Comments on: The Subjective Nature of Torture http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:09:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: gymnastics http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-1499895 gymnastics Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:54:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-1499895 hello there and thank you to your info ? I've certainly picked up something new from right here. I did alternatively expertise some technical issues the usage of this site, since I skilled to reload the website lots of occasions prior to I could get it to load properly. I were puzzling over in case your web hosting is OK? Not that I am complaining, however sluggish loading circumstances occasions will very frequently impact your placement in google and can injury your high-quality ranking if ads and marketing with Adwords. Anyway I am adding this RSS to my e-mail and could glance out for a lot extra of your respective fascinating content. Ensure that you replace this again soon.. hello there and thank you to your info ? I’ve certainly picked up something new from right here. I did alternatively expertise some technical issues the usage of this site, since I skilled to reload the website lots of occasions prior to I could get it to load properly. I were puzzling over in case your web hosting is OK? Not that I am complaining, however sluggish loading circumstances occasions will very frequently impact your placement in google and can injury your high-quality ranking if ads and marketing with Adwords. Anyway I am adding this RSS to my e-mail and could glance out for a lot extra of your respective fascinating content. Ensure that you replace this again soon..

]]> By: Louche http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-332919 Louche Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:48:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-332919 It's simple to me... If I went berzerk and killed someone for no good reason, and was dangerous to the people around me, I would say I deserved to be put up somewhere. Would I say that I deserved to be tortured? Of course not. If I were withholding information that was perhaps dangerous to withhold, that in my mind might also be dangerous to provide, would I believe I should be subjected to torture? NO. I define torture as something meant to mess with your mind, by either physically violating you or mentally violating you. Just because I may have a phobia that is peculiar and that my torturers lack does not mean that it's cool to use that to screw up my mind. As a Buddhist, I believe that each of us wishes for happiness and the transcendence of suffering. Torture is the deliberate cause of suffering. It's not just about making someone uncomfortable. It's deliberately screwing with someone. Just because we can is not a sufficient reason to do something. Would I kill a stranger just because doing so could save my best friend? No; I don't agree with killing strangers, therefore doing so is completely out of the question on a moral basis. I also don't believe in torturing others, anyone, for any reason, therefore as far as I'm concerned it is not an existent option. For me, to torture someone would be to violate myself... to see someone else being tortured knowing I could prevent it would screw with MY mind. Only if I knew for a fact that that person was torturing others would it be acceptable to me because then I'd know LESS people were being tortured in the whole process. However, even then it still wouldn't be totally acceptable. I believe there is always a better way; it's a matter of finding the better way. Sadly, our government is less concerned with finding the best and most morally acceptable way than with finding the fastest one. I realize that sometimes you just have to make decisions because it's all you know and time is limited... but I have severe doubts as to the government's interests in anything besides. It’s simple to me… If I went berzerk and killed someone for no good reason, and was dangerous to the people around me, I would say I deserved to be put up somewhere. Would I say that I deserved to be tortured? Of course not. If I were withholding information that was perhaps dangerous to withhold, that in my mind might also be dangerous to provide, would I believe I should be subjected to torture? NO. I define torture as something meant to mess with your mind, by either physically violating you or mentally violating you. Just because I may have a phobia that is peculiar and that my torturers lack does not mean that it’s cool to use that to screw up my mind.

As a Buddhist, I believe that each of us wishes for happiness and the transcendence of suffering. Torture is the deliberate cause of suffering. It’s not just about making someone uncomfortable. It’s deliberately screwing with someone. Just because we can is not a sufficient reason to do something. Would I kill a stranger just because doing so could save my best friend? No; I don’t agree with killing strangers, therefore doing so is completely out of the question on a moral basis. I also don’t believe in torturing others, anyone, for any reason, therefore as far as I’m concerned it is not an existent option. For me, to torture someone would be to violate myself… to see someone else being tortured knowing I could prevent it would screw with MY mind. Only if I knew for a fact that that person was torturing others would it be acceptable to me because then I’d know LESS people were being tortured in the whole process. However, even then it still wouldn’t be totally acceptable. I believe there is always a better way; it’s a matter of finding the better way. Sadly, our government is less concerned with finding the best and most morally acceptable way than with finding the fastest one. I realize that sometimes you just have to make decisions because it’s all you know and time is limited… but I have severe doubts as to the government’s interests in anything besides.

]]> By: David S http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-263130 David S Wed, 20 May 2009 17:38:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-263130 <b>@73. tanstaafl:</b> <blockquote>Rotten, foul infidels, I couldn’t ever imagine I’d be agreeing with KSM.</blockquote> I'm not surprised in the least. Peace. DS @73. tanstaafl:

Rotten, foul infidels, I couldn’t ever imagine I’d be agreeing with KSM.

I’m not surprised in the least.

Peace.

DS

]]> By: Dred Scott http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-261436 Dred Scott Sun, 17 May 2009 23:22:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-261436 Sullivan knows nothing about Conservatism or Catholicism. Sullivan knows nothing about Conservatism or Catholicism.

]]> By: Jack http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-249275 Jack Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:03:18 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-249275 #77 Bilgeman - Well, I'm not exactly out picketing, but it wouldn't break my heart if the loophole was closed. Jack #77 Bilgeman – Well, I’m not exactly out picketing, but it wouldn’t break my heart if the loophole was closed.

Jack

]]> By: Bilgeman http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-249059 Bilgeman Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:08:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-249059 #76 Jack: "Gun shows seems to be the obvious loophole." Dealers who sell at gun shows already have to run the NICS background check. When you HEAR "Gun Shows", what they REALLY mean is private-party sales. I'd be in favor of having no-fee NICS background check facilities/booths at gun shows, and being a VERY responsible gun owner, I would use them. I would not knowingly sell a firearm to one of the verboten classes above. I will despise you THIS much... Good luck with that one. #76 Jack:
“Gun shows seems to be the obvious loophole.”

Dealers who sell at gun shows already have to run the NICS background check.

When you HEAR “Gun Shows”, what they REALLY mean is private-party sales. I’d be in favor of having no-fee NICS background check facilities/booths at gun shows, and being a VERY responsible gun owner, I would use them.

I would not knowingly sell a firearm to one of the verboten classes above.

I will despise you THIS much…

Good luck with that one.

]]> By: Jack http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-248820 Jack Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:37:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-248820 #75 Bilgeman - No that about covers it except for the one view that always gets me in trouble. I think guns should be tracked and background checks should be run. Gun shows seems to be the obvious loophole. Have whatever guns you want, but they should be registered so if something bad happens with them, we can track it back. I know that triggers the "government is going to take my guns" response, but the instances of that happening are very few and far between and in the case of New Orleans (for example) the government lost that legal case and are having to make good. Jack #75 Bilgeman – No that about covers it except for the one view that always gets me in trouble. I think guns should be tracked and background checks should be run. Gun shows seems to be the obvious loophole. Have whatever guns you want, but they should be registered so if something bad happens with them, we can track it back.

I know that triggers the “government is going to take my guns” response, but the instances of that happening are very few and far between and in the case of New Orleans (for example) the government lost that legal case and are having to make good.

Jack

]]> By: Bilgeman http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-248644 Bilgeman Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:02:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-248644 #74 Jack: "That said, I am a gun control advocate so you should still despise me." Depends, feel free to control your own guns, (if you have any), and I'd even join you to keep guns out of the hands of unsupervised children and mentally incompetent adults, (although that would bar most of your running-mates over on the Left). I'm also very "down" with mandatory minimums for felons in possession of firearms, (a la "Project Exile"), but aside from that... If your scope lies outside those broadly defined parameters, then you'll just have to hope for the constitutional amendment process to break your way. #74 Jack:
“That said, I am a gun control advocate so you should still despise me.”

Depends, feel free to control your own guns, (if you have any), and I’d even join you to keep guns out of the hands of unsupervised children and mentally incompetent adults, (although that would bar most of your running-mates over on the Left).
I’m also very “down” with mandatory minimums for felons in possession of firearms, (a la “Project Exile”), but aside from that…

If your scope lies outside those broadly defined parameters, then you’ll just have to hope for the constitutional amendment process to break your way.

]]> By: Jack http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-248573 Jack Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:14:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-248573 #71 Bilgeman - I do remember that and at least the right result came about (i.e. armed pilots). That said, I am a gun control advocate so you should still despise me. Jack #71 Bilgeman – I do remember that and at least the right result came about (i.e. armed pilots). That said, I am a gun control advocate so you should still despise me.

Jack

]]> By: tanstaafl http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-subjective-nature-of-torture/#comment-248545 tanstaafl Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:14:40 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=53658#comment-248545 The Attorney General, Eric Holder (pardon of Mark Rich, pardon of terrorists under Clinton, underling to Janet Reno) hardly has adequate credentials to conduct an inquiry into lawyerly opinions during the Bush administration relative to torture. It's a witch hunt, pure and simple, promoted by moveon.org and the ACLU. Briefly, yesterday, the President re-flipped and said no separate "truth commissions" will be set up. Don't hold your breath on the possibility of a re-re-flip flop. John Conyers and Patrick Leahy are nuts. Nancy Pelosi has conveniently "forgotten" all the very specific briefings on interrogation techniques she received 2002-2006. Has anybody considered that the detainees at Guantanamo, so called "high value" and otherwise, provide employment for an entire phalanx of otherwise unemployable ACLU lawyers ? Some of those detainees have asked for martyrdom, but the crummy lawyers insist on endless paperwork to keep their meal tickets alive and breathing. Rotten, foul infidels, I couldn't ever imagine I'd be agreeing with KSM. The Attorney General, Eric Holder (pardon of Mark Rich, pardon of terrorists under Clinton, underling to Janet Reno) hardly has adequate credentials to conduct an inquiry into lawyerly opinions during the Bush administration relative to torture.

It’s a witch hunt, pure and simple, promoted by moveon.org and the ACLU. Briefly, yesterday, the President re-flipped and said no separate “truth commissions” will be set up.

Don’t hold your breath on the possibility of a re-re-flip flop.

John Conyers and Patrick Leahy are nuts. Nancy Pelosi has conveniently “forgotten” all the very specific briefings on interrogation techniques she received 2002-2006.

Has anybody considered that the detainees at Guantanamo, so called “high value” and otherwise, provide employment for an entire phalanx of otherwise unemployable ACLU lawyers ?

Some of those detainees have asked for martyrdom, but the crummy lawyers insist on endless paperwork to keep their meal tickets alive and breathing.

Rotten, foul infidels, I couldn’t ever imagine I’d be agreeing with KSM.

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