Tips for Not Appearing Crazy on the Internet
Do crazy people have a right to be heard? I think they do — as long as they’re American. But even with crazy people’s well known infiltration of the internet — appearing in any blog or news comments section or online forum they can access — they still have a lot of trouble getting people to listen to them.
In a recent column, I touched on the topic of conspiracy theories, which of course brought in lots of crazy people to the comments section. As I looked through the responses, I noticed how easy it was to scan them or just read the first sentence and say, “Well, this one is a crazy person.” And lots of people scan like this, because crazy people have this habit of self-identifying on the internet that allows sane people to skip over what they have to say before even getting to the crazy point. Thus crazy people never even get heard.
The advent of the internet should be a Renaissance for crazy. Crazy people used to have to try to spread their views through poorly photocopied newsletters with weird font choices that no sane person would read. But on the internet, crazy people can put their opinions right next to those of sane people. If they can just use a little self-discipline to not immediately identify themselves as cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, they might actually get their ideas read.
Now, I’m not going to try to tell people how not to be crazy anymore. That’s a long, involved process of correctly identifying the internal things making them angry in their own psyches that they instead project onto external things. And it sounds hella boring. Instead, I’m only going to tell you how to conceal your craziness. I’m going to teach you how to take your freak flag and fold it up and put it in your back pocket. If you’re successful, people are going to have to really read your points before understanding that you’re crazy. They might even miss your crazy entirely and really consider what you have to say (e.g., “This guy makes some interesting points; maybe I should find out more about this ‘Ron Paul’ person”). Doesn’t that sound great, you social outcasts and conspiracy nuts?
I see some crazed nodding. Let’s get started.
TIPS FOR NOT APPEARING CRAZY ON THE INTERNET
Caps Lock Is Your Enemy
Look at your keyboard. On the left should be a button labeled “Caps Lock.” Now, there should be a light somewhere indicating whether the Caps Lock key is on. You want that light to be off. If you can’t find the indicator light, try typing on screen. Do you see lower case letters? If not, hit the Caps Lock key and try typing again. When you get your keyboard to the state where it normally types lower case letters, NEVER EVER TOUCH THE CAPS LOCK KEY EVER AGAIN! I can use it because I’m a professional, but you crazy people just need to leave that key alone. This tip by itself will make a lot of you look 100% less crazy.
There are basically two kinds of people who type entire comments with Caps Lock on: stupid people and crazy people. And no one wants to read what either has to say. Now, a stupid person just doesn’t notice or care that his Caps Lock key is on, and someone like that is probably not advanced enough to use the internet. Crazy people, on the other hand, intentionally put the Caps Lock on because they think the reason people haven’t been agreeing with their crazy is that they didn’t say it loud enough. This is crazy person logic, and it is wrong.
And there is another type of Caps Lock user who doesn’t capitalize whole sentences but INSTEAD capitalizes a few SPECIFIC words for EMPHASIS. Now read a sentence like that aloud, shouting every time you come to a capitalized word, and tell me you do not sound like an absolute freakin’ lunatic. This method can turn even basic known facts into crazy-sounding gibberish (“The SQUARE of the HYPOTENUSE of a RIGHT triangle equals the SUM of the squares of the OTHER two sides”).
Similarly, be frugal with your exclamation points! Not every single sentence should end in one! And never use more than one per sentence!!!!11!!eleventy11!1 If you have something useful to say, it should make just as much sense when said in a normal voice.
i can haz proper grammar?
Here’s another pretty basic one: no lolcats speak. Write actual English sentences using real words and proper grammar. Capitalize the first word of each sentence. Use punctuation. there is no reason ur comment 2 a blog or column shud look lik ur a n00b at texting. You’re not writing these things from a old cellphone with just a number pad that lacks auto-complete; there is a big keyboard in front of you.
You save like 0.1 seconds writing “u” instead of “you” at the cost of making yourself look like an absolute idiot. Is there any reason you’re trying to shave off this time? Are there wild dogs bearing down on you as you write why we need another look at Obama’s birth certificate? If so, run from the wild dogs and write your comment later. Your whole sentence shouldn’t scream, “I’m a useless idiot with nothing important to say.” You should never write like that unless you actually are a cat expressing your desire for a cheeseburger.
No Long Screeds
On the other end of the spectrum from the lolcats speak is the guy who apparently has hours to spare writing pages of response as the 200th comment to some blog post. There are people who have long things to say, and they do it by writing columns or writing in their own blogs. But if you can’t get your column published and no one reads your blog, maybe you’re thinking you’ll get exposure by putting the long screed in the comments section of something people actually will read.
Don’t.
Sane people know that the only people who have hours to spend writing pages of text in a comments section are crazy people. And that’s why no will read what they write except other crazy people with way too much time on their hands. So keep it short. Pick one point, and write no more than a couple of sentences. Keeping it short also helps you police your crazy. I’ve seen comments where I’ve read the first paragraph and thought maybe the person was just a little over-enthusiastic, and then I started the second paragraph and realized, “Oh, this is a super crazy person.” So keep it pithy, and avoid the crazy.
Proofread
Now, this is a problem even non-crazy people have, but crazy people seem to be the worst at it because they’re just so desperate to share their crazy with the world that they can’t pause for one second and read over what they wrote. I’m not asking for full editing — an error or two is expected to slip in on the internet — but insane people tend to have typing fingers that never come close to keeping up with their crazy brains bouncing around from topic to topic. Thus we get a single sentence with five glaring errors in it. It’s hard to imagine someone who writes like that has an interesting point. So after you write a comment, don’t listen to the crazy in your head shouting, “You need to share this now! Now! NOW!” Instead, take a deep breath and read it over before hitting the submit button.
Don’t Be Surprised When People Have Opinions Different From Your Crazy One
Now we’re getting into the more complex areas of not sounding crazy — not just superficial changes but actually adjusting the content of what you’re saying — so some of you extremely crazy people may want to jump off here and just concentrate on the first four tips I gave you.
Still with me? Anyway, if someone expresses an opinion that’s well known to be held by a supermajority of people, don’t act surprised by that opinion. For instance, I’ve seen atheists act shocked when they hear someone believes in God — even though surveys say something like nine in ten Americans believe in God, so there is no reason to be surprised by that.
And there are truthers who are so amazed anyone can believe the government’s story on 9/11, even though it should be pretty obvious by now that most people believe terrorists are behind it all and have moved on. Now, it’s okay to have an opinion that’s different from most people’s — on some occasions the majority of people are wrong — you just need to have the self-awareness that you hold a minority opinion. If you act surprised when someone expresses an opinion held by most people, it just makes it seem like you’re from Neptune. If 85% of people believe something and you honestly can’t even understand why people would believe that, that means you’re a crazy person whose brain doesn’t work like normal people’s. You want to hide that fact.
No Living Person Is Hitler, and the World Isn’t Ending
I think even crazy people are aware of Godwin’s Law by now; they are just too crazy to care. Fight it. One easy way to identify yourself as crazy is to have no sense of scale. To a crazy person, every little bit of nonsense is a crisis of epic proportions that has to be handled right now (e.g., “If it isn’t recognized that Obama doesn’t meet my obscure definition of ‘naturalized citizen,’ then the Constitution will burst into flames and society will collapse!”)! If you are really convinced your issue is of world-ending significance, then it is all the more important that you curb your rhetoric to get people to listen to you. You may think screaming about how important your issue is will get more people to listen to you, but it just causes more people to dismiss you as crazy.
Respond to an Actual Point and Not Just Something That’s Been Mentioned
Ever watch a paid partisan shill who, no matter what is said, will go to his couple of talking points? Now that has less to do with being stupid or crazy than just being soulless, but lots of crazy people are the same way, going back to the crazy stuff they really want to talk about no matter what subject people are actually on. And often crazy people will just read until they see a word or phrase that sets them off and then go off on a big, crazy rant before even reading the whole thing they’re reacting to. Often, then, they’re completely missing the point or missing that something is satire and taking it seriously.
Now, I know when people have crazy in their brains, it is really impatient to be let out. Still, you need to teach your crazy to wait and make sure you are actually listening to and understanding what you’re responding to. Like if someone mentions when Hanukkah is this year and you respond with a rant about Jews controlling the banks, you’re not actually having a sane person conversation. You’re just reacting to words someone is saying, which, despite the similarity, is leagues different.
Now, this is really advanced hiding-the-crazy. In fact, it’s at the borderline of trying not to look crazy and actually not being crazy. If you can actually read and understand what non-crazy people are saying and still keep your own crazy, that’s a really advanced state of crazy you’ve achieved. Be proud.
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So those are my tips for appearing less crazy on the internet. If you want a role model, try to be more like Andrew Sullivan. When it was revealed in 2008 that Bristol Palin was pregnant and thus couldn’t physically have given birth to Trig Palin, even the most hardcore conspiracy theory nuts gave up on that one, but not Sullivan. He stuck with it despite it being “the government is concealing the fact that 2 + 2 = 5!” crazy. And yet he’s still treated by many as a serious pundit because he has the discipline to make it so it’s not blatantly obvious to a casual reader that he’s Kleenex-boxes-for-shoes, the-squirrels-are-spying-on-me, kung-fu-fighting-invisible-ninjas crazy.
So give it a try in the comments, crazy people. Use these tips to try and make yourselves look sane as you argue that we still need to investigate WTC-7 or that there are many signs that Obama’s birth certificate is fake or that Ron Paul is the last hope for America. Get yourselves heard, crazy people!







You make very good points but personally, I find The New York Times or the Washington Post, to name a few, a lot crazier than the crazies that sometimes post comments.
i HAVE BEEN DIEING TO COMMENT….THIS IS JUSYT TO MUCH TO DIGEST…THE JEW FROM ISRAEL, WHAT IS HIS DOG IN THIS FIGHT…THIS IS AN AMERICAN THANG…BOY ARE THE LOONIES OUT THERE….BEE WARE…
Hey, Josie….please re-read that nice part in the article about that Caps Lock Key. Try to find it.
try to refrain from making yourself look too dumb…be careful, i eat illiterates and pompas asses like you for brunch….lurn to roll with the punch…just maybe i put that up for a chuckle…
Josie,
“i eat illiterates and pompas asses like you for brunch”
Brunch?
BRUNCH?
Josie Wales dont eat BRUNCH!
“…they were decently fed, and they were decently SHOT”
Are you the REAL outlaw Josie Wales? Where did you learn how to shoot like that?
That’s the joke, Charlie. He used all of the listed things to avoid in one comment.
ZZZZZInnnnnggg!!!…..right over my pointy head.
But really, it looked typically authentic and unintentional.
I saw here a long time ago on the Internet a cartoon with the caption something like…”On the Internet no one knows that you’re a dog.”
I’m off now to get a big sandwich board made with that caption……it just may cover my nudity….with garlic fumes laced with limburger and onions marinated in Tabasco (R) to make me less appetizing for the next brunch….hold the tar and feathers…….for now. Stone the crows.
Ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ! U funny!
Actually, Terry, I didn’t find much of use in this article at all. But to each his own, I suppose…
tl:dr.
Otherwise, I think much of that was pretty funny.
OH man. You needed to put a tin-foil hat on that cat. lmao
Curses!
Foiled again!!!!
http://media.photobucket.com/image/curses%20foiled%20again/Pizlop/GIFs/curses-foiled-again.jpg
LMAO! OMG. That poor kitteh!
How about tips for appearing crazy?
A. Post a lot of information about your personal life that nobody really wants to know
B. Post photos of yourself that nobody wants to see
C. Talk about your cats
D. Rant against fill in the ________ to the point of looking like a full on nutter.
If I’m honest, I will admit to 3 out of 4.
)
You are a beautiful woman, Angel. Folks WANT to see pics of you!
(Yes, I use caps at times, because this comment system does not let me italicize for emphasis.)
Or underline. I almost wrote UNDERLINE!! I’m improving.
Marc! You’re a doll.
My comment must have gone into moderation hell because I had a link in it. But, for now, I’ll reiterate that you can use emphasis/italics…you just need to use the html tags to do so.
I can haz html? I wasn’t aware of that; thanks for the tip. =^[.]^=
I actually create HTML for a living, but the HTML systems I see on the internet seem non-standard, and A post with a bunch “<"'s in them looks really weird.
Got any tips for appearing funny on the internet?
Are you finally asking for help?
Take 2 hits of LSD and call me in the morning; don’t be surprised to see bits of cement lying at your feet.
Sure! The three basic rules of humor are:
Good old “rule number one” of humor is: “There is nothing funnier than an explained joke.” When you finish and no one laughs, explain it to them.
Secondly, if you actually don’t “get” the joke yourself (and, therefore, cannot explain it) at least remember to preface all jokes with a solid introduction, such as,
“You wanna hear a really funny joke? Seriously, wait ’till you hear this one! I swear I pretty much pissed myself when I heard it. You shoulda’ seen me! Boy, I wish I knew the guy who makes these jokes up, you know? Anyway, here is the funny joke. This guy walks into a bar . . . ”
And third, be sure to laugh frequently throughout the process of telling of the joke. If you can, keep poking the person on the arm and saying, “Wait, wait . . . then he sez . . .” That will keep their attention and will also serve to remind the person that a really good one is coming!
Oh. And one more, just in case you mess up the story line, or blurt out the punch line too early. If you do screw up, don’t hesitate to stop completely, and go back to the beginning. No one will mind. By the way, a good way to avoid messing up is to write the joke down. That way, you can read it to the person and you won’t miss anything, and neither will they!
Good luck!
Har!
Are you the guy in “Raising Arizona?” If so, you missed one: If you told the joke wrong, let your entertainee know by saying, “Oh wait, I told it wrong.” Then start over.
Wear 70′s Hawaiian shirts.
i be wuz enjoy your CLARIFYING comment!!!
Brilliant, Frank. Just outstanding. Nobody does it better.
I might add one bit of advice for all the crazy folks out there: just because you wish really, really hard that something is the case does not make it so. A lot of people really seem to believe, for example, that if they just wish hard enough that Obama is “ineligible” for the Presidency, it will come true, and he will magically go away. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. The only way to get rid of Obama will be to defeat him at the ballot box in November 2012. That can be done if we focus on his leftist ideology and his stunningly incompetent performance. But every time a thread gets hijacked by the OBAMA IS INELIGIBLE!!!1!11!!! Brigade, the more Republicans and conservatives come to look like a bunch of nuts, and the harder it becomes to attract the swing voters we’ll need to accomplish the mission.
BUT HE ISN’T ELIGIBLE! HE’S NOT!!!!!11!11!11!!
[squinting really hard and wishing like anything he would just go away]
You’re missing something. If BO is re-elected with Republican control of Senate and House, his Constitutional ineligibility could form a basis, or part of the basis, for empeachment.
PLEASE!! I’M NOT CRAZY!!
The great thing about this post is, you can pretend that you misspelled “impeachment” on purpose. (Claim it was satire!!!!!!!!)
That is the new fiendish punishment for a half-baked Usurper. He will be placed in a giant peach and slowly baked. Bwahahaha
Not a bad idea. I see the entire subject under a different light.
Ineligibility of ANY government official, because non-complliant with Constitutional restraints, would be a gift to politicians. Then why have the questioners been universally dismissed among political claques as lunatics, irrelevant, ignorant, bad losers etc. Or, if for no other reason to clear the air, requiring Obama to submit for pubic view the documents he claims support his eligibility. Documents now suspect as to authenticity in view of his actions by Executive Order to secrete them from just such public over-view.
Many professional politicians are lawyers. Who swear, or take oath, to uphold and defend the Constitution, the pre-eminent law of the USA. If it is discovered that members of the DNC advanced as their candidate a person neither vetted nor proved to be lawfully eligible (Constitution) for the office, those who did so would be culpable in law.
The election of this President is a fait accompli. Any investigation of the legality of the election would be literally earth shattering. Much safer to to let sleeping dogs lie. To even suggest it is an issue worth investigation would be political suicide. The issue would not be impeachment – an unlawful holder of an office is not impeached – for high crimes and misdemeanours, but the highest crime towards a nation: Treason. To encompass not only the major benefaotor but all his accomplices. Who would approach that sleeping dog?
MK of the KWSN? – Is that really you?
Excellent point about internet conversations getting ‘hijacked’. I happen to thoroughly enjoy conspiracy theories, but I do so in private, for the most part. We should be thinking about the fact that some who read our comments might not be fellow conservatives, etc. They might actually be convinced we have valid points on our side if they can stand to read the comments…and crazy glue inhaling weirdos will not appeal to someone trying to make a sincere political decision. There, does that sound pompous, or what?
Yes, yes, Aimee. If I may paraphrase Robert Heinlein (common in internet comment threads):
Posting conspiracy theory comments on the internet is not something to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.
+1
+1 more for the Heinlein reference.
I willingly admit that I find myself agreeing with you on basically everything except the ‘caps’ statement. What difference does it make whether or not a person uses capital letters? You equate that to shouting – I don’t know about the rest of your readers, but I never hear anything when I read! That is just one of the childish attributes afforded to caps by the teenage set when they first came online. The fact that you perpetuate it is very telling!
Walt, Walt, Walt, Walt, Walt.
Let me tell you a little fact.
I’ve been active online since the days of the 300 baud modem and the Commodore 64–that’s before this wonderful thing called the World Wide Web came around. Typing in ALL CAPS has always been considered the online version of shouting, even back in those pre-InternetExplorer days.
Trust me. To 99 44/100% of those that have spent more than about a month online, ALL CAPS is interpreted as shouting. Now, if you want to be seen as a shouter, that’s your business. Just don’t complain about something that’s an established fact. That makes you look crazy.
Shouting doesn’t mean one is crazy. The guy that whispers, “Fire” in the burning crowded theater is the real crazy.
Never shout “FIRE” in a burning theatre, shout it through the open door once you’re outside!
Naw, just email “FIRE!!!!!” to the theatre.
Nope, tweet it to them with a picture of your Weiner.
Facebook it to their survivors.
Thank you for ‘telling me a little fact’ – I notice that your facts are laced with the words considered, interpreted and established .. hardly a basis for rock solid facts. Rather than call yourself ConservativeWanderer, you might want to change that to ProgressiveSkippy for the way you bandy about facts and percentages – really, you’ve polled 99 and 44/100% of the persons that have been online more than a month?
I never said than people did not consider caps as shouting, I basically said I thought it was childish because I don’t hear when I read – possibly that little attempt at humor went over your opinionated head.
Also, and it is a personal thing I guess, but in the twenty years I spent in the U.S. Navy I read hundreds of thousands of teletype messages and of course they are all in caps …. again, ‘shouting’ there was expressed by the content of the words used in the text, not the phantom increase in volume of the words that were never heard.
Insofar as how long you have been online – keep it to yourself rookie, you’re not even in the ballpark.
Very impressive technique, Walt!
Two more suggestions, if I may:
- Avoid making leaps that non-crazy people would consider illogical, especially in the context of an accusation. (Example: calling someone a conservative/liberal/Frenchman because he has the temerity to recall to you established social conventions.)
- When arguing against a widely-held/majority view, understand that you won’t score points by nitpicking language. (This is another advanced point because, when you’re crazy, it’s hard to understand just how wrong everyone else’s thinking is.)
You will go far, sir!
@SupercyclicPigeon
I hardly know how to respond – I didn’t even know I had a technique, I always thought of my way of writing as a means of expressing a thought or an opinion.
To your suggestion #1: I don’t consider it a leap to comment/suggest that ConservativeWanderer call him/herself ProgressiveSkippy because it has been my experience that those who use bogus percentages and facts (and they were just that) are normally of the liberal/progressive bent. They seem to believe if one says it enough it will become ‘fact’.
To your suggestion #2: I have never avoided arguing against a widely-held/majority view if I believed it to be wrong, disingenuous, asinine or merely stupid. For example, Global Warming at one time was considered to be a widely-held/majority view (or would you consider that established social convention) – one that is now held in disrepute and considered even criminal by a very large number of thinking persons. Me included.
As for your prediction that I will go far … I already have sir, more than you could imagine.
C’mon. Walt is just FrankJ proving his point. Anyone can see that.
Walt is right. All caps responses are generally deemed to be shouting. I’m sure your teletype reading of messages during your time in the Navy some time ago makes you immune to this rule. Also see the rule about people having different opinions than yourself.
Walt, I enlisted in the Navy 40 years ago. I was an Aerographer’s Mate, so I worked with teletype a lot. In fact, I damaged my hearing going into the machines to change the rolls so as not to miss any information that was clattering out. You’re right, all plain language information, forecasts and updates, was in all caps. That was procedure. Sometimes, when there was a lull in information being dispatched, off times from the synoptics, the nutters would jump on line and leave cryptic messages about the end times and other apocalyptic craziness. Guess what? When they went full caps, in context, I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE SHOUTING!
Childish of me, I know.
Walt, re the “99 and 44/100ths%” datum: it’s a colloquialism, not an actual survey result. It’s from the old Ivory soap ads explaining how pure the soap was. It’s a kind of fun way of saying “lots of people.” I can see why you might not have warmed to the rather patronizing tone (“Walt, Walt, …” etc.), but this datum wasn’t the offender in the post.
It’s not childish. It’s meant to draw attention and create emphasis in much the same way as shouting in your face. You may not “hear it,” but unless you suffer from social autism then you know precisely what most users are trying to do when they’re doing it.
With all due respect, he is correct. All caps is commonly considered shouting, and therefore rude.
HEY!!! WHAT ABOUT US COBOL PROGRAMMERS??? FREAKIN *N00BS*!!! AND *I* HAD A COMMODORE 128 AND A 1200 BAUD MODEM *AND* EXTERNAL FLOPPY DRIVE!!! NO STEENKEENG TAPE DRIVE FOR MOI!!!
Caps Lock – Most people do see it as shouting. What most people often forget is that it is considered an acceptable form of communication (not shouting) by the visually impaired. Having run into this many times, I now look at all caps as a visually impaired person talking first and shouting second.
Is the person talking loud because he is yelling at you or is he talking loud because he is hard of hearing? Same idea with caps lock.
I also go back about that far (to USENET before the Great Renaming), and the usual response to caps was indeed, “why are you shouting”? Also, the first PC’s charged a lot extra for lower-case (really!). But is an occasions capitalized word for EMPHASIS really so bad?
I find it extremely interesting that you don’t hear what you read, Walt. You must miss a lot of nuance that way.
Walt, you’re clearly a literate person, but to me all-caps also screams illiteracy. It says the person behind the keyboard hasn’t even made it to the part of first grade where you learn that a capital letter goes at the beginning of a sentence and lowercase should be used thereafter except in the case of proper nouns.
To my eye, it’s also a lot less readable than the normal mix of caps and non-caps. That ties in with the idea of shouting. When someone shouts all the time, pretty soon you can’t even understand what they’re saying.
Like another poster, I find it interesting and unusual that you don’t “hear” anything while reading. For me, hearing the “voice” conveyed by the writer’s word choice, tone and, yes, typographical choices, is an intrinsic part of reading. I’m not knocking you, but yours sounds like a very different way to read.
Number 11: Using pedantry to suck the fun and light right out of the world.
Number 12: The Larch.
Brilliant! I quite literally Laughed Out Loud.
Excellent! And now (hopefully) for something completely different…
Walt.. just face the facts. You’re crazy.
CRRAAAAAAZZZYYYYY
Also, yeah, normal/sane people generally have a voice in their head as they read something.. I don’t even know how you can read without hearing the words. I would like to submit your brain for scientific study.
I submitted my brain once but with funding cutbacks they gave it back to me. The bad part was they made me pick it up and stick it back in myself.
“If you want a role model, try to be more like Andrew Sullivan.”
You forgot to mention that sometimes we can’t call people crazy when they are members of a minority. Sullivan is gay, so if you disagree with him, you will be called anti-gay. Same with Obama. In 2008, if you disagreed with him then, you were a racist. Same thing will take place in 2012. So the crazy people out there will call you a racist or a bigot no matter what you say, because crazy people, like most devoted liberals, can’t stand any opinion other than their own.
It used to be a RIGHT called freedom of speech, protected by the foundation legal document of the USA– the Constitution. In words difficult to understand (viz Exra Klein of the best and brightest of brilliant Washington Post) because published in the national language of the USA more than a hundred years ago. “Everybody knows” language changes every season as does any fashion. Any crazy, stupid, ignorant, whatever, person could say what they wanted. Vintage fashion called “freedom of speech” until the best and brightest a la G.Orwell re-designed it to “political correctness”, abrogating the RIGHT. Submitted to with protest only in isolatd quarters by the American population. That Right of course implies the Right of anyone else to pay no attention. Rights lost, voluntarily surrendered by “self-governing” people of the USA. Ever to be re-discovered ?
You realize, of course, that the author of the article obviously disagrees with Andrew Sullivan to the point of calling him crazy in print. As far as I know, no one is calling the author a homophobe because of this.
Frank, a moment before reading your article I wrote about a few crazies that actually write columns for a living. You have persuaded me that these people have mastered the mechanical part of appearing not-crazy while actually being nuttier than a fruitcake.
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2011/06/craaaazy-leonard-pitts-is-so-stupid-how.html
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2011/06/palin-and-her-enemies-believing-three.html
Thanks for the explanation.
I agree on all points, but I resent the birther sentiment. That long-form PDF with layers and an action history indicating that various bits and pieces of images had been inserted, rotated, and resized…it was a blatant forgery. I should know; I’m a Photoshop guru.
For the record, being a birther was cool when John McCain’s eligibility was the topic at hand. It was so cool to be a birther, in fact, that every major liberal newspaper ran story after story about how McCain was ineligible. Even after the senate concluded that he was eligible and the navy base records proved he was born on base, the stories still continued.
But if anyone dares to bring up the fact that Obama’s long form is a Photoshop hack job, they get labeled as crazy…by the same media that insisted on being McCain birthers in the face of legitimate, hard certified evidence to the contrary.
So is it that birthers are crazy? Or just annoyingly persistent with a topic that could endanger the political future of the left’s transformation keystone…?
My Lords, ladies, and gentlemen:
I present to you Exhibit A.
This person obviously hasn’t read the section entitled “Respond to an Actual Point and Not Just Something That’s Been Mentioned,” or his crazy is so far advanced that he chose to ignore it.
You choose which.
The birther comment lent fuel to the overall point. Taking the fuel from the fire by pointing out the backhand to birthers addresses the point which the statement appears by proxy. So, no, I find it just fine and agree with the man’s point that the birther issue is not going away, and there is plenty of evidence to say that not only is Obama an illegitimate child, but he’s a substandard human being as well. I support birthers 100%, and find it disgusting that “mainstreet conservatives” regard birthers in a negative light. It isn’t as if we are talking about 9-11 truth here people. There is EVIDENCE for his ineligibility. So stow it, loudmouth.
The larger point is that it is a losing/settled argument, right or wrong. There are many who may agree with you, but since Obama has been in office for 2+ years, even if it was to get to the USSC in some way, it would create such a crisis for our nation that the Court would not be likely to come to a decision that would remove him from office, especially since the next election is so close.
These are the plots of sci-fi novels.
And since so many in the country also believe the birther story IS a nutter’s argument (sorry, that’s the truth) it gives credibility to the claim that conservatives are not to be taken seriously.
So to Mr. J’s point regarding crazies, since I responded to a response of a response to a crazy: “Who is more the Fool, the Fool or the Fool who follows the fool?”
And an ObiWan/Star Wars quote surely puts me in squarely in the “Crazy” camp, eh?
DO I GET A PRIZE?
So, right or wrong, we should just give up and accept the status quo?
Yeah, that’s what those who violate the law love: Apathy. =’[.]‘=
Ummm… do you even have the basic level of self-awareness to realize that you are acting crazy… in a thread specifically devoted to mocking crazy people just like you?
Another way of phrasing this question would be… umm, when you’re crazy, do you… like… KNOW that you’re crazy?
Or, when you’re crazy, do you think that you’re perfectly normal, and everyone else must be nuts?
Yes.
I agree 100% with your comment AND I would like to add that for the liberal agenda to be successful it only requires that the majority of people in America don’t have anywhere they can get the truth. This is the whole idea behind “PC” aka politically correct speech.
The Left long ago figured out if they could threaten anyone into silence who dared to say something that undercut their “narrative” by calling them “anti-semetic”, a racist, a birther, or as this article details a “crazy person”.
It all seems to me to be a way of trying to control the dialog and to censor the truth by selectively deciding who can speak and what will be allowed to be heard. Well I say BS…that is crazy talk for screw you!!! These Lefties are taking the entire system down and I for one am going to continue to call them on it. LOUDLY!!!
I know – its off-topic but this reminds me of what I thought when I first saw that u tube video that dissects the PDF containing Obama’s birth cert. And I haven’t heard or read any commentary along this vein of thought. Maybe Obama did that on purpose – it lays to rest the question of Obama’s birth for more people – and gives them who still can’t ‘get over it’ another avenue to pursue – and harp about. And in the meantime lets Obama and Co. (MSM) paint the whole of the right with the same broad brush he’s been using before. All this from the actions of a few ‘birthers’.
Think about it.
There is that. Also, if you’re the Leader of the Free World and before that your gig was “Chicago politician”, you’re going to be able to come up with any old document you want. Being a birther just isn’t worth the energy.
You have basically destroyed much of Frank Fleming’s point. There is also reasonable doubt about the official story of 911. Basically, Frank sounds overly angry about the ‘crazy’ and is actually hoping that he’s really, truly sane. I hope so as well.
Frank, spot on.
Until recently, I was a moderator at a major message board (now regrettably shut down). Everything you’ve said rings true to me.
A column from Frank J Fleming on how not to appear crazy. My head is still spinning.
Your head is spinning? That means that your tinfoil hat is not properly adjusted. Correct yourself, before the Men in Black get you.
Since Frank J works hard at deliberately appearing crazy in order to make a point and entertain people, he is an expert on the subject.
Remember how Dee Snyder of Twisted Sister blew away a Senate hearing by being polite, knowledgable, and on-topic and not acting crazy?
How’s this for a bit of birther conspiracy……….. who can tell me how long the CIA was watching OBL before the white house green lighted the raid? now who can tell me why they waited so long? could it be they needed time to create the long form birth certificate? so it could be released right before the raid? out of the blue? then cap OBL and watch it all get swallowed up in the “ball spiking” (which we don’t need to do by the way). just sayin………
…and here’s Exhibit B… another person who either didn’t read or just ignored the section headed “Respond to an Actual Point and Not Just Something That’s Been Mentioned.”
Something tells me I’d be doing this all day if I chose to sit here and hit refresh every few minutes. However, I have a life, therefore I’ll be doing other things, so I’ll trust my fellow non-crazy people to keep pointing out the people that ignore the tips they just allegedly read.
The answer to the earlier question about how long had they been holding onto the information about where Osama bin Ladin was hiding. Since August of 2010.
More important if it wasn’t for the free flow of information that the internet allows the “public” would be as clueless as the talking heads on the Old Stream Media. And that is about as Orwellian as I could take.
And if all comments comply with your rules, then that will be the end of all Liberal/Leftist/Democrat/Socialistic/Marxist/Progressive dialogue, and the Democrat Party. Who will run Congress?
(Heh,heh; You didn’t cover the use of the “/”)
“Even a broken clock is right twice a day”. In other words; Even if we know we are nuts doesn’t mean we should give up trying.
After all; You wrote this article!!!!!!!!
I AM SORRY BUT BARACK OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS FAKE.
Wow, here’s Exhibit C and D, posted while I was commenting on Exhibit B above.
This one gets two, because he/she/it ignores both the caps lock tip and the one about “Respond to an Actual Point and Not Just Something That’s Been Mentioned.”
Hey “ConservativeWanderer” you are a racist, anti-semetic troll. Now that is funny.
As insults go, that’s so weak it even made me smile.
After decades of being called that by lefties everywhere, those sorts of comments just make me sure that I’m scoring points. You have no way of logically refuting my statements, so you turn to the most juvenile sorts of insults… just like any good Obamabot.
Congrats, nickel! You’ve adopted the tactics of the side you claim to be fighting against. And in doing so, you’ve parodied yourself far, far better than I ever could.
AND he didn’t check his spelling. This gets better by the minute. (And I refrained from using exclamation points to show that I am not crazy._
Wow, here’s Exhibit C and D, posted while I was commenting on Exhibit B above.
Nickel hasn’t been told irony doesn’t work well on the internet. Fleming’s next piece in the series will hopefully fix that, too.
Oh, irony can and does work online… ya just gotta pick the right place and time to use it, and use it skillfully.
That is’ it!! You could take on the irony function so that when it is the right time and place to use it you could point that out to the rest of us benighted souls by maybe posting a comment that says, okay irony is now permissible for all those who have the appropriate documentation and the necessary permits.
In fact maybe you could change your name from ConservativeWadder the Progressive Skipper to Irony Nanny, and save us all from trying to remember who you are.
My, my, nickel… such hostility!
Perhaps you need to reread the section entitled “Don’t Be Surprised When People Have Opinions Different From Your Crazy One.”
Did you read any of the article, or did you just skip to the comments and start tossing out your crazy non-sequitur opinions?
Actually I did read the article and missed the part that it was no required doctrine. Have you been posting here long?
I’ve been posting here far longer than you have… unless you’ve been using different names like a troll. Me, I just stick with one name… the one I use on my own humble little blog. Makes life much easier.
You forgot the exclamation points at the end.
Sorry, I was so busy trying to make sure I wasn’t holding the ALL CAPS button down that I forgot to tag the comment with the multiple exclamation points. How is this?
“Hey “ConservativeWanderer” you are a rookie, racist, anti-semetic troll.”
Now that is funny!!! With apologies to Larry the Cable Guy, from whom I stole this line.
And you might appear a little less crazy if you learned to spell anti-semitic.
Thanks, like Anwar Sadat said to an American left wing journalist before he died, “I can’t be an anti-semite you moron, I am a semite.”
A basic problem that believing “Birthers’ must overcome:
A) Hillary Clinton really wanted the Democratic nomination in 2008;
B) Hillary’s staff would have looked at eligibility of her competition
C) Anyone claiming that BHO was not born in the USA is basically accusing Hillary’s staff of political incompetence.
I can’t believe that Hillary’s staff in 2008 was incompetent. Some in it might be dishonest, or have indulged in selective quotation of opponents; but too incompetent to check BHO’s credentials? Never!
TeaPot562
Hillary supporters started the whole “Birther” movement.
Since I just destroyed your entire argument, does that mean that you’re now a “Birther”? Or, instead of anything Hillary’s staff did or did not do, is the basic problem they must overcome actually that he was born in Hawaii and released his birth certificate (twice) as proof?
THIS WAS REALLY GOOD!!!!!
KEEPP Up TE NYCE WORK!!!!
I AM NOT A CROCKPOT!!!!
Hilarious.
With apologies to Monty Python’s Flying Circus; I could not resist…
First Voice Over: (Eric Idle) Dear Sir, I object very strongly to that last scene, and to the next letter.
(Cut to second letter.)
Second Voice Over: (Michael Palin) Dear Sir, I object to being objected to by the last letter, before my drift has become apparent. I spent many years in India during the last war and am now a part-time notice board in a prominent public school. Yours etc., Brigadier Zoe La Rue (deceased). PS Aghhh!
(Cut to third letter.)
Third Voice Over: (John Cleese) Dear Sir, When I was at school, I was beaten regularly every thirty minutes, and it never did me any harm – except for psychological maladjustment and blurred vision. Yours truly, Flight Lieutenant Ken Frankenstein (Mrs).
With further apologies to Monty Python…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwLirQS2-o
I work in mental health, and some ill people will find it physically impossible to follow several of these guidelines. Those with anosognosia are often unable to endure listening to a contrary opinion (I currently have one who literally covers her ears). Redirecting to a merely mentioned point comes in several varieties with distinct names but is a commonly-referenced symptom: tangential, ideas of reference, derailment, perseveration.
That all-caps thing, though, I don’t see any neurological reason people can’t get that message…
Also, don’t forget the Dunning-Kruger effect:
http://people.psych.cornell.edu/~dunning/publications/pdf/unskilledandunaware.pdf
The Dunning-Kruger effect is highly cultural. Even in America, the general culture in which it holds, it’s not clear if it is a long term effect, or just something of the era of their research.
The “Dunning-Kruger effect” is fatally flawed if it rests on the concept that anything written by Woody Allen or Al Franken is funny.
GREAT ALIAS, VILLAGE!!! VERY AMUSING!!!
I currently have one who literally covers her ears
I have a sister who does this when she hears anything that doesn’t agree with her political point of view — can we get her committed?
I had no idea her condition was so serious.
Great article…very funny…thanks.
Years ago, if you were crazy, you would be known as the crazy guy in the village. Today, the internet has allowed, for the first time in human history, all the crazy guys in the village to get together. This aggregation of crazy guys only serves to reinforce their craziness. The French have a saying: “Folie a deux” (Wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux ). I propose we adjust this idiom to modern times to “Folie a beaucoup”.
Don’t post on sites where there is no real conversation. Only through the give-and-take of conversation are communication skillz developed and matured. Only in the challenge-response interplay of conversation are ideas developed beyond group think and crowd affirmation of well-phrased and presented dicta.
Well dicta is not the right word. Dictate is what I meant. “To impose, pronounce, or specify authoritatively”, like some Bill O’Reilly preachementatum. Folks LOVE getting preached to authoritatively, because it feeeels like real learning, real knowledge. It–that passive preaching of dikta–rarely stands the test of long-term memory or ability to wield effectively in life, but what the who! Folks REALLY LIKE IT.
Even me, when I’m half-asleep or fatigued past the ability to think clearly. BUT I DON’T LIKE LIKING IT!
Run to a conversation! Run to challenges of ideas and presentations of ideas! Participate only with those willing to give and take, and not just dump, dump, dump and demand, demand, demand. Or delude.
Dicta, or “obiter dicta” can be influential says Wikipedia. And that’s right. A side note in passing, a tangential observation. In my experience–quite influential. So don’t be too constrained in sticking to the subject. Many a social idea gets started as an off-topic blurt-out-sorta in a conversation.
Let’s have MORE Conversations. Open this site up.
Where’s the self search? Where’s the essay writers (other then Wretchard and a few others) willing to engage in actual discussion? Mix it up.
FWIW, I stopped reading this post after “Folks just LOVE getting…”.
Here’s another aspect of online crazy: Thinking people will be attracted to your advertising if you make it flash, spin and crawl, and generally be so obnoxious that a person can’t even read the article on the page your flashing ad appears on. What this does is make a reader irritated by you and your product. To a non-crazy mind, it seems counterintuitive to pay for something that irritates your sales prospects.
Fleming — Ever watch a paid partisan shill who, no matter what is said, will go to his couple of talking points?
Believing that paid shills exist is another form of craziness. Any number of wannabe totalitarians wishing to exercise their control of all via care of the planet’s atmospheric mixture claim that they’re thwarted by “disinformation” spread by vested corporate interests (i.e. oil companies.) It’s as if the thinking is that it’s not possible to be a climate skeptic via one’s own efforts.
Oh, yeah. And how are we sposed 2 know your not a PAID SHILL “geoscientist” working for SLUMBUGGER???!!??
HUH?
Well, I think Frank was referring to press secretaries and people who speak for political parties, who are certainly paid, and certainly shills, and argue in the way that Frank describes.
Anyway, there’s a difference between believing that paid shills exist, and believing that everyone who disagrees with you is a paid shill.
HAHAHAHA!!! VERY GOOD ARTICLE, LOTS OF GOOD TIPS, FORTUNATELY I’M NOT CRAZY!!!!
Nice work, Frank. You know how to get the nuts really stirred up.
WONDEERFUL ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!
I have ONLY one mention to make: THE LAST HOPE IS JESUS CHRIST!
(I forgot, Harold Camping just said that, sorry)
Rather than people who feed their horses, cattle, and mules the
last tons of real morphine they have left and replace it with
substitutes made of smoke,
I prefer the people who eat off the bare earth the delirium from
which they were born
I mean the Tarahumara
eating Peyote off the ground
while they are born,
and who kill the sun to establish the kingdom of black night,
and who smash the cross so that the spaces of spaces can never
again meet and cross.
And so you are going to hear the dance of TUTUGURI.
I use cap locks to emphasize a word, because I write in a conversational tone and I am too lazy to go through the trouble of writing out an algebraic equation every time italics or bold would fit. On sites that have buttons for emphasis, I use them.
I also use the ellipse much more frequently than most do. These are blogging commentary idiosyncratic shortcuts. Writing style choices.
And, I believe that global warming reporting has been a hoax. I believe that Obama has been unvetted and the leftists that surround him have an evil intent toward this country and Israel. I believe that Stanley Kurtz uncovered key information about the radicals that have surrounded him the whole of his life.
I believe that David Horowitz has written a book called the Shadow Party. I believe there is evidence that Soros is a man with a plan.
I believe that Obama has not released information about his past for a reason. I don’t know what that reason is. I have never adopted the “birther” issue, but I do not believe that those who think that Obama’s past is murky, riddled with bad characters and that it has been covered up by the media are “crazies”.
I think rampant, unchecked leftism is a grave danger to this land of ours. We do ourselves a great disservice by heaping scorn on those that point that fact out to others, or that highlight it.
Use of caps for emphasis is reasonable and different than shouting. Some have a tendency to overuse, but… so? Some women use too much perfume, but it doesn’t mean they’re crazy.
Thanks for the sanity check.
I share your crazy.
A breath of fresh air, cfbleachers, thank you.
But what if the squirrels really are watching you?
It’s just part of the larger squirrel conspiracy.
Thank you for the …
SQUIRREL!
… link to Toonopedia. I’ve bookmarked the URL.
Top Ten Signs Conservative Rednecks Have No Sense of Humor:
1. They tell each other jokes from “F Troop” reruns.
2. They laugh out loud at Rush Limbaugh jokes.
3. They’re addicted to funny pseudonyms but don’t actually know how to create one.
4. They clap their hands in delight when some moron takes a song from 1987 and “cleverly” alters the lyrics.
6. They have an endless appetite for photos of cats acting like humans.
7. They wash, rinse and repeat “wash, rinse and repeat” until your eyes start to burn.
8. They think irony comes from too much starch.
9. Mark Twain is their “go to” guy.
10. They think the term “Marxist Brothers” is funnier than the actual Marx Brothers.
Sergeant Morgan O’Rourke: F Troop just wouldn’t be the same without the Old Man, sir.
Captain Wilton Parmenter: What Old Man?
Sergeant Morgan O’Rourke: Why, you, sir. You’re the Old Man.
Captain Wilton Parmenter: That’s right. I keep forgetting I’m the Old Man around here.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
“Corporal Randolph Agarn: How do you get to Fort Courage? That’s easy. You take a right at the rock that looks like a bear, then a left at the bear that looks like a rock…”
Only read the first paragraph through,and can’t be bothered to read further. I must say, the author of this very piece is crazy. No sane person would spend so much time discussing such trivial substance.
well frank you can led some people to water but their is no way that you can than force them to drink
One key tip that the author forgot or overlooked, or which was deleted by the editor or admin:
DON’T WRITE FOR PAJAMAS MEDIA.
It’s too much of a giveaway
Of course, you realize–or perhaps you’re too crazy to realize–you just broke your own rule. You wrote something on PajamasMedia.
God, I love doing that to idiot trolls. And they set themselves up for it so wonderfully…
We are so lucky to have you come and join us here, not only do you have absolutely no sense of humor you don’t really have much in the way of awareness either. What part of the joke didn’t you understand?
The only joke I see around here is you.
Tell me, are you really so crazy that you are breaking all of Frank’s guidelines that you can, or are you just pretending to be in order to make us PJM regulars look bad?
I am sorry if I am not playing by the author or apparently your rules. I don’t know who you think you are but last I checked I didn’t have a PC editor assigned to me. But nice try.
Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
Heinrich Heine
i think someone forgot to mention the tendency of some saners (people who think others are crazy) to put subjects or people they don’t like into categories filled with obvious miscreants. an example would be putting birthers or other folks they want to silence into a paragraph with names like hitler. isn’t this similar to those who use hitler to campare to today’s demon on demand?
the left has for many years now tried (successfully) to control the conversation by using name calling and shaming language to try to silence those with a different set of values.
That’s a damned good point!
When I’m conversing with someone who thinks the Apollo moon landings were hoaxed, I can pick him apart completely without calling him a “mooner” a “spacer” or any sort of “er.”
If someone believes the birth certificate is legit let’s hear it defended point by point without the word “birther” ever entering the conversation. It would be an interesting grammatical exercise, like asking a comedian to do an entire routine without the f-word.
Actually, FrankJ should have also said “Your shift key–use it, too. Remember the ‘No-Caps-Lock’ stratagem? Goes for ‘No-shift’, too. Use your shift key appropriately, too.”
i agree with you 99.44/100% of what ever you just said…i am not considered to be a whiz on the keyboard. and am a bit lazy also….if it does not have the letters visible to see, i am at a loss, does that make me a stupid idiot…i think not….i can discuss with the best, but do not always have the eligence that i see from most of you…..and friends, each of are different, but have something to offer….so be kind to a typest like me…..josie wales
Here are my tips:
Don’t use the word “sheeple,” or the phrase “hook line and sinker.”
The official version is not a lie just because the government said it. To say that I’m one of the sheeple who falls for something hook, line and sinker because I won’t believe that the US government hijacked a plane full of people, took it to a secret location to quietly dismantle it and execute all the passengers, then fired a missile at the Pentagon, and told everyone that it was a plane that hit it… Well, do I really need to go on?
What I find humorous about the “Loose Change” and “Zeitgeist” people is that they insist that 9/11 was an inside job because “The government needs to make someone into an enemy, because they can control you when they make you fear a boogeyman!” Meanwhile, that’s precisely their own tactic in making demons out of Bush and Cheney.
There’s another class of crazy posters: the ones who change their posting names constantly so as to avoid troll filters.
These people’s crazy is also easy enough to spot within a sentence or two, so their posts still get skipped, but they’re so starved for attention that they can’t face the thought that they’d be troll-filtered if they kept the same name.
Thanks, even if there is ZERO chance the loons out there will listen!!!!
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-06-03/
Forgot something and no I am not crazy. Remember that the only person who got traction with the birther issue was Donald Trump and he was only playing it for some media attention. SO before you bring it up ask yourself; Am I Donald Trump? If the answer is no, let it be.
I don’t know where Barack Hussein Obama was born but I do know that the birth certificate he produced on April 27, 2011 is fraudulent and that to do so is a felony. I do know that the Social Security number Mr. Obama has been using since 1980 is not the one that was issued to him legally. I also know that the house he bought with the help of Tony Rezko currently serving time in prison in Illinois, is held in a trust because Barack Obama couldn’t get a mortgage because of his use of the questionable social security number.
I do know that Mr. Obama’s Selective Service Registration also appears to be fraudulent. I also know that there will be several states who pass laws demanding that the above questions be answered before the President’s name is allowed to be placed on the 2012 Presidential ballot. SO while I don’t know who his father was or if he was indeed born in Hawaii, I do know that there is no way this issue is over.
Well said, nickel, and thank you.
There are an infinite number of things that I don’t know for sure, but from the beginning, this one keep me awake at night the least because proof of foreign birth would be be a gift to progressives. It would suck the air out of discussions about the debt crisis, liberty and the WOT and redirect it fan civil disobedience through charges of racism, right wing conspiracies and false persecution. Once he was elected, it was too late.
I am Donald Trump. My hair is real. The man on TV is an imposter.
No, I’m the real Donald Trump. My hair is actually a small furry marsupial that nests there. The guy on TV is fake, sent there by the Bilderbergs and the Illuminati, to muddy the waters for me.
Oh, and Napolean says to say “Hello.” He’s in the rubber room next to me…
Immediately after reading your column, I came across this in the comments to a blog on Palin’s emails. No CAPS but all Bold and large font. (probably an overlooked crazy-indicator)
“The US and its puppet states (the UK, Israel, Canada, Japan, Taiwan etc.) might seem the dominant force in today’s world, but in reality the edifice of US imperialism is a lot weaker than it appears.
Time and again, history has shown that reactionism is a paper tiger…..”.
And on and on for several paragraphs. Made me laugh.
I don’t know, Frank. I find the standard clues left by the crazy commenter to be a great time-saver. There’s no upside to reading further; if the crazy person has a good point buried in there somewhere, someone else will make it — and without all the birther/truther hoo-ha.
LOL. Meeoowww.
The seventh sense: I see comments from crazy people only they don’t know they’re crazy
WHAT BOUT UZIN ITALICS?
WHAT BOUT UZIN ITALICS?
Oh, you’re absolutely right Liam. It’s most annoying.
Speaking of long screeds, I caught myself reading the bold points and maybe a paragraph before skipping to the bold point.
You missed a huge one. USE PARAGRAPHS!!! I refuse to read a monolithic block of 3000 words, and people on the internet do that all the time. There’s a reason why paragraphs were invented. None of the rest of the grammar Nazi stuff matters, but this does. i cam live with improper speling, i can live with grocers apostrophe’s, i can live with no capitolization, but i need PARAGRAPHS!!!
11ty!!!
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the use of quotes.
This was often the device used by curmudgenly oldsters in letters to the editor
who are often miffed by,well, things in general.
It’s problem when you listen to “so-called” experts, ya know.
Or *asterisks*…
Some very good news from the trenches, Obama is toast in Pennsylvania. With the Pennsylvania 20 Electoral votes out of reach for Obama in 2012 and North Carolina and Virginia that pretty much puts re-election for Obama out of reach.
Trolls maybe might want to be cashing those checks soon.
“A new poll from Susquehanna Polling and Research says that 48% of Pennsylvanians disapprove of Obama’s performance, while 41% approve.
Also: Only 43% of registered voters in Pennsylvania say Obama has done well enough to deserve re-election, the poll said; 50% say ” it is time to give a new person a chance.”
Writes Jim Lee, president of Susquehanna Polling & Research:
“The fact that 1 in 2 voters are looking for someone else suggests that President Obama has little room to grow and that Pennsylvania will again be a toss-up state in next year’s presidential election, particularly if the slow economic recovery continues to haunt the president.”
Simply put, it’s hard to see how Obama wins re-election without Pennsylvania.
This is the MESSENGER vs. MESSAGE argument. Or better yet WE THE ELITE PEOPLE vs. WE THE PEOPLE. A prominent political figure has a successful history of doing away with this COMMAND AND CONTROL structure similiar to what is being foisted off on internet participants through a meager attempt with this article. One person, a single individual (this author), has established themselves as the one and only, sole, arbiter of proper etiquette vs. protocol on the internet (obs: emphasis on the word INTER). This prominent political figure (Palin) fought against (and won) their fight with entrenched ELITIST (emphasis on entrenched) structures that were choking and killing a vibrant State’s economic engine…just like one (ELITIST)person has decided to choke off all, every f—ing vestige of opinion, dissent, opposing view points on this the INTERnet. You sir, are an ELITIST. NO ONE individual CONTROLS the friggin’ INTERnet. Just Get Over It! If you don’t like your TV, turn it off. If you don’t like your INTERnet, another very easy to use button on your computer is …OFF! dsmmit, all opinions are welcomed…go have some more latte, sir!
If this a parody, very subtle. If this serious, then I would point out that you are not part of the elitists nor the common people because neither of those groups talk like absolute nut-burgers.
Hey “Frank J. Flemming” maybe you have just gotten to the point where you think you have a little more authority than you actually have.
As the author of the article it seems you have forgotten that it is the reader who decides if your writng is witty or rather is viewed as coercive and offensive to free speech.
Either way YOU don’t get a vote. Sorry for the capitalized emphasis.
oh no! what are you going to say next? that 2+2 isn’t 5???!!!!
Thank you, Frank, for giving me the perfect link to use in replying to the crazies.
This might just turn into the most linked-to column on the intertubes.
“Hey, Crazy, Even if your right and the world ends say on . . . Thursday, you won’t get noticed for being right, and won’t be her to say ‘I told you so.’ It’ll be just like your life now there will be no there there.”
From one CRAZY to ANOTHER. O.K. I’m guilty of some of this especially the guy with too much time on his hands writing 1000 word essays in the comments section. Guilty as charged but I spel prety good and alwase do a thruh job of pruf reeding my stuf.
mi tu. But seriously I sometimes write very long comments (and usually people do read and respond to them) and I also read very long comments if they are interesting. Maybe long texts don’t fit everywhere, but certainly in the most interesting and informative blogs (including the comments section) I know long comments are quite common. It really depends on content and on context. Chat room style discussion may be easier to digest, but it’s often a waste of time. Serious discussions sometimes produce long comments that take more effort, but are rewarding.
I liked the article and think it is good to be reminded of internet etiquette every once and a while. The only caution I have is that not everyone knows about all this etiquette.
I am thinking of an elderly person I know who sends email and comments in all caps, because she gets confused on how to make it stop writing in caps. She is not stupid at all, but is a little computer scared. Another elderly person writes in all caps, because she can see what she is writing better. (I have changed her font size to help)
Though they are unwittingly breaking an internet etiquette rule, they both still have interesting and intelligent things to say. So, I think we have to be careful about branding everyone who makes an etiquette mistake as a troll; sometimes they are just new or not net savvy.
Call me crazy, but isn’t ‘Internet’ supposed to be capitalized?
“Find the latest Internet articles, news, and information from the communications
experts at Scientific American.” http://www.scientificamerican.com/
Totally right on that, writeby, thanks for the correction. It is ‘Internet’ for the Internet at large and ‘internet’ for a small portion of said Internet.
(Andrew) Sullivan. He stuck with it despite it being “the government is concealing the fact that 2 + 2 = 5!” crazy.
In the interests of seizing on one line in an essay and going off on a tangent, I offer Andrew McCarthy’s recent observations on the 2 + 2 thing, insightful as to the way crazy people (and democrats) “reason”, to wit:
If two plus two is four, it may be fine…to say, “Let’s go with six, because moderate voters really want it to be six, and the Left, after all, says it is ten, so six is reasonable.”
Signed,
still crazy after all these years
(AT LEAST THIS ISN’T THE 200TH BLOG POST !!!)
2 + 2 = 5, but only in Room 101 and only if Obama says it is.
Good points. One disagreement, though. Andrew Sullivan is quite obviously a crazy of the anti-semite variety. He can’t seem to be able to keep that under control.
cAn I hAs cHeZbUrGuEr?
It’s unfortunate to learn that some people, such as the author, believe that all writing is scholarly and meant to be devoid of tone or nuance.
These are probably the same people who complain that “sarcasm just doesn’t translate to email”, usually after they’ve just made a completely awful joke and had their smarmy arses flamed off.
squirrels are spying on you!!!! Be afraid… bE vErY aFrAiD!!!
Do you have any pix of a cat wearing a top hat and a monocle and a marmoset dressed like an NFL lineman?
Thanks.
I refuse to beleeve enytheng u said hear amnd wil alwayz coment the way i want 2!!!! BECAYZWE YOU CAN’T STOP MEE!!
Those using an iPad know that you can’t use italics, bold or underline comments. Just woud like the folk that post to know that.
DIS TOO LONG ME STOP REED!!!
CHEEZBURGER??
My favorites: The people who don’t feel that there is really any need for a space between sentences.After all, there is a period that everyone can easily see.So it’s not necessary to put a space.Not at all.
And the people who don’t think that multiple paragraphs are needed in their 1200 word essays.
My favorite of all, of course, is the guy who combines these, turning his writing into an instrument of torture. If anyone read it.
Oh. My. God: Jimmyjoe. I made it through one of his posts, and they aren’t as crazy as they look but I rarely manage to get through them.
Is RT-TV (Russia Today) crazy?
They had great coverage today of topics the western “mainstream” media don’t touch: suffering of Libyans under continuous bombing of civilian targets by NATO (sorry about the capitals here); what’s going on in the BILDERBERG meeting (sorry again); today’s anniversary of the fall of communism in Russia.
I”m glad I live here in New Zealand where you can get a great variety of news sources: CNN and Fox from the USA, CCTV from China, RT from Russia, Al-Jazeera from the Arab world, and the daily newscasts from France, The Netherlands, Germany as well as the BBC.
RT-TV is particularly important as they broach strategically important topics not touched upon by ANY AMERICAN MEDIA (capitals again), for example the fact that the American military has set up a missile ship in the Black Sea, absolutely infuriating the Russian government which claims the USA promised not to do that. And showing the truth about the Euro (it is going to collapse soon).
Well, Frank, I’m new here and I liked the article even though I’ve been known to capitalize the odd word for effect. All caps just makes it hard to read, shouting rule aside, it’s just bloody difficult to read.
Just as I was about to craft 1,200 hundred words of commentary on this subject I remembered that I have to get up in the morning, because I have a life.
Didn’t Jon Stewart hold a rally to say pretty much entirely what was in this article? I’m a filthy hippie liberal and I have a lot of conservative friends (like most liberals I have a lot of conservative views, like auditing the FED, dissolving the Depts of Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs, allowing bars to accept smokers, etc…remember that Howard Stern’s endorsements read like a Who’s Who of NY/NJ GOPs and ran for Governor as a Libertarian, but whenever he says ‘Obama doesnt seem like a bad guy’ he’s referred to as a ‘liberal talk show host’). Having typed that overlong addendum, the reason we get along so well is because we listen to each other’s notions, agree or disagree, and discuss why.
There are some guy’s who insist on talking about ‘forcing down our throats’ and ‘putting a gun to my head’ and, of course, name calling. I don’t like talking to those people and my conservative friends don’t like talking to those people. Hell, I dumped a hot massage therapists because she wouldn’t shut up about how much she hates Republicans. Even if I HATED them (rather than disagree with some of their ideologies), I still have more than one thing to talk about in a damn day.
I only write what the voices in my head tell me. Unless I am channeling Barry Goldwater.
I am a Democrat who thinks Obama is ineligible, and I don’t think I am crazy or racist. I am just following Obama’s own words that people who hide stuff have something to hide, and he has sealed all his personal records. It is logical to assume if he were part of the GOP, the MSM would go crazy over this like they did with Palin’s e-mails. Just look at the media to see how they tried to protect the Weiner flasher to see how crazy they really are. The people who are crazy are the ones in the MSM.
Well said! Thank you.
Now I know when they talk about 10% unemployment, where all these people are. They’re here, wasting time talking about nothing. The first five people said everything there was to say. The rest is blabber. Shouldn’t you all be out looking for work?
Such vicious criticism will surely condemn you as “crazy”.
This is where the looney left gets it’s news ideas.
This here’s just plain cutting edge, prescient, journalism in it’s infancy.
Personally, my attitude is that if I’m crazy, best that that be made obvious to the world. Similarly, if I’m just plain wrong, criticism is the way I can improve my ideas, by people showing me where I’ve screwed up.
Some problems that confound this: First, spam filters that suppress URLs. This means I have to quote at length rather than say “just see (URL)”.
Second, italics and bold are NOT universally supported. It can be a PITA when for emphasis you have to use *asterisks*, or <i> or [I] depending – and sometimes it’s “none of the above”. OTOH if you overuse acronyms such as PITA for Pain-In-The-Whatever, or OTOH for On-the-other-hand, it detracts from the *sparing* use of capitalisation for emphasis. (Yes, this paragraph is self-referential)
Anyway… it’s essential to give references when arguing for an unpopular or controversial position. Not so much to convince others, but so others can show you where you went wrong.
With all of the problems above, being painstakingly intellectually honest (if possibly mistaken) in arguing an unpopular view can be tricky, without making a post so long it’s TLDR; – too long, didn’t read.
How DOES one get bold or italics at this site with a Mac?
Are you using a Big Mac, Mac-N-Cheese, or what?
oh my! I mis-read your nick as “cheezburguer”… now I really need a brain check
Where’s “miriam rove”?
Posting in another name?
Here’s one thing I’ve noticed about crazy people’s websites. A sane person will divide their topic up into subtopics, with a separate page for each, and provide navigation allowing the user to peruse each subtopic or not as they see fit. A crazy person’s website will always be one big massive page 20 feet long. I finally concluded that it’s because each part of their truth is so important that they can’t let anybody take a pass on reading any small part of it.
As I am often wont to say: “Everyone is crazy but thee and me. And I’m beginning to wonder about thee!”
If these rules were actually followed then FreeRepublic would surely die a quick death.
The one comment that has not been named here are the handicapped. I suffer from familia tremors. Which means I shake. My voice will be like Katherine Hepburn one day.
On days were my shakes are out of control, I will type in cap letters. It is the only way I can type in these circumstances.
Why do people care if you type in caps or not? Saying there is internet etiquette is a misnomer. It is it’s own form of shorthand.
There are too many other things important in this word, than worrying about how someone types. To make an issue of it is crazy.
Ah, yes!
Report this site to the ADA. It’s not wheel chair accessible. That organization defines “sanity” and common sense.
Does that qualify me as “crazy”, insensitive, and offensive?
I am a geezer, don’t forget. I am a minority in my own right too. I might even be “special needs”, but I would not state that on an internet site for all the world to know. (My thought process has a noticeable limp.)
I’ve learned to deal with my inabilities..
EVEN THOUGH I’M CRAZY!!!!!!!
Why not put a discaliner on the bottom in parentheses. “(Typed in caps because of physical limitations)”, somethign like that. Weall have our issues, and you have my sympathy.
Frank, now that you got that whole J. Hines (IOTW) thing out of the way, you really need to tell the world how you single-handedly tamed, subdued, tore apart, ripped to shredded underwear, the evil spam bot. With examples. Sweet, sweet examples. Heh.
NO IT’S NOT!!!111!!!
Symantics and grammer are an asset. But hey, in the comments section it is the idea expressed that matters. Of course you nailed it on the head on comments I just don’t bother with.
The creepy part of the left is the constant attack on formal grammer and spelling in what I consider an informal setting. Hell, I’ll use bad grammer, verb tense, and will mispell a word or two to make a point (Thats my story and I’m sticking too it).
Most annoying is the more advanced liberals who have actually studied the “Dialect.” Which philosophically boils down to how to lie intelligently, with good grammer of course. There are not a lot rational options left to substantiate your case when you are shoveling Marxism and Communism as a virtue. So they attack on the basis you are stupid because you mispelled a word.
Thanks anyway for this story, Newbies take note. There is a difference between crazy and most of the people who post here…
Most posters here are legitimately pissed off. And, are able to articulate themselves using reason and insight.
Compare to the vitral in the comments section of the Huff Post…
Except the trolls and the bigots (often the same).
Hmmmmm. Is that too many mmmmms?
Simply put: ROFL.
This is now bookmarked and will now be spread librally over the internet. This proccess shall be much like butter on a very crazy toast.
So, verbosity is one of the symptoms of being a net kook, says the guy who just wrote something that would be verbose at one fourth it’s length?
Comment on “mentioned in passing”: This is a common argument method used by people who do not wish to defend their position. In particular, the comment about Obama’s birth cert. The author throws includes a straw man in this brief mention, and elsewhere says anyone who wishes to argue anything mentioned in the original article in passing has to be a nut (ad homin attack).
(My position on the “natural citizen” question is that it should have been taken to court to settle. This is just too strange. The most recent birth cert I’ve seen is obviously an altered document, easily seen if you magnify the view and compare the gray scale original writing with the black and white alterations. What is going on here?)
the martians are coming! the martians are coming!
Alynski. Divert from the subject using ridicule.
I think that another point to be made to crazy internet people is that comments on a website are put on there, typically, by people unaffiliated with the website or any other commenters who have posted there. In fact, it is completely possible that the proprietors of the website, and even the other commenters on the website, completely disagree with something that another commenter has posted there.
Be very careful about reading an article on a website, seeing nothing shocking or disagreeable, and then scrolling down to the comments, seeing something shocking/disagreeable, and then attributing it to every person who has ever written for or commented on said website – or even worse, assuming that because the political ideaology of said website is X that all people of ideology X now agree with what the commenter wrote. It seems to be all together too common, and is unfortunately very often the result of Mobys who are not of the same ideology saying outrageous things to paint their opponents with a biased brush.
Racist comments are the main perpetrators of this problem. Crazy people see some racist goon post something racist on a conservative website and voila! All Conservatives are now racists.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!1111
You better not place them above the kittens!!!!!!!
Good points all, except for the bit about Godwin’s law.
Godwin’s law holds precisely because HITLER! IS! ALL! OVER! teh. intertubes.
Who came up with the idea TO POST THIS COlumn days before I had a chance to make an inane comment???? !!!!
-That’s what makes me crazy. Was it the Jews? Was it the Jews that killed Kennedy so that they could haz chzbrger b4 I could get some?
[ Apologies to any son or daughter of anyone, anywhere, who takes offense at my comments. I'm not good at this KrazyKomment persona. ]
how about telling the truth? does that do it?
“eleventy11!!!”
I laugh every time I recall it. Thanks for the good advice and good humor.
These comments were all pretty predictable. I wrote down most of them while investigating the Humboldt Current in a bathscape in 1947.
They’re in a time capsule in your backyard.
I don’t know why people who text-message or type online have to use one-letter abbreviations either. Annoying. I never do that. I have heard some people refer to that as “internet shorthand”. I could really do without it.
I appreciate the reminders. I know I sometimes come off that way, but that is because I have a life and a real job (almost capitalized it) and a family – and it is difficult to spend the proper amount of time to properly proofread. In the old USENET days I used to spend an hour on a comment, copy it and spellcheck first – and even then you were supposed to reply privately first in many cases.
I guess blog-commenting is too easy. Besides, my brain IS(*) faster than my fingers, and I don’t type that well, in spite of programming for a living.
Also, I can’t stand anti-semites.
(*) That one slipped in.
These are important tips for the ring wing.
Every conspiracy wingnut should remember the First Law of Attribution™:
NEVER ATTRIBUTE TO CONSPIRACY THAT WHICH CAN BE BLAMED UPON SIMPLE STUPIDITY.
I agree with virtually everything you are saying, but! I left what I felt was a “brainwashing” education system many years ago because I felt that I was NOT a number! Combined with my personal bile against “British Snobbery,” I started to travel.. and to many countries all around the World. But, because of my very personal sadness and disbelief on recent observations I was witnessing from ALL these countries, I decided to put what I had found on to a web page: http://www.wake-upbeforeitstoolate.com
Now; because of my lack of command of the English language, to the great majority of the “educated” individuals my written thoughts would probably be construed as coming from a complete ignoramus! But; why should my “thoughts” be judged just because of my lack of this English knowledge and how I should “grammatically” express myself?
Just a thought on the English language; if “Shakespeare” used the true form of the English language, why did we change it?
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Here is another tip; When writing a blog post that has nothing to do with politics, try to keep your personal political views from slipping into the story.
Actally as I read Frank J. Flemming’s post I had an uneasy feeling….which was clarified with his apparent reverence to “Godwins Law”…..
Any thoughtful person realizes “Godwins Law” was invented by lefties,to defend leftie tendencies to be totalitarian dictators and at the same time create a trump card to (in their mind) to win any debate decisively and discredit their opponents…..sorta like the “race card.”
Only lefites seem to invoke “Godwins Law”……basically an ad hominem…
Looks like someone missed that part about using proper grammar and capitalization.