Surely one could read almost anything into much of this. — G Alston

Lots of people have. And lots of people do. And lots of people will. However, I remind you of the ‘lucky’ call Steve and I came up with in identifying the outbreak of GWI.

Furthermore, all the verses correlate well with Operations DESERT SHIED/DESERT STORM.

But, as an additional ‘kicker’. Consider the use of proper nouns. Not only with Chernobyl/Wormwood, but in the case of GWI, look at the ‘name of the angel’ who has charge over these ‘locust’.

Got a good atlas?

Get it out and look at the names of the cities near the mouth of the Euphrates. Notice any ‘similarity’?

One would think that the use of a proper noun would be a tad more than mere ‘coincidence’. Especially TWICE. In the military, using IPB, we refer to such ‘places’ as “Named Areas of Interest” (NAIs). If one of our intell pukes tells us a place name and advises us to keep an eye on it for a particular event, we pay close attention.

And if that event takes place at that NAI, we ‘get a clue’. And we react accordingly.

So that’s TWO NAIs and TWO events that took place at them in accordance to reports provided earlier: as in 2000 years, earlier.

Sooooo…..

…..what’s my point?

It’s later than most people care to think.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. How does ANY of this relate to the murder of Tiller?

Only in the sense that the perp is not, repeat NOT, a very good ‘christian’. Christians pay closer attention to that Old Book than the perp did…..

Personally, I think it’s some like a war: Rwanda, Balkins, Intifada, Global War on Terror, Gulf War II. But it could be some other disruptive event, a cometary impact along the lines described in Niven and Pournelle’s Lucifer’s Hammer.

Hard to say. I just keep a ‘weather-eye’ on what’s happening.

RE: This ‘Sucks’

Well….

….don’t feel like the Lone Ranger. Sometimes, the only way to recognize it is in retrospect. I admit that Steve and I got ‘lucky’ with our IPB estimate on the outbreak of GWI, 19 years ago. But ever since then, we’ve been keeping a close watch on what’s going on. And from my perspective, as I said earlier, “things just keep moving along”.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Don't you love it when a plan comes together?]

Best I can make out via the NIV is a description that sounds more like the appearance of the ships in the Independence Day movie than anything else. I suck at this. I admit it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=10&version=31

….we’re just a couple of ‘steps’, i.e., events, away from the proverbial ‘Last Trumpet’.

Doubt this?

Consider how well the last part of Rev 9 correlates with a First Century man’s description of GWI. And remember, it’s the SIXTH TRUMPET of SEVEN.

In between there are seven ‘thunders’. What do you think might qualify as a ‘thunder’?

However, for me reading revelations is a headache not unlike trying to ferret out the meaning of a nostradamus quatrain. — G Alston

What’s that old adage?

No pain….no gain…..

RE: The ‘Apache’ Dance

I’m missing the part preceding the locusts (and sure I can see where Apaches look like that) there’s a third of this and that getting wiped. Unless of course this too is purely metaphor. It’s hard to tell. — G Alston

Catching on to the AH-64 think? Good. Line for line, the description in that Old Book is what I’d expect of a man of the First Century trying to describe such to his contemporaries, i.e., in terms they might be able to understand.

As an example, having done a couple of tours in the 82d, we used a lot of helicopters in operations. And I have to admit, being in the midst of a battalion lift is like being in the middle of the Ben Hur chariot race, with all those rotor thrashing the air into ‘submission’.

As for the “third of this and that getting wiped”….

….we slaughtered a third of Hussein’s committed forces in GWI. As for the ‘metaphoric’, I wouldn’t put it past humanity to have had a third of itself mentally ‘slaughtered’. After all….

…..look how many people voted for Obama.

RE: A “Pleasant Diversion”

If for nothing else I thank you for the pleasant diversion. — G Alston

Glad to be of some use. However, I suspect that it’ll be more than merely that. After all, as I pointed out earlier, YOU learned something from the earlier engagement with David S. I’m sure others did as well.

And likewise, even more will learn from our engagement here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Events in prophecy are closer than they appear in your Bible.]

I can see your claim.

However, for me reading revelations is a headache not unlike trying to ferret out the meaning of a nostradamus quatrain. Surely one could read almost anything into much of this.

I’m missing the part preceding the locusts (and sure I can see where Apaches look like that) there’s a third of this and that getting wiped. Unless of course this too is purely metaphor. It’s hard to tell.

Anyway I’m ready for part deux.

It’s been so long since I’ve read or thought about these parts that it’s interesting again. If for nothing else I thank you for the pleasant diversion.

Afterwards, are you ready to cross swords again for the next round of conservative vs republican?

….what’s my ‘point’?

It’s certainly not only to you. As you admit you followed a ‘discussion’ between myself and another person and, as a result, learned something ‘useful’.

How you use that information is STRICTLY up to you.

I just put it out here in the hope that someone MIGHT find it ‘useful’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....but only those with eyes and/or ears to accept it will benefit.....]

No, but I can and will. It’s interesting. — G Alston

…you [and others] might even be able to ‘bet your life’ on the knowledge.

The more interesting correlation is how it flows into what happened four years later, as described in the next ‘chapter’ of that ‘book’.

RE: Chernobyl, Chapter/Verse

Chapter: Revelation 8
Verses: 10-11

Now think/sleep on it and tell me how a man of the First Century would describe to his contemporaries a runaway nuclear reactor. At a place called “Wormwood”. Please notice the use of the proper noun form as it is written there.

So…..

…..how do you think a man of the First Century would describe to his contemporaries a runaway nuclear reactor at a town names “Wormwood”?

And, please, don’t forget that the Soviet effort to cover-up the incident resulted in an ‘above-ground’ cement cover of the melted core. Meanwhile ALL the radioactive materials are seeping into the ground-water, which is slowly but surely making its way to the Black Sea. And from there into the Mediterranean.

We’re talking about ‘poisoning’ a LOT of ‘water’.

RE: Gulf War I (Part 1)

Chapter: Revelation 9
Versus: 1-11

THIS was the ‘telling’ part.

The day after Hussein invaded Kuwait, I was in for ‘duty’ with a comrade-in-arms of the Armor persuasion.

We were talking about the import of the invasion and how we thought US would respond.

At that time, I was a two-tour (enlisted and commissioned) ‘veteran’ of the 82d Airborne Division [Note: The proverbial ‘fire-house’ unit of the US Army.] I KNEW their ‘playbook’, front to back and backwards with various variations.

I’m infantry. My compatriot at this meeting was a tanker.

Between the two of us we put together a ‘possibility’, using Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield (IPB) techniques we’d learned from the US Army Command and General Staff College (Fort Leavenworth).

In that process we applied the techniques of “Named Areas of Interest” (NAI) and ‘time-frames’.

So, if you read Rev 9:1-11, you see reports of these VERY ODD ‘locust’ that don’t eat grass and bear a VERY strong resemblance to the Apache AH-64 attack helicopter, looking at them from the ‘understanding’ of a man of the First Century: look like a locust, arrayed for battle, crowns like gold, faces of men, hair like women, stink in their ‘tail’, etc., etc…..

Well…..

…based on my experiences with the 82d Airborne. And knowing they’d be the first unit deployed to respond to the invasion, I figured that they’d be in place in Saudi Arabia by mid-August, 1990, with their contingent of AH-64 Apaches.

My compatriot, a tanker-cum-attack helio driver, agreed.

So, in that section it talks about how these ‘locust’ torment men for five months and then this great war breaks out in the Euphrates River valley…..which runs though Iraq.

So……

……from mid-August, when the 82d Airborne has deployed to Saudi Arabia, with its AH-64 Apache attack helicopters…..

….what is “five months”?

You can use your fingers.

I’ll wait……

And you came up with WHAT?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Coincidence, n., When God works a miracle and doesn’t get the credit.]

P.S. More to follow, after you ingest THIS information…..

No, but I can and will. It’s interesting.

Chapter:verse please?

…..besides the translation of Chernobyl from Ukrainian to English resulting in “Wormwood”…..

….did you take the time to look up the reference in that Old Book?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The fulfillment of prophecy is proof of SOMETHING.....]