To Be Pro-Palestinian, You Must Be Anti-Hamas
It has become commonplace in academia to look at Hamas as the natural reaction to Israeli aggression and unwillingness to provide Palestinians with a better life — the political application of Newton’s Third Law of Motion, for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction. The idea that Hamas’ individual actions are reprehensible but are simply an outgrowth of long-ignored “legitimate claims,” as President Obama once said during the 2008 campaign, reflects a fundamental flaw in understanding the radical Islamic ideology and sophisticated political strategy of the terrorist group.
Hamas is not a force fighting for Palestinian liberation; nor are their choices of suicide bombers as weaponry and civilians as targets simply made because it is their only viable means of making their voices heard. Hamas was founded by, and remains a part of, the radical Islamic movement known as the Muslim Brotherhood. Their stated goal is the establishment of an Islamic state across the entire earth — a rejection of the sovereignty and nationhood they claim they are fighting to give the Palestinians.
The Muslim Brotherhood didn’t create Hamas to “liberate” the Palestinians, but rather to win a juicy, strategic front in their global offensive. The Muslim Brotherhood’s “project,” dating back to 1982, specifically describes their intent “to adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.” The organization’s decision to try to connect everything to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, intellectually seducing people like Chas Freeman, is a success in the art of political manipulation that must be enamored by the most elite of political strategists.
Hamas has not outlined plans to improve the lives of Palestinians through effective governance, but rather sees the establishment of an Islamic earth as the means to that end. As long as a non-Muslim government remains, Hamas will blame that entity for the social ills of their constituents. For the Palestinian people, rule by Hamas will just result in more of the same grievances that they have against the West in far greater quantity. Their financial state will collapse and their independence will be denied as Hamas acts at the behest of the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran. The “occupation” of their land will simply transfer from being run by Jews to being run by far more vicious Islamists, and the rights denied for security reasons to them by Israel will be denied to them as part of a political platform.
The author makes several salient points. Except for the drivel about so called Palestinian Statehood and nationalism, that’s just a bunch of Arab propaganda sold to the west by Arafat and the PLO.
Everyone knows that the Arabs of the Gaza strip and the West Bank are descendant of migrant workers that came to the region to work for the Jewish settlement in the early part of the last century.
Call a spade a spade, or better yet just call it friggin’ shovel!
The only “Palestinians” were Jews with British Palestine Mandate Passports.
And with 22 Arab countries already in the region, what does the world need with another one?
DoubleTapper
DoubleTapper@gmail.com
DoubleTapper, blogging on Guns Politics Defense from Israel
i would not be surprised if HAMAS people speak decent russian
The Palestinians are like a Greek tragedy…only without the Greeks. Until they change their Culture of Death mentality- life will be short and not sweet.
With all due respect sir, what is a Palestinian? What right or claim do these bedouin Arabs have to the “land and state of Israel. Many are living in Jordan, the land set aside for the Arabs in the original partition plan. One may try to legitamately argue the right to self determination for this block of Arabs held hostage by their own corrupt and greedy leadership over the years, but few understand the historical truths of this conflict. Hamas a modern organization is exactly as you describe them. Yet the truth remains there is no Palestinian state Gov’t or leader that is even remotely interested in allowing a Jewish State to exist at all. Hamas, PLO, PA However you may try to differentiate them are all committed to Israels destruction as a Jewish state. Time this was made clear. And without apology!
Fakestinians have zero concept for freedom or individual rights and they always keep turning to the stupid Qu’ran for guidance (more like misguidance). When they are going to wake up and stop being enslaved to the destructive Arabic mentality and Islamic way of life?! They needed to stop blaming and hating Israel and America for all of their own problems, backwardness and the inability to right themselves.
They cannot start up their own country with hate, violence and perpetual enslavement to a destructive religion among themselves.
The misery of the Palestinians is the currency with which Hamas pays as it tries to hijack the Israeli-Palestinian peace process in pursuit of the Muslim Brotherhood’s regional and worldwide campaign for Sharia law…it is the reality of a Hamas-controlled Palestine that makes peace an impossibility today.
All of this, so true.
The same radical agenda and intent on eradication of Israel motivates Hezbollah (one reading of one speech by Hassan Nasrallah should be sufficient to convince you).
When you hear so many self-designated western intellectuals and academics defend Hamas, you wonder about the stability and quality of their brains that seem, quite literally, to be unable to discern the obvious.
there could be no independence or any national interest exists under this kind of governance :
http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/111/ill022509.pdf
The central place in the Russian
political system is occupied by the Corporation of the secret police.
3
The Corporation of Secret Police.
The personnel of Federal Security Service – both in active service as well as retired
one1 – form a special type of unity (non-necessarily institutionalized) that can be called
brotherhood, order, or corporation. The Corporation of the secret police operatives (CSP)
includes first of all acting and former officers of the FSB2 (former KGB), and to a lesser
extent FSO3 and Prosecutor General Office. Officers of GRU4 and SVR5 do also play some
role. The members of the Corporation do share strong allegiance to their respective
organizations, strict codes of conduct and of honor, basic principles of behavior, including
among others the principle of mutual support to each other in any circumstances and the
principle of omerta. Since the Corporation preserves traditions, hierarchies, codes and
habits of secret police and intelligence services, its members show high degree of
obedience to the current leadership, strong loyalty to each other, rather strict discipline.
There are both formal and informal means of enforcing these norms. Violators of the
code of conduct are subject to the harshest forms of punishment, including the highest
form6.
CSP and the Russian society.
Members of the CSP are specially trained, strongly motivated and mentally oriented
to use force against other people and in this regard differ substantially from civilians. The
important distinction of enforcement in today’s Russia from enforcement in rule-based
nations is that in the former case it doesn’t necessarily imply enforcement of Law. It means
solely enforcement of Power and Force regardless of Law, quite often against Law. Members
of the Corporation are trained and inspired with the superiority complex over the rest of the
population. Members of the Corporation exude a sense of being the bosses that superior to
other people who are not members of the CSP. They are equipped with membership perks,
including two most tangible instruments conferring real power over the rest of population in
today’s Russia – the FSB IDs7 and the right to carry and use weapons.
This isn’t about a “Palestinian” state. It is about getting rid of Israel. End of story. The “palestinians” are just as complicit in this atrocity as any member of Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. Israel could give up 99.9% of their land and these groups would still whine, moan, and groan at how Israel, i.e. “Da Man”, keeps them down. The two-state idea is a failed one. It cannot work, and will never happen for one simple reason, islam.
We’re the modern equivalent of the Aztecs to the Islamic Spaniards. Multiculturalism and anti-”Orientalism” prevents us from seeing the facts before our eyes: the Islamic Awakening (Sawah Islamia) is a grand imperialistic project amounting to a complete overturning of Enlightenment liberal (the old meaning of liberal, pre-Marx) values. Of course those most in support of this profoundly anti-liberal agenda are the most liberal among us. People for women and gays also advocate for sharia as an “alternative to capitalist finance,” “alternative dispute resolution” or a “cultural defense”. You couldn’t write it and sell it as fiction — too improbable to believe.
to 9. Chip:
feminists in Europe support `islamic` tradition when parents decide whom their daughters are going to marry
all this leftist scum has a network that they get their policy advice from
originator of course is always the same
People for women and gays also advocate for sharia as an “alternative to capitalist finance,” “alternative dispute resolution” or a “cultural defense”. You couldn’t write it and sell it as fiction — too improbable to believe.
One might conclude that an expressed appreciation for Shari’a principles of finance is parallel to a predilection for “belief” in the theory of anthropogenic global warming. (bear with me here…
Both are adhered to as vehicles for the destruction of capitalism, bringing us full circle to the élitist prediliction for Marxism, aka “that which has been tried time and again and never worked”.
By extension, a refusal to acknowledge the true nature and agenda of Hamas vis à vis Israel can also be seen as an extension of Marxist ideas among so called multiculturalists, a complete focus on the (presumed) lesser or underdog in the face of a successful, modern society (Israel) in the midst of the Arab world.
Honestly, there’s no other way to explain the “thinking” of a Noam Chomsky or a Naomi Wolf
Stevenoh
The original Balfor Amendment included Trans-Jordan as part of the Jewish homeland. This was approved by the League of Nations. However, when it came to implementing the Amendment and the League of Nations decision, it was Brittain that didn’t implement it. At the time the Hashimites of Arabia were bloodily deposed as the guardians of Meca and Medina. In effect they were thrown out by the Saudis. The Hashimites were strong allies of Brittain and were given Trans-Jordan as their new country to rule. The UN on the other hand asked for a partition that was close to Israel’s 1948 borders. That didn’t last long as five Arab armies descended on Israel upon recognition of her statehood. Israel overcame her enemies established the borders of 1948. It was at that point that the Palestinian refugee problem materialized.
The whole Middle Eastern problem is very complex and tangled, and there are multiple opinions, many of them purporting to rest on “history” for support. Some of these historically-based opinions are mutually exclusive, and cause great controversy, as shown by the comments above.
Hamas is, yes, part of the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB is an older organization than most terrorist groups like Fatah or pseudo-government political parties like the Baath. It dates back to the ’20s, if my memory is correct. Most of the extremist Muslim organizations, like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranian mullahs, and Osama’s crowd, seek the rule of Islam throughout the world. It’s important to understand, however, that all of these organizations aren’t united in seeking this: each seeks to rule the world itself, through its leadership and according to its tenets. Osama, a Sunni Muslim, would be horrified if the Iranians manage to establish *their* Islamic state worldwide, because they’re Shi’ites, and he and his crowd doesn’t consider them real Muslims.
Another discussion centers around the Israeli/Palestinian question. Many, in recent years, have decided that there were few or no Muslims, Arabs, whatever you wish to call them, in what’s now Israel, until the Jews showed up and “made the desert bloom”. Who lived in Jerusalem, then? Jaffa? Nazareth, Bethlehem, Haifa? Perhaps some of the Arabs who are currently refugees in camps had families who had moved from somewhere else in the 20s and 30s, but do Israel’s partisans really want to establish the precedent that recent immigrants to an area don’t have any territorial rights there? The comedian Larry Miller, in more serious moments, is fond of noting that the term Palestinian is a very new designation for what were Arabs who lived in between Egypt and Syria. He’s right, but he fails to note that the term Israeli is of about the same vintage. Prior to that, such people were known as Jews, or perhaps Hebrews.
You can go on and on about this or that point in the debate. To my mind, whether Israel has a “right” to exist is irrelevant. It’s whether Israel has the “might” to continue to exist on the map that matters. If they ever lose that, the Arabs surrounding them won’t worry about their rights.
New Islamist tactics in France
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/03/where-are-police.html
For those who think Hamas could be trusted as a negotiating partner, let me quote from their charter:
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it…”
“… the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. ”
“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”
” The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’”
Let me go on and quote Hamas’ Al-Aqsa television, where last year cleric Yunis Al Astal stated, “Today, Rome is the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam…. I believe that our children, or our grandchildren, will inherit our jihad and our sacrifices, and, Allah willing, the commanders of the conquest will come from among them… [Rome will become] an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe.”
Grumpy, thanks for the correction. I am fully aware of how the the Saudis overthrew the Hashemite Kingdom as well as their booby prize of Trans Jordan. I was referring to the original UN partition plan. Which you reference as well. Nonetheless, we agree. A manufactured nationalist movement filled with hate, deceit and corruption.
There are two separate issues regarding the Palestinians: land OWNERSHIP and land SOVEREIGNTY.
The 1948 war saw the destruction of scores of Arab villages, and the creation of 711,000 Palestinian refugees. The ideas advanced by Joan Peters and others that most of these Arabs were “new immigrants” has been largely discredited. The land was sparsely populated (as Mark Twain described on his 1867 trip) and certainly allowed for increased Jewish immigration. But it was not desolate. Ottoman census data places Palestinian population in the 1890′s at about 500,000, overwhelmingly Arab. Arabs concentrated in the mountainous highlands (i.e. West Bank) or Gaza, while new Jewish immigration concentrated on the marshy or desert coastline around Tel Aviv, or Jerusalem. So while the Jews did make the “desert bloom,” this did not mean Palestine was barren.
So if Israel compensated the Palestinian refugees for their losses, would this satisfy them? No.
If the Jews permitted a Palestinian state to be established next to theirs, would this satisfy the Palestinians? No.
Why? Because though loss of land, lack of self-determination, and desire for a homeland are all valid Palestinian grievances, they belie the real goal: governance by Arabs over ALL of Palestine. The issue is not land ownership, it’s land SOVEREIGNTY. Hamas will never stop fighting Israel, as Israeli sovereignty over part of Palestine is incompatible with this goal.
The irony is that Palestinians vehemently claim sovereignty over a piece of land which they have never governed. The Ottomans ruled over the land for centuries, until they transferred sovereignty to the British. Why did the British transfer partial sovereignty to the Jews? As far back as 1917, Lord Balfour declared the British intent of helping the Jews establish a homeland, long before the Holocaust. Jewish immigration was already in full swing in the 1920′s and 30′s, helped by European anti-Semitism, from the Russian pogroms in the 1880s to the 1935 Nuremberg Laws that that stripped over 300,000 Jews of their German citizenship. Even before WWII it became obvious that the growing Jewish and Arab populations in Palestine would be ungovernable under one state. In 1937 the Peel Commission recommended the British partition their Palestine Mandate to create a homeland for each. The Arabs rejected the offer of partial sovereignty, as they still do to this day. The Jews accepted it, as their agenda has always been simply to have a homeland, as do the Armenians, the Turks, and many other ethnic groups. It is curious to see how Muslims vociferously rejected the British partitioning of Palestine, but none opposed the British partitioning of India -to create Muslim Pakistan.
So while the West may rightly pressure Israel to compensate the Palestinian refugees and to accept a Palestinian state, it is questionable whether this will stop the conflict. The main issue has never been the refugees, or the creation of A Palestinian state. The issue is the existence of Israel, and how it blocks the creation of THE Palestinian State.
Truly shocking video, Oscar.
And where were the police ?
Dude, you’re way off, the Muslim World uses all “Palestinians” as pawns. It’s viewed as a ‘privilege’ granted by Allah to be born on the regional front lines in the endless Jihad against the Jews. Hamas is controlled by Iran, the PA answers to the Arab block led by the Saudi’s, both have the same end goal, just different approaches. The PA is more deceptive about their long term intentions towards Israel as opposed to Hamas. It’s presumptuous to assume “improving” the lives of “Palestinians” include the economic and social aims you’d think would be associated with building a country. All Palestinian financing has one specific purpose, dislodging the Jews from Israel.
Hey Ryan,
It was nice speaking with you today. I stumbled on your name as a guest speaker on another website and found your story here. Though I understand where you’re coming from and you’re probably being more of a realist in allowing the use of the term Palestinian, I have to agree with the other responses that the entire “plight” of the Palestinians has been manufactured, beginning with the creation of the Palestinian Liberation Organization in 1963 by the KGB (they were big into creating liberation organizations back then – Bolivia was another one they handpicked members).
British Mandate Palestine included the area east of the Jordan River, which was 77% of the land. That area was made Judenrein in the 1920′s by the British to quell the angry Muslims who didn’t want the Jews to have sovereignty at all. Finally, Jordan became a country in 1946, just two years prior to Israel’s reestablishment. The two-state solution was resolved long ago with the creation of Jordan. Islamic supremacy is the reason any issue still exists. I have a paper I developed with the assistance of Dr. Steve Carol and David Meir-Levi to prepare for a debate I did – I’ll send you a copy.
Debbie
British Mandate Palestine included the area east of the Jordan River, which was 77% of the land. That area was made Judenrein in the 1920’s by the British to quell the angry Muslims who didn’t want the Jews to have sovereignty at all. Finally, Jordan became a country in 1946, just two years prior to Israel’s reestablishment. The two-state solution was resolved long ago with the creation of Jordan. Islamic supremacy is the reason any issue still exists. I have a paper I developed with the assistance of Dr. Steve Carol and David Meir-Levi to prepare for a debate I did – I’ll send you a copy.
I am interested in your sources. If you could please share them with me.