hills near the Khyber Pass that not only should he be voting for a government in Kabul (where he&#8217;s never been) but his wife or wives should be voting alongside him, is one that boggles the mind. It&#8217;s going to take a generation or two for us to convince them of this, and in the meanwhile, there will be fighting. Anyone who says otherwise either isn&#8217;t paying attention, or doesn&#8217;t want to tell the truth because of some agenda they have.</p>
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