Time for Some Islamic Self-Examination in Norway?
The most disheartening aspect of the demo in Oslo was not that Mohyeldeen Mohammed, a clean-cut Wahhabist who oozed Saudi style and spirit, threatened a new 9/11 or 7/7. What was most disturbing was the attitudes expressed by politicians across the left-to-right spectrum. Abid Raja of the Liberal Party was the first to speak out, warning against “violent Muslim raids.” (You’ll have to search far and wide for worse stigmatizing of Muslims than that,) Aamir Sheikh also predicted violence: “I believe there will be trouble. After all, there are 150,000 Muslims living in Norway. Every last one of them has been offended.” Even more serious is the fact that the vice president of the Norwegian Parliament was reading from the same script. Appearing on February 11 on TV2’s all-news channel, Akhtar Chaudhry maintained that Muslims “are harassed and persecuted every day” because “they are Muslims.” He then cited specific instances in which Muslims have been subjected to assault as evidence of how badly they are treated. Contrary to Chaudhry’s claims, however, the most oppressed people in today’s Norway, and in Europe generally for that matter, are the Muslim girls and women who are subjugated and mutilated by their own families, and whom Norway spends hundreds of millions of kroner annually to protect. Not to mention that the group that most actively harasses another group in Europe is Muslims, who employ violence against Jews on a staggering scale. That an elected official in a top government position should contribute to a rise in aggression even as he crudely falsifies reality should have political consequences. Can Kristin Halvorsen, the head of his party, live with his statements?
Chaudhry and his ilk should explain to us why they so rarely express their feelings in public when it really matters — that is, when it is individuals and not alleged prophets and holy texts that are under attack. When a young woman named Faiza is denied love. [Faiza Ashraf, a Norwegian-born 26-year-old woman with Pakistani parents, disappeared three weeks ago. She was most likely abducted and is still missing. It turns out that she has had a Norwegian Pakistani boyfriend for nine years whom her parents would not permit her to marry; they wished instead to marry her off in Pakistan.] When a young woman named Anooshe is murdered. [In 2002, Anooshe Gholam was shot to death outside the courthouse in Kristiansund by the husband she had left.] When Norwegian children are genitally mutilated. When Christians are killed in the Muslim world. When suicide bombers blow civilians — usually Muslims — to bits.
Chaudhry and his ilk should also ask themselves: what have we Muslims contributed to Norwegian society? Is there something we should be doing differently, given that we’re the group that is overrepresented in so many tragic statistics, whether they concern economic crime (as exemplified by recent cases of widespread cheating by Muslim cabdrivers), welfare outlays, or violent crime (such as forced marriage, violent assaults, and violence against women and children, the scale of which is reflected in the high numbers of Muslims at women’s shelters)? What can we do to improve our image, and thus help strengthen society and the welfare state?
And how about a little humor and self-irony? Do Norwegian Muslims agree with Ayatollah Khomeini’s famous statement — in one of his first speeches after the revolution — namely that “there are no jokes in Islam” and “there is no fun in Islam.”
It isn’t Norway that should change its fundamental culture. Our fundamental culture is why you came here. What’s needed is a change of mentality — and that’s a job for you to do yourselves.
This essay originally appearted in Bergens Tidende and was translated from the Norwegian by Bruce Bawer.
Europeans should deport or expel all Muslims from their continent or else they WILL become Islamic. Demographics is the future and the Europeans are losing.
The explanation is much simpler than that – as Cahit Kaya, council of ex muslims austria states (translated from http://www.pi-news.net/2010/02/zentralrat-der-ex-muslime-in-wien/#more-120791):
“Cahit Kaya: There are several dangerous Mosque groups active which massively missionarize youths and spread extremely racist and antisemitic ideologies. This has nothing to do with democracy anymore. In these clubs among other things the hate of ‘the west’ is incited and a turkish lead islamic master religion is propagated. Integration is rejected completely and actively fought. These people on purpose drag all migrants to the gutter. Because frustrated migrants are easy prey to integrate into their ideologies. Parallel societies are ideal ground to recruit new members and create are parallel economy to profit from.”
Original text:
“Cahit Kaya: Es sind einige sehr bedenkliche Moscheevereine aktiv, die massiv unter den Jugendlichen missionieren und äußerst rassistische und antisemitische Ideologien verbreiten. Mit Demokratie hat dies nichts mehr zu tun. In diesen Clubs wird u.a. der Hass auf „den Westen“ geschürt und eine von Türken an geführte islamische Herrenreligion pro pagiert. Integration wird völlig abgelehnt und aktiv bekämpft. Diese Leute ziehen alle Migranten ganz bewusst durch den Dreck. Denn frus trierte Migranten sind eine leichte Beute, um diese in die eigene Ideo logie einzugliedern. Parallelgesellschaf ten sind ein idealer Nährboden, neue Mitglieder für ihre Vereine zu rekrutieren und eine „Parallelwirtschaft“ aufzubauen, von welcher wohlhabende Muslime profitieren.”
Grüsse,
Arent
Blah, blah, blah. If you are not prepared to vigorously do what is necessary to protect your country, then curl up and die already. The problem and solution have been apparent for a long time.
TO ALL EUROPEANS: You are all done! With the exception of the Swiss, you have all caved. Here in America, we look at American involvement in the great world wars (especially WWII) as noble endeavors. Maybe, but in both wars we intevened to save the Europeans from snuffing themselves out. Europeans have been murdering each other by the bushell since forever, and in recent years needed big-time outside support to save what was good about Europe. Not this time; you’re on your own we the Muslim crisis YOU’VE allowed to take hold. You just sit back as radical Muslims in robes convene and threaten to destroy your free society? To kill your children? And you just turn and walk away. Imagine what would happen if those psychos tried that in Dallas! My advice: grow a pair and act before it’s too late. us Americans will not be coming to your aid on this one.
#4 James makes valid points. Here in the USA we are largely a gun owning society and not just in Texas. There is roughly one firearm per citizen. The reasons for the Muslim success in invading Europe in the middle ages were two. First there was no communication. A marauding group would descend on a village, kill the men and take over. The word wouldn’t get out to warn the next village. The victims had no real weapons with which to defend themselves. It isn’t that way here in the US. However, haven’t the political weenies in Europe largely defanged the population? Perhaps they should start learning Arabic.
See also links under POLITICAL PARALYSIS IN THE FACE OF ISLAMIC AGGRESSION at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.html
I agree with aramkr . This is a re-play of the rise of Nazism. Europeans waited until the last possible moment hoping they could make a “deal” with Hitler. Only Churchill saw them for what they were and he would see this Muslim group for what they are also; Evil!! Whoa, the “E” word, can you sophisticated Europeans accept it?
As one Spanish journalist had said:
“Europeans killed 6 million jews, and imported 20 million muslims”. You reap what you saw.
Ms. Storhaug:
I regularly read your good friend Bruce Bawer’s blog and have read his book “While Europe Slept.” (I have not yet read “Surrender”, but will).
You are honorable people, but the cause is lost. Norway is too awash in Marxism, pacifism and Jew-hatred (they still ban kosher food, don’t they?) to stand up to Islam.
Norwegians (not just the elites, but most of the populace) see the Joooooos as their real enemy, not the Muslims. This is why they allow Islam to grow.
They hope that the Muslims will finish the work of making Norway, Europe, and indeed, the whole world, Judenrein.
As for you and Bruce — well, Bruce I bet still has an American passport, and can come home anytime he wants, probably even with his spouse. You can come here and claim political asylum, just like Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Response to Arent’s post #2 quote…
That is exactly how the New Left and its gaggle of minority groups did it….it works great.
A couple of obsrvations:
It appears that as long as one acts in furthering Islam, then, according to Muslims, they can do no wrong. Thus, Muslims are always innocent and any reaction to their criminal deeds is “oppression”. That is why “peace-loving” Muslims will not even stand against the evil brutality of the Taliban. And, if someone does, the “peace-loving” Muslims side with the Taliban even though the Taliban is trying to kill them.
Also, Muslims have to be the most insecure group of people in the world. That is why they react violently to any perceived slight, real or imagined. Their societies are abject failures and the only thing they have to hold onto is the empty promises of their religion. Thus, they are unable to rationally debate their beliefs because they know, deep in their souls, that Muhammad was not a prophet and Allah is an imposter. But to admit such would be to admit that at the very core of their lives is a lie. A lie that has led to their temporal and eternal destruction. There will be no reasoning with Islam because it is irrational.
Finally, I cannot imagine the Germans succumbing to Islam. Eventually they will rise up and the streets of Europe will flow with Muslim blood. It’s inevitable.
“What’s needed is a change of mentality-and that’s a job for you to do yourselves.”
This late in the game, a statement this naive is almost too distressing to comment on. Although it is good advice for europeans themselves. Muslims are not in your country to assimilate. The main tenent of islam is to spread the religion by any means. This involves destroying the culture,eliminating the non-muslims and installing sharia. Period.
Real quick…..they wish to invoke sharia law. I will prevent that by invoking Mossberg law. Verse 590, A1 and it will come to that.
“”Also, Muslims have to be the most insecure group of people in the world. That is why they react violently to any perceived slight, real or imagined”
They are not insecure. This is a strategy to make you feel that you need to constantly accommodate them in your way of life until it becomes a habit. If you just ignore it and they don’t see that it is working they stop pushing. [or find more violent means to make you change]
The Norwegian elites refuse to accept the fact that Islam isn’t just a “religion” but a political system akin to Nazism, and this is why the Islamists are getting stronger and stronger in Norway. In fact, the same is true all over the West as well.
There’s no need to educate Muslims on the Western benefits – they are well aware of them and that’s why they keep coming in droves to take advantage of the Western prosperity, freedoms, and openness. There’s however a burning urgency to educate the Westerners on the dangers of Islam before it’s too late. Otherwise, pretty soon, Norway will become no better than Morocco or Pakistan – poor and miserable.
Islam has turned the cradle of the world’s civilization, the Middle East, into a spiritual wasteland; there’s no reason to think Islam can’t do the same to the West.
4. james:
Why’s that then? Because you have a muslim president?
4. james:
Actually James, you shouldn’t have bothered ‘saving’ us in WWII. If you didn’t we’d have none of this problem now for sure.
And the only reason you “saved” us anyway, was because you asset stripped us. Now that we have no assets (and neither do you) that’s the reason you won’t bother.
Islam knows its religion cannot stand scrutiny as any scrutiny will reveal it is all bullshit. The reason they hate Israel is that the presence of Israel in their midst reveals the lie that Islam is the “correct,or true” religion and the superior system. Throw these scumbags to the dogs before it is too late.
How many times does it need to be stated? “It’s the jihad, stupid!”
14. dalia, It’s bad enough when the ‘guilt trips’ are from our own family eh? -But, when it’s from a whole CULTURE of people? OY VEY! heh
“Finally, I cannot imagine the Germans succumbing to Islam. Eventually they will rise up and the streets of Europe will flow with Muslim blood. It’s inevitable.”
Hell no and HELL NO. We are reaching our breaking point here too in the US. It’s not as if we haven’t had enough reason to annihilate the savages over the past two decades. Muslims…will never assimilate and their political ideology is exactly the same as Nazism. They are not good for America…they mean to continue to do us harm…and we’ll have to put a stop to it sooner than later.
Muslims are in the process of conquering Europe and the UK. Muslims issue commands and dictates. Europe rushes to obey their new masters – Muslim immigrants.
The English Defence League are courageous, patriotic Brits who stand up against Islamic Sharia Law. They hold street demos with British and Israeli flags-to stand up for Israel. The EDL, along with Stop Islamisation of Europe, Geert Wilders and other brave people are standing up for the FREEDOM and human rights of ALL non-Muslims everywhere. Resistance to Islamisation is being punished. We won the war against Hitler and fascism only for Western leaders to embrace Islamofascism.
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org
Official Statement Regarding
The Arrest Of The EDL Leadership Team
On Saturday 20th February 2010 Members of the leadership team of the English Defence League were arrested as they traveled to Scotland to support the Scottish Defence League demonstration.
While in custody the team members homes and families homes were raided by police armed with automatic machine guns which terrified the leaderships family which included small children and other older family members. Computer equipment was seized during the 3 hour raid.
We need to get the message across that we will not be silenced by being bullied by the authorities and our struggle against muslim extremism will continue.
Persecuted in UK for speaking out against Muslim violence.
Can Britain Survive? America’s FUTURE?
A YouTube comment: No country’s citizens should be subjected to the disgusting brainwashing that the British have suffered at the hands of successive governments since WW11. …when we complained, they passed laws to prevent us from speaking out. It’s time for another Oliver Cromwell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvifqXkKHE&NR=1
’21.Abdul Kareema Wheat:We are reaching our breaking point here too in the US’
That is for sure. I guess european non-muslim women don’t mind muslim men undressing them with their eyes, not realizing that what these men really want to do is rape them. Are these women that naive or do they just not notice the hateful stares? Or maybe they don’t live in a small town like I do where running into them is unavoidable.
to borrow a speech from JFK..
ask not what islam can do for you… ask what you can do for islam.
to beat a dead horse here but ya’ll are gonna have to pick a team.
team America, or team Norway, team Islam is the opponent, got it?
Those of us in America should not be too smug. we are only a few steps behind Europe in allowing our own Islamization. Our electorate put into office a man who for all practical purposes is a Muslim. He bows to the Saudi king, covers Christian symbols when speaking at a Christian university, is the only “non-Muslim” (really!) to speak at the university in Cairo, Egypt, he apologizes for America, he extols the virtues of Islam and worries about only anti-muslim backlash when our troops were murdered by a Muslim.And what are we doing about it? How many demonstrations in support of Geert Wilders do we see? Where is the push to deport Muslims or at least stop their immigration? So lets not be too cocky here in the USA we are headed in the same direction.
One more thought. The Muslims have no incentive to do any self examination, they are winning. It is we, those who believe in freedom, who need to do some self-examination.
For example, there those among us who are endlessly saying “the Muslims must change, adapt, reform, assimilate”,or in some way accommodate us. The Muslims, however, have no intention of doing any of these things, especially as long as they are advancing their agenda. It is we who need to ask what WE are going to do when we finally accept that Islam will not change, reform, adapt, assimilate or anything else to accommodate us.