The Seven-Point Manifesto of the Iranian Resistance
The following document, known as the Seven-Point Manifesto, calling for the resignation of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, has hit the streets of Iran. Hundreds of thousands of copies have already been circulated throughout the country.
A copy was sent from Tehran to filmmaker and activist Ardeshir Arian, who has translated it for Pajamas Media:
The Seven-Point Manifesto calls for:
1. Stripping Ayatollah Khamenei of his supreme leadership position because of his unfairness. Fairness is a requirement of a supreme leader.
2. Stripping Ahmadinejad of the presidency, due to his unlawful act of maintaining the position illegally.
3. Transferring temporary supreme leadership position to Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazery until the formation of a committee to reevaluate and adjust Iran’s constitution.
4. Recognizing Mir Hossein Mousavi as the rightfully elected president of the people.
5. Formation of a new government by President Mousavi and preparation for the implementation of new constitutional amendments.
6. Unconditional release of all political prisoners regardless of ideology or party platform.
7. Dissolution of all organizations — both secret and public — designed for the oppression of the Iranian people, such as the Gasht Ershad (Iranian morality police).
point 3.. why do people still want a supreme leader ??
NO… friends, please dont try to frame the events in Iran as a becoming “Revolution”. The term is dangerously misleading, counterproductive and ultimately detrimental to the protests… blosgosphere is hastily over-identifying with a visceral tactic. Not to mention the crackpot “opposition” sects abroad who are more than happy to highjack the events and impregnate it with their own ideological agendas….WE JUST WANT OUR VOTES BACK. Everything else will be dealt with accordingly in a measured and rightful way in future stages, depending on the orientation of Iranian society. This type of hysteria would only give the regime the pretext it so seeks to broaden its crackdown under the name of foreign meddling and national security.
Thanks
Ali
Dude, you are so naive. Do you really think that those in power will ever relinquish it? Presenting the leader with a petition calling for him to resign will result in one thing – all those who signed the petition will be thrown in jail or killed. After all, these are the same guys who brought you the kidnapping of US diplomats – their disdain for the rule of law is boundless. They are not about to let a bunch of unhappy people ruin their vision of a perfect Islamic theocracy. They will let you blow off a little steam, then they will crush you. Anybody brazen enough to call the election a landslide shows that they don’t even care what the rest of the world thinks. They didn’t even make an attempt to hide their manipulation by making the results appear close.
Pretty bold.
I would love to see it happen, but I can’t help but suspect that American intelligence agencies are behind this, fueling the fire…
M. – I agree. However, revolutions tend to progress when they pick up momentum. In 1775 we wanted King George to treat us fairly as well.
Ali, you make a reasonable point. What most Iranians want — other than an honest election, is not clear. I’m not sure the source of the manifesto, how widespread support for it is. Overall, it seems reasonable enough.
It’s very difficult to know how to react to events in Iran, other than with sympathy and support for the people’s right to choose their leadership.
Our issues with Iran involve its nuclear ambitions and desire to be a regional hegemon in the Middle East and Southwest Asia. If Iran — under any leadership — is willing to play well with others, that is to say abandon the nuclear weapons program and cease meddling in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and the Gulf and Arabian states, we can get along just fine.
But, if an Iran with even the most democratic of governments and liberty within the country is determined to acquire nuclear weapons and involve itself in the affairs of our allies, we will be in conflict, and probably ultimately, a war.
I would like to be the new supreme leader. Where do I sign?
Yes, people want their votes back, but
as long as supreme leader exists, election and president mean nothing in Iran. where you can find a repulic country with leader who can decides for everything. it’s not the Islamic republic of Iran it’s “Anti Islam Dictator of Iran”.
What rubbish,
Many foreign reporters in Tehran, Robert Frisk for example, have said that the protest is mainly against the outcome of the vote.
This is not a revolutionary movement i.e. ending the Islamic state, or replacing the Supreme leader.
Pretty poor journalism by the Guardian (UK newspaper) in linking to this site, with no further source, stating that this is “circulating” in Tehran.
I fervently hope you succeed in your struggle.
Sorry to be controversial, etc, but does point 7 include the reduction of Islam?
“We just want our votes back” says it. Best luck with that, however. Votes are actions defined by, only possible within, a stable social and political structure. Problem is, the current structure stole the votes and isn’t going to give them back. If it is knocked down, the votes (in a sense) go with it. History shows that transitions from tyranny to democracy are problematic.
Ali,
From all reports here in the west, it appears that millions of Iranians are taking to the streets to demand the removal of the government which claims to be legitimate, but which they feel is not. Now we have here a manifesto which calls for a new government and a new constitution. This is not essentially different from the American Revolution as it is taught in U.S. schools, so you shouldn’t be surprised if Americans identify it as a revolution.
I hope that the Iranian people can resolve their grievances against the governing powers in Iran to their satisfaction without the bloodshed that marked the American Revolution. Best of luck,
Bib
M, it is the Iranians’ country and their government. If they want to keep the Wilayat al Faqih and change it rather than demolish it and establish another form of government, then so be it. It is hypocritically supremecist and anti-democratic for us in the West to expect everyone to want our system of governance.
The last thing we need is that Iran´s fascistic government is being replaced with a new one, like the mujahedin, do I need to mention how they were helping Saddam killing us during the war? They are not different from Khameneji and his murdering regime.
Where is this manifesto from? What legitimacy does it have? I doubt Mousavi would support it. Things like this could have the potential to split the resistance. For now, just getting Mousavi restored to his legitimate victory is the goal!
kurt_jw:
Pretty bold.
I would love to see it happen, but I can’t help but suspect that American intelligence agencies are behind this, fueling the fire…
kurt_jw, I doubt American intelligence agencies have more than a dozen Farsi speakers total. Read “Guests of the Ayatollah” to see how ridiculous the accusations in 1979 were. The CIA people in the embassy in 1979 didn’t speak an Iranian language ! You give them far too much credit.
I think I’d be pretty good Supreme Leader.
What’s it pay?
I would love to see it happen, but I can’t help but suspect that American intelligence agencies are behind this, fueling the fire
No way. Not under Obama.
Ali is right. It is too early to call this much of anything other than protests. The Iranian people are working within the laws of their government. Do they want a change? Yes. Are they leading mass attacks against the government? No. There are other reasons to support stripping Ayatollah Khamanei’s power – such as inadequate religious credentials. Don’t read too much into a situation because of hope, else you’ll miss key factors.
THIS MASS UPRISING SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE FED UP OF 30 YEARS OF THEOCRATIC DICTATORSHIP IMPOSING ITS WILL ON THE MASSES THROUGH A DESPOTIC CONSTITUION WHERE THE MULLAHS HAVE THE LAST WORD IN EVERYTHING. THIS MANIFESTO REFLECTS THIS QUITE WELL AND SHOULD BE ADOPTED AS A MINIMUM LIST OF THE DEMAND OF THE UPRSING.
All,
I would like to dram parallels with the events of 78/79 and today. However, when the Shah was toppled it was a political coalition of many forces that came together with one main end, to overthrow the Shah.
Today, we see more a social – not political – uprising happening. This does not mean regime change could not happen. Furthermore, those that argue that the mullahs are too embedded and will not relinquish is strikingly similar to the those that said the Shah with his army and money and American backing could never be toppled – and look what happened there.
We need to do everything to facilitate this movement – and hope that from the millions of people that are protesting that some progressive, secular and anti-regime elements can take advantage of the situation and guide it in the right direction – namely to overthrow these fascists.
Comments welcomed.
All,
I would not like to draw parallels with the events of 78/79 and today. However, when the Shah was toppled it was a political coalition of many forces that came together with one main end, to overthrow the Shah.
Today, we see more a social – not political – uprising happening. This does not mean regime change could not happen.
Furthermore, those that argue that the mullahs are too embedded and will not relinquish power is strikingly similar to the those that said the Shah with his army and money and American backing could never be toppled – and look what happened there.
We need to do everything to facilitate this movement – and hope that from the millions of people that are protesting, some progressive, secular and anti-regime elements can take advantage of the situation and guide it in the right direction – namely to overthrow these fascists.
Comments welcomed.
The first grates on me a bit, simply for the use of the word “fair”, which tends tc come across whiny and juvenile in the English language (due to its overuse by whiny juveniles). However, as this is a translation, I’ll assume any one of a multitude of other more appropriate synonyms. Still, if a fair and legal election put in place an unfair, unjust leader, I’d call that just desserts (Lord knows the US has had its share).
It’s point 2, 3 and 4 that are more relevant, as your unfair “leader” blatantly stole the election, and deserves to be removed on that ground alone.
Of course even this might not mean much – it could just as well mean replacing one tyrant with another (a recurring theme throughout history).
It is the final 3 points that matter most, and the ones I wish you the most success with, as they are the only way to truly return peace, prosperity and freedom to a great nation.
Randall, no I bagsed Supreme Leader first.
I’m getting a strange feeling that Westerners may have the idea that the Iranian people are rising up to “change” the Islamic state into something different.This is not the case at all, Iran is and always will be an Islamic State but it seems the people wish to enjoy more freedom within the state and not be ruled by hardcore Clerics and/or a supreme holy figure, which is reasonable.
The last thing the Iranians want is what appears to be a coup where the “military” takes over via Ajad.It seems obvious that the people we’re cheated in this bogus election.They want the true victor to take his rightful place as President and wish to live in a less oppressive society, where secret/religious police do not rule the day.
Everything else pretty much stays in place “including” the nuclear ambitions being it seems like a source of National pride amongst most Iranians….which brings me to my last comment.
If the Iranian people who are now in the streets fighting and dying for “their” version of freedom or justice against a crooked totalitarian cabal…Do you fault Westerners for having grave concerns about the same cabal that your standing against in the case of their Nuclear ambitions, and what exactly should we do about it?
I feel I need to make a further adjustment on my previous posting.
All candidates in this election we’re cleared to participate by the supreme ruler.Had he been elected outright via an honest count, nothing much would really change in Iran…..It would still be the same government/system with a different face.
It appears that the Iranian people are morphing this into more than wanting their vote to be counted,it may be a real possibility that they are demanding more freedom than their candidate could have provided had the votes been counted correctly.If this is the case, I applaud all these Iranians even moreso for wanting more.
@Mike_K:
Are you being serious? Why wouldn’t U.S. intelligence agencies not have many people who can speak Farsi? That makes no sense. Most likely the connections they have with people inside Iran are the most important. You playing dumb makes no difference to me. I know we’re involved in this. I promise you we are.
@Terry Gain:
Are you being facetious or are you really that stupid?
What I think everyone’s missing is that their concept of democracy isn’t what ours is. Think of the supreme leader as our supreme court. Only under sharia, that must be mullahs instead of justices, and the supreme leader is the chief justice. Now imagine the balance of power placing the supreme court above the executive branch.
That’s the only way to structure sharia with a democratic face. The executive is reduced to an administrative post. The bigger issues are determined by the leadership, whose role is to interpret their constitution, which is sharia.
The Iranian people seem to be dissatisfied with the current chief executive, but not with the overall structure. Sux, but there it is.
Well… I put up an article on my blog last night. It appears that even the Washington Post doesn’t get it. They call Iran a “managed” democracy.
Either you have a full-on democracy with free election processes that don’t shut out the opposition, or you don’t. Apparently, the people in Iran do not want to be on the receiving end of an attack from Israel or from us. So, they voted for change, and when it didn’t happen, they got mad.
If the government gets toppled, this will be called the Twitter Revolution. You just watch…
While brave Iranians are protesting a naked grab of power by leaders in Tehran, Obama is engaging in a naked grab of power in Washington. Hope and Change is all relative, isn’t it?
Obama was “shocked and outraged” by the murder of an abortionist in America. But he is merely “troubled” by the beatings and murders carried out by Iranian leaders on their own people.
So just which devout Shia Muslims are willing to oust the ayatollahs and mullahs? Ain’t gonna happen!
Can we submit Item 1 to Obama’s administration?
Where’s the source for this “manifesto”? We need to source this better. If Mousavi signed it – he’d better be in hiding because the manifesto is talking regime change and that is clearly grounds for his arrest and sure execution.
I’m not sure Mousavi was willing to go this far yet. So we need to find out who wrote this.
Rumours abound in situations like this, but click on the link to “Truth and Justice” in the sidebar of Azarmehr’s blog. He is reporting something astonishing (spelling errors in the original):
“It has been reported that:
a) Mir-Hossein Mousavi has been assassinated
b) Protestors have set the basiji headquarters on fire, in retaliation to the shooting dead of the protestors
c) Mullahs are starting to flee the country”
Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will. — Frederick Douglas
“Iran is and always will be an Islamic state.” I certainly hope that this is not true and that there is real hope for true democracy and freedom in the country. For Obama to demand that there be no bloodshed is to vote present and it’s a vote in favor of the status quo and the above statement. The Iranian people must do what they need to do to overthrow this monstrosity. God bless them and good luck to them.
Obama was “shocked and outraged” by the murder of an abortionist in America. But he is merely “troubled” by the beatings and murders carried out by Iranian leaders on their own people.
Obama doesn’t give a fiddler’s damn about Iran. Iranians don’t vote in U.S. elections, and events in Iran are distracting attention from Obama’s medical-insurance “initiative”.
How STUPID Iranians are! Again & again they fall for the birtish/US/Isreal plots against the country. Does anyone remember Mousavi when he was Rafjanjani’s PM? One of the most visious, barbaric, so called revolutionary (guard) & dictatorial PM country ever had seen. During his time, he imposed many restictions on Iranian, many women were poured acid on their faces for just revealing one hair! Now women do all kind of beauty surgeries, make up, & show off all their bueaties and hair with no problem at all. How long Iranians can be fooled & then say they regret?? Mosavi is ploting a Coup along with Rafsanjani against Khamenie. Election is just an execuse.
“I would like to dram parallels with the events of 78/79 and today. However, when the Shah was toppled it was a political coalition of many forces that came together with one main end, to overthrow the Shah.”
One of the biggest forces, sad to say, was the US under Dhimmi Carter, who not only helped oust the Shah, but openly supported Khomeini over5 the secular democrats (whom the Islamists proceeded to massacre).
But then again, this was the same dimbulb who overtly refused to accept any black leader in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe except Mugabe. And now he’s bestest friends with Hamas….
We have a real winner here, folks…
Nothing will change in Iran until Khamenei dies.
He was personally chosen by Kohmeini as his successor, so most Iranians will not go against him out of respect. So if he says Ahmadi-Nejad won, people will accept that whether they actually believe it or not.
However, Khamenei lacks any authority of his own beyond the fact that he was chosen by Khomeini, so few people will accept his choice of successor. So when he dies, all bets are off.
But until that day, it really doesn’t matter who wins presidential elections or who the president is.
I’m not even sure how many of the protesters actually believe that the election results are fake. They probably just see it as a good opportunity to express their rage at the system in general.
It appears that even the Washington Post doesn’t get it. They call Iran a “managed” democracy.
They get it very well. Liberal doublespeak in the US has, for decades, used the word “managed” as a substitute for ‘antidemocratic’, or ‘authoritarian’, or ‘government by decree’.
A good example is the Growth Management Act in Washington State. Its intent is to force the expanding population inside arbitrary urban boundaries, and to deny home-buyers their choice of single-family residences outside those boundaries. It operates under control of appointed – NOT elected – ‘hearings Boards’, who have power to overrule the decisions of elected City or County governments regarding land use.
So a “managed” democracy is simply one whose votes can be overruled by an unelected higher power.
#5 I can’t help but suspect that American intelligence agencies are behind this, fueling the fire…
Wishful thinking. I’d be surprised if the American intelligence agencies were even aware of the Seven-Point Manifesto. They are too busy worrying about important things — like how diverse their workforce is.
@30 Kurt_JW
So you think that the United States has intelligence agents fomenting revolution in Iraq while the White House maintains a studied and firm neutrality? If even one of these agents is exposed it will destroy Obama’s narcissistic fantasy that through the power of his personality he can persuade Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions. And it will expose him as a liar on the world stage.
It’s stupid for you to call your betters stupid.
re:42
Others view Carter as not playing any role in 78/79 as the admin expected the Shah to hold onto power. The Shah was hardly a progressive lead, he murdered, jailed the Iranian people, while selling the country’s resources to foreign companies, to the detriment of Iran.
At least Carter has been one of the only US presidents to be honest about Israel deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure, and killing civilians, in Gaza.
In recent years, violent anti-government protests have erupted in Iran over a host of oddball issues:
from fuel rationing
and the dress code
to children’s cartoons in a local paper (not the Mohammed cartoons)
and the redrawing of municipal boundaries
and I can’t even tell what this one was about
Please keep this in mind before you make too big a deal out of these post-election protests.
Sorry,
Here is the dress code protest link.
“I’m not sure Mousavi was willing to go this far yet. So we need to find out who wrote this.”
I wasn’t assuming it came from him but from some protest group. But yeah we should find out where it originated and get a rough idea how popular it is.
@m My guess is the constitution requires a supreme leader. That is one of numerous reasons for #5.
“5. Formation of a new government by President Mousavi and preparation for the implementation of new constitutional amendments.”
“I would love to see it happen, but I can’t help but suspect that American intelligence agencies are behind this, fueling the fire…”
The protests are too large & spontaneous with news & exhortations coming from too many places & the Iranian people have protested for a long time, there were large sporadic protests before with arrests & beatings but this is the largest one yet. But it’s not the first by a long shot. Search Michael Ledeen at corner.nationalreview.com for many reports on this for 5-6 years at least.
Mousavi lost — get use to it. He does not speak for the Iranian people. Power to Ahmadinejad is power to the people.
@kurt_jw
“Are you being serious? Why wouldn’t U.S. intelligence agencies not have many people who can speak Farsi”
Mike probably knows much more about this than you. Robert Bahr was station chief in Dushambe. In one of his books he writes that he sent an urgent message to CIA headquarters requesting a speaker of the local language, Darri I believe. The station was operating without a single person who could speak the local language and had been doing so for years. The response from headquarters was to offer someone to go to Dushambe to teach the station personnel about DIVERSITY.
Anybody attempting to circulate such manifestos should realise they can be charged with treason or sedition for which the penalty is life imprisonment or even the death penalty. Let me assure everyone that there can be voices of dissent against anybody in Iran but the Supreme leader ; and just as he cannot possibly be brought to power by the people , similarly he cannot be forced out by the democratic forces.
I support the Iranian government.
I hope it keeps the rabble, whores and feminists in line.
Democracy is dangerous and a lie.
It would be one thing if none of this had need tried yet. (It would still be a dangerous lie; but only in theory, which only the brightest can see). But since democracy has been tried in the west–AND FAILED MISERABLY, one can only conclude that westerns advocating that coup over there are freak liberals or very dense conservative conformist pack-mules (of liberalism).
Oh…
Along with “whores and feminists” etc being kept in line I want to add the ‘dark political objective “tribes”‘ and NGO spook groups.
The western media wants to get its parasitic tendrils into that system so it can parasite there and destroy them too.
The parasitic western media.
You dunces.
HELPING kurt_jw GET A CLUE
President Barack Obama says he believes supreme leader Ayatollah ali Khamenei has deep concerns about the civil unrest that has followed the hotly contested presidential election there.
Obama repeated Tuesday at a news conference his “deep concerns” about the disputed balloting. He said he believes the ayatollah’s decision to order an investigation “indicates he understands the Iranian people have deep concerns.”
But at the same time, Obama said it would not be helpful if the United States was seen by the world as “meddling” in the issue.
Ali, the problem is that Khamenei is the one who stole your votes in the first place. He’s come out and confirmed the election of Ahmadinejad twice. If you do not drive Khamenei from power, you might get back your votes today, but the thief will still be in charge of the next election.
The Iran government’s biggest mistake has been to fire on the protestors. This will ignite an oppostion which will build and build until it brings down those now in control in Iran. It may not be this month or this year but the fuse is lit and it will come! The mullah’s power like that of the Shah’s will be smashed.
Khamenei … Kohmeini…
Is it me or are all these names meant to sound the same?
SM-your bias is blantantly obvious.The fact your posting here proves democracy works.(thwack!Egg on face of SM).Whats wrong?A little pissed that Muslim women are making radical Islamists look like fools?
When you’ve been under oppression for such a long time, can you really know what you want other than to be freed from it?
This manifesto is just a start, a rallying point. What it evolves into is anyone’s guess.
Print out Iranian support images.
Hold them up at your protest.
Email photo of your protest to Iranian protesters. They can print your photo and use them for a boost, or as protest signs.
Imagine protests from DC, South Africa, China, Japan, and France all holding up Iranian protest images. Imagine Iranians holding photos of these…
Don’t use text they can’t read — the image must be obvious. Put local landmark in the picture, so they know where it is from.
You people are oblivious.
Who cares if no one can speak Darri? Almost everybody in Iran speaks Farsi and a great many of them speak English.
Like I said, your naivete means very little to me. You don’t seem to know anything about the clandestine activities of the U.S. government (and their partners in crime). The CIA, in many ways, acts as an autonomous body. It’s not like we’ve ever toppled the Iranian government before right!?!?
Oh wait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
When there is a regime in the world that we don’t like (and I use “we” loosely) we try to topple them. Period. And many times we succeed. For a complete history, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U.S._regime_change_actions
Please, don’t be so naive. Obama just blocked releasing White House visitor logs: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/
This isn’t some nice guy we’re talking about. He’s just a good actor.
20. Randall:
“I think I’d be pretty good Supreme Leader.
What’s it pay?”
Three goats per month, new robes, a Yugo and all the falafel you can eat.
whatever occurs, the people have gotten a profound taste of their power – this will be the major formative event of at least the younger generation. That heralds change without an ingenuity that is probably beyond the power of the present order.
I’m all for what is really a counter-revolution in Iran. Truth is, it won’t matter how organized the Mousavi camp is. The leadership in Iran is already using the Basji and their Hez allies to eliminate anyone they think is a threat.
The opposition has but one real chance for effective action here: find out what would get the Iranian armed forces on their side, and convince the Army to support them and seize the government. To that end we in the U.S. should give them every measure of support possible. I certainly don’t want a repeat of Tienanmen Square where we just stood by and watched (not even watched, really) the PLA mow down thousands of kids in the name of global stability.
I have an Iranian friend who got out in ’79 and he was telling me this morning “I hope it gets worse! Otherwise nothing will change!” So do I!
Was it Stalin or Hitler who said that ‘those who cast votes decide nothing, while those who count votes decide everything’?
#50, great link. We should enlist Michelle Obama to go over there and show them some western fashon.
The upper middle class and college students –who are behind the sedition and activism (here and there) are not “the people” of Iran. Those trouble makers are a minority who want to steal power in the name of western liberalism.
You absolute dunces!
Ahmadinejad and company have less privilege in that country, than your elites here in democracy have in yours. (you fools!)
There is no such thing as equal; the “great experiment” –called democracy– has proved that. There is no way to oust ‘have and have not’; and democracy has very much proved that over its centuries.
Most of you here at this site are anti science country folk. Yet you are against that very type holding on to power in their _own countries_, BECAUSE YOU’RE ARE THAT STUPID. You are Useful Idiots for liberal media interests!
There is no such thing as freedom or equal or any of that noise. If some classes in Iran are suppressed it is so other classes can be protected and get their rights and freedoms. Duh! (You dunces.)
The proof of this is the anglo west itself!… In the entire anglo west the rights and freedoms of the once large majority of white men have been taken away through a complex of unconstitutional political fiats hiding inside the _absolute BS of democracy_ so that liberal groups in the west can regularly attack and unconstitutionally marginalize that great majority of working class, rural men.
It would one thing if you were liberals and atheists and you supported liberal conspiracy around the globe. But you are conservatives and god types who regularly claim and believe you are being cajoled and oppressed by your own upper middle class elites. Why do you advocate that class — your enemies– strengthening themselves around the world?
Are you really that stupid?
…You have simply conformed to your own system –which by all accounts is a disaster. You don’t have the faculties for thinking about deeper stuff: what the parties and agendas and are; what the long term is. You were simply born into your culture which is run by liberal feminist atheist elites and you work as the watchdogs of that house the way american indian scouts fought for the US calvary.
You have xenophobic, watchdog “male conformity” instincts. This is being used against you by your own elites, so they can use you as cannon fodder Useful Idiots against your own interests.
You don’t seem to be able to grasp that historically. That is your ‘age of reason’.
“What’s it pay?”
Three goats per month, new robes, a Yugo and all the falafel you can eat.
Jun 16, 2009 – 8:47 pm
69. dan:
You forgot to mention little girls to play with.
“kurt_jw:
You people are oblivious.
Who cares if no one can speak Darri? Almost everybody in Iran speaks Farsi and a great many of them speak English.”
The above is in reference to my earlier comment about
“kurt_jw:
You people are oblivious.
Who cares if no one can speak Darri? Almost everybody in Iran speaks Farsi and a great many of them speak English.”
The above is in reference to my earlier comment about the CIA’s lack of language expertise which was based upon my recollection of reading Robert Baer’s book ‘See No Evil,’ years ago. I have just found the reference. My recollection was incorrect in several details, but not in the conclusion that the CIA was extremely deficient in middle east languages. My memory was wrong about the purpose and language skills Baer was seeking for the CIA station in Dushambe in 1994 and which the CIA could not provide. He wanted to interview and possibly recrute Afghani refugees and he needed speakers of Dari and Pashtun the two languages of Afghanistan. He was informed that the CIA no longer collected on Afghanistan and therefore
couldn’t provide those languages.
For the love of the flying spaghetti monster, can we flush these kinds of stupid, pointless comments?
http://www.insideofiran.com/en/?p=2190
Intifada! Intifada! Iran Free!
Here’s my word for the Iranian people go for it change your regime, and don’t be nuclear because if you don’t you’ll find your self at the end of the rope either by us or your unchange regime.
The Pharaoh of Teheran and Ahmedinejad his lapdog will eventually provoke a nuclear war. If the Iranian people do not want to be fried in the crossfire they had better get rid of their oppressors now, before the Pharaoh and his lackeys get nukes and use them. Once they start lobbing nukes around, or giving them to terrorist groups, there will be no way to differentiate between the Iranians who support the Pharaoh and the others when retaliating.
As for SM, his racist, fascist/communist ranting shows him to be suffering from terminal cranial rectal impaction.
ما زبانمان پارسی است و ابرانی پارسی مینویسد همه که انگلیسی بلد نیستند مچل کردین خودتونو؟
sm
to my knowledge, speaking with friends in tehran, your views are widely held.
something people here do not understand. even those anti Islamic Iranians i have known have no respect for either democracy or what we in the west refer to as individual liberty. as there is little individual liberty left in the usa, they have a legitimate bone to chew on. your screed makes that clear.
even the most liberated pro western Iranian i have ever spoken to frames their view of the usa with the cia. not unreasonable considering our history there.
the Iranian regime hangs gays and little girls. stones women to death, yet the moral equivalence card is always thrown, pointing out the injustice and growing central state power over individuals constraining our own freedom ever lessening right here in gringolandia. seems reasonable that our position here should be to wish them well, agree in public that their election was corrupt and that we hope saner voices succeed in iran, but to point more of our poisen arrows at ourselves.
the left and right drop by drop have reduced our personal freedoms right here ….. all under the guise of for our own good. it is long past due for our own street action to minimize our own central planning nightmare. little by little the usa has become an ant farm. a massive central planning nightmare reducing the individual to mere worker tasks. the road to serfdom is as was warned, a road taken by democracies as well as left commie and right fascist states. now more than ever, the only hope we have is a revolution that is deconstructive. a reaffirmation that the only state that governs well is a state that governs much less. much much less,
@Self-hating Boomer
I am speaking as an iranian and please don’t speak for me.
My concept of democracy is the real one, the only one, and that is what you enjoy in the west. It has nothing to do with sharia. I truly believe most iranians believe in a secular state.
Just because the 1979 revolution was hijacked, it doesn’t reflect the true spirit of the revolution.
Please take a look at the manifesto of the Democratic nation of Iran.
http://iran115.org
Thank you.