The Sue Me, Sue You LAPD Blues
In my most recent column, I described the exasperation felt by many front-line LAPD officers and detectives at having to work for superiors whose courage, intelligence, integrity, sobriety, or sanity is less than we might wish. But I neglected to inform readers that vexation within the ranks is hardly the only price that’s paid for poor leadership in the department. Sometimes it comes down to real dollars, lots and lots of them.
On May 8, the Los Angeles Times published a story on the multi-million-dollar jury awards some LAPD officers have received as the result of lawsuits based on claims of suffering at the hands of department managers. The story, by Times writer Joel Rubin, told of such cases as these:
Two motorcycle officers were awarded a total of $2 million after alleging their captain and other supervisors retaliated against them when they complained about illegal ticket quotas.
An officer was awarded nearly $4 million after a jury found he had been unjustly fired for having testified against the department in a labor dispute.
The city settled a case for $3.8 million with an officer who alleged he had been harassed and transferred to a less desirable assignment after he reported that a supervisor had used racial epithets and might have been involved in the embezzlement of department funds.
A female officer in the bomb-detection canine unit settled her case for $2.25 million after alleging sexual harassment by coworkers and supervisors. She further alleged retaliation by supervisors after she complained. Another officer in the same unit was awarded $3.6 million by a jury after alleging that he was retaliated against for coming to the female officer’s defense. (He later settled his case for $2.5 million and a promise from the city not to appeal.) Even more remarkable is the $750,000 judgment awarded to one of the accused officers’ supervisors after he himself sued, alleging that his own superiors retaliated against him for the way he handled the sexual harassment complaint.
Thus in this last case the city’s taxpayers will be splashing out lavishly to compensate not only the victim of sexual harassment but also one of the alleged perpetrators. Only through bad management, bad lawyering, or some combination of both can such an outcome occur. No one familiar with the way the LAPD and the city attorney’s office are run can be surprised by this.
The Times followed up on the news story with a May 11 editorial, imploring the LAPD to “get a handle on officer lawsuits.” “This city’s police officers appear to be abnormally litigious,” said the Times, “suing their department at rates far higher than their counterparts in other big cities.”
As I approach the end of my long career with the LAPD, what I find remarkable is not how often officers sue the department, but rather how seldom they do. I am not optimistic that things will change soon.
OK, I’ll bite. What was the obvious good solution?
Where is the police department’s union in all of this? Perhaps all of the LAPD officers will get the point that they should not be misbehaving on the job if more of them are layed off or fired because of these successful law suits? Just tell them that because so many of them are acting unprofessionally and because the city is losing so much money because of this, more of them will have to be let go. And the union won’t be able to say a thing about it because it can’t protest firing officers due to lack of funds. So if these same police officers want to keep their jobs, they should stop behaving in a way that allows some of their fellow officers to sue.
It isn’t the officers misbehaving; its the supervisors mis-supervising, coupled with a personnel policy which admits the hiring of immoral persons.
A rookie in 1955, my perspective is anecdotal; not the result of a scientific study, and it seems that greedy, irresponsible, lazy, amoral people were a distinct minority “back then”. People under 5-8 and 150 were not present at all. Now we have throngs of midgets and females, incapable of asserting the physical prowess necessary to walking a beat or patrolling solo. That is the fault of the City; not the Cops.
Ticket quotas:”I have no quota- I can write as many as I want.” Any patrol officer can write three or four movers a shift without even trying. If he does, he will pay for himself and then some.
Harrassment by superiors: Take it to the top, level by level. Justice will be done. But don’t come crying, “My mean old supervisor called ma a Whatever and my dainty, delicate little heart is forever broken!” Grow up. Respond in kind.
“I’m a Whatever? And so are you, and your mama too!” If the badmouth boss wants to report you, he must report himself, also. Somewhere up the line the harrassed Officer will meet a responsible boss and settle the issues without going to Court. I am not entitled to a million dollars just because some ignorant illegitimate calls me a “boopydoo” and criticizes my perfect performance . The II is entitled to prove his insane accusations in front of his boss; and his boss; and his boss- until we find a boss who sees it the way it really is. And will his bosses regard him kindly for ruining their days because of his emotionally disturbed flounderings? Maybe not.
But, where is Willy Parker when we need him?
“White Tiger” is posting too often and his comments are getting progressively weirder (The LAPD didn’t save anyone from “the Manson Gang,” btw).
But he has a point about short cops. Male and under six feet tall? You have no business being an officer of the law. Sorry. Just like the ride restrictions at Magic Mountain, those rules are there for a reason.
There’s nothing sadder than a short dude in a police officer’s uniform. I’m not saying you can’t make valuable contributions elsewhere in society. I’m just saying work out your issues elsewhere.
You obviously have no law enforcement experience. At 5’10″, I had no problem with any of the physical aspects of the job; neither did my 5’6″ partner. It ain’t the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.
A “good” LFO doesn’t need to fight.
I wonder if there is a correlation between the decreasing average height and the increasing reliance on taser and other weapons.
The cop in Oakland who shot the black kid dead, thinking he had his TASER was 230 pounds and more than 6 feet. Go figure. It’s not the size or weight, it’s the fact that most LEOs have given up on society and don’t want to risk anything anymore. Nothing.
well said Retired…well said
You are correct. My supervisor is a big time sufferer of Napoleon syndrome. The only way he knows how to supervise is to threaten those that report to him with discipline or to throw them under the bus. Thank God I am not working with him starting next DP.
Well, I’m 5’8″ and 180 lbs and can take care of my own. I placed first in the LA City Wresling Championships in my senior year of highschool. Granted if you’re not a well statured police officer, you might get messed with more so by a suspect. But there are a lot of shorter statured officers that can kick a suspect’s ass if need be because they have took it upon themselves to add to their arsenal of hand to hand combat (ie, mma, jiujitsu, taekwondo, and other hand to hand combat training. So size does not matter in this type of situation as long as you have the tools necessary to kick ass.
Perhaps one way of finding the true leaders in this dept is to change the pay scales and promotion structure.
1st pay ALL sworn the same amount of money from the Chief on down. That would save the city money and would weed out all those who promote for ONLY the money.
2nd allow a group of the officer’s peers a vote in that person’s promotion. Therefore eliminating those who “stepped over dead bodies” to climb the ladder.
The union is in bed with city management… they make deals… sometimes favorable to their clients and sometimes not so favorable…
No kidding Clark they did that on my OIS- or tried anyway!
That was the first question that popped into my mind, as well: Where is the author’s beloved union? The industrial unions I know solve these types of problems with management before they get to court.
Who sets the crtieria for promotion? (I’m guessing the same political climbers who are the problem.)
Any thinking civilian would assume felony arrests/convictions would be #1 – not ticket punching and brown-nosing.
Jack Dunphy, You are describing a direct effect of “The Blue Wall.” That would the practice of, allegedly “clean” police officers refusing to cooperate with an investigation of another officer, that the KNOW to be corrupt. Those running the organization value PERSONAL LOYALTY, which is not one of the attributes you listed, above all else. That is the nature of “The Blue Wall,” and the genesis of its corruption. You also describe what is true of all organizations, ‘All problems are CAUSED by management!’
In my experience, 42 years with five agencies, there is no such animal as the “Blue Wall”; at least in Southern California Law Enforcement. I reported and saw men discharged for use of excessive force, cowardice, insubordination and theft. Each of my agency changes was due to a promotional offer from an outside agency, and had no connection with testifying against a coward or a thief.Perhaps there was much of which I was unaware, but an Officer who conceals malfeasance thus aids and abets the transgressor and becomes his co-conspirator. Good men won’t do that.And bad men should not be Cops.
5 agencies?!!! what happened, couldn’t hold a job for “personal problems”? sorry for you.
Did you not read the part about offers from other agencies, promotional in nature? A lack of loyalty maybe, but not wrong as such.
You sound more like a Marine than any cops I’ve dealt with.
No blue wall? Where have you been, you must have been the “boy scout” in the squadroom with the wierd notes turning up on his locker.
Here on the East Coast cops are mostly union bums…
Free ride, with lifetime pay.
Their principal responsibility is Revenue Agent. Stand in the hot sun, and create cash-flow for the state. Hassle the taxpaying locals for easy mickey mouse b*ll$hit that provides the biggest Buck for the Bang…and avoid criminals at all costs
I’ve has six or seven $100 (now $150) tickets in the last 5 years for “missing” registration stickers….stickers we’re FORCED to apply to out licence plates, that get “tin-snipped” off by the REAL scumbags the cops never seem to hassle. Actual PROOF of registration with your STATE ISSUED paperwork in your glove compartment doesnt cut it in court.
Its a revenue scam, like seatbelts, and dropping the DUI threshhold to .08 from 1.0. Pretty much all they do.
Fluff. Make work. Revenue. Doughnuts.
The really succesful ones are 5 foot six, 300 pounds, and going to be Chief.
No, not *all* problems are caused by management. But it is true that bad management exacerbates problems, just as good management minimizes or avoids them.
One of my co-workers had a cartoon on the wall of his office the caption of which was “You can always spot the pioneers in an organization. They are the ones with the arrows in their back.” True in the private sector, true in the public sector.
All police agencies have the same issues, Same circus, different clowns! The Massachusetts Environmental Police are an exact mirror of what you describe.
The next time the Manson Gang bursts into your living room you can call Barnum and Bailey to send over one of their clowns, right?
The proper response to someone “bursting into your living room” is to shoot them dead.
I have a family history in law enforcement in LA county. My Grandfather’s brother was a District Attorney out there for multiple terms, and I knew a number of policeman at different ranks through the family.
I know, way back then, it was not perfect. But it was before political correctness sunk such deep roots in society.
I remember during the Watts riots (a long times family friend)detective Dick Davis was hospitalized coming to the aid of a black woman, being sexually assaulted by a group of black men. I believe there was an investigation over HIS use of excessive force during the altercation…which came to naught. But the way he was treated over it caused him to start counting the days to his retirement. And yes, he moved far, far away from LA when he retired.
It’s a shame. I haven’t lived out there in over 30 years (been in Georgia since the early 80′s). I actually considered going into law enforcement out there back in ’83. But it was my mothers dying request that I not do so…
There are good folks on the job there (unlike Clark county NV, which I have much less confidence in)…But like in the military, as the good folks get run off, the concentration of crappy personnel continues to rise, continuing the exit migration of the good personnel. It’s a vicious cycle.
Thank you for your articles…and thank you for your service.
The LAPD isn’t the only city agency that has this problem. The LAFD has it’s share of lawsuits, think of the Tenney Pierce case, in which Tenney Pierce got a settlement out of the city and so did the supervisors who were disciplined without a hearing. I believe they got 1.6 million. I blame most of these recent problems with the supervisory ranks on the Rule Three Whole Score that really infected the promotional process with a bunch of book smart candidates without any people skills.
Salaries are too high in LAPD.
If you lower it and make them earn every cent, then they’ll stop thinking about law suits, because they’re too busy trying to put food on the table.
Luxury begets law suits. How many (non-union) sanitation or janitorial employees sue? Zero.
I agree about the money, but for different reasons: the borderline psycho/socio type, gravitates to well paying high status positions. Since they are focussed on upward mobility, instead of the work itself, and since they tend to be pleasant people when it matters to them, the organization is soon choked with these types.
I have no idea how to prevent this, other than making the pay low, and the work at the upper regions really hard. But, face it, California and Los Angeles is loaded with these people.
Lower the salary? So how much is putting your life on the line for strangers at work who don’t care about you or your family worth? Should we get the same as someone who bags groceries at work?
six figures plus overtime, fair? dumbass!
Yeah, lower the salary…you, like the 180 day a year Union Bum TEACHERS, are vastly overpaid for what you actually do.
Spare me the “life on the line” hysterics..
Here is how you guys most often get killed.
Look it up:
1) Car accidents (operator error)
2) Suicide (operator error)
3) Heart Attack (doughnuts)
4) Losing your gun to an otherwise unarmed perp (operator error)
4) Your hot-shot PARTNER losing his gun to the same (operator error)
F.Y.I, Cabbies, bodeaga owners, electric lineman, coal miners, and oil rig workers have a much higher “on the job” death rate than cops. Its a statistical fact.
You guys are alot safer, much higher paid, and have better bennies …and youre an expenditure, a liability, not an asset to the economy. Whereas the jobs mentioned above are needed to PAY you to have yours.
So just S.T.F.U. greedy union bums, because we paying “customers” simply dont get our moneys worth from you.
Were just forced, at gunpoint, to pay.
Root your post was hilarious ! I like your humor !
I bet your Mother wishes she could have a do over with her birth control choice.
Even sweet Mary Grady is playing the game. She sent a weak, gay officer to work Skid Row–for being too gay.
@ “LGBT Alliance against Mary Grady” Ok, so he is gay, AND TRANSFERED to skid row “to work”—BFD! I walked a foot beat at 5th and Wall, and on Broadway (ON SKID ROW) back in the late 80′s. My classmate and foot beat partner was also gay-SO REALLY, WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE, UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO SHARE. So,I hope you have more to this…I see this as no biggie cause I did it and worked it. As I said, below, this isnt “West Hollywood it’s the LAPD” you work where your sent-period.
I am no fan of Mary and have some graffic words to discribe her which would totally violate the TOS, but I say “suck it up”. Yea we have some knuckle heads responding on this- but that’s why we have policy and they can do that in this venue. In my time I only had 1 clown say something to my face–he lost. When people crossed the lines, and they did- you pull that clown aside, and say “listen-you are violating policy, and that was an improper remark- say it again, and I walk into your C/O’s office with the tape…” YOU WATCH HOW FAST EVEN THE MOST “GRUFF” OL TIMER PUT’S HIS/HER tail between their legs and runs…coppers know they dont wanna be on the wrong end of one of these. Supervisors, well thats another matter.
Jack, you should do a reportage on the LAPD’s Women’s Baker to Vegas Run Team. They are a sight to behold.
You got it wrong, Jack.
The officers suing are mostly Sht Bags.
They are the same ones receiving Workman’s comp, while going on cruises.
Ah come on. Rest and relaxation are good for healing don’t you know…
You sir, are an idiot. The problem is when reports of wrong doing and illegal activities by a Captain is reported, ultimately it leaves the command staff to take action against another command staff member. They stick together, so that’s not going to happen. Until there is civilian oversight, nothing will change.
You are right about command staff covering for command staff. I remember 1 asst chief being stopped for DUI in his 80k sports car, what happened, nothing. I remember another capt called gas can who was seen with another woman (not his wife) at a hotel in the harbor gateway driving his take home car, report him, no way, I would have been cleaning toilets. Command covers command and screw the street cops.
YEA, those are just for “starters”…we have had some real winners. Yet, from my “prespective” down in the gutter seemed to me like “command staff” always took care of themesleves and the “code of silence” was alive and well above the rank of SGT-2.
From take-home cars being stolen out a DC driveway, to hotel junk…it always pissed me off to see how it was “no biggie”. Yet, let me look cross-eye at some North Hollywood Gypsie and I/A was all over me.
I could see why this is going on- it’s really the only option left–take their dumb a** to court. Look at FLSA! THEY SCREWED US FOR YEARS ON THAT! Then they had the balls to say “we didnt know were were violating labor law…” geezzzz
Try being Capt. or Commander for a day, you sniveling little dweeb!!!
Let’s see……create worthless audits all day…not that hard. Nitipick UOF reports and find fault in every officer. Shall I go on? OK commander…tell us what u do all day
no thanks….I know who my parents are and I have to look myself in the mirror. I decided long ago I never wanted to be like that..
Oh the life of a Command Staffer, is especially hard when your car gets stolen from 7-11 when you walk in and leaving it running with your duty weapon inside…you think that boneheaded action would raise a couple of flaggs? Or possibly lets go cruising long beach for prostitutes and oh yeah, get picked up by long beach PD, you think that would certainly raise a flag, especially if you’re that same guy from the previous sentence……NOPE, he’s a chief now. That is why there are lawsuits, because command staff is not the smartest, nor best in leadership….just the polically correct at the time, it has nothing to do with qualifications.
“Command Staffer” I would suck start my shotgun before I lowered myself to the dregs of a “Command Staffer”! You clowns couldn’t make a worthy decision if your pathetic life depended on it. You clowns sit in your offices doing ZERO, checking your Crackberries, incapable of making even the most basic of decisions. The operational IQ of a “Command Staffer” is lower than my shoe size. A bunch of bean counting, squinting REMF’s. Being a command staffer is like being the king of England…. You look and think your important, but in reality, you’re just an over paid turd. Most command Staffers and their little house mouse yes men/women haven’t done a God damn thing except hide inside for their entire career. I just as soon eat a bucket of broken glass and road salt than be a member of the “Command Staff”. Because If I were, that would mean that I completely sold out on the city and her citizens. Command Staff = CALLOW!!!!!!!!!
get rid of lapd (and lafd) and contract a private company to provide security and arrest powers (citizens can arrest you know). then have one gov’t entity oversee the whole enterprise.
you see in private enterprises, there’s no civil service job security, if you screw up you get fired.
there’s no TSA at San Francisco int’l airport, the people got sick and tired of them so they went private.
same can be done with lapd. bye bye, non-income generating liability leeches!!!
From and openly gay officer to Gay Timmy- your an idiot-period. Nuff said.
To Gay Timmy:
Your ignorance equals your perversion.
But what have you against TSA?
Don’t you get to be fondled by some handsome young guy?
An officer who writes 3 or 4 tickets daily more than pays for himself.
A detective who takes a serial killer specializing in homosexuals off the street may save YOUR life!
A beat Cop who suppresses violence simply by his presence may prevent some huggermugger from doing you in the parking lot.
Be grateful to your betters and try to stand up and walk straight. You can do it if you try.
all of the above can be privatized and regulated more closely. liabilities are fired quicker, look at the San Francisco airport private non-TSA screeners. they get all ghetto and they get fired. the ghetto TSA as LAX keep on being ghetto because they know they have civil service protection, like lapd officers.
GAY Timmy, so your City is so “hunky dorie” they brought in Retired LAPD commandstaff to clean up the mess…gotcha…I havent set foot in the stink hole city since 1995, and have no plans to ever go back. In fact, I wished I could have voted it out of the union when I lived in CA
white tiger, are a command staff lackie sent here to do their dirrrty work? good luck making capt., loser!
LAPD is a waste of money. It’s not just the top that’s dirty, it’s everyone. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I once saw an LAPD officer stop a 19 yr old neighbor in North Hills (my old neighborhood), he unchalantly grabbed her breasts while she was sitting in her car. She cried, we looked on in my window scared, then they left. And you guys wonder why people hate LAPD.
Fire them ALL!!!
Get yourself a video camera and carry it. Use it. Post it. The more people do that, the more things can be fixed. Proving allegations is a great way to fix things.
I don’t know why the public agrees with their pay. Police officers get waaay too much for what they actually do.
some supervisors have said they wouldn’t come anywhere near [a terrorist attack] if one were to occur.
Reminds of the thankfully-now-former Superintendent here in Chicago, ex-FBI agent Jody Weis. He was originally dubbed “J-Fed”. Then one night, he was at a crime scene speaking to media when gunfire broke out within earshot. (Yes, criminals in Chicago are that brazen.) Weis broke off the interview and departed in the opposite direction.
Ever since, he’s been known as “J-Fled“.
Jack, you’re missing the whole point of “coming anywhere near”. The point is all shops should have UPRs and re: Hazmat scenes, plastic trash bags as hazmat suits don’t really inspire the troops. Give them the proper equipment and training, and they’ll shine, Jack.
Jargon alert!!! What the heck is a “UPR”? Not all of us are familiar with internal police terminology. Have mercy on us poor civilians please.
It’s an assault rifle.
Mr. Jack Dunphy.
I ( Mario Nitrini ) was personally involved in The OJ Simpson Case.
To put it mildly, what a wild ride it has been.
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and Mr Dunphy. A Dr. Nomi Fredrick (The same Dr. Nomi Fredrick that was involved in the death of film producer Don Simpson) put a link together for me back in 2006 with some of my legal document’s in The OJ Simpson Case and Saga. Well, she must have taken them OFF trying to cover-up, and for WHO (S)??????…Many People…..Could it be for Paul Barresi, Cheryl Shuman, John Connolly, Bill Pavelic, Gloria Allred, Denise Brown, and others?
http://sinhablar.com/library/mgn3docs.pdf
No probelm for me. I got them saved………in several ways….
This is what I tried to do in November 2000 (Citizen’s Arrests)
http://www.box.net/public/0svlgofhx4
Please LAPD Chief Charlie Beck. How about me and you civily sitting down and working out a legally gentleman’s agreement. No hard feelings for me, and no hard feelings for you. How about it Chief Beck?
OJ Simpson has been denied again:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/05/oj-simpson-appeal-denied-prison/1
Actually, OJ Simpson has ONE way out of prison. He has to find his “Real Killers,” and the Barter……One major problem OJ Simpson has with that is that my ex-in-law Rocky Bateman (OJ’s regular Limo Driver for Approximately 8 to 10 months) got rid (UNLOADED) of that “Missing Bag” and other items for OJ.
And if you have friends working for The Feds Mr. Dunphy, please let them know, at this time I have no desire whatsoever in putting a “Legal Monkey Wrench” into their convictions in The Anthony Pellicano Federal Indictment Case and have the convictions overturned. At this time NONE WHATSOEVER……
MarioGeorgeNitrini111
mariogeorgenitrini111
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The OJ Simpson Case
The Anthony Pellicano Federal Indictment Case
The Biggie Smalls Federal Lawsuit Case
The Michael Jackson Cases and Saga
The Robert Blake Case
I have enjoyed watching Jack develop as a writer over the years. He has come a long way from where he was when he started. I admire his skills greatly. I wish I could write nearly as well. Yet it seems to me that he is working more on the mechanics of his writing than on the substance of his work. I can clearly see both bias and literary license. I am retired from a position with LAPD that provided me with first hand information and insight into many of the issues and incidents of which he has written. My view is that over time, Jack’s personal agenda has influenced his ability to truthfully and objectively tell a story. Pity. He is following a trend that is unbecoming his skill as a writer.
I don’t blame him, when you get passed over, you gotta vent. He tried to take solace in his union, and he got a lot of flak.
Now, he just wants to blame someone, anyone. I’m beginning to wonder if Jack Dunphy isn’t really African-American.
Methinks he’s a “pocho” (non-able-to-speak-Spanish Chicano) or one of VDH’s swarthy John Smiths with a naca-looking mama at home, or even an old-school Asian (intern camps, railroads, all that).
Wrong again, Jack. You’re on a roll, why don’t you stick to writing about crime trends and non-Whites invading California. You’re out of your lane. You’re shooting your own toes.
I like how Dunphy never seems to offer any solutions, but puts everyone on blasts whilst enjoying anonymity. A true blogger. Spineless D’bag.
Where’s your name F-stick? I love how these little bed wetters come on here and toss stones, but fail to sack up and toss their name on the post. What a complete tard!
Jack Dunphy is tell the story of quite a few real, hard working Police Officers, that actually work, but are being treated like ass by this department and the zero’s that are supervisors or in the “command staff”. Andy Cop/Supervisor who has a problem with the story outlined, is a do nothing Zero who is part of the problem. We have an over abundance of slaps for supervisors. No wonder the department and city is constantly getting sued, we have a bunch of circus clown running this place.
I read “Jack Dunphy’s” article with great interest! I am one of the City employees mentioned in the Times article by Joel Rubin. “Jack” is right on in his assessment. Very few officers WANT to sue the Department (of course there are some…I can name two!). That said, REAL police officers are, by nature, fighters. When backed into a corner by poor managers (read LAPD Command Staff)the only recourse left is to fight.
I’m in the final months of my career and sadly will leave the Department quite dis-illusioned. In my thirty-two years experience my primary disappointment has been the lack of true leadership at the Command level of this Department! I don’t see anything changing!!
Sue and get some extra retirement funds!!!
Blaine, I know what your saying. When I left, I didnt have your level of time on…but I was tired, and hurt. It really sucked..then going throught the whole medical pesnion BS made things worse.
the BEST THING I EVER DID WAS-get as far away as you can- it helps you get back to “normal.” I typcially do not read anything remotely related these days to LAPD–I belong to NO RETIRED GROUPS…I do chat with some folks but that’s not alot.
I moved on, and it has paid me back in “spades”…one ol timer told me “you can find life after LAPD” and he is right. A buddy just retired last month…he is not putting it all behing him…
if LOS ANGELES WAS TO BURN TO THE GOUND TONIGHT- I would’nt really care so long as none of my friends got hurt…and the hard drives at Police-Fire and pension were left unharmed.
Blaine, you’re right on!!! We get backed into a corner by the department and give the department and city every opportunity to do the right thing, but they cannot and leave some officers no choice but to sue. And until the city demands the pathetic command staff makes the corrections, the department will continue to suffer. And I love all the Old timers that toss out the “old school” card….. I call BS on those turds that use that card only when it suits them, but the moment it starts to look bad for them they run and hide like little cowards. I hope Joel Rubin continues his research and uncovers all these fraud LAPD supervisors! Name these fools in the articles!
Any officer want to hear what happens when you sue LAPD and LOSE?
hey jack how up to date are you on current events. i read a article in the last blue line under warning bells. it opened my eyes. have you read it yet? if so whhat do you think about it? you can google tony hyong im and look at the article written by gary igmunson by lappl if you no longer have the blue line. it has the story about a young cop who got demoted for going above and beyond. what advice do you have for this guy?
Next time, do a security/protective sweep of the apt./house, instead of just parking your lazy ass outside. You never know what’s inside. Plus, from an investigative point, you can find out a lot about a person from that person’s living quarters. Snooping and pooping is part of your job.
take the time and read the aricle before you pass judgement. i will then respect your comments more. know all the facts before you comment plz.
don’t be too curious where you can get in trouble or lose your job. the badge does not make cops above the law. read the article like i did and hopefully you see things differently
Why didn’t he and his boot check the apt.? Because he wanted to lie in wait for the susp outside the apt.? Guess what genius, the susp was already inside the apt., should’ve checked the apt. Big wow, just another screw up.
IN FACT WHAT ADVISE DOES ANY OF YOUR READERS HAD FOR THIS GUY? ONCE AGAIN GOOGLE (TONY HYONG IM) AND READ THE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY GARY IGMUNSON FROM LAPPL. I THINK EVERYONE WILL ENJOY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
get an American name.
THIS ARTICLE WILL OPEN EVERYONES EYES AND WILL PROVIDE INSIGHT ON THE DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First, 99% of the people leaving comments here have NO idea what they are talking about. This article is about how jacked up LAPD command staff is and 99% of these comments are way out in the weeds. Some of the contributors even think LAPD is some east coast blue collar, “city job” Fraternal Order of Police type department. It isn’t. LAPD is not really “unionized-” The LAPPL is just a professional association. Try going on strike! We can’t. I am still stuck in LAPD for a few more years and JAck is telling it the way it is. In LAPD you promote by jumping on board with a command staffer who makes you part of the club. You work for him, not the LAPD. Your loyalty is to him, not the LAPD. People who want to promote get out of police work ASAP because that is not a requirement for promotion. Every day you spend in police work is a wasted day for promotional purposes. Wannabe command staffers realize it doesn’t matter how good a cop you are if you want to promote, so they don’t even try to be good cops and work on kissing up to a command staffer in the hopes they will be promoted so they can serve him, just like a butler. They are smart enough to know police work doesn’t matter. Then you get a bunch of command staffers with lots of “butler” experience and lots of political back-stabbing experience. They never developed leadership skill and never had any to begin with. They are not decision makers. When climbers spend their token 3 or 4 months in the field when they make sergeant, they always call their boss first when it comes time to make a decision. Keep writing Jack, don’t let these retired guys or non-LAPD types tell you you are off key. I am in the locker room, roll call, and a B &W every day and you point of view is locked on. You have street credibility.
WELL SAID!!!!!!!!! You hit the nail on the head. 100% correct. That’s why I will probably be a D-1 for life.
Oh “still working” some of us know! Belive me I freaking know! I know how the department’s “offical policy” was “we hire gays and lesbians”…but the fact was-THEY DIDNT AND STALKED US WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS-WITH THE BLESSING OF THE DAMN COMMAND STAFF!
When I made a complaint against my CO in North Hollywood for “falsification of my ratings” and PROVIDED THE PROOF in the form of E-mails–he was sent to “risk managment” on an “Admin” transfer–two days after the turd arrives at risk management; I am placed on the “high risk” list and I am “profiled”. A year later I am set to BSS by this clown! Damn right I went to the Inspector Gen!
This has been going on since before 1991- read up on it in Chapter 9 of the Christopher Commission report. It’s been alive and well ever since and before that report!
One of your Deputy Chiefs was a “boot” Sgt-1 the night I was “outted” by a jilted partner and showed up to my home on a “911-DV” call. He was a “turd” then and he’s only a bigger one now- but that’s the way it seems to work within the LAPD.
I offer you this word, “watch your back- if you don’t do it nobody else will”. Do it “by the book” -TURN THAT DAMN IN CAR VIDEO ON AND USE IT! Know the damn policy as well as you know the CVC AND PENAL CODE- the job you save maybe your own! They are idiots and thats a simple fact of life-it won’t change anytime soon-so be ready for them!
Outstanding post! You hit it right in the 10 ring!!!
Right on!
Blaine, you got screwed by LAPD but before that you were not a good supervisor. I know first-hand. You should have stayed in metro. LEadership is not in your genes. And please don’t reply with the tiring “who is this! Don’t be a coward!” because you backstabbed lots of people during your years and you never owned up to it. Take the money and run and don’t cry about it. Good bye and good riddance. Go ride your horses.
Hollowood!,
I think you missed the whole point of Jack’s article. It was about retaliation and problems within the LAPD command staff. However, since you chose to make it personal I felt compelled to respond. First, I have to say I think you’re right. I should not have promoted to sergeant! I should have stayed in Metro. If I had stayed put, I wouldn’t have been exposed to so many weak individuals. My leadership “style” is NOT something LAPD command staff appreciates. I would have served THIS Department much more effectively if I had just stayed in Metro! My work ethic and leadership style were appreciated there.
You asked that I not respond with comments/questions about your identity. Sorry…can’t do that! You were able to identify me because I provided my NAME and enough background information. You go by hollowood! and hide behind your anonimity. Wow…that’s exactly the lack of courage I routinely see in our Department. Sad!!!
Thank you for the good wishes on my retirement! I do plan to go off into the sunset and ride my horses!
Blaine Blackstone (my true name…I’m NOT a coward)
To Blaine Blackstone:
Physically fit or not, leadership or not, you, Metro or not, Sir, you were an A-hole, plain and simple. You played the command staff agenda like their own personal flute player, yet you talk about sticking it to the man like you’re one of the guys. F you.
Real Sgts (Metro or not) lead by example. A real LAPD Sgt. doesn’t feel the need to ask and beg for movers or greenies and retaliate when they don’t get ‘em, they just conduct roll call and request that we as a watch backed each other in the streets. No need to play the numbers game dictated by the command staffers.
Yet you played, Sir. And many other Sgts played like the command staffers’ orchestra that they were pushing the command staff’s agenda.
Greenies or movers shouldn’t matter, as long as your coppers are out there stopping peds and vehicles and chasing the box, they are doing their jobs. No need to play the numbers game, just to play the numbers game, so you can promote. You’re one of them, A-hole get off your high horse.
I’m hiding behind a pseudonym much like Jack Dunphy’s reason, not out of cowardice but because I have 14 more yrs to go and a family to feed. I know you still have contacts that could put my ass in a world of hurt, cuz that’s how LAPD rolls.
Pretty much the cowardly response I expected!
Blaine,
Isn’t Metro the “elite division”. Aren’t you guys the “best of the best”. How come everyone else who leaves metro to promote goes back to metro. Why didn’t they take you back? It’s because you suck just like everyone else in Metro. You are bitter because you don’t have a take home car anymore. You probably went to your division spouting off about how you came from Metro. Hint, this means SHIT to anyone in patrol. We don’t give a rat’s ass that you came from Metro. Your shit does smell just so you know.
Ah ha! So “Current LAPD” we finally get to the bottom line, you’re one of those who applied to Metro and wasn’t (usually because of “issues” discovered during the background) selected! Got it. That explains a great deal.
This will be my last reply. This whole article started out as a discussion regarding retaliation and the LAPD command staff. You took it off in the wrong direction and I foolishly responded. You have nothing concrete/relevant to discuss. Enjoy dwelling on your petty jealousy!
If “good” cops love police work, and “command staffers” who just want to “promote” don’t, WHY are these “good” cops have their panties in a bunch when “command staffers” promote away from “police work”?
Shouldn’t you be happy that there’s more police work for all you hard charging “good cops” out there?
Answer: You “hard chargers” are butt hurt because you weren’t promoted. You want to be part of the club, but couldn’t. You’re the little engine that just couldn’t.
I’m sure the real cops out there are hookin’ and bookin’ and could care less whose getting promoted and why. Who wants a cubicle, when you got the streets of L.A., that’s how real cops roll. Bitching is for…
F you, F’ing homo!!!
AGAIN, ANOTHER “GLARRING EXAMPLE” of why we have policy, and “why” we have this topic before us…it really never vanishes…only the names, dates and “defendants names” change…
Been called worse by better 12yr P2…like I have NEVER BEEN CALLED THAT—lol
In one sense Real Cop you’re exactly right…you DON’T want that type of person in a patrol car with you. The problem with the way things work now is that these people get into positions where they make decisions impacting working cops. Those decisions often aren’t made with a working cop’s best interests in mind. That’s why the system should be changed and REAL cops promoted. Don’t get me wrong though…there are some REAL cops at the command level. I know several. Unfortunately these individuals are the minority and can’t change the culture.
Hang in there and remain a REAL cop! When your grand kids ask what you did as a police officer you’ll be able to look them in the eye when you answer!
“Throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims.”
Terry Hara is part of the High
Jack Dunphy is part of the Middle
Real Coppers is part of the Low (they just want to do police work)
Since my original post I see a few interesting comments and a name that reminded me of more than one case where there was a clear conspiracy between and among LAPD officers and supervisors–yes supervisors–to create work place situations resulting in litigation. And oh, yes. We’ve also seen married couples, both of whom are employees, who just happen to suffer the same type of work-place hardships resulting in litigation. Amazing how that happens. Jack, my friend, you really do need to do more research. You and I both know that in these matters there is the allegation, the defense, what happens in court, and then—–the truth.
Bitching without solution, is just that, bitching. Become the solution Jack, what would you fix. Offer realistic solutions.
First of all Jack, OUTSTANDING JOB OVER THE YEARS AND HURRY UP AND GET OUT….YOU CAN HAVE A GREAT LIFE OUTSIDE LAPD!!!
When I came on in 1984, being a gay officer well, we just didnt have them-the history is well doccumented. I was discovered while in Hollywood Vice back in 1988- to say it was tuff was an understatment. When my 1.81 hit, made by a jilted partner, the complaint was investigated. The Hollywood CO-Ron Batson, took the ethical “high ground” and made it clear, “handle this like anyother 1.81..” That took some real “balls” in those days. The point being…the LAPD is like any other facet of life-we have good and we have bad.
I ran into some hum-dingers in my time-possibly the worst, was “GOD SQUAD MEMBER”, Rick Walher of North Hollywood who “dogged” me for years, and left the department under less than favorable conditions.
This is not limited to LAPD- it’s within the City Attornys office also. I had a C/A “depose” me on a matter and she tried to order me to disclose the name and assigments of EVERY GAY OR LESBAIN OFFICER I KNEW-IN OR OUT OF THE “CLOSET”. I kinda looked back to the leadership Ron Batson displayed years prior and told her “screw you-I refuse”. After much debate and moaning, I just told her to “put me in jail”, “take a complaint” or “move on I refuse to answer that”…some rumblings came of this response but at the end of the day, good leadership prevailed.
I had plenty of chances to “sue” and could have done so and won. I guess, I always had faith in the good supervisors and the good managers to step up and do “they right thing”….for the most part, they did and I am pleased.
I can say I understand this problem and it needs to be put to rest once and for all…the 1991 “Chirstopher Commission” in Chapter 9 lays out these problems- it’s time to deal with them
Smith, only steers and queers in Texas, buddy, stay there and keep your mouth shut!
@ “Your Old AWC”, yep that’s what they say about the Lone Star State and last I checked I didnt have any horns. I find this whole matter intresting- but that’s about where it ends- seems to be “non-stop drama”….but at the end of the day, nobody cares outside Los Angeles-this has been going since before I got hired.
Yea, probably won’t be coming back to the ghetto or the state anytime soon….way, way, too pricy and I have this “thing” about paying tax money just so others can “free load” off the system or the state cannot live within a “budget”. How’s your fuel prices out west?? Paid 3.50 to fill up my new “HD”- couldnt afford that little item in Cali.
WC, like so many others within the dept, I could’nt get out CA fast enough when I retired. Like most retired guys, get ill at the idea of coming back-even to visit. In short, even after the city left me phsyically screwed up- I still got the better end of the deal-I dont have to work in that toliet anymore.
As long as youre still taking it up the ass, I guess all’s well that ends well. Don’t hurt yourself.
Ol WC, I see, well, it’s hard to bait me these days, attitudes like this are why we have “policy” with in the department, and why we have civil actions against AWC’s, Watch Commanders, CO’s and right up the line. Insults aisde, as long as we have managers who violate policy and the law,-no soultion is possible for this issue. I took a different road-apparently younger officers are not as “understanding” as I was- which is clearly their right in these matters.
Typical response from a W/C….99% of the W/C’s on this job know all kinds of things about taking it in the dumper! That’s how they become W/C’s in the first place, by licking boots, polishing balls and sucking the chrome off a trailer hitch…..huh W/C…. Back under the Captains desk you Slap, you missed a spot!
John,
North Hollywood misses you buddy. Enjoy your retirement. Hope to be retired very soon.
@NHWD, THANK YOU…those were some of the best times I ever had on the job….it was “the people” not the leadership that made NHWD the place to work for all those years…be safe and all my best to those now so assigned
Mary Grady sent one of your peeps to work bikes in Skid Row, John. Did you hear how much he got? I hope he joins you and your gay lover in that pretty little farm of yours and all those gay animals you got.
A gay officer working bikes in Skid Row, that’s the most f’ed up thing I can imagine, and I’m not gay. Even Ofcr. Joseph was shaking his head.
@ Big City…naaaa dont know the cat and dont know anything of his drama or problems…like it that way.
HOWEVER, if he did get a good pay check, and he did walk from the city….BY ALL MEANS COME TO TEXAS! No state income tax, low sales tax, very low property tax…California money will take you far in The Lone Star State.
It’s “conservative”…but as we see on this “backwards” people and “rednecks” can be found anywhere–even in the LAPD. I say to anyone, when you retire, look at Texas, OK, Tenn, Ark to retire—remember “it is all about the money”…
that’s no big deal shit I walked the 5th and Wall beat and LOVED IT! In fact, my classmate and I walked the 5th/wall beat and “Broadway Beat” for nearly 2 years-WE WERE BOTH GAY!! and we had a blast–in Fact, Jack Hoar was our AWC and we loved him and the work load. Pfffft…unless there is more to that transfer….tell the officer to “suck it up”…
Big City, I am totally out of those loops in Texas-THANK GOD! I don’t know any of these folks and I am greatful I don’t cause younger coppers are “problematic” in more ways than one.
I will say this about some of my “peeps”- they wear their sexual orientation on their sleeves- I tried to never do that. They really need to GROW UP-it’s the LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT-NOT FREAKING, “RAGE” IN WEST HOLLYWOOD!
I hade great role models, Nick Zingo, Chillie Vasquez in North Hollywood really helped me understand how do cope with this and being “different” in the work place. I learned alot from Chillie, Big O, Tommy Toutant, and others like Jack Hoar-who helped me develope into a good copper. I always got a fair shake with each of them-that’s all I wanted and that ALL people/ANYONE should get-NOTHING MORE.
I am aware of one person who did bring on a complaint by his own actions. Honestlty, I would have fired him- but that’s another matter for another day.
Suck it up? Like felching?
The homo’s already won a million from the city. I’m sure he’s sucking it all up in TX or SF.
I hope it is Texas….we could use that California cash to help grow our economy!
Don’t you have pictures in facebook and myspace in your LAPD blues, unbuttoned, sweaty and holding a snake? And another in uniform with a cowboy hat, opened shirt and straw in mouth? Did you ever work the ponies in Skid Row?
@ “why didnt” if you know the “history” of how it all happened and “came to be” back in the 90′s-I felt one horrible “example” of the GLBT community was enough- (MG) I had a life and wasn’t “desperate”. I also think we have some policy about “offical contact into off-duty relationship”—-
@ “Still Confuse” nope, only knew we had this person and nothing more. Could’nt even ID them in a 6 pack.
To be honest folks, if you read my remarks above, and know anything of me….I don’t march in “lock step” with the rest of the gay duckies and I never have….I have often been called “self loathing”, “redneck” and so on-OKKKKKKKKKKAY. Older officers, with lots of time tended to looked at me as “toruble maker”…well sucks to be them too.
I am sure some younger coppers on the job who NOW ENJOY our hard fought battles and victories, will have a sissy fit over my “WeHo: remark– but hey, I call it like I see it. Like I said, “it’s the LAPD NOT WEST HOLLYWOOD”-grow up!
Becuase of this, I fell out of “the loop” way back in the mid 90′s for the most part. I moved 1800 miles to Red-state Texas to escape it all.
Do you know the asian lesbian who was kicked out of the military for “Don’t ask Don’t tell”? She was an officer in the military, left the military and ended up in LAPD. I heard a lot of good things.
I’m OK with lesbians in the force (most of them kick ass), but most gays are just a little too flamy for me, John.
No I hear you, the really “Nelly” guys can make me a bit uncomfortable aswell, but I think it is more me than them.
Even in the “after LAPD life” I avoid these types like I avoid twisters.
In my case, as some of the older guys, we had to “blend in” more becuase of society, and the department “practices” back before say 1998..and certainly before 1991.
Now, the younger folks, are much more open about who they are and which side of town they tend to frequent. I use the term, “boy is so ‘on fire’ we need to put him out with a engine company..” NOW, I WOULD NOT go using that…and that’s JUST ME…but I do understand EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING about some guys which have “fem” personas–not someone I would wanna work 77th AM’s with for sure
UNK about Chupacabras….but if you even wanna hunt wild hogs this is the place….they are everywhere! no permits, not lic….bring your weapons and hunt away!
Did you know that black female ofcr who got a sex transplant and became a man.
Weird stuff, man. Weird.
READ THE ARTICLE MENTIONED BY TOP COP!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY GOOD ARTICLE!!!!!!!!! HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ofcrs Im and Fuentes did NOT do a protective sweep of her apartment. That’s the first thing you do in any DV, any DV. No excuse. Especially after she already told the ofcrs and det. that the suspect had already entered her apartment. The suspect posed a serious threat.
Why wasn’t a protective sweep done? NO excuse. no excuse.
read the article written by the league which states the facts before you comment. if you have time to comment, then you should take time to read the facts and states your comments based on the facts. not all incidents are handled exactly the same. knowledge known at the time mean anything to you?
Don’t you do protective sweeps in all your DV calls? DV call was basically a flag down, ofcrs take her to station, she spoke to primary ofcrs, who drove her home. Why didn’t they do a protective sweep? If the P-3 requested an emergency protective order, the judge would’ve ask if ofcrs were at scene w/ the victim. Common sense and gentlemanly protocol dictate that you alleviate a woman’s fears by doing a protective sweep of the home. Like a guard dog, not too much to ask right?
why didn’t the lieutenant who was in charge and gave approval for the officers to use a plain car get in trouble. several people were involved and only the p-3 got demoted. thought sh-t was suppose to roll downhill. the lieutenant was awarded by the city with the p-3 when they thought their actions were brave. why didn’t the lieutenant get demoted when the department found the actions out of policy. guess the commmand staff does protect their own after all. do i smell a scapegoat!!!!!!!!
Plain car, hybrid or black & wht, it wouldn’t have made any difference. Only thing that could’ve made a difference was a protective sweep of the victim’s apartment. Sgt and LTs can’t holding each coppers’ hand out there.
John,
My regular assigned partner is gay. I know I can’t complain against him being gay, but I want to complain about him being a safety risk. I think he’s into bad boy types, especially Hispanic gangsters (he’s male/wht). I think he’s flirting with them, but it’s really subtle. Every arrest, he’s the one who volunteers to search them. But I think there’s something going on, I just have no proof. My fear is that it is an officer safety issue. If I say something, I know he’ll make it an anti-gay thing. If I leave the partnership, the same. What can I do?
I will never condone keeping an officer who is a “safety risk” no matter who they are. three things on this:
1) know policy-what has he/she done that violates the policy. Per Policy you SHALL REPORT ALL MISCONDUCT
2) if this person is having impoper contancts with felons and people they contact on duty- that is a violation of policy-see #1
3) if you are in a car with in car video, make sure you note dates and times which are VIDEO TAPED with department systems-to protect you and the other person. If it’s on tape, it’s not “he siad-she said” crap.
The whole “on duty contact” thing is nothing new–hell, we had coppers who got fired for dating strippers out in OVB, so this shit happens. Your problem is, that it can be spun into a very “hot button topic”.
If it gets to then point it becomes a “distraction” between you and the other person, and you still dont have proof, then you have to make a tuff choice. I had a guy once, another P-3, he was dangerous, and a “person of color”– it got so damn bad, I asked to meet the Lt and AWC, in the “C/O’s” office…I was blunt and to the point. I made it clear it was not his “race” but the fact he was a dipshit. I was transfered off the car the next DP-I had to wait and lay low- but I got away from the person.
It sucks to be stuck in something like that- if going forward to the Lt and AWC isnt good for you- change of watch, change of car, anything just to get away from them. I know it sucks to have to do that but sometimes it’s your only option to stay out of the legal cross hairs.
I won’t mince words, “gay cops are human aswell and they can be just as screwed up as a st8 copper.” I have known a few in my time and I didnt wanna be around them either
@ John,
Were you ever qualified to take off your underwear during massage parlor stings when you worked vice?
I worked Hollywood PED/VICE in the late 80′s (I think btwn 86 and 89-there’s abouts)
Man, I never remeber that EVER BEING HOW ANY U/C operated AT ALL. In fact, I am sure the policy at the time prevented that type of operation by a UC.
I cannot even see the department now allowing that to take place for a number of reasons- I may be wrong– but man, to have a UC strip down to that level- whew! I see some real problems legally with that
@ Vice Roy, shit man, it’s “misd police work” nothing more…why go down that road as a UC…if a supervisor asked me to do it…I would look funny at them and probably say “you do it if you want the person to go to jail…” Naa, I am really open minded about alot of junk, but not stuff like that….nope…that’s a no brainer to me
“Two motorcycle officers were awarded a total of $2 million after alleging their captain and other supervisors retaliated against them when they complained about illegal ticket quotas”
man, that crap had been going on for years- these two guys have my respect on this one!! I tell you, I got bitched at more than once for not writting a “enough tickets” BUT YET MY FELONY ARREST AND CONVICTIONS were well above average…some of this other stuff I a reading above seems to be a mix of alot of various cases that got the “Pinko Times” attention and they spun it using some “hot button” topics–like they always do.
who ever these two guys are-GOOD JOB MOTORS!! THIS NEEDED TO BE DONE
John,
What’s your opinion of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s mistress looking like a she-male who works out at Venice on her days off. You ever worked Venice?
LOL, yea I worked PAC back in 1990, the year prior to Rodney King…LOL, I have two things to say about that
1) looking at the mug on that thing makes me THANK GOD I AM GAY…whew, I saw that and went “why…by a good hoe from Vegas!”
2) lady looks like a dude…and had his kid I guess..smart money is she was a “pitty bang”…sorry Jack… I couldnt help myself!!!
I left in 2008, “offically”….I had been getting word via “rumor control” we had some “trans-gender” people.
I have my opionions on them and they are my opinions-not policy. I am glad to be retired—-follow???
I am refering to “The Sperminator” with the below-not a memeber of the lapd:
1) looking at the mug on that thing makes me THANK GOD I AM GAY…whew, I saw that and went “why…by a good hoe from Vegas!”
2) lady looks like a dude…and had his kid I guess..smart money is she was a “pitty bang”…sorry Jack… I couldnt help myself!!!
So are there really Chupacabras in TX, John?
Just wild dogs.
nope but PLEASE COME HUNT OUR WILD HOGS…THEY ARE OUT OF CONTROL
@ John,
Did you watch Obama’s speech today? You think Israel will agree with 1967 borders? He wants to push for pre-1967 borders, but turns his back on gay marriage? WTF?!!!
Steve, I TRY NEVER TO WATCH ANYTHING HE SAYS…As for “gay marriage” man partner, you asked the wrong guy….I VOTED FOR PROP 8! My partner and I (of 16 years now- record for even str8 cops) ARE NOT MARRIED, WILL NOT EVER GET MARRIED, and it is a “non issue” for us.
As for “same sex marriage”…the GLBT community, on this issue, are idiots. I said Prop 8 would pass, from the start- I had reasons why too-mostly due to funding. I told the department once it did pass, you would have protests in the streets in a days and weeks afterwards…JUST LIKE WE HAD IN 1992 when AB101 WAS SHOT DOWN. We have legal papers which are by far better than “permit” issued by the state or church. I am not knocking anyones marriage…I am just saying…for us…it’s way over rated and WE won’t throw my support into a community that runs throught the streets acting like ass’s, running through police lines, jumping on cars, and disrupting church services-I cut all ties with the community the moment I saw that.
I vote my “wallet”…this current commander in chief is harmful to my wallet and bank account..
don’t you love each other and plan to have a family w/ young’uns running around?
we know of many “same-sex” couples with kids…as for us..
we know that a time will come in the future where we will need to assume care for not only a parent, and possibly a younger members of one of our families.
TX John,
Did you ever participate in Pride parades? If so, did you wear your uniform? Because I’ve noticed policemen and firefighters wearing their uniforms to these Pride parades, and it just sickens me. Not that I’m against your sexual choice, but it’s just too ‘YMCA’ to me, like they are using their uniforms as some sort of gay costume to get each other off. Sick.
Yes, the first time this took place was on June 21st 1991,…if you go up and read some of the “remarks” on this one “hot button” issue…you can see that deep rooted feelings still exist. Thank God, they are slowly being sent to the “margins” of society…even in Texas…which is a VERY “RED” STATE WHICH WE LEFT CALIFORNIA FOR.
To me that uniform was a sense of “pride”…like every other copper, I was one of the few who was “selected” to wear it. The Uniform of the LAPD, is one of the most “well know” anywhere in the USA…I am EXCETIONALLY PROUD OF IT. I am very proud of the fact that I worked with some of the best men and women in the state. Many of them remain my friends to this day.
As for “using their uniforms as some sort of gay costume to get each other off”…TRUE, “uniform queens” do “exist” within the “margins” of the gay community…my uniform was much more…
it was work clothing, a symbol of “public trust”…I could go on and on about what it means to me and the public I served.
Their is ABSOULTY NO DIFFERANCE between GLBT officers in unform at (gay pride) “CSW”…and African American officers walking down MLK in the Kingdom Day parade…no differance at all.
EVERY COMMUNITY HAS A RIGHT to see themselves being represented within goverment…the Police Department is the MOST VISABLE aspect of our goverment.
I understand what you are saying but that’s not that case for a gay officer who took an “oath of service”…you would be shocked at how many str8 guys have been the subject of complaints for “turning and on duty contact into an off duty relationship” or our picking up hoes on Sunset…
I’ve worked MLK Jr. parades and I’ve seen Pride parades on TV, the difference is they don’t have floats with oiled up muscular guys in leather thongs and leather hats holding and waving big black dildos in the air, John.
That’s a big difference. I can agree w/ black officers walking in MLK Jr. parades or Hispanics walking in Cesar Chavez parades, but when an LAPD officer walks along side some guy in thongs holding a big dildo, then there’s something wrong.
I agree, and I have not been in years….but, THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, YOUR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICALS, YOUR STATE ELECTED OFFICALS, AND EVEN SOME OF YOUR WASHINGTON FOLKS do not mind being seen next to that oiled up guy, or the dude in the thong with the big dildo…don’t figure huh…
I stopped going…I honestly did…last time I went “in uniform” was when Reirdon was mayor…and he was “stone cold 390!!” NO KIDDING!!!! I GOT PIC WITH HIM!!!
Don’t know what to say other than first, “dont go” and second “turn the station on your TV”….
Also, Culver, this is a reasonably “new” thing for Los Angeles…it really is…think about it 1991 was the “first time”…we didnt even walk with the Chief or Mayor…we were just present.
Los Angeles is more “conservative” than other urban areas…yet, this sort of things is “ol hat” in San Francisco, New York, Boston, and San Diego….it really is…
we started out with only 5 officers in 1991…damn I think we now have over 500+ from all over SoCal…CHP, LASD, and so on…this isnt just an LAPD deal…its across the board…even in my little Texas community we have a gay officer…so those who have “problems” with it…well, dont know what to say…it’s like anything else…it’s not going away…so, people need to kinda grow up of run the risk of being a “defendant”….its as simple as that
John:
Are you a fan of Southland (on TNT)? Because one of the characters is a homosexual, the Training Ofcr. Rumor says you were the inspiration for this character, any truth to this?
What the best film on homosexuals you can recommend? Milk or Brokeback Mountain or Tron?
Hollywood…uggggg….thats way off this topic
well, LA FOLKS, it is late in Texas and I have already “waisted” more time than I should on this…
I leave you with this one thought…go up and read some of the “posts” from some of these folks…”if” they are “cops” and if they are still “on the job”…we have not seen the last of these civil actions…attitudes like some people harbor usually “boil” to the top and someone gets ticked off and files a claim.
Its a sad deal for sure…but then again, that’s the LAPD and City of Los Angeles…reguardless of what “Your Ol WC” and others say, what I say, you need to use “good judgement” in all that you say and do while on the job.
I am retired.I made it out alive, with my “sanity” and now much better off than I ever was while “on the job”-this means “I won”…when you retire–nobody cares what you did, where you worked, or what you say…I am shocked that some asked me what they did…I tried to respond honestly…best of luck to you all…
this is probably the gayest comment thread ever!!!
well, it didnt start out this way and it was not my intent to make it into this. My point was simple…I have seen it…I felt the “sting” of managers who engaged in this…THIS HAS BEEN the “unoffical” way LAPD handles internal problems for a long-LONG time. It’s been doccumented in not only litigation, but in the Chistopher Commission and we have had several “Chiefs” but this problem remains alive and well.
I appoligize to Jack, I did not intend to “high-jack” his great artical…but unlike most coppers-I am not retired and can speak openly about the things I saw, and HAD TO DEAL WITH.
Poeple “liking me” or calling me names like “homo” is all amusing, but really is just one more example of why this “lawsuit’ business will remain a problem for the future.
It’s not just “GLBT” officers, it’s women-we all remember West LA. It was hispanics officers, and anyone who was not white, male, and hetro-sexual was usually targeted with a certain degree of blessing from upper command officer.
The motor coppers, man, they hit the nail on the head with that law suit! GREAT JOB! I only “scanned” some of the others, but seems to me like some within LAPD wanna try and take the department back to the 1950′s- got news for those folks-aint gonna happen-time to grow up or loose your home!
John,
I think gays are the solution to gang violence in LA. Look at downtown, Echo Park, Venice, etc. Where gays are beautifying their neighborhoods, gangs and drug dealing seem to disappear. That or they are driving the rent and property values up, and kicking out all the section 8s, let them all move to Palmdale or Chino Hills.
while off the topic, you certainly make a great point…even our HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE “Southern Baptist” nieghbors have commented that they “like what we have done to the place” in Texas…it really looks alot like anything you would see in LA.
We tend to do this when we settle into a community…we also tend to “hound” the community leaders into action to get stuff done in the community which “cleans” things up. When this happens everyone wins…property values go up and communities are a bit safer. If you look back to WeHo in then 80′s–it was a “dump”…now look at it…it’s hard to touch anything “reasonble” price wise in that community.
LOL, so maybe being a “bitchy queen” has value after all-who knew!
It’d be cool if Arnold married his mistress, then changed her name to Sarah Connor.
To Blaine Blackstone:
Physically fit or not, leadership or not, you, Metro or not, Sir, you were an A-hole, plain and simple. You played the command staff agenda like their own personal flute player, yet you talk about sticking it to the man like you’re one of the guys. F you.
Real Sgts (Metro or not) lead by example. A real LAPD Sgt. doesn’t feel the need to ask and beg for movers or greenies and retaliate when they don’t get ‘em, they just conduct roll call and request that we as a watch backed each other in the streets. No need to play the numbers game dictated by the command staffers.
Yet you played, Sir. And many other Sgts played like the command staffers’ orchestra that they were pushing the command staff’s agenda.
Greenies or movers shouldn’t matter, as long as your coppers are out there stopping peds and vehicles and chasing the box, they are doing their jobs. No need to play the numbers game, just to play the numbers game, so you can promote. You’re one of them, A-hole get off your high horse.
I’m hiding behind a pseudonym much like Jack Dunphy’s reason, not out of cowardice but because I have 14 more yrs to go and a family to feed. I know you still have contacts that could put my ass in a world of hurt, cuz that’s how LAPD rolls.
“Ofcr. ________, you only wrote 10 tickets this DP. Is there a reason for this?”, Capt. _________
“No particular reason, sir. I warned some and I wrote some up”, me
“When I worked patrol, I averaged 5 tickets a night. Get your act together, Ofcr. _________”, Capt. ________
Who knew I could’ve gotten rich off this short conversation, had I turned on my recorder in my pocket, “Hold on, sir, let me get this on record.”
that crap went on all the time—I mean all the time…Sgt-1, the AWC, The WC…it was all over. The “special box” we had to put in how many total “movers” we had…geezzz.
To me those two motor cops are freaking “stand up” guys for that capper—yea, I loved the line “LAPD-WE HAVE NO QUOTA”…that’s like saying “Los Angeles only has ‘alleged’ gangmembers…
Right, John! Those two Motor coppers’ lawyer should’ve gone for a class action suit. Every patrol officer has a personal story of movers (traffic tickets) and retaliations by Sergeants, Lt. and Capts.
You know what bugs me? There were actually plenty of Sergeants who knew this was all BS, but never stood up. It had to take a lawsuit.
In the military (especially Marines), the Senior NCOs role was to protect the troops from the BS that came from the officers (Capts, Majors, and above). Most LAPD Sergeants, just said things like, “Know your audience”, like we were suppose to just dance like monkeys because that was the music they were playing.
If Dunphy’s blaming the Command Staff, I blame the Sergeants and Lieutenants, they were suppose to shield us from the Captains and above.
yea, they went along with it…when King happened the city and FEDs went after EVERYONE….PEOPLE WERE MASS TRANSFER out of FTHL. It’s policy that when a law suit happens, a 1.28 is done for mistconduct…I wanna know where that 1.28 is??? where are the “days off”, “comment cards”, and “Notice to correct” for all those who went along with this BS? Long ago I was told, “WE DO IT THIS WAY BECUASE THAT’S THEY WAY WE ALWAYS DO IT”. The dept used this “line” for everything…then after King it was no longer acceptable…sounds to me like a whole lot of people who “played the game” and did not use good leadership skills should be taking a “hit” in the way of a “NTC” or some other “paper penaltiy”
Re: Transexual Sex Change Operations
John,
Did you know that if you were going thru the sex change process, you commit a felony, got sent to prison. By law, the state is suppose to continue your sex change operation while you’re in prison, using tax payers’ money?
That’s the CDC(R?) for you.
Lawsuit asks state to pay for inmate’s sex-change operation
Lyralisa Stevens says she is harassed and sexually assaulted by male prisoners, and needs surgery to be assigned to a women’s prison. State officials say they aren’t required to provide that level of care.
By Jack Dolan, Los Angeles Times
April 20, 2011
Reporting from Vacaville— Lyralisa Stevens, who was born male but lives as a female, is serving 50 years to life in a California prison for killing a San Bernardino County woman with a shotgun in a dispute over clothes.
Stevens is one of more than 300 inmates in the state prison system diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder, a psychiatric condition addressed in free society with hormone replacement therapy and, in some cases, sex reassignment surgery.
Prison officials have provided female hormones for Stevens since her incarceration in 2003. But now she is asking the 1st District Court of Appeal in San Francisco to require the state to pay for a sex-change operation.
dont know the “cost” and dont care–the tax payers of the state SHOULDNT BE SPENDING A PENNY ON THEM! Yet, in Calif they seem willing to pay for this for convicts…Oh well..not with my money they dont anymore
no I did not…but I suspect that is one of those “deals” it maybe on “the books” but it has become totally unenforceable….every state has junk like this on the books. Hell in Texas, you cannot use your “hands” to catch a fish…society it full of this junk
John & Jack,
What do you guys think of “Glee” and how it’s making gay teenagers “come out” in junior and senior high school? Because they are coming out, more harassments and bullying of gay teenagers are being reported. Isn’t it better to keep all this in a down low? Instead of strutting it around? This goes for Lady Gaga too.
Yup, keep it on the down low. Personally, I think we should round all of them up and send them to Texas.
The bottom line is that the LAPD sucks to work for right now! It just plain SUCKS! We have the 3rd weakest leadership ever. Only eclipsed by Parks and Williams. If I had just 6 more years, I’d be GONE!!!
Beck could demonstrably care no less and should just retire and go ride his motorcycles. Bring back McDonnell, because the rest of these boobs we have as Chiefs on the LAPD are a bunch of tools!
What about those female ofcrs in the Women’s Run Team?
Gay or straight, it doesn’t make a difference. LAPD continues to promote under a broken and arbitrary promotional system wherein sponsorship and the “right job” mean more than ability and leadership. West Point Leadership, SLI, and the like, mean nothing because the majority of the LAPD Command Staff fail to practice what they preach. The promotional system has removed any real measure of ones ability and skills to do the job that you were hired to do. Scored written exams and real life experience are removed so that guys like Charlie Beck can pick and choose who they promote. Look at any Lieutenant or Captain lists. How about outside raters and a meaningful selection process free from “whose adjutant or aide are you”….
r u talking about the Zaks?
Simply take a look at the last 5-6 Captains made and the last couple commanders, it’s obvious. In the event that a more qualified candidate scores higher than club members sponsees on the exam, the COP simply skips them and promotes who he wants anyway.
Call it what it is. Cronyism. A quick google search of that word describes the LAPD system perfectly, “partiality to long-standing friends, especially by appointing them to positions of authority, regardless of their qualifications”.
Keys to LAPD promotional success: Hide in the building. Kiss the right ass daily. Avoid the field and/or positions that expose you to getting hurt or personnel complaints. Get promoted, get out of the field as soon as possible, and repeat.
The DSM-IV-TR is a 943-page textbook published by the American Psychiatric Association that sells for $99. It sits on the shelves of psychiatry offices all over the world and lists every known mental disorder. There are currently 374 known mental disorders.
I bought the book soon after I’d returned from my coffee with Deborah and leafed through it, searching for disorders that might compel the sufferer to try to achieve a position of power and influence over others.
Surprisingly, this being such a vast book packed with so many disorders, including esoteric ones like Frotteurism (“rubbing against a non-consenting person in a public transportation vehicle while usually fantasizing an ex clusive, caring relationship with the victim, most acts of frottage occur when the person is aged 12–15, after which there is a grad ual decline in frequency”), there was nothing at all in there about psychopaths.
Maybe there had been some backstage schism in the psychopath-defining world? The closest I could find was Narcis sistic Personality Disorder, sufferers of which have “a grandiose sense of self-importance and entitlement,” are “preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success,” are “exploitative,”"lack empathy,” and require “excessive admiration,” and Antisocial Personality Disorder, which compels sufferers to be “frequently deceitful and manipulative in order to gain personal profit or pleasure (e.g., to obtain money, sex or power).”
“I could really be on to something,” I thought. “It really could be that many of our political and business leaders suffer from Antisocial or Narcissistic Personality Disorder and they do the harmful, exploitative things they do because of some mad striving for unlimited success and excessive admiration. Their mental dis orders might be what rule our lives. This could be a really big story for me if I can think of a way to somehow prove it.”
You nailed it!
YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A GOOD COP TO BE A GOOD MANAGER.
You are right. But with few exceptions, they are neither good cops nor good managers.
LT Select…are you a manager or a leader? or neither…
I AM JUST TRYING TO GET MY THREE KIDS TO COLLEGE, PAY OFF MY HOUSE AND RETIRE WITH AT LEAST $100,000K/MONTH. WHETHER I’M A GOOD LEADER OR MANAGER, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THOSE WHO WORK FOR ME. AS LONG AS NO ONE GETS IN THE WAY OF MY THREE GOALS, I CAN BE NEITHER OR BOTH–DOESN’T REALLY MATTER, WHAT MATTERS IS THE FIRST SENTENCE ABOVE.
You’re a complete stain, and a chicken shit little turd! I hate tools like this, and feel for his poor kids who have such a weak, pathetic and callow empty suit as a Dad. Next time you’re licking your Captains “boots” just know that every single subordinate you have, has prima facia evidence that you are a complete and utter stain! This guys kids are going to end up on the same meds his wife is taking to be able to stomach him on a daily basis.
It’s guys like this slap that are the major problem with this police department. Notice that this complete failure of a law enforcement “professional”, refers to him/her-self as a “manager”, and not a “leader”. It also is by design, because the only thing this turd could lead is the rest of the like minded turds down the sewage system pipes from the toilet. What a putz. Licking boots aint a trait worth boasting about there sonny-boy.
And what have you done, Ed?
You remind me of IA Raffish. That prick.
just another LT…… My resume, which is long and accomplished stands by itself…. Yours, needs a paperweight. But nice try, you feeble insignificant REMF.
And yet you’re the one bitchin’ like a little girl, ED.
L.T.= Lame Turd…. Typically
LT select……You are an F-ing stain!
Spoken like a true LAPD captain.
Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked reversal from just a year ago when an equal majority opposed same-sex matrimony.
The latest Gallup findings are in line with two earlier national polls this spring that show support for legally recognized gay marriage has, in recent months, gained a newfound majority among Americans.
Gallup said Democrats and political independents accounted for the entire shift in its survey compared to last year, when only 44 percent of all respondents favored gay marriage, while 53 percent were opposed. The percentage of Republicans favoring same-sex matrimony held steady at 28 percent.
You all are just a bunch of player haterz, no pun intended. Study for the test and interview, get the right background, investigative and managerial, and maybe you too can promote. But don’t go on here and bitch and whine, just promote. You promote and see how easy it is to bitch and whine. I beg you, promote. Please promote.
ok, I’ll promote, but can you also give me your contacts, the people you know in high places? I’ll need that to promote.
@ Sgt. 14,
My contacts in the Dept. represent my career. My contacts, both by design and luck, showcase my strategic outlook as well as my people skills which are both traits necessary to becoming a good manager.
My suggestion is for you to cultivate your own contacts, work the right units, both field and inside. Have a plan, instead of just going on cruises and buying expensive cars. Don’t hate us for our success, promote.
SGT 14, LET ME TRANSLATE FOR NEWLT:
DRINK THE KOOL AID. WORK THE BUILDING TO MAKE CONTACTS WHILE WORKING THE ‘RIGHT’ ASSIGNMENTS. PROMOTE. THEN ESPOUSE YOUR MANAGEMENT PROWESS TO EVERYONE WHO WILL LISTEN AND CONVINCE YOURSELF THAT YOUR SUBORDINATES LIKE AND RESPECT YOU.
AND APPARENTLY, YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE 100,000 A MONTH LIKE LT SELECT.
Biggie: Don’t hate da playa; Hate da Game
NewLT…. Spoken like a true demographic imperative!
You forgot the primary way you got promoted you clown….licking boots and two other leather items located a little further north of the knees, at the base of a post.
you mean labias, flapping virtical lips?
No that’s not what I meant. But, hey if you’re on the LAPD womens “half court” basketball team, let it be so!
“Sgt 14, New LT, Speak like a LT, and SGT Honestly”…..there are absolute nuggets of truth in what you wrote.
The LAPD doesn’t hire the best people, plain and simple. We try, but the personnel system is designed for people to compete with each other if they are of the same personnel classification (white Males compete against white Males, black Females compete against black Females…etc.) This excludes great people from each personnel classification – simply put.
As careers progress the pool of “qualified” applicants decreases signficantly. DOES ANYONE BELIEVE THIS DOESN’T CARRY OVER INTO SELECTION FOR DETECTIVE, SERGEANT, LIEUTENANTS AND ABOVE? It does and it will continue. Numbers of this group, numbers of that group will be promoted and there is hyper-scrutiny to the numbers of certain racial groups, ethnic groups, and/or sexual orientation…period. The numbers will be met or exceeded especially if that group is a protected class.
Our organization’s collective fate is that of every other large government bureaucracy with court decrees, litigation, and yes – quotas. The above numbers and breakdowns are the crucial engine behind who gets promoted and they are disguised and inexplicably misnamed as affirmative action “goals” or diversity numbers. Nothing can or will be done because the LAPD is not about excellence – it’s about diversity, being politically correct, and keeping a lid on violent crime.
Diversity is not the reason LAPD has to pay out millions in lawsuits. Hiring and promoting unqualified or substandard officers is the reason (yes White Males, also). This certainly doesn’t benefit the city treasury when some poor deputy city attorney is looking at what a Commanding Officer wrongfully said and likely directed against a protected class Female or Alternate life style person. Like a blogger said before me, you don’t have to be a good cop or a good leader to promote.
Arrogance, political correctness, bureaucratic requirements, decrees, and lack of leadership are the reasons the LAPD lottery will continue and there is nothing anyone can do about it except pay baby, pay!
Yes, and we can all blame Hussein Obama for this.
Ed O’Shea’s just mad he never made it far in his career. Sour puss. Nothing to show for his time in. So Sad.
Look another “command staffer” or command staff wannabe, feebly attempting to wax intellectual while speaking about the wonders of soliciting a prostitute in a massage parlor (proper spelling.) What a shock. It must be difficult posting a zinger while you kneel under Earls desk.
That’s British spelling, Ed, obviously you never studied in England. Get laid, Ed, seriously.
LMFAO@U….Studied in England, wow, you’re so worldly ….er….nerd…, so you’ve had to pay for sex your whole life then? Interesting, and very telling… So Figueroa Blvd and whore houses in “England” are your tastes…. And who are you fooling, an Urkel like you couldn’t get laid in a whore house with a fist full of hundreds. What a tool! Seriously,you’re not at the W/C’s desk junior, so quit running your boot licker, before it gets more uncomfortable for your callow carcass.
Boot licking ass-clowns like you are the reason for the article of reference in the first place.
Are you just bored, Ed? Why don’t you enjoy your retirement and do something for yourself, buddy? Go duck hunting or something. You have way too much time, old timer.
Thanks brother… You stay safe down there at SOW, with stains like these LT’s…. It’s more dangerous inside the station. Keep up the good fight…. I just love coming on here every once in a while and tossing these nerds up, when the run that hole under their nose.
Stay Safe my friend…..
Fellas,
It takes all kinds of personalities, intellect, skills and motivations to make LAPD work. We don’t all have to be like Ed, Kit-room commando extraordinaire. People who complain the most tend to be the most useless in any organization. Let’s keep on trucking LAPD, let’s not let these nay-sayers drag us all down. These are rough times, and there’s no need for us to cannibalize each other. We take care of each other and ride this little recession, and come out stronger. Back each other.
Thank you, Chief. And RIP. Now that’s a true leader.
Sorry, Johnny-come-lately….never spent one single day in a kit-room. Nice contradictory statement you made, you none contributing zero.
Hahahaha. LOL, I love Kit-Room commandos. Every station has one, and each is as fat and sullen as the next. LOL. Good one! They should wear powder blues or those blue academy sweats, so they remember their place, too many of them think they are Chief of Police.
Hey, Ed O’Shea. Are you also a homosexual retired police officer? How many are there like you?
Haaaaa…..Sorry slapstick, not a homosexual and not retired, yet. I’m the cop you hate, because pussies like you cannot even find the gun on your hip, let alone on a real live gang-member. And I seem to bring in yours and my fair share. A kool-aid drinking toe-toucher like you is probably a non-hacker who is now, finally, in a gang unit, or a weak officer who sits in the kit room, or on the front desk (by choice) flogging his dolphin. Why is it that these slapdicks choose to work the desk or kit room by choice? Because they’re scared, that’s why. I love when the slugs and zeros’ comment on Jacks articles that illustrate the fact that they’ve been weak less than mediocre officers for their entire careers, only to eventually promote and continue their less than mediocre ways. Then these petulant infants get their dress all bunched up, because guys like me come on here and expose the nerve even further. All you slaps, who got your feelings hurt by anything I said, have been playing hide and seek for 2 grand a week, in your 10851 uniform for your entire pathetic career. And every single one of you Sergeants and above, who are offended by the overwhelming belief/reality that you’re a none contributing zero? These guys come on here and cast stones, unrelated to the substance of the article, yet it’s they that has been sucking the man-chowder of the guy above them for there entire careers.
I love that technology is so advanced nowadays….It will be the downfall of all these punk ass and cowardice supervisors, sergeants all the way up to the top-slap.
Face the facts, and no clever one-liner will ever hide the fact that you’re a weak MOPE, and everyone, including you, knows it!
Go visit your massage parlor, Ed O’Shea. What happened no more OT, no more stroky-stroky for you? How well did you know Sgt. Crumb?
Sgt.Slaughter………Another boot licking stain heard from… Back into the Captains office and under the desk to stretch your jaw for your “administrative imperatives” for your next promotional “oral” you zero.
You LAPD supervisors want to take this conversation into the gutter, I’ve got no problem responding in kind. What sucks is that the good supervisors we have out there, have to do your work as well as their own. Very similar to when you slaps were wearing stolen police officer uniforms in patrol (all 3 months off probation that you spent there.)
Good job catching Stow’s attempt murderer, Ed.
Dork!
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