Tom Friedman Has the Wrong Narrative on Islamic Hatred
Thomas Friedman’s explanation of why Major Nidal Hasan murdered 13 people at Ft. Hood, and why Arabs and Muslims hate America, misses the point. How does such a bright, articulate journalist get it so wrong?
Friedman correctly blames what he calls “The Narrative” — the “cocktail of half-truths, propaganda, and outright lies about America.” For example, there is the Arab perception of an “American/Crusader/Zionist conspiracy” against Muslims. However, his analysis misunderstands the problem and misleads readers by ignoring the central place of jihad in Muslim and Arab thinking.
Asking why Muslims “take to the streets” over a cartooned Muhammad (minus the murder and mayhem) but won’t protest Muslim suicide bombers is a proper recognition of fault, but it also confuses the nature of the conflict.
Jihad is to Islam what belief in Jesus is to Christianity or following Torah is to Judaism. Jihad is essential to “The Narrative,” and understanding the threat of jihad is essential to non-Muslims.
As interpreted by Muslim clerics, jihad means enforcing the superiority of Muslims and Muslim law over anything and anyone else. Islam does not preach tolerance. It is a religion of totalitarianism.
Friedman laments:
Don’t they appreciate how much we’ve done for them … trillions of dollars, thousands of American and allied soldiers lives lost to bring democracy and stability to Iraq and Afghanistan?
Of course they do not appreciate what we have done.
For many, Israel is the “oppressor of Muslims” and the “occupier of Arab land.” A reasonable conclusion might suggest the U.S. drop relations with Israel in order to improve relationships with Arabs and Muslims. This seems to be Obama’s policy — weaken Israel, force it back to the armistice lines of 1949, and arm Palestinians to the teeth.
Then, miraculously, Arabs and Muslims will embrace America’s “crusade” against Muslim countries. No more 9/11s and Ft. Hoods. A second Arab Palestinian state will make things better! No more nasty jihad!
Moshe Dann:
“Friedman’s take on ‘The Narrative’ is not a solution. It’s part of the problem.”
Very true. But his “take” isn’t due to naivete or misunderstanding. It’s a crafty, deliberate lie.
Thomas Friedman wants to see Israel destroyed. He’s always wanted that, and he always will.
Re your comment that middle easterners hate westerners’ “democracy, tolerance, & modernity”, you didn’t elaborate…and elaboration is necessary for our understanding. I have lived in the middle east (as an American civilian contractor), & I found our “Modernity” to be even more repulsive to the middle easterners than our approval of Israel. American analists do not understand the importance of the middle easterners continuing to control their women…their sisters, their wives, & their daughters. The control is much more extreme than their demand that the women cover their bodies. “Their women” (even in fully covered garb) must not even enter a doctor’s waiting room if a man is there! If a man happens to visit his male friend in his house, the woman must immediately cover her body & face. If “the women” are never even seen by men, they won’t stray. Control…that’s the issue. The middle easterners look at the clothing & behavior of western women and see their daughters begin to copy us. Intolerable! This ain’t complicated heavy stuff. Our influence on “their women” is 75% of their problem with us. It’s that simple.
You always hear a lot about “moderate” Muslims. I always thought this was like trying to convince people that there are open-minded Ku Klux Klan members, but, hey, I could be wrong. Anyway, I heard all three of these “moderate” Muslims got together for a convention in Islamabad, Pakistan, and they decided at the end of the conference to keep their mouths shut because they were afraid of being executed by the Taliban if they dared speak out. They also decided to take out their frustrations by going home and beating their wives and blaming them for wanting such unbelievable “rights” like driving a car, going to school, or NOT having to go outside dressed like a lamp shade. But these three brave “moderates” decided to cheer themselves up after this letdown by watching some good old-fashioned Jew hating on Al Jazeera, followed by a public stoning of a gay man. Then, to cap off the day, they would be attending the wedding of one of their friends, a nice 47-year-old man who was marrying his 12-year-old cousin. They brought their wedding presents with them (four goats and twelve chickens) and had their wedding reception in a cave. Yes, it turned out to be a great day after all, except for the odd Predator drone missile strikes every now and then. But in everyone’s life a little rain (and missiles) must fall, right? When thinking about these “moderate” Muslims that people like Tom Friedman always seems to talk about, I wonder what Islam’s excuse was in attacking American merchant ships off the Barbary Coast in 1800, starting America’s first major overseas war? Israel didn’t exist then, so I guess we can’t blame it on the Jews. Nope, Islam and Muslims just hate anybody who’s not like them. And instead of blaming their many failings on their own greed, ignorance, and superstition, they need a scapegoat, so they blame everybody else, be they Christians, Jews, Hindus. But maybe we’re approaching this in the wrong way. You think if we give each Muslim a goat or a chicken, they’ll like us then? Don’t count on it.
‘“Whenever something like Fort Hood happens you say, ‘This is not Islam.’ I believe that.’–Friedman
Believe whatever you want to, but it is PART of Islam, dude.
Saying it isn’t is like saying that putting Jews into ovens wasn’t part of Nazism.
Shutting your eyes won’t make an unpleasant truth go away.
You know the truly funny but sad part of all this? That anyone actually believes America is on a “crusade” against Muslims. If we as a nation were to actually set our national will on wiping out Muslims it would be a done deal and we probably wouldn’t even need nukes to do it.
We wouldn’t be allowing any more Muslims into America if this were so, which we really shouldn’t be doing anyway since the majority refuse to assimilate. Those that are already here would be put into camps like the Japanese were in WWII or deported. None of this is happening.
This entire argument about establishing a Palestinian state was preempted by the UN. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_181. The problem then, as now, was the Arab’s refusal to accept the division of Palestine between Israel and the New Arab State. They can go pound sand.
Moshe Dann has it right, but does not fully appreciate the depth of his position. Even “the clash of civilizations” explanation does not focus the mind on the possibilities. What we have here is an existential choice point. Failure to confront Islamism in its ideas and behaviors will likely determine the future of the immediate and intermediate direction of the world. The hope that Friedman and his odoriferous ilk can define away a threat that is maintained by individuals, families, villages, cities and whole countries that are unaffected by his words is at the disaster’s roots and represents an intellectual failing of the highest order. It would seem that until threat comes to his personal door, he will not grasp the need for a change in the way he “frames” the problem. His current mode of “framing” is simply designed to avoid bothersome interpretations that would disturb his sleep.
¡It’s Amazin’!
Don Moisesito de Dann (“Who?”) actually manages to make one feel a little sympathy with little Tommy Wobble of the big moustache!
Fortunately the present keyboard expressed its own views [1] on the scribble in question before encountering the latest pajamatarian neoturkey.
Healthy days.
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Tom Friedman needs to bring his ever present scowl to Israel. In short order we can escort him to ALL the gravesites, to ALL the rehabs where victims of Islamic jihad have executed their handiwork.
IF that is not enough proof for him we can sit him down for various screenings of several explicit films directed by Pierre Rehov, the filmmaker of record, who documents jihad-up close and personal.
IF that is not enough proof for him there are few streets in Israel which do not bear the scars of the bloody results of Islamic inspired jihad, a totalitarian political ideology, masked underneath ‘religion’-he can tour them all.
In any case, IF he is loathe to travel to the jihad driven Middle East he can just take a stroll in downtown NYC where the Twin Towers used to be.Hmm.
Egotists NEVER learn their lessons, and Tom is a major league player!
For too long, we in the West have bought into the narrative created by the left during the late 60s (further solidified by the writings of Edward Said a decade later): that Israel is an oppressor against Palestinians. At that point in time, not many in the West were very familiar with the Middle East and its problems. But today things are different, and we need a different narrative.
That narrative is what I call the Middle East minorities problem. Throughout the Middle East, there is a dominant group, Arabs who are Sunni Muslims, and there are various minorities. These include Arabs who are Shiite Muslims, various Christian groups (the Copts, for example), the Jews, Kurds, blacks, and others. Some of them, the Turks and the Persians, are lucky enough to have their own long-established countries. The Jews are unlucky in that while they have a country, it is not yet accepted. Then there are people like the Kurds and the Copts who may never have their own countries and must exist as minorities among people who barely tolerate them.
There is nothing I’ve read about the Middle East that suggests that Arab Sunni Muslims are wonderful in their treatment of minorities. In fact, they look pretty awful. And in which country are minority rights most respected? Why, in Israel.
For too long, we’ve let the wrong narrative color our dealings with these people. Instead of sympathizing with Palestinians, we should be telling them to shut up, that they are not oppressed and that even if they are, they are not innocent because they are would-be oppressors themselves. Their track record of dealing with minorities (and women and homosexuals) is awful. Finally, they can’t even deal with other Palestinians decently. We know about how Hamas treated Fatah supporters in Gaza, for they were treated worse by Hamas than they were by the Israelis.
Maybe if this narrative — and I think it was Jeffery Goldberg who first came up with it — were to be promoted often enough, we could stop this nonsense about the Palestinians, or at least put them on the defensive.
It’s no surprise that the left in this country fell hook line and sinker for the scam of global warming, they’ve been living in one fantasy after another ever since LBJ declared war on poverty and air dropped food parcels into one of the wealthiest communities in the SE because it seemed so isolated when looking at maps in the oval office. Friedman is typical of those on the left who have lived in one fantasy bubble after another ever since they were cheerleading the War on Poverty and protesting Vietnam. None of them can cope with reality and they’ve frittered away wealth their parents and grandparents created along with everything they could extort from the middle class in order to be sure they never have.
Regards
I respect Islam as much as it respects me. Friedman is a coward and a fool for seeking compromise with an enemy seeking his destruction.
For example, there is the Arab perception of an “American/Crusader/Zionist conspiracy” against Muslims.
We give Israel 3 billion a year and we’ve occupied two countries of the Islamic world under false pretenses. Yeah, what a crazy conspiracy theory.
@ Lou Floospin : We give Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq etc. more than the 3 billion a year and we fought several wars to free Muslim countries (Bosnia,Kosovo,Kuwait,Iraq, Afghanistan) from foreign occupation or domestic tyranny. Yeah, what a crazy conspiracy theory.
Of course, Friedman is an idiot. The NYT would not have him if he weren’t.
What is most important to remember about the Muslim world is that Palestinian Lynching kills more Palestinians than all of the Israeli wars combined. Some 900 Palestinians last year were taken from their homes at night and hung from lamp poles and other public sites.
The remark that Muslim leaders are trying to drag society back to the 8th century is frequently discounted by the ignorant and the stupid. Nevertheless, what has to be absorbed is that in the 8th century Muslim leaders were trying to drag the world back to pre-Roman times. How much more sophisticated was the Egypt that confronted Julius Caesar than today’s Egypt?
Islam is a true reactionary society that has rolled back every society that they are participants in.
Conemorn. You don’t know what you’re talking about. We give Egypt three billion a year as a result of the Camp David agreement, along with Israel. The amount of aid we give Jordan, Lebanon [and I don't know why you count Iraq, we're technically at war with Iraq]. We’ve fought no wars to “free” muslim countries. Stupidest thing I’ve ever read. The saddest thing about your post is that you are allowed to vote.
“5. Real Deal:
None of this is happening.”
Unfortunately.
“The amount of aid we give Jordan, Lebanon [and I don't know why you count Iraq, we're technically at war with Iraq]. We’ve fought no wars to “free” muslim countries. Stupidest thing I’ve ever read.”
Hah! YOU dare to call *anyone* stupid?
“Technically,” dear boy, our state of war with Iraq (which began in January 1991) ended in June 2004. Since that time Iraq has become a US ally, to whom of course we give a lot of money. It may be true that we are desultorily at war *in* Iraq, but we are at war in alliance with the Iraqis against their enemies, chiefly al-Qaeda (most of whom are not Iraqis).
No wars to free Muslim countries? Right. I’d love to hear how you get around Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo.
“Technically,” dear boy, our state of war with Iraq (which began in January 1991) ended in June 2004. Since that time Iraq has become a US ally, to whom of course we give a lot of money.No wars to free Muslim countries? Right. I’d love to hear how you get around Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Don’t get jealous. You’re still the stupidest poster here. Technically indeed. That’s why five years later, we’ve still got tens of thousands of troops there and are engaged in counter-insurgency operations. I don’t need to get around Kuwait, Bosnia, Kosovo. You are apparently fond of pretext, since it gives you an excuse to stop thinking, which is not your strong suit. In your world, apparently, whatever the government says is enough for you; we also went to Grenada to support democracy. Don’t strain your mouth as you fellate the man’s knightstick, you little boot-licking pansy.
UPDATE DECEMBER 1oth
Five American Muslims arrested in Pakistan caught trying to sneak into Afghanistan to KILL AMERICANS.
1. There are NO Muslim-Americans. Allah does not allow divided allegiances.
2. There are NO “moderate” Muslims. “Radical” muslims are simply those that
take what the Koran commands seriously. Muslims that are “moderate” are
simply those that have not yet switched on.
#19
Tsk, tsk. Such language. Lefties still in a red rage because we beat the snot out of their Baathist/terrorist pals in Iraq.
That’s just too sad.
Guess you’ll just have to learn to live with it, cupcake.
@ 19: Isn’t it funny – when leftists are called out and proven wrong they resort to diatribe and profanities.
Lou, part of your problem is that you live in a world without diversity of thought due in large part to our educators, particularly at the college level. However, despite the fact that you have not been trained in proper advocacy skills, please try to keep the debate civil.
Swampy
Swamp Thing:
I find nothing more humorous than people who insist on a bigoted, ahistorical and fact-immune discourse designed to create pretext for never-ending war pleading for civilized discourse. Civility is for humans with intact hemispherical connections, you POS. But please don’t stop crying about how mean the left is, it really is funny.
Thomas Friedman is “bright and articulate”? Who knew?
Friedman is a hack and he always has been. I could forgive a hack who had a little imagination and the ability to turn a good phrase, but, alas, Friedman is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill dullard who never met a sentence whose syntax he could resist mangling in the most merciless and gruesome ways imaginable. And for what? Just so he can indulge his penchant for breathless name dropping and regurgitating the most banal kind of conventional wisdom and wishful thinking as though it was some sort of earth-shaking epiphany.
I’m constantly astonished that anyone takes his drivel seriously. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why he still has a job.
#13 – Is that a joke or ignorance?
Other than a portion of Saudi Arabia, the entire “Islamic World” is on territory it occupied by force, usually including mass murder and always including slavery (to this very day).
Rather than apologizing for occupying “two Islamic” countries, the Western world should be apologizing for allowing untold millions to live and die under the oppression of Islam once it had the capability to free them. The only crazy conspiracy theory regarding Islam is the drumbeat of lies about it being a religion of peace or anything else other than an oppressive, backwards, murderous, cult of murder and repression.
have a nice day
I’m constantly astonished that anyone takes his drivel seriously. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why he still has a job.
Amen to that Ephraim. I wonder the same thing of all the idiots who supported the invasion of Iraq.
look here all of you high school drop out simpletons going forward(HSDOS) including Moshe Dann ( which I did not know they had high school drop outs in israel!) with the exception of #2..
why is there a counry now called Israel: are you ready HSDOS: because the Chritian Germans decided to eliminate 6 million innocent people who happened to be Jews!! get it? Moshe do you get it?
Ok: Moshe you simpleton: anyone who is saying the Jews are causing problems is a racist. it is the Israeli government. so here is a surprise for all you HSDOS:
I am:
1- An Iranian Muslim
2-I work for the Jews
3-My daughter in Law is Jew… which means my grand kids will be born as Jews. right moshe you simpleton?
3-I have been dating a Jewish women for 5 years.. one would say that I am not an anti semite, or anti Jews or any other labels you muslim and black hating people may have for me… By the way any Jew that critizes the Israeli government is called”self Hating Jew”.
Moshe and rest of you here: look those who want to see or act on destrying the State of Israel is terrorist and needs to be dealt with accordingly.
as an Iranian I hate the Iranian government but hate the Israeli government as much if not more for the crimes and attrocities they have and are commitiing with the help of our federal tax dollars… now Moshe: by the way how come you did not finish high school? here is the solution to Israeli and Palastinian problem. only us here in the states and Israelis over there.. we do not need Palastinans, Egypt, mediators etc.
1- we should politly ask the Israeli government to go back to 1967 borders. Because the Israeli government is arrogant they will refuse.
Moshe you simpleton you will then ask what next? ready for the answer!!! ready!! Our mighty Air Force!!! yes! can you beleive it!!! you are shocked now Moshe aren’t you!!! then you say how? are you ready for the answer? bomb the hell out of the settlements!!! you see how simple this is!!!!
Now you ask how can the Israeli government help? Dynamite!! yes! can you believe it?!!!! the Isralei government should go and blow up every religious site that is sacred to Jews, Muslims and Christians and then tell the Jews, Muslims and Christians to all go and f….k themselve and build parks on thoses sites and see how fast muslims, Jews and Christians get together and enjoy the scenery in peace. if the Israli government does not have the money to do this have them call me up and I wire up the money to them. this will make me and Israeli government the best thing that ever happened to humanity!!! ok now we have the polotics out of the way I would like to share something personal with you all and Moshe you can dive in and let me know what you think..
Jewish Women: I love them!!!! I adore them!!
Moshe: I took a trip to Haifa and Tel Aviv I did not like them there.. I even took a trip 6 month ago and I went to Shiraz, Iran and I did not like them there either… I travel to Europe a lot and I did not like them there either.. Only the ones that are born and bred right here in New Jersey, New York and Long Island!!! I can spot them from a mile away!! the jappier the better I like them!! it is hot!! My male Jewish frinds think I am totally out of my mind!!! I just thought I should share this with everyone…By the way I woud be very intrested to hear from male and femal Jews here what you think…
The Persian emipre fell. Alexader the great faded, the Romans fell, the Egyptians fell. The ottmoman Emipire fell the Nazis fell and but a small groups people perhaps as many as only 20 million managed to survive through all of this. JEWS. there is something t be said. I greatly admire these people. it is now 2:30 PM here in New York City and I am going to make my way to the nearest Mosque for the afternoon prayers and get on my hands and knees and pray to the mighty Allah! TO FURTHER EXPAND AND EXPEDITE ISLAM’S INFLUENCE IN TH WEST!!!!!!! woo hoo!!!!
re Floospin or what Achmed’s boyfriend’s stupid name is:
“Stupidest thing I’ve ever read. The saddest thing about your post is that you are allowed to vote.”
The saddest thing is that you are allowed on our internet.
You dumb leftist whore for jihad; they will slice your head off as soon as they are done with you. Maybe it will make the net so we can check off one less oxygen thief.
I was just happy to see that Friedman didn’t vomit up the standard moral equivalence of fundamental Christianity vs. Islam.
However, jihad is simply the necessary relief valve to get rid of extra men, who are the result of polygamy. It’s a diabolic strategy. It is simple demographic mathematics. Even our home grown polygamists dumped their extra teenage boys in strange towns to achieve their 3 females to 1 male population. Someday I hope the churches and editorialists will realize this (beyond Phyllis Chestler). It’s not just a Hefner do-your-own-thing; this is a 1300 year system.
The saddest thing is that you are allowed on our internet.
Thanks. The idea of an illiterate moron like you having anything to do with the existence of the internet will provide chuckles for the remainder of the day.
Our friend floosspin, spitting and cursing like a demon possessed being, does succeed in demonstrating that jihad is not an intellectual mistake; not a matter of identifying with a variant narrative. It is a pathological, affective-emotional-perversion, to which reason is no antidote. Hatred is the true origin of stories that justify hatred. Arab “leaders” (especially in the terrritories) teach their children at home and in “school” to hate the Jews and to stand ready to kill them, so as to make them (children and Pals in general) a tool of political and religious hegemony. The present Palestinian nation is incapable of wanting or making peace with those they have learned to hate. Any “leader” who agrees to any peace with Israel will be killed by his “followers.”
If the Palestinians could throw off their vampirish leaders and make, not just peace, but friends with Israel they could have peace, prosperity and greater freedom. Expect instead more war via “peace process.”
The weather vane of conventional wisdom, Friedman cannot fathom the irrational roots of human behavior. He’s to be pitied. So is flooospin.
Back in your cave, your camel needs servicing.
And we all note that you and Mullah Omar and the taliban and al queda ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE:
December 10, 2009 12:00 AM
Through Our Enemies’ Eyes
Enough about you; what did Mullah Omar think of Obama’s West Point speech?
Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Afghan Taliban leader, clearly would have been happier had Obama taken Michael Moore’s advice and begun to withdraw, rather than increase troop levels in Afghanistan. Just before the president took the stage at West Point, Mullah Omar issued a message calling upon his fighters not to be discouraged, but to continue the jihad until every American and European troop is driven from Afghanistan.
Ahmed Rashid, the well-known Pakistani journalist, called the ten-page message, delivered to him and a few other reporters by e-mail in English and two Afghan languages, “an unprecedented propaganda blitz.” Rashid observed: “Mullah Omar has previously denied that the Taliban are allied to al-Qaeda, although it is apparent that the Taliban’s new media strategy has emanated from al-Qaeda tutoring.”
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjIwYzhkNGM0ODBiZTcwMjVlZWMwMzk5NDkxZDFiMTg=
“But please don’t stop crying about how mean the left is”
No we’re not crying at all, laddie: we’re laughing. At you.
Let me use small words for the sake of your atrophied pithecene cerebrum; perhaps they might penetrate even your bony browridge. We are all rolling on the (figurative) floor because you so perfectly and cluelessly illustrate the well-known phenomenon that libtards, incapable of marshaling a cogent argument, even with falsehoods much less facts, have no rhetorical posture left when thwacked than to resort, as you do, to the verbal analog of howler monkeys flinging poo.
Now go away and masturbate to your Howard Zinn poster.
Bohemond.
I find nothing more humorous than people who insist on a bigoted, ahistorical and fact-immune discourse designed to create pretext for never-ending war pleading for civilized discourse. Civility is for humans with intact hemispherical connections, you POS. But please don’t stop crying about how mean the left is, it really is funny.
What I find even funnier is those that cry about it, while they are insulting others. There’s nothing more obviously stupid than that.
Christian hatred is far more worrisome. After all, the christians are right here trying to suck people into their stupid bigotry and hate for other religions. That’s just the cap on on their deep hatreds and provincial stupidity.
My my Lou old boy, you certainly are a bitter soul. And the left thinks there can be peace on earth when we have hateful people like Lou Floospin around. Re-read some of your own posts and try to soak in how hateful you really are.
TriGeek. When in doubt simply whine about the left. I’ve not said that I’m on the left, nor have I written anything that could be construed that way. What you mouth-breathing troglodytes don’t understand is how much animosity at your militant stupidity comes from libertarians, from real conservatives and from people who eschew labels.
If they didn’t blame the left, they’d have to take responsibility for their own ridiculous positions. Now who’d want to do that, Floopsie?
Unfortunately, Tom Friedman like so many others in the clueless sector, are still on a learning curve.
TOM ! IF YOU ARE LISTENING, UNTIL YOU LEARN ABOUT IZLAM, IT’S HISTORY, TEXTS, LAWS, IDEOLOGY ,MODUS OPERENDUM,………ETC…. YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR LEFT SHOE FROM SHINOLA!
Start with the people who have ESCAPED from the HELL of izlam, like Ayan Hirsu Ali, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina,Brigitte Gabriel,Wafa Sultan and Nonie Darwish and then come back and tell us all about the wrong narrative.
Tom…..are you listening?
An apposite comment by Moshe Dann.
However, I see Tom Friedman’s piece as a step out of his wishful self-delusion, where he is not able to shed his cherished misconceptions, but slowly becoming aware that there might be “something else” than “awful Western oppression of the Muslims” going on.
He is on a tortuous learning curve, and THAT is positive, however pathetic it looks from the outside.
JIHAD to wipe off Christainity off Turkey and Muslim lands and all Minorities.
Turkey prepares to join EU in a building confiscated from the Orthodox
Unbelievable but true: the headquarters of the Secretariat for the entry of Turkey into the European Union is a building confiscated from the Orthodox Christian community in the 90s. The building is located in Istanbul, in the well-known area of Ortakoy, under the first bridge over the Bosphorus.
http://www.TheReligionOfPeace.com
http://www.TheThirdJihad.com
I have always enjoyed TF, However he has jumped with eyes closed on the PC bandwagon.
One world, global warming, and of course the basic, peacefull nature of Islam. Not even
Japanese mothers rued not having MORE sons, and now daughters to sacrafice. Unless you
just arrived from Mars you have seen Arab mothers do just that. Nor have I forgotten the
near universal approval of 911 in the Islamic world!
Lou Floospin: So this is the ‘Nic’ you are posting under now is it Mohammedan Jew Hating MOHO, You can change your ‘Nic’ but you can never change the stupidity Tu Quoque and Ad Hominem rubbish you post. An illogical Jew hating Mohammedan will always remain an illogical Jew hating Mohammedan
BTW Palestine is not occupied because it does not and never has existed so it cant be occupied and you cannot be a refugee from it. The Mohammedan ARAB INVADERS already have over 75% of what was the Mandate of Palestine and TWO States Jordan and Syria. So it is completely illogical to ask Israel with only 25% of the Land to give up more to form ANOTHER Mohammedan ARAB INVADER State. Now I can understand Mohammedans not getting this as Islam and LOGIC are not even nodding friends and that Pillar of Islam HYPOCRISY reigns supreme. For example the ONLY way the Mohammedan ARAB Invaders are in the Holy Land in the first place is by ‘Right of Conquest’ a right they and the moonbats don’t think Israel should have. PC MC left wing Islamophile moonbats have no excuse except stupidity. Its not about land it has never been about land it is just a phony excuse to allow Mohammedans to kill Jews
This blog amounts to nothing more than mental masterbation! THE CHOICE is CLEAR, either stand with the “GOOD”(U.S. CONSTITUTION),
stand with “BAD”(ISLAMIC SHARIA-LAW), or spank the monkey with the “UGLY”(WEAK&CONFUSED). WORLD WAR III is here. Have a merry christ-
mass from the ARIZONA TERRITORY.
Friedman needs to read “History Upside Down, The Roots of Palestinian Fascism and the Myth of israeli Aggression” to know what the Palestinians say to one another vs what they say to US/West including to the gullibles such as Friedman. The Palestinians want a world wide Caliphate where we all “submit” to Islam. Israel must be destroyed in their view in order for this oft repeated objected to be achieved. The Palestinians Al-Qeada like ideology is at the heart of the decades long problem. No excuse for not knowing what their objectives are. What they say in schools, mosques, media and political meetings is recorded and translated by Palestinian Media Watch. No one who watches the issue, not US goverment can consider himself credible without knowing say to one another “in their own words.
Let us remember that Israel grew beyound the UN imposed boundaries by defending itself from the attempts mostly led by Nasser to push it into the sea. The Muslims got their butts kicked and lost land. Now Nasser was power whore just like Saddam was, Islam was a prop. It is still a prop but witht his core philosphy of totalitarainism. Remember also that Hitler had many supporters in this d country and particularily then of what we would call the os os elite wine and brie crowd who seem to congregate in Manahattan. Unfotunately for the real people tha tlive there they make a sewer.
Outstanding column by Moshe Dann. I wonder why Tom Friedman doesn’t like jihad against Americans but likes Jihad against Jews….his illogical belief simply confirms my belief that without a good, solid moral compass, it doesn’t matter how intelligent someone is; he will sound like a fool.