The Saudi Pedophile Chronicles
The Saudis really need to get an infomercial out there — and the Nation magazine and other leftist sites that apologize for Islamic gender apartheid can feature it on their webpages. It would go something like this:
A Saudi sheikh dressed slickly in Saudi garb would be sitting confidently in a chair, looking into the camera with an excited smile. He would then begin asking, with earnestness and an encouraging tone:
Are you a pedophile? Do you like underage girls? Would you like to rape one of them — or several? And get away with it? Even have it legally sanctioned? Then Saudi Arabia is for you.
The screen then shifts to a shopping mall filled with niqab-covered women (only the slit of the eyes showing) walking up and down in front of stores. It remains unclear what message this is supposed to denote, but the camera stays focused on these shrouded women for about ten seconds. Then a warning appears that all infidels who are interested must first convert to Islam. This is followed by a phone number appearing over a black background, indicating a contact person who can be reached. A voice then explains that this person lurks within the Saudi religious police and that he will connect interested parties to Saudi fathers intent on selling their underage girls into marriage — a standard practice in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi fathers, you see, they know what’s up: it’s better to sell one’s daughter at a very young age to get raped under the sanctioning of Islamic law than to risk her getting older and bringing shame to the family — which can happen in a million ways in Saudi Arabia (i.e., she might go outside without permission or attempt to run out of a burning building unveiled). This all gets too needlessly complicated — as you then have to kill her. So why go through all the trouble when you can make some cash while she’s young and get rid of the problem?
After the phone number is flashed on the screen, the infomercial ends with a little talk from Jasem Muhammad al-Mutawah, Saudi Arabia’s infamous “expert” on Islamic “family matters.” He’s holding one of his favorite rods and begins to explain and gleefully demonstrate with it how a husband should use it to beat his wife — as he has done on Saudi instructional TV programs on wife beating on Iqraa TV.
These kinds of Saudi infomercials could really capitalize on a grotesque, barbaric, and nightmarish reality within the kingdom — to which the international community responds with a deafening silence and shameless paralysis. The other day, for instance, a typical news report emerged out of Saudi Arabia: a 12-year-old girl was sold by her father into marriage with an 80-year-old man. The Saudi father sold her to his cousin, who had previously married three other young girls, for the equivalent of $22,600 U.S. currency.
After the “wedding,” the girl was taken to the hospital because of horrible physical injuries she sustained in the rape that followed the “festivities” — which involves the “wife” and all women forced into a closet and the men “celebrating” in a large room, spending most of the time staring into each other’s eyes. If an outsider was present at this function and didn’t know the “culture,” he would definitely think that a gay wedding, of one form or another, was underway. But not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Eman Al Nafjan, a Saudi blogger and women’s rights advocate, is one of the few courageous voices speaking out against this vicious injustice of child rape in Saudi Arabia. Her voice fills the void left by the shameless silence of the “progressive” left in the West, which dares not speak a word of criticism against Islam, lest doing so might put its anti-Americanism and solidarity with jihadists into jeopardy.
Don’t worry yourselves America..
After all your only there for the oil….
Why do Roman Polanski and his Hollywood defenders come to mind almost at once? I wonder…
The Arab / Muslim world is an inferno of psychosexual perversion, including a completely unadmitted pandemic of pederasty — the usual consequence when men are forbidden the company of women. Meanwhile, Iran gleefully hangs young homosexuals while Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claims there are no homosexuals in Iran, and executes girls who’ve been raped because they can’t provide four male witnesses to the crime. Yet these…persons condemn us for the scanty couture affected by American teens and pop stars, and our willingness to let our womenfolk work, vote, and drive.
Is anyone thinking “one-microsecond desert beautification plan” just now? Anyone else, that is?
It is sad and tragic. It is not only a sin of the left however to overlook these attocities. The entire world really looks the other way because we need oil so much more than we would care to admit. The writer is right in his assesment that too much sensitivity for Islam has been given. I say at least level the playing field and attack this religion with the same intensity that Christianity has been subjected to. That will not happen because again we need the oil too much and fear terrorism. The sad thing is it does not matter if we remain silent because terrorism will still be used and the western world has done very little to wean ourselves from the oil teat of the middle east.
Alternative energy is a pipe dream at present. Hydrocarbons are the single best source of energy on the planet at present. It is the raw material in almost all of our industrial processes. What is really needed is more acess to other sources of hydrocarbons so that the middle east will lose more and more strategic value. If this cannot or will not be done a World War will likely become unpreventable.
It is good that the author brings to light the real conditions that exist but to think it is only a symptom of the left to overlook the barbaric activities there is really an over simplification of the problem. I for one wish the British had never given up Colonial Control of the area. I would prefer the Tyranny of British Colonialism over the present problems we now face.
Jaimie – Spot-on. And, oh yes – Islam is not a religion. It is a fascist political ideology (and a sick one at that) parading around as a religion: the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing.
The left is caught on the horns of a delimma. If they condemn this practice as “absolutely wrong, regardless of religious teachings”, then they must acknowledge some kind of “absolute” definition of right and wrong. That comes perilously close to acknowledging an “absolute” authority (GOD) which they absolutely cannot do!
So, they are willing to sacrifice these girls upon the altar of “cultural relativism” in order to avoid having to examine THEIR OWN LIVES in the light of absolute right and wrong. They know they have been weighed in the scales and have come up wanting. They know there is a God, and He will judge them. They are “whistling past the graveyard”.
So, that leaves those of us who know right from wrong to call this practice what it is; EVIL! If the practice is evil, then those who practice it are EVIL! And if they practice this evil in the name of religion, then their religion is EVIL. Therefore, Islam is Evil! (QED)
I await the efforts of MOHO et. al. to defend this practice!
Yeah, it’s hard to believe the Bush Dynasty is so understanding of that kind of behavior. Maybe, as bubblehead suggests, they should have condemned this stuff as “absolutely wrong, regardless of religious teachings.” Instead what do we get? Kissy face and hand holding with their leaders as they stroll through the garden. Why does the Bush family hate America so?
And let’s break out the Venn diagram of Evil once more, mister head, only this time let’s use it to examine Christian parents denying children medical treatment in favor of faith healing. . . in essence, choosing ti kill their own children. If the practice is evil, then those who practice it are EVIL! And if they practice this evil in the name of religion, then their religion is EVIL. Therefore, Christianity is Evil!
I’m glad you finally admitted that. See, the truth shall set you free.
Huh. It used to be the Catholic clergy was the place to be. I’m sure you didn’t give a crap when that was the case.
I used to live next door to religious Moslems who had twin baby girls. Every day I would hear slapping noises coming from their apt. and then the babies would cry. I went to the police to file a complaint of possible child abuse. The Moslem man next door stopped me in the lobby once to enquire why I had complained and I flipped out…uncontrollable anger about Islam, 9/11, treatment of Moslem women, etc, etc. He was stunned. The cops came to my door that night and asked me a million questions. I told them that according to the Canadian Charter of Rights, I did not have to answer anything. They left. I never heard the slapping again and I he never bothered me after that. All it takes is to stand up to one of these barbaric cowards and they back down.
These are just good muslims doing their duty to be like their prophet.
@ #6
God does not teach us to allow our children to die. People who do that are confused, misinformed or foolish.
Islam teaches rape of children!
Since I’ve made it simple, can you tell the difference now?
“Instead what do we get? Kissy face and hand holding with their leaders as they stroll through the garden.”
You are not saying anything new whatsoever. Your cynicism is totally justified. A large number of us have consistently criticized the politically correct mindset of George W. Bush. He did indeed deceive himself in this regard. The Bush administration was bad enough. Obama’s is far worse.
Well, at least from the sub-headline, Thailand must be breathing a sigh of relief.
As usual, our clueless trolls try to score points with meaningless demagoguery.
The point is not that evil does not and cannot exist everywhere. It can and sometimes does. The point is that the evil is ingrained into the institutions and supported by the culture. The pedophile scandals in the Catholic church were, well, scandals. They were a point of shame and once exposed, the reaction was pretty harsh. The church certainly did not deal with them very well at first, but to imply that they are part of the theology, teachings, and culture of the church is insipid spew from people who will say anything to support their own hatred and twisted point of view.
6. skeeziks.
“See, the truth shall set you free.”
Feb 19, 2010 – 7:19 am
7. Original Child Bomb
” I’m sure you didn’t give a crap when that was the case.”
Feb 19, 2010 – 7:28 am
Didn’t take long for the Wannabe Jihadist to appear. Two comments, same person. Minutes apart.
And the talk of ” the truth shall set you free.”
Sure. Why not use –
Moho
Kochevnik
Javelin
Blovis
American Muslim
Alice Nolin
Now and Then
…as well as 55 others?
Multiply and be fruitful!
And what else? Why not come on with a “right wing” rant with yet another I.D. lie? Then you could go Original Child Vomit and use “you people”, “toothless hillbillies”, “retard”, “idiot”,”moron” and feel really really good about yourself. Moral! Righteous! – Was something missed? Please refresh.
But never, never condemn the atrocities portrayed in Mr. Glazov’s article. Tell somebody they aren’t real. “Courage and Intelligence?” No, just fall back on the good old reliable moho relativism. A pattern that repeats and repeats.
No juice here moho. Same old lame old moho. The funhouse mirror rules.
By all means, link to every Western atrocity that exists. Don’t forget yourself. Van Jones is watching.
Barking? Barking? Barking?
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
You don’t know what skeezits likes, only Original Child Bomb does.
Whatever.
The selling and rape of young girls in the MIddle East amounts to pedophilia gone amuck.
This is not a rare occurance, it seems to be very main stream.
Not one adm has spoken out about this practice, and I doubt they will. Just as they will not speak out about the practices of places like thialand..
The difference would be the Middle East looks to their religion as a guide on this subject.. Wow..a religion for pedophiles and male bullies
However, more people need to be made aware of these practices and the harm done to the women/juvenile girls.
Phyllis Chesler has many good articles on this subject
To skeezics
Yeah, it’s hard to believe Obama would bow in front of such pigs and Liberal Democrats supporting and voting for someone who did.
“Is anyone thinking “one-microsecond desert beautification plan” just now? Anyone else, that is?”
I’m with you!
It also effectively happens in our own country with the fundamentalist LDS community a la Warren Jeffs and his ilk.
Regarding teaching rape @6, so does the Bible.
Sadly, it has been present in our culture. And, whether you like it or not, the Bush family is well connected to Saudi Arabia (Carlyle Group, anyone?).
It can’t happen here!
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23690
The Syrians call them ‘Shismawies”(sewers) and the Saudis are so hate in the Arab world you cannot imagine! Why do you think that the Saudis go to Londodn and not to Syria for vacation?. Their sweet money my friend lets’ them get away with murder, pedophilia and all kind of shit that you can think of. You should see all the beautiful poor Russian girls that “work” there and nobody says anything.
G-d blessed them with oil and these people are the scum of the earth. What kind of a G-d would do such a thing?
How utterly sad and tonedeaf the left is. They still are trying to use any situation to trash President Bush and his family. You are pathetic! You don’t care about anything or anyone.
This article points out how women are being horribly abused, and all you see is another chance to get at Bush. You make my skin crawl.
Just remember that when the trolls do the moral relativism thing they are really saying there is no such thing as right and wrong so let go do the wrong thing. It is very revealing of the trolls character. Skeeziks is probably someone who pines after young boys or girls and wishes he could live in Saudi Arabia.
18. avoidswork sleazits Original Child Vomit moho.
The moho consortium becomes more bizarre? The cesspool is the limit.
Weak, very weak. Lame. Nothing.
“It also effectively happens in our own country with the fundamentalist LDS community a la Warren Jeffs and his ilk.”
Illegal actions? Jeffs tried and convicted? 10 years to life… “without a teleprompter.”
Didn’t take long for another facet of Onan the Wannabe Jihadist to appear. Three comments, and counting, same thing talking. Does the “Child” desire a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia? Pee Wee moho will do fine there.
avoidswork
Moho
Kochevnik
Javelin
Blovis
American Muslim
Alice Nolin
Now and Then
…as well as 56 others?
Multiply and be hateful!
Can you bark in different keys too?
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
You don’t know what avoidswork likes, only Original Child Vomit does.
Whatever.
@21 –
I call BS on your post. This is not a random use of “any situation”, but pointing out that this is not a new phenomena in Saudi Arabia any more than it is a new phenom in our own country with certain segments of of the FLDS community. I don’t here you arguing here for the women in our own nature trapped in such horrors.
Our last president was not only on friendly terms with Saudi Arabian royalty, but a “compassionate conservative” Christian. His family has strong ties to Saudi Arabia. What did he do about this during his two terms of Presidency? Nothing. Why? Is his administration solely responsible? No, of course not. The world is, including UN, etc.
Empowering women in Islamic cultures is the best way to mitigate the horror that happens there. Attempts are being made in Iran – beautiful and tragic. Beautiful, because we are reminded that what we think of Iran (freak Ayatollah fringe) vs. the people in there protesting and being tortured, raped, and murdered for their protests (the tragic part). Our world isn’t perfect. Never has been. But we as part of the world will need to start rebuking these types of cultures instead of shaking their hand, having our Armed Forces based in their country and beholden to them for oil.
@20 – the same G-d that allows atrocities to happen in any country, to any person, gender, etc.
I read worshiping Satan causes this type of behavior.
Bush did about the same thing obama is doing..nothing…
except Obama is bowing..and kissing the hems, otherwise it’s about the same.
The situation in the Middle East/third world countries is about the little girls, thousands of girls, thousands of young immature innocent girls are being raped.
you lower yourself to blame the FLDS,which you probably do not know anything about, or Bush when you did not bring Obama into your conversation.
I don’t care if Bush family is friends with Saudi family. This is not the topic. It is about little girls,like your child, your sister, niece etc that are raped at 6,7,8,9 etc Used to pay debts, beaten, starved, handed around.. It’s not a few girls..it’s “thousands” of little girls.
Plus, it’s not only the Middle East that offers up it’s children to pedophiles and look the other way. The third world countries do it for money, the middle east does it because of the religion they follow. I don’t know which is worse.
It will take a much stronger organization, person, politician than anything we have to offer.
So,.. many people work tirelessly,outside the political arena, to help these little girls on a daily basis.
The past does not matter…it is right now and tomorrow that will effect these little lives..
Some of you sound like it makes you feel “goooood” to know that there are desperate little souls out there that need help so that you can take an opportunity ..not to help them..but bash a past politician.
We need to drill and find our own sources of energy. It’s not the middle east that gets most of our oil money anyway.
10. bubblehead:
Nope, no clearer at all. You said: “If the practice is evil, then those who practice it are EVIL! And if they practice this evil in the name of religion, then their religion is EVIL.”
I just agreed with you. If you choose to disagree with yourself, that’s your problem.
@26 – WTF do you know about the FLDS? Their history? Have you ever heard of Elizabeth Smart? She was kidnapped by an FLDS at 14 who thought she was his next bride and repeatedly raped.
I’m pointing out that sadly, things like this happen in our own country, too. NOT to the extreme as the Middle East/Third World, but all the same. I don’t lower myself at all, thank you very much. I think they are an abhorrent, toxic, culture (FLDS). They live in welfare societies b/c only one marriage is legitimate and the rest are single mothers with many kids. The law, including judges, etc. of the communities are also sympathetic to the culture of the FLDS.
I agree, about everything else you said regarding the tragic culture of the Third World and the Middle East. I *hate* that we have policies with places like that (and have throughout much of the history of the US) which treat their women/girls in such horrifying and tragic ways.
But, you better believe the past matters. Just as much as what we do now.
But I CAN point out that our last President did jack about it. Just like his Daddy didn’t and they’ve been embedded in Saudi Arabia and ties for decades. As in the country this article is about.
I know you don’t care b/c Obama is eeeeevulllll and all, but it doesn’t make it any less true.
But, again, I remind you all that women were property in the Bible. Rape occurred in the Bible. Spoils of war and all.
History is a b*tch. Deal.
avoidswork seems to still be suffering from BDS. This is a common occurrence among Obama worshippers when they realize what a loser their chosen one turned out to be.
27. Priests who violate their vows of chastity in such an egregious way are not doing evil in the name of Christianity; they are just doing evil.
#28
WTF do I know about the FLDS…Well, we are Utah natives…very familiar with the Elizabeth Smart story and the FLDS. Smart’s abducters, Mitchell and Barzee are nutcases of the highest ranking..literally nuts. We are not sympathetic to these people, no matter your “inside” knowledge.
You seem very hung up on the FLDS.
The past does not matter to these children and their situation, only the hope of changing their future matters.
I don’t care what the Christian bible says either…you seen to draw great enjoyment trying to talk down to people..again you fail..
So, go peddle your “knowledge” elsewhere
hey!!! what happened to my answer to 28 ????
Elizabeth Smart’s kidnapper, Brian David Mitchell, was not a member of the FLDS faith. He was an itinerant “street preacher.” The legal battle still rages as to whether or not he is “competent” to stand trial.
Children should be allowed to be children. People should not be sold for money. To sell a young girl is an archaic practice at best and demeans and debases all associated with it.
…the shameless silence of the “progressive” left in the West, which dares not speak a word of criticism against Islam, lest doing so might put its anti-Americanism and solidarity with jihadists into jeopardy.
Gotta love the American Left. Whenever real world events conflict with their Ideology, the Ideology wins out every time.
You’d think the cognitive dissonance would kill them.
Who are we, after all, as my leftist feminist colleagues explained to me for over a decade in academia, to judge other cultures and see them through the eyes of the Western cultural lens? Surely there is no universal standard to judge anyone on anything. Cultural relativism is the way to go. Well, except, that is, when it comes to judging Western civilization in general and American society in particular. That’s when cultural relativism really needs to go out the window.
Selective Cultural Relativism Syndrome (SCRS)
Pretty amazing stuff. Makes you think such people were spawned on a distant planet and just set down on Earth, full grown, full blown, whatever.
They must be dumb, too, to not see through much of the crapola pounded into their head in women’s studies classes.
Naomi Klein
Naomi Klein, wow. Isn’t she the girl who travels around the planet on jet airplanes, dissing capitalism while staying in 5-star hotels and eating filet mignon ?
33
thank you.
We all need to protect the children, here, there, everywhere.
People like “avoidswork” serve to demean efforts.
This article talks about 12 year olds. What if the ped wants a 9 year old, or perhaps 6 yo? What if he wants one still in the womb? At what age does Islam say a girl is too young? Is there any limit to the corruption of the soul that Islam embraces? What little I know of Islam, is too much. It makes me sick!
27. skeeziks avoidswork moho javelin Original Child Vomit Whatever
“If you choose to disagree with yourself, that’s your problem.”
“Disagree with yourself”? Is the funhouse mirror chastising Kyber sleazits… again” Disagreement can be a good thing. Give PJM a better show here, something besides Pee Wee moho reruns or yet another chapter of Onan the Wannabe Jihadist. Setting your underwear on fire had its moments, but what was the gain? Destruction of the “Inconvenient Truth”. Look on the bright side, no more Florida movie theater busts and longings for Nurse Nancy.
The act is stale. Bring some life to it. Turns on the lights, get some Great Value Bleach and clean up the Modern Liberal Cesspool. Stage a thread with Original Child Vomit and sleazits raging about the morality lying. Great deal of expertise there.
Then this.
28. avoidswork.
“But, you better believe the past matters. Just as much as what we do now. ”
“History is a b*tch. Deal.”
“Deal”? Ok.
Wouldn’t avoids Integrity be a better tag?
The dark matter encrusted creature crawls out of the cesspool and runs down a crowded Main Street, screaming I’m right because I am because I am because… Don’t Modern Liberals just love those personal responsibility tautologies. Avoids, avoids, avoids. Honesty.
“History is a b*tch. Deal.” Indeed. PJM archives too. Hey moho, Mr. “YOu People”, champion of Truth, Justice, and the Cesspooler way.
“You people…”
108. avoidswork.
“You people realize that ACORN…”
Jan 27, 2010 – 1:19 pm
35. skeeziks
“You people are such chickenshits.No wonder nobody respects you.”
Jan 30, 2010 – 12:55 pm
38. moho
“…you people… “.
Jan 8, 2010 – 5:38 pm
Hillbilly refresher.
98. skeeziks.
“…stop buying Hillbilly Heroine from your maid”
Jan 27, 2010 – 7:49 am
252. Moho
“Malingering hillbillies…”
Nov 27, 2009 – 10:28 am
139. Moho
“I could lie about it from here to next Thursday, what difference would it make?”
Nov 4, 2009 – 8:01 pm
The Kicker.
84. skeeziks.
“Actually, it’s a Deployed Retard bracelet.
(Satire!)”
Feb 11, 2010 – 6:09 pm
Satire? Sure. Satire like that Kick Me sign attached to your carcass. Kick that demeaning bigoted “Retard” habit yet? Imagine, a “Deployed Retard” is the only thing standing between a Saudi prince and your granddaughter.
69. skeeziks.
“You people…”
“…are children. You remind me of my granddaughter who yesterday got caught feeding chocolate to Kyber our dog. She knows she’s not supposed to do that. She said, “You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
You don’t know what avoids Integrity likes, only moho does.”
So Van Jones loves Fidel Castro and his beard? Did the muggers honor your Kick Me desire? Has Kyber taught you any manners yet? “…without a teleprompter.” “Love it.” Next personality coming up!
Where the hell is Javelin? What a Target.
Whatever.
What I would love to see (if I had millions I could set it up easily enough) is for a convicted paedophile to convert to Islam, go to Saudi Arabia, “marry”
a nine year old and film his nuptials and wedding night. Distribute the film, arrange for him to be caught and prosecuted. He would have a classic defense, it is not child porn, it is my lawful wedded wife. This things are just simmering below the surface in the public mind, a nice big public trial would bring it right to the forefront and wake up thousands.
1. Sexual abuse of children is a big problem throughout the world, throughout history.
2. What Moho and the other liberals here are missing is that Warren Jeffs is headed to prison. What he and his followers were doing was unlawful, and while there were problems at first prosecuting the case (because FLDS members so dominate local politics in two counties), justice was finally pursued. What goes on in Saudi Arabia–and Yemen–is actually completely legal. And that’s the big difference.
3. An interesting reason why Christianity went from a tiny cult to majority of the Roman Empire in less than 300 years is directly tied to this. The Roman Empire allowed marriage (with sex) of 12 year olds–and there was no penalty for marrying them younger, and having sex with them younger. This did enormous physical damage (and probably emotional damage) to young girls, who in many cases were not as physically mature as 12 year olds are today. By comparison, early Christianity strongly discouraged such early marriages, and strongly encouraged the view that women should play a part in the marriage decision. (Women in the early Christian church were held in much higher regard than in pagan society.) This, plus Christianity’s opposition to prostitution, abortion, adultery, homosexuality (liberalism’s primary form of sexual worship), oral sex, and anal sex, meant that Christians were reproducing like bunny rabbits–while pagan Roman society was having such problems that from Augustus onward, there are penalties and rewards to encourage large families–and yet the Empire still kept shrinking!
The future belongs to those who reproduce. Raping children is both immoral and generally counterproductive.
skeeziks is just another leftist salad tossing pederast. Also a green, great recycler since no on IT knows needs to use toilet tissue. Keep on feces-feeding, rectal breath.
Yea, but you are not really talking about “rape rape”.
6. skeeziks: Feb.19, 20010 – 7:19 You are confounding Christianity with the Christian Religion. The Christian Religion exists because People do not know what the Bible actually teaches. The same goes for the so-called moderate Muslim; he does not know what the Koran actually teaches. Islam would not exist if the people knew the truth. Religions are built on lies and fables. Christianity teaches and commands the highest regard and standard for women; because the husband is to “love his wife, even as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it.”
18. aviodswork: says, the bible teaches rape, fact is that the bible teaches that a rapist be removed from the living. You also do not know what the Bible teaches. To know the difference read the article “The difference between the Christian Religion and true Christianity” on this website – http://pillaroftruth.com.au
2000 years do not make void the word of God, but the tradition of men does.
39. Furthermore, the Bible encourages married couples to have sex as much as they want, with the only restrictions being: keep sex between husband and wife, do not harm or take advantage of one another, treat sex as a serious matter and make it as pleasurable as possible for both spouses. Other than that, be as kinky as you want, as often as you want.
In the unlikely event that this prospect appealed to me, I doubt I would qualify for official recognition from the saudi family … sorry, “government”.
ciccio:
“What I would love to see (if I had millions I could set it up easily enough) …. He would have a classic defense, it is not child porn, it is my lawful wedded wife”
If he was australian, he’d still go to the clink if he ever tried to return (or wandered somewhere we could pick him up). We don’t put up with our citizens breaking that particular australian law no matter where they do it, and I doubt very much that a “marriage” would slow our federal police down very much.
There is obviously something fundamentally broken about a grown man who wants to have sex with a girl that young. I “get” that young girls can be attractive. Youth is indeed worshipped as the ideal for women, and I’m not immune to that. For girls of 18, it’s just inappropriate, though (and slightly maladjusted) – but for girls much younger than that, it’s something else entirely. To me, the idea of finding a girl of 12 attractive is utterly ridiculous. It’s just not even possible. That’s not even prudishness talking – children are just not sexy. I don’t get it.
@39 Clayton Cramer:
Indeed. Christians, with the example of the Blessed Virgin in mind, have long protected women better than other faiths. Catholics in particular are noted for the honor and protective regard we show to women.
A GUARANTEE FROM YOUR LOCAL OUTSPOKEN CATHOLIC: Someone will now claim we’re horrible misogynistic sexists because 1) women can’t be ordained as priests, and 2) Catholic doctrine absolutely forbids abortion. The first is a personnel policy of the Church, which has as much right to its own policies as any other organization; the second is a reverence for innocent life that needs no defense. All the same, starting the countdown: 5…4…3…2…1…
I quite agree with Matthew #45, that is not the point. The point is that most people do not know that this is the Islam they so loudly defend nor will they accept that this is the law in the land of their staunch ally Saudi Arabia, that according to just about all countries in the OIC there is nothing wrong.
This is what needs to be shouted from the rooftops, this is Islam, this is what happens in a country that has no constitution but the law of allah.
45. What is inappropriate about 18 year olds getting married, provided they are capable of supporting a family? Do not place a stumbling block in front of these young people. We both rightly condemn forcing girls into so-called marriages (for indeed, it is not a marriage if one is forced into it against one’s own will), but what business is it of anyone’s that teenagers wish to marry? Indeed, it is not even their parents’ place to stop two teenagers from getting married, provided that the couple is capable of taking care of themselves and any children they may have. The parents ought to point out problems, but it is not their place to prevent their children from getting married because they want their children to wait longer. “For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two become one flesh.”
18 year old girls are not the subject. I could not care less if 18 year olds get married, just so I’m not footin their welfare bills, food, babies, lack of education etc….
At that point the best “cleave” to somethin else..
It’s the girls 1/2 their age that are in danger in the Muslim world.
ciccio @47:
You’re bundling two quite separate groups together. The people who defend saudi arabia as a “staunch ally” are not the same people who go into bat for islam when it’s getting hounded in the media.
Bleeding-heart liberals have never had any problem criticizing saudi arabia. It’s a misogynist kleptocracy. It’s the pro-defense conservatives who prefer to gloss over the kingdom’s problems. Feminists were attacking the record of the saudis and the taliban well before it became fashionable on the right.
In any case, I don’t think there are too many on either side who defend saudi arabia’s human rights record these days. They’re a supplier of oil, and as such we pretty much have to put up with them. The alternative is to invade and throw out most of the population. Not a cost-effective strategy, I’m sure you’ll agree.
“The point is that most people do not know that this is the Islam they so loudly defend”
Oh, I think they do. But it’s not really “islam” that’s the problem – it’s cultural systems that haven’t evolved. There are modernized muslim countries that don’t have any time at all for child marriage. Sure, you can argue that it’s allowed by islam – but it’s also allowed by judaism, but you won’t be seeing it occurring in israel. Child marriage is WAY more common in (hindu) india than it is in the middle-east – but I don’t see any threads on this blog about that. It’s also a serious problem in africa – again, not a mention of that here.
Both the article and the comments were quite illuminating but with the emphasis only on young girls the homosexual fascination with young boys seems to be ignored, and that is not a predominant feature of Islam, or is it?
In regards to Midiki’s 51st Comment: Yes you are right my friend in terms of the homosexual dynamic that exists in the Islamic world — and it also takes on pathological forms within the context of Islamic misogyny. I write about this in my article Boys of the Taliban. http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=852
To #6 skeeziks:
You state: “Christian parents denying children medical treatment in favor of faith healing. . . in essence, choosing ti kill their own children.”
There are very, very few crazy, unbalanced people who do such an insane thing. I have never met anybody who does that and no one I know has either. To claim that this is something that Christians do is absolutely ridiculous, and of course, it is NOT in the Bible!
MUSLIM EGYPT KIDNAPS CHRISTIANS
The world is shamefully silent over the Egyptian government and Saudi Arabia involvement in the kidnapping of Christian Egyptian girls in Egypt. Kidnapped Christian female children are violently converted to Islam and forcibly married/raped to adult Muslim males.
Does the uncaring, mainstream media not report this because telling the truth about Islam would make Islam look bad? Protecting Islam is considered more important by Western mainstream media and government leaders than protecting the lives of desperate, defenseless innocent children!
ASSYRIAN INTERNATIONAL NEWS AGENCY
8-11-2009
Abduction and Forced Islamization of Christian Coptic Girls Continues in Egypt
(AINA) — The systematic abduction and forced Islamization of Coptic minor girls in Egypt is a frequent, dangerous and a rapidly escalating phenomenon. Coptic Pope Shenouda III, December 17th, 197: “there is pressure being practiced to convert Coptic girls to embrace Islam and marry them under terror to Muslim husbands” and demanded that the abducted girls be brought back to their families.
Abductions are done in cooperation between Saudi-funded associations and the Egyptian State Security.
…in the majority of cases, the State Security is the one who masterminds the kidnapping plans.”
http://www.aina.org/news/20090811125748.htm
The U.S. gifts Egypt with 2.2 billion dollars every year.
‘He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.’ Bible, Exodus 21:16
Saudi authorities shred all Bibles found on anyone at the airport in Saudi Arabia. Bibles that contain the unchangeable laws of G-D.
Long ago, Egypt was a Christian country invaded by Arab Muslims. The fate of a country invaded by Muslims is horrifying. Many centuries after the cruel Muslim conquest, Christian females are regarded by the modern-day Muslim Egyptian government, as booty to be seized and horribly abused.
See: Abduction and Forced Islamization of Christian Coptic Girls Continues in Egypt
http://www.aina.org/news/20090811125748.htm
Christian in Egypt: “They Try to Kill Us” Fox news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xicHP-S5Bqg&feature=player_embedded
Coptic Christians Protest for Freedom and Equality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh2KA1FfAPg&feature=response_watch
STOP VIOLENCE AGAINST COPTS IN EGYPT.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu2I6Jwhg5E&NR=1
Copts Under Siege 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix5OU6lLQNw&feature=related
Copts Under Siege 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9qKPN6Py0o&NR=1
GLORIFYING the MURDER of INNOCENTS: Jihad is an obligation in Islam!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreXb6yxJsE&feature=player_embedded
skeeziks:
“If the practice is evil, then those who practice it are EVIL! And if they practice this evil in the name of religion, then their religion is EVIL. Therefore, Christianity is Evil!”
That’s completely ridiculous. What if somebody blows up a government building in (in their opinion) the name of “liberty”. Is liberty therefore evil?
Pretty much everything stupid is done “in the name of” something that sounds good – at least to the perpetrator.
NBC Video- Pedophile rabbi caught red handed
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.german/browse_thread/thread/732a024ca8b30b91
Case of Rabbi Lewis Brenner (Convicted of child molestation. The original
charges included 14 counts of sodomy, sexual abuse and endangering the
welfare of a child. He agreed to plead guilty to one count of sodomy in the
third degree, a Class E felony, in exchange for a sentence of five years’
probation.)
The origins of the Anti-Defamation League of the B’nai Brith
The ADL: An Angel Of Death
Remembering the Murder of Mary Phagan
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/Leo_Frank/Martin.html
The origins of the Anti-Defamation League of the B’nai Brith
The ADL: An Angel Of Death
Remembering the Murder of Mary Phagan
by Mark Franklin
“Since [the ADL's] founding in 1913, you have been an angel on America’s shoulder, summing us to our highest ideas.” — Al Gore, May 9, 2000
THERE has been an angel on America’s shoulders since the ADL was founded in 1913, but it is not the ADL. Rather, it is Mary Phagan, a beautiful young girl.
You see, Mary Phagan is probably the reason for the ADL’s very existence. If you haven’t heard of her, it’s likely because it is the ADL’s dark, little secret — a secret so dark that they wish they could forget it. But it is still there, and forever will be; for it is a secret born in blood.
Back in the early 1900s, before the Jewish secret society B’nai B’rith (which means something like “Brotherhood of the Chosen” to its Hebrew membership) formed its sub-group, the ADL, there existed a Jewish man by the name of Leo Frank. Frank was president of a pencil company, where the child Mary Phagan worked, and also head of a chapter of B’nai B’rith.
Leo Frank murdered the young girl Mary Phagan. The ADL was formed shortly thereafter by B’nai B’rith. Many feel that the ADL’s purpose at the time was essentially damage control — to hide the fact that a prominent member of the Jewish occult murdered a Gentile child in cold blood.
The story is best expressed by John Carson. He wrote “The Ballad of Mary Phagan.” It goes like this:
Little Mary Phagan went to town one day, And went to the pencil factory to see the big parade. She left home at eleven, And kissed her mother goodbye, Not one time did the poor child think that she was going to die. Leo Frank met her, with a brutal heart we know, He smiled and said, “Little Mary, Now you will go home no more.” He sneaked along behind her, Till she reached the metal room, He laughed and said, “Little Mary, you have met your fatal doom.” She fell upon her knees, and to Leo Frank she pled, He took this stick from the trash pile And hit her across the head. The tears rolled down her rosy cheeks, While the blood flowed down her back, But still she remembered telling her mother What time she would be back. He killed little Mary Phagan — – it was on a holiday — And he called on Jim Conley to take her body away. He took her to the basement, She was bound hand and feet, And down in the basement little Mary lay asleep.”
THAT is the ADL’s dark, little secret: B’nai B’rith chapter head Leo Frank was found guilty by a jury of the murder of little Mary Phagan. An objective book that researches the matter is called “The Murder of Little Mary Phagan,” which was written by a distant relative of Mary Phagan with the same name in 1987. (See http://www.addall.com if curious about it.) Because it is objective, most Jewish reviewers hate it, often frothing at the mouth when they hear its name and spewing lies to distort its attempt for truth.
Some believe that the young Mary Phagan’s murder may have been occult-related. It occurred about the same time a Russian court determined that Andrei Youshchinsky was murdered by Jews for occult purposes.
Youshchinsky’s murder was determined to have occurred in a synagogue located on a Jewish-owned brick company’s property that only employed Jews, though the Russian court could not determine who were the ones responsible, as many Jews from outlying areas had apparently participated in the ritual.
Menachem Mendel Beiliss was tried for the case, but the court could not determine for certain that he was the one who wielded the knife. He was found innocent after some unusual circumstances: Several witnesses either died of unnatural causes (two children were poisoned), were bribed (several people attested to money being offered them), or mysteriously vanished off the face of the earth before the trial. Jews now say that the court’s findings were wrong — that Youshchinsky’s murder was a mere frame-up and that Jews had nothing to do with it.
IN the Mary Phagan case, despite clear evidence, Jews also still clamor that Frank was innocent; that the court was wrong. They say that white southern racists convicted him because he was an innocent white Jew, and let the true guilty black man go free in order to persecute the white Jew. (Everyone knows how southern racist whites like to let free black child killers, just so that white Jews can be wrongly convicted of crimes? Such is the logic of the ADL.) Frank went through appeals and lost. In fact, the case was an open and shut one, with the evidence in the matter being overwhelming.
Nevertheless, Jewish supremacists in the ADL and elsewhere still say that he was wrongly convicted. They continue to put money in politicians’ pockets and others who will stand up for the child murderer Frank’s honor. Something like 70 years after the fact, they got a governor to pardon Frank (with the pardon expressly noting that it had nothing to do with his guilt).
In fact, one cannot be pardoned without having first committed a crime (Clinton will tell you that.) An old man desperate for some life-saving devices, who suddenly got the money for such (from whom?), suddenly “remembered” things and tried to vindicate Frank something like 70 years after the fact.
Yet, the cold hard facts are still there: B’nai B’rith chapter head and Jewish occult member Leo Frank murdered the little Gentile girl Mary Phagan. And the ADL’s purpose at the time, as many today feel, was simply damage control and hiding this terrible fact.
This is the terrible truth of the ADL’s birth, a birth made in blood.
May Rest In Peace. God bless her.
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I was trying really hard to write down my reaction but I just can’t put it in words. I can only say shame on you saudi arabia shame on you america.