Comments on: The New Republic’s Willful Cover-Up http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:13:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pajamas Media » Anti-Gun Rant in The Daily Beast Ignores the Facts http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-239004 Pajamas Media » Anti-Gun Rant in The Daily Beast Ignores the Facts Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:22:59 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-239004 [...] Can we call him “Sir Beauchamp“? [...] [...] Can we call him “Sir Beauchamp“? [...]

]]> By: nick http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15580 nick Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:56:03 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15580 at least this site post my words on other site my post (same as on here) was taken down, so much for others wanting to know the truth. at least this site post my words

on other site my post (same as on here) was taken down, so much for others wanting to know the truth.

]]> By: Xanthippas http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15579 Xanthippas Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:28:39 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15579 <i>For all of his faults, including writing three stories published in The New Republic that contained inaccurate, un-fact-checked, or blatantly false information, sources who have recently interviewed the soldiers in his unit indicate that Beauchamp is attempting to atone to his fellow soldiers and reearn their respect. He has, as much as I think he can without setting himself up to be sued for fraud by TNR, done as much as he can to rectify the wrongs he's committed. His fellow soldiers and commanders are willing to give him a second chance. Perhaps we should, as well.</i> Oh, the magnanimity! Please...spare us. Perhaps Beauchamp will register your generous forgiveness (as you slander him again later in your piece) but the rest of us could give a rat's a@@. For all of his faults, including writing three stories published in The New Republic that contained inaccurate, un-fact-checked, or blatantly false information, sources who have recently interviewed the soldiers in his unit indicate that Beauchamp is attempting to atone to his fellow soldiers and reearn their respect. He has, as much as I think he can without setting himself up to be sued for fraud by TNR, done as much as he can to rectify the wrongs he’s committed. His fellow soldiers and commanders are willing to give him a second chance. Perhaps we should, as well.

Oh, the magnanimity!

Please…spare us. Perhaps Beauchamp will register your generous forgiveness (as you slander him again later in your piece) but the rest of us could give a rat’s a@@.

]]> By: megapotamus http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15578 megapotamus Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:55:55 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15578 A rousing "Aye" on the issue of second chances. STB was offered an out, even if it was DH, and he did not take it. Pending further revelations he should be allowed to proceed unmolested. TNR has a response on the Plank now, evasive and disingenuous doesn't begin to cover it but judging from the feedback, the readers of TNR are ignorant of many of the facts of the matter and maintain confidence in Foer et al. There is some talk of making him a media figure a la David Brock or some such. We shall see. But most importantly TNR claims to have corroboration from other GIs... off the record, natch. A rousing “Aye” on the issue of second chances. STB was offered an out, even if it was DH, and he did not take it. Pending further revelations he should be allowed to proceed unmolested. TNR has a response on the Plank now, evasive and disingenuous doesn’t begin to cover it but judging from the feedback, the readers of TNR are ignorant of many of the facts of the matter and maintain confidence in Foer et al. There is some talk of making him a media figure a la David Brock or some such. We shall see. But most importantly TNR claims to have corroboration from other GIs… off the record, natch.

]]> By: nick http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15577 nick Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:30:31 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15577 again you NEOCONS lie like you wer born to it 1 the ARMY did not let SB talk candidly to any reporter 2 there are not offical documents saying squat. DUH!!!!! again you NEOCONS lie like you wer born to it

1 the ARMY did not let SB talk candidly to any reporter

2 there are not offical documents
saying squat.

DUH!!!!!

]]> By: Fred Beloit http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15576 Fred Beloit Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:57:35 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15576 You know, don't you, that I saw Thom with my own eyes driving his 18-wheeler over field mice. Well, I may not have, but somewhere an 18-wheeler driver did something terribly wrong, so what is the big deal about my lying about Thom. It's the occurrence of evil that matters. You know, don’t you, that I saw Thom with my own eyes driving his 18-wheeler over field mice. Well, I may not have, but somewhere an 18-wheeler driver did something terribly wrong, so what is the big deal about my lying about Thom. It’s the occurrence of evil that matters.

]]> By: OmegaPaladin http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15575 OmegaPaladin Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:52:55 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15575 My points were separate. I wanted hear the source, and also argue against presuming soldiers are psychos based on individual incidents. STB claimed these were typical, and that was the slander. My points were separate. I wanted hear the source, and also argue against presuming soldiers are psychos based on individual incidents. STB claimed these were typical, and that was the slander.

]]> By: Mike G in Corvallis http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15574 Mike G in Corvallis Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:45:57 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15574 Thom wrote: "Would it be slanderous and/or libelous to say that members of the U.S. military, in a time of war, planned and carried out the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl? And killed her family members?" If it happened, not at all. The truth should be told and the perpetrators punished according to law. If it didn't happen, and the person who says that it did knows it didn't happen, then yes, it might very well be. Does this distinction, truth versus fiction, really elude you?, Thom wrote:

“Would it be slanderous and/or libelous to say that members of the U.S. military, in a time of war, planned and carried out the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl? And killed her family members?”

If it happened, not at all. The truth should be told and the perpetrators punished according to law.

If it didn’t happen, and the person who says that it did knows it didn’t happen, then yes, it might very well be.

Does this distinction, truth versus fiction, really elude you?,

]]> By: Carolynp http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15573 Carolynp Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:21:42 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15573 BTW: Bravo Mr. Owens. Excellent job. I've been scratching my head over the conflict I feel over reading leaked documents. If it's wrong, then it's wrong. Just that simple. Is it a set fact it must be a military leak? Were there civilian lawyers involved? Could it have been an insider leak at TNR? BTW: Bravo Mr. Owens. Excellent job. I’ve been scratching my head over the conflict I feel over reading leaked documents. If it’s wrong, then it’s wrong. Just that simple. Is it a set fact it must be a military leak? Were there civilian lawyers involved? Could it have been an insider leak at TNR?

]]> By: Carolynp http://pjmedia.com/blog/the_new_republics_willful_cove/#comment-15572 Carolynp Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:10:23 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-republics-willful-cover-up/#comment-15572 Thom: you are drawing a one point line. Omega is pointing out that you cannot say, because one group of soldiers was corrupt, they all are. I think many folks couldn't imagine how the things STB said could be true, ie: possible. I will not recite pages of information that is suspect in stb's writings. You can make up your own mind, but don't quote a single event and say "see, that proves it" because that is a logical fallacy. If the point to your post was, it's no big deal, so whether or not it was true doesn't matter. I think we can also disagree on whether or not dishonesty in favor of a preset dialogue is ethical. Thom: you are drawing a one point line. Omega is pointing out that you cannot say, because one group of soldiers was corrupt, they all are. I think many folks couldn’t imagine how the things STB said could be true, ie: possible. I will not recite pages of information that is suspect in stb’s writings. You can make up your own mind, but don’t quote a single event and say “see, that proves it” because that is a logical fallacy.
If the point to your post was, it’s no big deal, so whether or not it was true doesn’t matter. I think we can also disagree on whether or not dishonesty in favor of a preset dialogue is ethical.

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