The UK Allows Wilders To Speak
On October 16, Dutch MP Geert Wilders — well-known for his unadulterated opinions on Islamic ideology — was granted permission to speak in the UK at a press conference about what he termed the “Islamization of our societies.” Wilders has been under round-the-clock protection for the past five years after receiving many death threats over his provocative opinions. The controversial figure’s press conference was to take place on College Green opposite the Houses of Parliament, but it was hastily moved inside a nearby building when a crowd of Muslim protesters emerged. I was not surprised to see them bearing signs with sentiments such as “Freedom go to Hell” and “Islam is Superior.”
Many of the Muslim protesters found creative ways to get away with making death threats against Wilders while being interviewed by reporters for public television:
“He [Wilders] knows that the Islamic punishment [for insulting Mohammed] is capital punishment,” one Muslim protestor explained. “He would do well to take lessons from Theodore Van Gogh and others who faced the punishment.”
Theo Van Gogh, a filmmaker, was brutally murdered by an outraged Muslim on the streets of Amsterdam in broad daylight for the crime of making the short film Submission — a critical look at the treatment of women under Islam.
“If this were an Islamic state today, his [Wilders’] head would be on a stake,” another Muslim protester explained.
One protester — with the aid of a microphone and speakers — blared his message in front of the building containing Wilders, which was surrounded by a perimeter of police:
“Islam will conquer the UK. It will conquer Holland. It will conquer the world,” he declared, and had to pause to allow the mob surrounding him to cry chants of “Takbir!” and “Allahu Akbar!” before continuing. “We will see Israel destroyed. We will see the European crusaders destroyed, and we will see Islam dominate.”
Those who have been following the growing trend of the UK’s appeasement of Islamic radicals by allowing for the creation of Sharia banks and courts will understand the significance and positivity of allowing Wilders to speak inside the UK. Wilders was initially rebuffed in February when he was scheduled to screen his film Fitna — which focuses on the violence Muslims are urged to commit in the Koran and the actual violent acts they carry out — in the House of Lords. Indeed, Wilders himself hailed the event as a great moment for freedom of speech and thanked the UK for allowing him to express his viewpoint inside its borders. He was also very careful in explaining himself:
“I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture,” he explained to a full room of reporters, “because I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies, the less freedom that we get.”
“I have nothing against people, against individuals or groups,” he continued. “I am not extreme. I am not a racist.”
The instant Wilders finished his speech, the room erupted with a bombardment of questions from the reporters; only a handful were selected to speak. One questioned Wilders’ connecting the Koran to the September 11 attacks and Madrid bombings, as the Koran is a book written “hundreds and hundreds of years ago.”
“Some people will say it’s nonsense, it’s gibberish. You’re just an extreme racist,” the reporter concluded.
Unfortunately, the majority of the reporters’ questions followed in this vein, a disturbing testament to the ignorance of so many Britons about what is happening to their own culture from the inside out.
After the press conference, a Muslim protester outside the building expressed confusion to a reporter as to why Wilders would not emerge from the building to confront the angry Muslim mob. The protester also accused the “British government and the Dutch government and all these governments” of intentionally killing Muslims in Afghanistan.
“The message to him [Wilders] here today is to come out and face the Muslims,” the protestor said. “Come out for just two minutes and feel how the Islamic punishment should be on him.”
I don’t know about Wilders, but if there was an angry crowd outside my home chanting for my head to be put on a stake, I wouldn’t be in a real hurry to greet them.
“Some people will say it’s nonsense, it’s gibberish. You’re just an extreme racist,” the reporter concluded.
What race is mahoundianism, so that the critics of this primitive, anti-democratic, hypocritically homophobic, misogynistic, murderous, genocidal, child-molesting, slavery-promoting, science-rejecting; and, yes, racist political ideology masquerading as a religion can be labeled “racists” by those who disagree with them?
I’m certainly not a lawer, but surely an unbiased court would be able to convict these protestors for threatening a man’s life. Although they attempt to avoid making direct threats against him, there cannot be any reasonable doubt that they intend him physical harm. Freedom of expression cannot cover this blatent intimidation.
The passivity displayed by the British government and general society in the face of this threat is very alarming, especially after a successful suicide bombing. Other than a handful of small private organisations and a politically correct counter-terrorism strategy, virtually no effort has been made to challenge these radicals. It seemed that when Prime Minister Blair said that “the rules had changed” regarding Islamist radicals, what he really meant was that he couldn’t be bothered playing. No-go areas where sharia has become entrenched are expanding, while the authority of the state has diminished. If this surrender continues, the only choice British citizens will have left is whether they will support the British Taliban, or the neo-nazi’s of the BNP / English Defence League.
I really don’t know how so many Europeans and Americans can be so ignorant and naive when it comes to this relatively large portion of the population that seeks nothing more than violent power.
Public hysteria is not necessary but simple basic public awareness is. It’s easier to stop an external threat than it is to stop that same threat once it achieves internal access.
If Europeans and Americans don’t wise-up, radical Islam will no longer be an enemy at the gates, but will also be an enemy within. Just ask the Romans if it was easier to fight off the barbarians once they breached the walls of the city…
Although that may be difficult seeing as how the empire was ravaged and destroyed by a hostile group of people that wanted nothing but to plunder, rape and rule.
Welcome to the USA in a few years as these radical nut jobs gain further politial and financial power. The Saudi’s and other oil rich radicals come to the USA with a fairly obvious agenda to those people in the USA who have their heads out of their butts.
They buy off the lawyers,lobbyists, state departement, and congressmen in Washington with oil money, build mosques for the poor muslim communities throughout the USA, hire radical scum bags and get them into the USA as Imams and leaders of these mosques, intimidate USA citizens on airplanes when they engage in provacative behavior, and finally using our bill of rights and our free society and our kind hearted values, they build a jihand against us in our OWN LAND. Wow what a country?
If you disagree with the above you are STUPID. You want proof? Take a look at France, the UK, Holland, Italy and any country where you premit un-controlled immigration of muslims. It is pretty obvious that in the name of PC, europe is helpless to stop these people. Also understand that Europe is morally bankrupt, corrupt and easily bribed by oil money. The europeans have given up and they will now be dominated. Gert is one of the few men in the world who will stand up for western values and western culture. His own community of christians NOW want to silence his free speech rights!!!!
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The problem has gotten to be that there is no downside for being a savage. They still continue to draw their pogey and live off the efforts of the people they threaten.
One way tickets out of the country with a no return policy for these subhuman collections of protoplasm is an absolute need. Interestingly enough many are not returned because they might be harmed in their own countries where they do not dare express similar ideas.
I always wonder where are all the skinheads when they are needed…maybe be could send them a few motorcycle gentlemen or a few of the MS 13 crowd. That would be a win-win for us.
“…if there was an angry crowd outside my home chanting for my head to be put on a stake, I wouldn’t be in a real hurry to greet them”
I would have no problem, other than the constant need to reload.
The absurdity of the Politically Correct world is encompassed in this situation. The PC’ers allow the nation to be invaded by foreign nationals (who hate Britain and everything that it traditionally stands for) that express the avowed aim of destroying the country. They then impair the rights of persons who say “Hey, these guys are wrecking the country” while allowing the invaders to freely make death threats.
I cannot imagine a scenario that does not end with blood in the streets, either the BNP will win and purge the nation or the U.K. will become the first Islamic terrorist state in the E.U.
Geert Wilders is straining to tell Europe something it desperately needs to know. But the great majority of Europeans would rather continue to decay smoothly toward civilizational death than admit their mistakes. To avoid such admissions, it’s absolutely necessary that anyone who voices them must be vilified — and apparently, in that effort, there are no enemies.
Real convienient that citizens in England have no rights to firearms to protect themselves, dontcha think?These muslim buggers seem to be able to act with impunity, and the people are powerless- Oblammo’s plan for America? AS long as we have access to weapons, that kind of threat can be dealt with. Look sharp, people! Educate your family and friends. Our current gov’t. will not last forever, we must be ready to defend those we care about- but the trolls, not so much. . .
@8. RickGreenville,SC:
Good point, but don’t forget to stock up on all your supplies. Self-defense and independence is hard to swing at the last minute, keep plenty of food, water and ammo at hand.
Terrorist attack, natural disater or social breakdowns can be weathered if you are prepared.
Pity the poor Brits who can’t afford (or are denied access to)these things.
7. Francis W. Porretto:
So right you are, it is almost as if Wilders is the only one in the car that has noticed it is heading at top speed toward a cliff. The blindness of the EuroElites is unfathomable.
“If this were an Islamic state today, his [Wilders’] head would be on a stake,” another Muslim protester explained.
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Enough said? These people are still climbing down from the camels.
Don’t write off Britain yet. Their political parties are so bankrupt there is an opening for common sense conservatives at some point. The BNP ain’t it, their Nazi nostalgia always creeps up. The jihad is loud and aggressive but weak in the long run.
What the fanatics fail to understand is that the message will not die with Geert. His death would simply confirm the charges against Islam of being a violent, intolerant religion.
Destroy one Geert, one thousand will arise to take his place.
Hey, aren’t those rage-filled “head on a pike” boys members of a religion of peace? I would think that if you publicly threatened, or encouraged someone else to kill another person it would be counted as some sort of hate crime or assault? I guess it depends on who you are and your religion.
The idea of radical Islam is what needs to be attacked. We infidels can deride, belittle and mock the radical characteristics, but its difficult do do so without offending the ‘reformed’ or ‘moderate’ members that were much more common 60 years ago.
The radicals cut down the moderates in their religion by singling them out as apostate which is worse than infidel. The best hope for a permanent solution is to make the radicals anathema.
Culturally it means the media in Islamic countries runs strong propaganda against the radicals and the radical imams must be removed and replaced. This solution is known, but it would take an awful amount of will to enforce which is not currently present.
The problem with the UK has been coming on for years, it didn’t just happen. Read their papers online, watch what they do to murderers of children, for instance, (not much), watch how apparently unworried they are that they have these Islamic militants preaching hatred on a daily basis, and nothing is done. The rot has set in and unless something is done to reverse it, they will be done. This could also happen to us if we don’t wake up.
Perhaps anathema is a dangerous word to use. I mean it in the common literary sense of accursed, banished and derided. The alternate meaning of offered up/reserved for God is duplicitous.
I would be happy to face that Islamic mob from behind the sights of an M249. I believe that Europeans will be faced with that choice soon.
#15. Joe “This could also happen to us if we don’t wake up.”
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Not likely. Unlike England we have guns.
Many of the Muslim protesters found creative ways to get away with making death threats against Wilders while being interviewed by reporters for public television:
“He [Wilders] knows that the Islamic punishment [for insulting Mohammed] is capital punishment,” one Muslim protestor explained. “He would do well to take lessons from Theodore Van Gogh and others who faced the punishment.”
Theo Van Gogh, a filmmaker, was brutally murdered by an outraged Muslim on the streets of Amsterdam in broad daylight for the crime of making the short film Submission — a critical look at the treatment of women under Islam.
“If this were an Islamic state today, his [Wilders’] head would be on a stake,” another Muslim protester explained.
One protester — with the aid of a microphone and speakers — blared his message in front of the building containing Wilders, which was surrounded by a perimeter of police:
“Islam will conquer the UK. It will conquer Holland. It will conquer the world,” he declared, and had to pause to allow the mob surrounding him to cry chants of “Takbir!” and “Allahu Akbar!” before continuing. “We will see Israel destroyed. We will see the European crusaders destroyed, and we will see Islam dominate.”
You seem to think that only people who agree with your ugly sentiments are going to read this, apparently. Where do these quotes come from? Are they interviews you conducted? Are they your testimony from being present at the demonstrations? Are they from a publication you failed to cite? Is there a reason that there is not one identified person quoted –and thus no way to corroborate any of the statements?
This is why I read Bruce Bawer’s books.
17. BobN: Too bad so very few of those poor sods are armed, even the cops are nearly defenseless (if they were allowed to act).
“He [Wilders] knows that the Islamic punishment [for insulting Mohammed] is capital punishment,” one Muslim protestor explained. “He would do well to take lessons from Theodore Van Gogh and others who faced the punishment.”
This is even more frightening in light of the article I read previous to this: Islamic countries push a global “antidefamation” law (http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1027/p08s01-comv.html). The article discusses an idea being forwarded to the UN Human Rights Council by the Organization of the Islamic Council to sanction any language or speech Islamists consider offensive to their religion.
Freedom and liberty are riding the razor’s edge. We are all in great danger. The average person understands this–many of my acquaintances on the Right and the Left are wary of the intentions of Islam. But, our leaders in the government and in the media need to stand up to the multicultural, do-gooder impulse to welcome in the wolf at the door.
canuck:
The problem has gotten to be that there is no downside for being a savage. They still continue to draw their pogey and live off the efforts of the people they threaten.
One way tickets out of the country with a no return policy for these subhuman collections of protoplasm is an absolute need. Interestingly enough many are not returned because they might be harmed in their own countries where they do not dare express similar ideas.
I always wonder where are all the skinheads when they are needed…maybe be could send them a few motorcycle gentlemen or a few of the MS 13 crowd. That would be a win-win for us.
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What do skinheads have to do with anything? Unless you are operating off the misinformed media created image of what skinheads are you point fails miserably. What the media says a skinhead is and what a skinhead is are 2 different things. The majority of skinheads are not violent or racists. They exist across the globe and encompass every race. I’ve met many from muslim countries, asian countries and latin America.
I ask that you and every one else shed your ignorance and educate your self on facts, not media created lies made up to instill hype and fear. Learn what a bonehead is. Educate your self on S.H.A.R.P..
Whatever happened to the “Give me liberty or give me death” courage of the American people.
Crazy religion nut cases cry out when a cartoon is drawn of their false prophet, but not a peep when Islamic terrorists blow up innocent school children.
19 MOHO; You can see all you ask about on youtube.
Our brave fighting men and women put their lives on the line everyday to protect us from nut case religionist terrorists just so you have the right to think and speak your traitors cowardly garbage.
@19. Moho: – Where do these quotes come from? Are they interviews you conducted?
You are one thoroughly useless, lazy-assed troll.
I found that video in less than 15 seconds. Less time than it took you to post your pointless drivel.
The UK citizens should be terrified. But they’re not. They’ve been drugged into a stupor and are simply submitting, just as Islam demands.
Rabbi M. Kahane was correct about Islam and Muslims. Of course it was the left wing Jews in Israel and America that labeled Kahane a racist and terrorist that gave the Egyptian Muslim the courage to murder Kahane in cold blood.
Wilders and Moshe Feiglin are the two brightest lights in the civiized world that are leading the fight against the evils of the Koran and Islam. Unfortunately there is no one in America of significant political stature that is waging this war.
Even Palin is soft on Islam maintaining the false dichotomy position between so called moderate Islam and radical Islam. The only difference between the two is that radical Islam wants to blow up and kill all the infidels whereas moderate Islam seeks to turn all infidels into Dhiimmis through the use of Sharia law.
At the moment, it’s mostly talk and as you say goy UK citizens have been conditioned into submission so for now they’re just riding it out – but when the extremists push too far and actually try to enforce their decrees I suspect the skinheads, bovver boys, and the hard men of the East End will oppose them in the streets like they did with Oswald Mosley’s blackshirts in the 1930s. The UK might be in decline and being run by a bunch of nancy-boys but I wouldn’t write off the spirit of their populace just yet. And even if England succumbs, good luck imposing sharia in Scotland and Wales – especially Scotland (never argue with a Scot, for one thing you can’t understand a damn word they’re saying, and by the time you work it out they’re headbutting you).
In continental Europe though, I expect a return of fascism (under another name of course) and a blood letting of unholy proportions, when they let it get totally out of hand and the backlash arrives where the citizens demand an answer, any answer.
@28. ltw: – … when the extremists push too far and actually try to enforce their decrees I suspect the skinheads, bovver boys, and the hard men of the East End will oppose them in the streets like they did with Oswald Mosley’s blackshirts in the 1930s.
Well… but that’s the question, isn’t it. In a very real sense, proponents of sharia have already pushed too far and at the same time not far enough. That’s the insidious nature of conquest by passive invasion, where the conquest is waged by feckless politicians, not soldiers. We’re experiencing the same in the USA at the hands of socialism. Other than the loudmouth types depicted in the video above, there’s really no one to oppose in the streets. Whose heads are the East Enders going to crack – women wearing hijabs?
– The UK might be in decline and being run by a bunch of nancy-boys but I wouldn’t write off the spirit of their populace just yet.
Sorry, I hate to say it, but I was forced to write off that spirit when the British body politic limply allowed itself to be disarmed.
The leftist labout government allowed 3+ million 3rd world fundamentalist muslim immigrants into the UK to reshape voting districts and to create their “multicultural utopia”. Only to discover that muslims bring their own set of laws and government with them – namely barbaric oppressive sharia law – and that the last thing they want to do is to integrate into British society. Quite the opposite they want to take over Britain. They’re racist as hell attacking white native British people left and right on a daily basis and are creating “no go” zones for British authorities or non-muslim Btitons. Muslims do the the same thing whereever they spread to. Not to mention the huge terrorist threat the muslims brought with them. Now all the things the leftist British cherish will be destroyed by their own self-destructive marxist ideology.
Goy, if one wants to be taken seriously one cites their sources. No one takes you seriously, so this might be why you didn’t know that. No citations, bad journalism.
#19 Moho:
When in doubt, call the kafir a liar. Seems to be a popular strategy in radical Muslim circles these days.
This was all recorded on numerous different videos on numerous different sites. If you took the time to see for yourself instead of barging in here acting like you had something worthwhile to say, you might actually learn something. God forbid.
They may be nutjobs, but when the nutjobs make up a sizeable portion of the population, that’s the time to be worried.
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.…A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities … but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
Winston Churchill. The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-50.]
Aaron, LOL…are you saying that someone calling themselves a citizen journalist doesn’t have to cite their sources? Even if its a well known Youtube video, one links to it. I know the people here will believe jsut about anything that’s put before you in these venues, but why should I beleive anything this nimrod has to say, if he can’t even abide by the minimum rules of scholarship and journalism. You’re not my friend, and I distrust media. You should approach all of your writing in that way, unless your only goal is to get a few media illiterates to nod in agreement.
Where do these quotes come from? Are they interviews you conducted? Are they your testimony from being present at the demonstrations? Are they from a publication you failed to cite? Is there a reason that there is not one identified person quoted –and thus no way to corroborate any of the statements?
In fact, nothing in here calls you a liar. It notes, simply, that your methodology sucks.
@31. Moho: – … if one wants to be taken seriously one cites their sources.
Nice try, nimrod. He DID provide the source – the link is right there in the text, you stupid halfwit.
Next time try actually READING the article – including following the links – instead of just cutting and pasting from it.
Goy, sorry. Identifying the links you’re posting, by saying “here” is the most minimal step in citing sources. I hit the first four links,
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/16/uk.geert.wilders/
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/geert-wilders-barred-from-entering-britain/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_%28film_director%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submission_%28film%29
This is where the link is for the first comment and this is how it appears in the text:
One protester — with the aid of a microphone and speakers — blared his message in front of the building containing Wilders, which was surrounded by a perimeter of police:
No citation of where the video comes from, and what site is hosting it. I still don’t know, even after watching the video, who shot it and where it was shot. Every lame excuse you bring up reveals another layer of unprofessional writing. If you want to argue the specifics of the story, that’s one thing. The fact that its written like crap and without any serious intention of good sourcing is obvious.
@37. Moho: – … sorry.
You sure are. Keep posting. Every time you do it draws MORE attention to the fact that you never bothered to actually read the article in its entirety, let alone follow the links provided.
You really need to get a life, putzie.
1. Proud_Kafir7908: “What race is mahoundianism … this primitive, anti-democratic, hypocritically homophobic, misogynistic, murderous, genocidal, child-molesting, slavery-promoting, science-rejecting; and, yes, racist political ideology masquerading as a religion…?”
‘Pajamas Media appreciates your comments that abide by the following guidelines: ….
‘The clause regarding “hate speech” has been deleted because readers criticized it as being too loosely defined. We agreed.’
Oh, c’mon guys, it’s not always THAT hard to define….
Every time you do it draws MORE attention to the fact that you never bothered to actually read the article in its entirety, let alone follow the links provided.
You’re really this dumb after all.
@Moho:
Stop being a child. You can insult my methods all you want, and I couldn’t care less. The point here is not my journalism. It’s the topic of the article, as you questioned whether or not it actually happened.
Now, either watch the video, or don’t. I’m not going to spend time finding it and linking it for you if you don’t care enough to do it yourself. But have some self-respect and stop whining about the most piddling things. Surely you have something better to do than pick fights on a web site with people you don’t know about someone’s journalistic methods.
they are outside calling for his head to be placed on a pike. inside the multicultural media are disbelieving there is a problem.
Stop being a child. You can insult my methods all you want, and I couldn’t care less. The point here is not my journalism.
Of course that’s the point, you idiot. Not only are you writing about crap, your standards are crap. Linking with a hyperlink without actually indicating that you’re doing so in the text, and then describing the provenance of the link is the very minimum to be taken seriously. Then quoting from a link that you haven’t actually mentioned in the text, is the very thesis of bad writing. And you also didn’t source this quote:
“I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture,” he explained to a full room of reporters, “because I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies, the less freedom that we get.”
“I have nothing against people, against individuals or groups,” he continued. “I am not extreme. I am not a racist.”
nor this one:
“Some people will say it’s nonsense, it’s gibberish. You’re just an extreme racist,” the reporter concluded.
The point here is indeed, not your journalism. You’re about a thousand miles away from that. There’s no reason for anyone to take you seriously if you can’t be bothered to let people know you’re not just making things up. That’s one of the first things you learn in high school when writing a term paper. You seem to be upset that someone would point out to you that you’re writing sucks for several reason on your comments page. I would counter to you, that if you’re too sensitive to accept critique for both the content and its ham-handed and semi-literate presentation, then you should get rid of the comments page before you short out your laptop with tears.
The Arab-sympathizing Moho seems to be well in hand by other commenters here. I’ll not bother with him.
Mike at #27. You’re right about the late Rav Kahane, z”l, hy”d. But Mr. Feiglin does not have the stomach to be a leader. In the Likud primaries leading up to the Feb. 2009 elections in Israel, Mr. Feiglin managed to get spot #20 on the Likud list. This would have guaranteed him a seat in the Knesset. Netanyahu, who is nothing more than a mush-headed traitor who talks a good game, managed to maneuver Feiglin down to spot #36, virtually guaranteeing that he would not receive a seat in the Knesset.
Feiglin was unwilling to scrap and fight for what he had campaigned so hard for. He was unwilling to get in the dirt and go for the gonads in dealing with Netanyahu, who basically cheated Likudniks out of what they had voted for. He let Netanyahu walk all over him.
This is no leader.
The UK is a mess. Economically and Culturally and while the US might be an economic mess right now, if we don’t keep a very clear distinction between Church and State (the way the Brits have FAILED to do by inserting Sharia law, we will be doomed.
There is absolutely NO room for any religion in matters of laws that govern a society. Once that’s lost it’s open warfare on everyone’s freedoms.
What kind of imbecile coud not figure out that those death threats were NOT about anyone else BUT Wilders.
@Moho:
I’m not about to waste time arguing my journalistic capabilities with someone who’s incapable of plugging in a search to Youtube. If you really care this much about my journalism skills when you don’t even know me, then I guess I should feel flattered. Thank you =)
The point is this happened. There are dozens of videos proving it. I understand it may be difficult to run a Google search coming from whatever third-world education you’ve obviously recieved, but I’m a patient man. And fortunately your opinion doesn’t matter one iota to me.
Happy trolling, my friend. Ta-ta.
Last I heard, Wilders was running for office in Holland. Anyone know how he’s doing with that? Can’t really find any new info about it.
#47. Aaron, here is a website for newspapers world wide. Some are in English. There are several from the Netherlands.
http://www.ipl.org/div/news/
A convenient translator site for the others is Altavista. Try http://babelfish.yahoo.com/.
Hey!! This article doesn’t fit my PC worldview – let me attack you and how you got your information – (even though I secretly know it is readily available).
mmmmmmkay….
The point is this happened. There are dozens of videos proving it. I understand it may be difficult to run a Google search coming from whatever third-world education you’ve obviously recieved, but I’m a patient man.
This was especially hilarious coming from someone who doesn’t have the most minimal grasp about how to write a paper for peer review. You just don’t get it. Its not my job to search for your sources [laughing at this], its your job to provide them! I’d like to see how you’d handle such an argument made by a journalist at the New York Times–”if you can’t bother to google my unattributed quotes, then its you in the wrong”. My god, the stupidity. Its a good thing you’ve found your white-racist niche, otherwise your writing would never see the light of day.
@50. Moho: – This was especially hilarious coming from someone who doesn’t have the most minimal grasp about how to write a paper for peer review.
This is especially hilarious coming from someone incapable of writing a simple comment without the assistive aid of a straw man or other fallacy.
MOHO: Obviously you are a very sad and sick creature, all the negativity and outright insulting lies you spew forth are classic traits of an abused childhood. Your mama never gave you the love you needed, most likely your daddy unknown, you are angry at yourself because you have been an underachiever all your life. I will pray for you.
It continues to be hilarious. Because there is some dispute about the issues, one can argue one way or the other. But there’s no dispute about how shoddily this article was written, literally inviting people to assume that most of the quotes were fabrications. Again, for the thinking impaired–it doesn’t matter that they weren’t. The whole point of standards for reporting is convincing people that you’re at least, credible: that is, that someone actually said the things you say they did. There’s no argument that this article falls well short. The only reason we’re still talking about is that you all continue to posit that its ok to print quotes without noticeable citations. Unless you’re all saying that Pajamas Media, even as they point the finger at the rest of the media for being biased and unprofessional, is allowed to forego the most minimal standards of veracity.
Still laughing about it. You people are something else.
@53. Moho: – The only reason we’re still talking about is that you all continue to posit that its ok to print quotes without noticeable citations.
No, that’s just the pretense you keep using to whine about it.
No one but you seems to have had any problem finding and following the noticeable, linked citation, ‘ho.
Here’s a tip, nimrod: your browser can be configured to highlight hyperlinks. You can even pick the color!! Look it up in the manual, and quit blaming other people for your stupid mistakes. And next time, read BOTH pages of the article before you start your obtuse rants.
GOy, there was a lot of competition for dumbest poster, and even Aaron was catching up to you for a while, but you keep showing that you have no understanding of the issue. Its not the links, its saying what the links are and where they’re going. Anyone who doesn’t do that is asking to be called our for shoddy reporting. However, most people would expect someone like Aaron to be making up most of his quotes anyway, and wouldn’t even bother.
Here’s an example of a blogger who wants to be taken seriously, and, more importantly, has readers who only regard seriously people who follow basic rules of reporting [his hyperlinked text is bolded here]:
Judging from the few times I’ve appeared on that program, Ratigan seems to be making a conscious effort to expand the scope of political debates that take typically place on cable news shows — debates which are, with rare exception, painfully constricted and formulaic (see his monologue from a couple of weeks ago on Goldman Sachs as an example of the type of content one does not usually hear on such programs). Having substantive discussions in formats like this is inherently difficult — that, paradoxically, is one of the values of the format, for reasons Noam Chomsky best explained here — but I think, without knowing for certain, that Ratigan is attempting to conduct less constrained and conventional discussions. I don’t want to overstate the case — it’s more just a general and preliminary impression — but I think it’s worth watching for.
Just to show he consistently does this, there’s this:
I’m traveling still today, but I wanted to note an amazing Op-Ed that was referenced in a book I’m reading: the Op-Ed is by Nikolai Lanine, published in The Toronto Globe and Mail in November, 2006.
And the day before that:
Hoh’s resignation is remarkable because it entails the sort of career sacrifice in the name of principle that has been so rare over the last decade, but even more so because of the extraordinary four-page letter (.pdf) he wrote explaining his reasoning.
You can see all of this for yourself on the home page of his blog, I didn’t have to even look for it. The bare minimum for being considered a reporter and not a gossip or rumor monger [see Michael Ledeen] is clearly noting your sources.
Interestingly, Greenwald, the blogger, actually defended the right of free speech of people like Wilders in court. As always Goy, all you have is your flatulent rage, and as I said, I don’t feel sorry for you. I don’t mind coming here everyday to make you people look the hypocritical idiots you are. The ease of it creates quite a stress reliever. I especially thank you for that last part, for no one makes it easier than you.
@55. Moho: – … there was a lot of competition …
Maybe in one of your crack-induced fantasies.
Otherwise, you have churned out another straw man.
Sad.
Next time just read both pages, click the links if you’re genuinely curious *cough* and STFU when you don’t really have anything to say on topic.
How’s this: everybody ignore Moho; he’s not rational. There is no calling him on anything, and he has no shame. Don’t respond, no matter what he says.
Otherwise, this is a good and badly needed discussion, with a lot of information. That quote from Churchill was trenchant; thanks to Silence Do Good (33). Jus my view: Muslims who believe the Koran/hadith to be inerrant can never make good citizens of a Western nation, and our civilization is literally in danger. Reform is desperately needed, especially in the immigration policies of all Western nations.
Maybe things will have to get a lot worse before someone cleans up the mess. Heaven help us….
#24…..Don’t forget when you say “false prophet, you can also say “child rapist prophet.”
@ Aaron
Never argue with morons on the internet, they’ll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Its better to ignore the sock puppet trolls.
@Paul-Indiana: Thanks, this is a big help.
@Real Deal: I usually don’t sink to their level, but the seriousness with which Ho is addressing something so stupid was too much to resist. It’s out of my system now =)
@Benson: Agreed. That’s what I’m doing. Though it’s kind of sad that someone like Ho has this much time to devote to arguing about the most inane details on the internet and not even the article at hand. Good grief.
What really bothers me is that both London and the US have suffered attacks at the hand of Islamic radicals. And both countries are willingly allowing them to preach their hatred daily and build up Shariah communities. Did you guys see this story about the Denver imam killed in a shootout?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/uscrimeislam
They found a f*cking shooting range inside his mosque. A SHOOTING range inside a holy religious building.
The only reason we haven’t experienced 9/11 #2 is because Homeland Security is on top of their shit after the first one. Not because these monsters aren’t trying.