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		<title>By: thepilatesbiz.com</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-trouble-with-mary-robinson/#comment-2308447</link>
		<dc:creator>thepilatesbiz.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad news for the cons and the neo cons is that Brown supports health care reform and is Ã¢â‚¬Å“on boardÃ¢â‚¬Â with most of the national trend as far as many issues go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad news for the cons and the neo cons is that Brown supports health care reform and is Ã¢â‚¬Å“on boardÃ¢â‚¬Â with most of the national trend as far as many issues go.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noddy Robinson also walked out on her job as President of Ireland to take a job with the UN, insulting one of the highest offices in the land and the people that had voted for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noddy Robinson also walked out on her job as President of Ireland to take a job with the UN, insulting one of the highest offices in the land and the people that had voted for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuval Brandstetter MD</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-trouble-with-mary-robinson/#comment-373747</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuval Brandstetter MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following:
Hagai Elad
Executive Director, Association for Civil Rights in Israel

Dr. Dalia Dromi
Executive Director, Bimkom –Planners for Planning Rights

Jessica Montell
Executive Director, B’Tselem

Advocate Sari Bashi
Executive Director, Gisha – Legal Center for Freedom of Movement

Dalia Kerstein
Executive Director, Hamoked – Center for the Defense of the Individual

Hadas Ziv
Executive Director, Physicians for Human Rights – Israel

Yehudit Elkana
Founder and Board Member, Yesh Din – Volunteers for Human Rights


are essentially agents of the European Union, lavishly paid and entertained by antisemitic bodies and institutions to topple Israel from within. 
Their claim to represent Human rights is fraudulent. They represent exclusively the Arab &quot;right&quot; to destroy Jews, jewish life and Jewish property using all means available to Arabs, inclusive but not limited to drive-by shootings at jewish civilians and wholesale murder by bus and public-place bombings. 
So, quoting them as good-faith Jewish recommendation for Human Rights is the same as making lord Haw-Haw a good-faith British recommendation for Hitler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following:<br />
Hagai Elad<br />
Executive Director, Association for Civil Rights in Israel</p>
<p>Dr. Dalia Dromi<br />
Executive Director, Bimkom –Planners for Planning Rights</p>
<p>Jessica Montell<br />
Executive Director, B’Tselem</p>
<p>Advocate Sari Bashi<br />
Executive Director, Gisha – Legal Center for Freedom of Movement</p>
<p>Dalia Kerstein<br />
Executive Director, Hamoked – Center for the Defense of the Individual</p>
<p>Hadas Ziv<br />
Executive Director, Physicians for Human Rights – Israel</p>
<p>Yehudit Elkana<br />
Founder and Board Member, Yesh Din – Volunteers for Human Rights</p>
<p>are essentially agents of the European Union, lavishly paid and entertained by antisemitic bodies and institutions to topple Israel from within.<br />
Their claim to represent Human rights is fraudulent. They represent exclusively the Arab &#8220;right&#8221; to destroy Jews, jewish life and Jewish property using all means available to Arabs, inclusive but not limited to drive-by shootings at jewish civilians and wholesale murder by bus and public-place bombings.<br />
So, quoting them as good-faith Jewish recommendation for Human Rights is the same as making lord Haw-Haw a good-faith British recommendation for Hitler</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bernadiner</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-trouble-with-mary-robinson/#comment-372182</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bernadiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Robinson provided moral, political and judicial support for islamofascist organizations in Israel land of Palestine for many years. Her activity ignites anti-Semitism around the world leading to attacks on Israel and Israel retaliation, which resulted in deaths of thousands of innocent people including children on both sides of the ME conflict. She personally responsible for their deaths and must be put on trial. Mary Robinson deserves a death penalty for crimes she committed for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Robinson provided moral, political and judicial support for islamofascist organizations in Israel land of Palestine for many years. Her activity ignites anti-Semitism around the world leading to attacks on Israel and Israel retaliation, which resulted in deaths of thousands of innocent people including children on both sides of the ME conflict. She personally responsible for their deaths and must be put on trial. Mary Robinson deserves a death penalty for crimes she committed for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Orwell’s argument is so pertinent in this case.

Thank you Tim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Orwell’s argument is so pertinent in this case.</p>
<p>Thank you Tim.</p>
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		<title>By: T. O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, this sounds like a classic case of &quot;four legs good, two legs bad.&quot;

You might even want to take a look at the book that line comes from.

See ya buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, this sounds like a classic case of &#8220;four legs good, two legs bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>You might even want to take a look at the book that line comes from.</p>
<p>See ya buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Information bias is a type of cognitive bias. Information bias occurs due to people’s curiosity and confusion of goals when trying to choose a course of action.”


“since you have now provided quotations from your source,”
My source is the “UN Watch”, itself.

Hint: Imagine that you are a pawn.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Information bias is a type of cognitive bias. Information bias occurs due to people’s curiosity and confusion of goals when trying to choose a course of action.”</p>
<p>“since you have now provided quotations from your source,”<br />
My source is the “UN Watch”, itself.</p>
<p>Hint: Imagine that you are a pawn.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear T O’Connor, look in the brackets, please.

“Future seminars will deal with other specific groups against whom (intolerance) is directed in many parts of the world, notably Muslims and migrants
“Future seminars will deal with other specific groups against whom (bigotry) is directed in many parts of the world, notably Muslims and migrants

—groups which overlap, but each of which, sadly, encounters (prejudice) in its own right.
—groups which overlap, but each of which, sadly, encounters (bigotry) in its own right.

Yet (anti-Semitism) is certainly a good place to start because, throughout history, it has been a unique manifestation of hatred, intolerance and persecution.
Yet (bigotry) is certainly a good place to start because, throughout history, it has been a unique manifestation of hatred, intolerance and persecution.

(Anti-Semitism) has flourished even in communities where Jews have never lived, and it has been a harbinger of discrimination against others.
(Bigotry) has flourished even in communities where Jews have never lived, and it has been a harbinger of discrimination against others.

The rise of (anti-Semitism) anywhere is a threat to people everywhere. Thus, in fighting (anti-Semitism) we fight for the future of all humanity.”
The rise of (bigotry) anywhere is a threat to people everywhere. Thus, in fighting (bigotry) we fight for the future of all humanity”

“as long as the study (moved on) to encompass ALL forms of intolerance,”
“as long as the study (started) to encompass ALL forms of intolerance,”

“I do not see why (anti-Semitism) isn’t a perfectly good place to start an analysis of intolerance.”
“I do not see why (bigotry) isn’t a perfectly good place to start an analysis of intolerance.”

“The idea that the number of times the phrase “(anti-Semitism)” is repeated thereby disqualifies something from serious consideration is not the way I approach any kind of scholarship.”
“The idea that the number of times the phrase “(bigotry)” is repeated thereby disqualifies something from serious consideration is not the way I approach any kind of scholarship.”

“Perhaps if my friends focused solely on their story, to the exclusion of any other identity group or even to the detriment of other ethnic groups, I might look suspiciously on their general psychological health. But that ‘doesn’t seem to be implicated’(?) in the example you have provided.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear T O’Connor, look in the brackets, please.</p>
<p>“Future seminars will deal with other specific groups against whom (intolerance) is directed in many parts of the world, notably Muslims and migrants<br />
“Future seminars will deal with other specific groups against whom (bigotry) is directed in many parts of the world, notably Muslims and migrants</p>
<p>—groups which overlap, but each of which, sadly, encounters (prejudice) in its own right.<br />
—groups which overlap, but each of which, sadly, encounters (bigotry) in its own right.</p>
<p>Yet (anti-Semitism) is certainly a good place to start because, throughout history, it has been a unique manifestation of hatred, intolerance and persecution.<br />
Yet (bigotry) is certainly a good place to start because, throughout history, it has been a unique manifestation of hatred, intolerance and persecution.</p>
<p>(Anti-Semitism) has flourished even in communities where Jews have never lived, and it has been a harbinger of discrimination against others.<br />
(Bigotry) has flourished even in communities where Jews have never lived, and it has been a harbinger of discrimination against others.</p>
<p>The rise of (anti-Semitism) anywhere is a threat to people everywhere. Thus, in fighting (anti-Semitism) we fight for the future of all humanity.”<br />
The rise of (bigotry) anywhere is a threat to people everywhere. Thus, in fighting (bigotry) we fight for the future of all humanity”</p>
<p>“as long as the study (moved on) to encompass ALL forms of intolerance,”<br />
“as long as the study (started) to encompass ALL forms of intolerance,”</p>
<p>“I do not see why (anti-Semitism) isn’t a perfectly good place to start an analysis of intolerance.”<br />
“I do not see why (bigotry) isn’t a perfectly good place to start an analysis of intolerance.”</p>
<p>“The idea that the number of times the phrase “(anti-Semitism)” is repeated thereby disqualifies something from serious consideration is not the way I approach any kind of scholarship.”<br />
“The idea that the number of times the phrase “(bigotry)” is repeated thereby disqualifies something from serious consideration is not the way I approach any kind of scholarship.”</p>
<p>“Perhaps if my friends focused solely on their story, to the exclusion of any other identity group or even to the detriment of other ethnic groups, I might look suspiciously on their general psychological health. But that ‘doesn’t seem to be implicated’(?) in the example you have provided.”</p>
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		<title>By: Good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Gatto – Israel is communist? Israel is a pure democracy and has always been on the side of freedom against communism (western airplanes against Russians rings a bell?). America does not need Israel to be hated you fool. People hate the US because it’s a great democracy.
Israel violated Palestinian human rights since 1947? There were no Palestinians before 1967, you fool and no land was stolen from anyone: Israel won a war that was started by her enemies and the enemies lost. Never in history a losing aggressor got the lost territory back; otherwise we’ll be constantly fighting, since there is no consequence to losing a war. Yes, you can be labeled as an anti-Semite because you are spreading lies about Jews. Also, you say that “Israel is fighting with American technology against people with stones”: How about 8,000 rockets aimed and fired at civilians? How about thousands of Israeli civilians murdered by suicide bombers and other terrorists?
Mr. Gatto, you are right about one thing – the truth hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Gatto – Israel is communist? Israel is a pure democracy and has always been on the side of freedom against communism (western airplanes against Russians rings a bell?). America does not need Israel to be hated you fool. People hate the US because it’s a great democracy.<br />
Israel violated Palestinian human rights since 1947? There were no Palestinians before 1967, you fool and no land was stolen from anyone: Israel won a war that was started by her enemies and the enemies lost. Never in history a losing aggressor got the lost territory back; otherwise we’ll be constantly fighting, since there is no consequence to losing a war. Yes, you can be labeled as an anti-Semite because you are spreading lies about Jews. Also, you say that “Israel is fighting with American technology against people with stones”: How about 8,000 rockets aimed and fired at civilians? How about thousands of Israeli civilians murdered by suicide bombers and other terrorists?<br />
Mr. Gatto, you are right about one thing – the truth hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: T. O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, all I asked in my first sentence (immediately above) was that you provide some sort of an example in your argument, which taken alone is hardly a problem with MY &quot;research.&quot; I see that you agreed with me - at least tacitly - since you have now provided quotations from your source, just as I have done all along.

Your problem with my argument seems not to be with my research, as you claim, but with my interpretation of what my examples mean, which you also claim. The latter qualification is fair enough, especially in that you have refrained from any ad hominem comments. I appreciate that, as just about anyone does.

To answer the main thrust of your example, I do not see why anti-Semitism isn&#039;t a perfectly good place to start an analysis of intolerance. That might be where I&#039;d start too, as long as the study moved on to encompass ALL forms of intolerance, which from the quotation you&#039;ve provided promises that this study does too. I frankly don&#039;t see a problem, but if you do then I suggest you start your own study. The idea that the number of times the phrase &quot;anti-Semitism&quot; is repeated thereby disqualifies something from serious consideration is not the way I approach any kind of scholarship. I have some Native American friends who write extensively about there plight, their collective past and their future prospects. They have much to tell me about my own culture, but I do not dismiss them if they use repeat the phrase &quot;Native American&quot; overmuch! Of course they do, and of course anyone does who studies the usually sorry history of western expansion.

Perhaps if my friends focused solely on their story, to the exclusion of any other identity group or even to the detriment of other ethnic groups, I might look suspiciously on their general psychological health. But that doesn&#039;t seem to be implicated in the example you have provided. You must have some other criterion that remains hidden from view, and I think I might know what it is. It would save everyone a lot of time - especially yourself - if you were to become familiar with some of the &quot;post-Modern&quot; understandings of the concept of &quot;bias.&quot; Indeed, some of them are not so &quot;PoMo&quot; at all, having been visited and elaborated most of the great thinkers. (I gave a suggestion with Aristotle&#039;s &quot;phronesis&quot; above, which you can find in the Nichomachean Ethics.)

More recent examples spring from Edmund Burke, and our own John Adams. I am studying aspects of American Pragmatism and certain American poetics, such as Wallace Stevens for their various attitudes to betterment - individual and social - which refuse to abandon the concrete particulars of the circumstances and poetry of our lives and societies. In Whitehead&#039;s phrasing, &quot;the purpose of philosophy is to rationalize mysticism ... Philosophy is akin to poetry, and both of them seek to express that ultimate good sense which we term civilization.&quot;   

When I asked you above concerning the Iraq War’s “legitimacy” where it is that any legitimacy ultimately reside for you, I believed that I was asking the question of a mystic. 

If you believe that there is a place where any human can possibly stand that is outside of &quot;bias&quot; then I would say that you are this sort of mystic. And I would say that of anyone, and have, no matter what there political orientation. 

But consider how many of the wisest people have conducted themselves throughout history, by seeking the truth out of their immediate circumstances, and hoping for the best.

You seem to know, and know for everyone else I hasten to add, that we can stand outside of ourselves in the way that I think is an impossibility. And I suppose that you believe that there are a chosen few who can do just this, and who ought to be instructing the rest of us. To many of the people who visit PJM, those are the very types, nonsensical, idealistic mystics who usually cause the most trouble with their innovations and advanced fixes.

For an example that sticks to our subject (and I suppose that we can hazard mention of the Middle East, though I think that was a boorish thing of everyone to do on this thread) it was Mary Robinson&#039;s outfit (the UN) and even Mary Robinson&#039;s unrealistic thinking itself that got those poor, unarmed Irish peacekeepers beaten by Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2002. Who could have guessed that Hezbollah wouldn&#039;t go along with the internationalist&#039;s narrative that love is better than hate? I&#039;ll tell you who: an 80 year old farmer who lives down the road from me. He&#039;s a mystic too, to begin with anyway. Only he seeks to move away from his mysticism &quot;toward that ultimate good sense which we term civilization.&quot; Can you understand what I am saying? I really hope that you can, if only to understand that there are many good ways ways to be in the world, and so many ways to respect one another. I think that&#039;s something everyone could use to remember right now. 

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/irish-soldier-in-hospital-after-beating-308976.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, all I asked in my first sentence (immediately above) was that you provide some sort of an example in your argument, which taken alone is hardly a problem with MY &#8220;research.&#8221; I see that you agreed with me &#8211; at least tacitly &#8211; since you have now provided quotations from your source, just as I have done all along.</p>
<p>Your problem with my argument seems not to be with my research, as you claim, but with my interpretation of what my examples mean, which you also claim. The latter qualification is fair enough, especially in that you have refrained from any ad hominem comments. I appreciate that, as just about anyone does.</p>
<p>To answer the main thrust of your example, I do not see why anti-Semitism isn&#8217;t a perfectly good place to start an analysis of intolerance. That might be where I&#8217;d start too, as long as the study moved on to encompass ALL forms of intolerance, which from the quotation you&#8217;ve provided promises that this study does too. I frankly don&#8217;t see a problem, but if you do then I suggest you start your own study. The idea that the number of times the phrase &#8220;anti-Semitism&#8221; is repeated thereby disqualifies something from serious consideration is not the way I approach any kind of scholarship. I have some Native American friends who write extensively about there plight, their collective past and their future prospects. They have much to tell me about my own culture, but I do not dismiss them if they use repeat the phrase &#8220;Native American&#8221; overmuch! Of course they do, and of course anyone does who studies the usually sorry history of western expansion.</p>
<p>Perhaps if my friends focused solely on their story, to the exclusion of any other identity group or even to the detriment of other ethnic groups, I might look suspiciously on their general psychological health. But that doesn&#8217;t seem to be implicated in the example you have provided. You must have some other criterion that remains hidden from view, and I think I might know what it is. It would save everyone a lot of time &#8211; especially yourself &#8211; if you were to become familiar with some of the &#8220;post-Modern&#8221; understandings of the concept of &#8220;bias.&#8221; Indeed, some of them are not so &#8220;PoMo&#8221; at all, having been visited and elaborated most of the great thinkers. (I gave a suggestion with Aristotle&#8217;s &#8220;phronesis&#8221; above, which you can find in the Nichomachean Ethics.)</p>
<p>More recent examples spring from Edmund Burke, and our own John Adams. I am studying aspects of American Pragmatism and certain American poetics, such as Wallace Stevens for their various attitudes to betterment &#8211; individual and social &#8211; which refuse to abandon the concrete particulars of the circumstances and poetry of our lives and societies. In Whitehead&#8217;s phrasing, &#8220;the purpose of philosophy is to rationalize mysticism &#8230; Philosophy is akin to poetry, and both of them seek to express that ultimate good sense which we term civilization.&#8221;   </p>
<p>When I asked you above concerning the Iraq War’s “legitimacy” where it is that any legitimacy ultimately reside for you, I believed that I was asking the question of a mystic. </p>
<p>If you believe that there is a place where any human can possibly stand that is outside of &#8220;bias&#8221; then I would say that you are this sort of mystic. And I would say that of anyone, and have, no matter what there political orientation. </p>
<p>But consider how many of the wisest people have conducted themselves throughout history, by seeking the truth out of their immediate circumstances, and hoping for the best.</p>
<p>You seem to know, and know for everyone else I hasten to add, that we can stand outside of ourselves in the way that I think is an impossibility. And I suppose that you believe that there are a chosen few who can do just this, and who ought to be instructing the rest of us. To many of the people who visit PJM, those are the very types, nonsensical, idealistic mystics who usually cause the most trouble with their innovations and advanced fixes.</p>
<p>For an example that sticks to our subject (and I suppose that we can hazard mention of the Middle East, though I think that was a boorish thing of everyone to do on this thread) it was Mary Robinson&#8217;s outfit (the UN) and even Mary Robinson&#8217;s unrealistic thinking itself that got those poor, unarmed Irish peacekeepers beaten by Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2002. Who could have guessed that Hezbollah wouldn&#8217;t go along with the internationalist&#8217;s narrative that love is better than hate? I&#8217;ll tell you who: an 80 year old farmer who lives down the road from me. He&#8217;s a mystic too, to begin with anyway. Only he seeks to move away from his mysticism &#8220;toward that ultimate good sense which we term civilization.&#8221; Can you understand what I am saying? I really hope that you can, if only to understand that there are many good ways ways to be in the world, and so many ways to respect one another. I think that&#8217;s something everyone could use to remember right now. </p>
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