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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-393268</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14.  &quot;It must truly outrage you idiots that smearing someone as a communist is simply not enough to ruin somebody’s career in this day and age.&quot;
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It&#039;s not a smear.  It&#039;s the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14.  &#8220;It must truly outrage you idiots that smearing someone as a communist is simply not enough to ruin somebody’s career in this day and age.&#8221;<br />
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It&#8217;s not a smear.  It&#8217;s the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-393210</link>
		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;@140. MJBrutus:&lt;/b&gt; - LGF?&lt;/i&gt;

Heh. You can find an excellent collection of articles and comment discussion about the ongoing meltdown at LGF &lt;a href=&quot;http://ace.mu.nu/archives/291912.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (also scan the archives for other info).

LGF has become the mirror image of dKos - dissent in the ranks and reasoned discourse that calls the site management&#039;s judgment into question in any way is not tolerated, as you&#039;ve discovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>@140. MJBrutus:</b> &#8211; LGF?</i></p>
<p>Heh. You can find an excellent collection of articles and comment discussion about the ongoing meltdown at LGF <a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/291912.php" rel="nofollow">here</a> (also scan the archives for other info).</p>
<p>LGF has become the mirror image of dKos &#8211; dissent in the ranks and reasoned discourse that calls the site management&#8217;s judgment into question in any way is not tolerated, as you&#8217;ve discovered.</p>
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		<title>By: MJBrutus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-393125</link>
		<dc:creator>MJBrutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone else here been following the conversation at LGF?  Charles has been making hay over the weakness of the &quot;Jones is a Troofer&quot; meme.  It&#039;s been part of a continuing evolution of his commentary.  No, I&#039;m not saying the he&#039;s gone Huffington or anything, but what I am seeing is a steady campaign to disassociate his views from &quot;birthers&quot;, &quot;Paulians&quot; and other kooks.  He has taken great pains to avoid Obama Derangement Syndrome.

All of this is laudable, except that he has been way over doing it, IMHO.  (Disclosure:  I was banned from posting at LGF some time back because I disagreed, civilly with him about the Tea Party movement being a productive exercise in democracy).  There is certainly a danger, and one to which many have succombed, in nut-jobbery in criticizing the Obama administration, but to defend Van Jones is well beyond the pale.  This is a man who has never met a scurrilous, slacious anti-Conserative lie he didn&#039;t love (including Trooferism).  This is a man who is clearly a bigot and seeks to destroy capitalism and this country for the sake of revenge against the &quot;white devil.&quot;  Most worrisome, I find his views to be in accord with many of our President&#039;s closest friends and advisers fo long-standing.  I find it disturbing the LGF would take the path it has on this and several other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone else here been following the conversation at LGF?  Charles has been making hay over the weakness of the &#8220;Jones is a Troofer&#8221; meme.  It&#8217;s been part of a continuing evolution of his commentary.  No, I&#8217;m not saying the he&#8217;s gone Huffington or anything, but what I am seeing is a steady campaign to disassociate his views from &#8220;birthers&#8221;, &#8220;Paulians&#8221; and other kooks.  He has taken great pains to avoid Obama Derangement Syndrome.</p>
<p>All of this is laudable, except that he has been way over doing it, IMHO.  (Disclosure:  I was banned from posting at LGF some time back because I disagreed, civilly with him about the Tea Party movement being a productive exercise in democracy).  There is certainly a danger, and one to which many have succombed, in nut-jobbery in criticizing the Obama administration, but to defend Van Jones is well beyond the pale.  This is a man who has never met a scurrilous, slacious anti-Conserative lie he didn&#8217;t love (including Trooferism).  This is a man who is clearly a bigot and seeks to destroy capitalism and this country for the sake of revenge against the &#8220;white devil.&#8221;  Most worrisome, I find his views to be in accord with many of our President&#8217;s closest friends and advisers fo long-standing.  I find it disturbing the LGF would take the path it has on this and several other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-392909</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting elaboration here

Valerie Jarrett (ex daughter in law of Vernon Jarrett) is the big promoter of Van Jones, she was thrilled to capture his genius and all that.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-file-78-smoking-gun-proof-that.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tangled Webs&lt;/a&gt;

Also, more background on dear Van...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/LoudonrprtJones.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Anthony (Van) Jones Scandal&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting elaboration here</p>
<p>Valerie Jarrett (ex daughter in law of Vernon Jarrett) is the big promoter of Van Jones, she was thrilled to capture his genius and all that.</p>
<p><a href="http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-file-78-smoking-gun-proof-that.html" rel="nofollow">Tangled Webs</a></p>
<p>Also, more background on dear Van&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/LoudonrprtJones.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Anthony (Van) Jones Scandal</a></p>
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		<title>By: frank grimes</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-392746</link>
		<dc:creator>frank grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>137.nutbucket:it was ME....well not JUST me-someone would have to be crazy to believe that-and i&#039;ll being seeing YOU real soon.

i am aware of your counter-measures,and they are pedestrian at best.don&#039;t bother trying to run.....i can simply track with eschlon via the chip implanted in your jaw...go ahead,try digging it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>137.nutbucket:it was ME&#8230;.well not JUST me-someone would have to be crazy to believe that-and i&#8217;ll being seeing YOU real soon.</p>
<p>i am aware of your counter-measures,and they are pedestrian at best.don&#8217;t bother trying to run&#8230;..i can simply track with eschlon via the chip implanted in your jaw&#8230;go ahead,try digging it out.</p>
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		<title>By: NanoNano</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-392395</link>
		<dc:creator>NanoNano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google Nano Thermite 911 ; This is the best evidence to support inside job demolition of the twin towers and building 7. There is no question that there is nano-thermite in all the dust from the demo. No Question. Perfect chips of nano-thermite all over in it. Military Grade Nano-Thermite. Hmm Military Grade; go figure. Van Jones was right about 9/11 being a demolition anyways; now we just need to find out exactly WHO placed all that NANO-THERMITE throughout the buildings from top to bottom; floor to floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Nano Thermite 911 ; This is the best evidence to support inside job demolition of the twin towers and building 7. There is no question that there is nano-thermite in all the dust from the demo. No Question. Perfect chips of nano-thermite all over in it. Military Grade Nano-Thermite. Hmm Military Grade; go figure. Van Jones was right about 9/11 being a demolition anyways; now we just need to find out exactly WHO placed all that NANO-THERMITE throughout the buildings from top to bottom; floor to floor.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-red-green-czar-is-a-truther-too/#comment-391894</link>
		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://minx.cc/?blog=86&amp;post=291880&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ruh-roh&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://minx.cc/?blog=86&amp;post=291880" rel="nofollow">Ruh-roh</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AP is reporting that Jones has resigned accusing his detractors of vicious smears.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jjHS8S3jIndU2oI6WHB_KqB-pvwAD9AHJBMG1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AP is reporting that Jones has resigned accusing his detractors of vicious smears.<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jjHS8S3jIndU2oI6WHB_KqB-pvwAD9AHJBMG1" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jjHS8S3jIndU2oI6WHB_KqB-pvwAD9AHJBMG1</a></p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 03:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;@132. Moho:&lt;/b&gt; - I’ll simply leave you with the words of James Madison ...&lt;/i&gt;

You left out the most critical part and have thereby intentionally misrepresented Madison&#039;s point.

Madison was making an observation about the realities of faction, and government&#039;s responsibility in light of that reality. He was NOT making a value judgment about the unequal distribution of property but rather recognizing that it is a fact of life.

To wit, in the very next sentence, which you either dishonestly left out, or which was simply omitted in the talking point memo you &lt;i&gt;regurgipasted&lt;/i&gt; (but never verified, indicating that you&#039;ve never even &lt;i&gt;read&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Federalist 10&lt;/a&gt;), Madison GOES ON to end his paragraph and make his point [all emph. mine]:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;The regulation of these various and interfering interests &lt;i&gt;forms the principal task of modern legislation&lt;/i&gt;, and involves the spirit of party and faction in the necessary and ordinary operations of the government.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Per Madison - who was obviously infinitely smarter than you - it&#039;s government&#039;s task to legislate IN LIGHT OF the realities imposed by faction, which will ALWAYS exist, and are sometimes caused by unequal distribution of property (among many other things).

How do we know Madison considers faction (and unequal distribution of property) a fact of life? Because a little further down, he goes on to state this fact outright:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;The inference to which we are brought is, that &lt;i&gt;the CAUSES of faction cannot be removed&lt;/i&gt;, and that relief is only to be sought in the means of controlling its EFFECTS.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Unequal distribution of property is a CAUSE of faction, not an EFFECT. Therefore, Madison is explicitly saying EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you&#039;re trying to suggest by cherry-picking his quote and leaving out his actual point.

Why is it that morally adolescent, leftist ideologues can never argue a point without lying?

Nice try, nimrod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>@132. Moho:</b> &#8211; I’ll simply leave you with the words of James Madison &#8230;</i></p>
<p>You left out the most critical part and have thereby intentionally misrepresented Madison&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>Madison was making an observation about the realities of faction, and government&#8217;s responsibility in light of that reality. He was NOT making a value judgment about the unequal distribution of property but rather recognizing that it is a fact of life.</p>
<p>To wit, in the very next sentence, which you either dishonestly left out, or which was simply omitted in the talking point memo you <i>regurgipasted</i> (but never verified, indicating that you&#8217;ve never even <i>read</i> <a href="http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm" rel="nofollow">Federalist 10</a>), Madison GOES ON to end his paragraph and make his point [all emph. mine]:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The regulation of these various and interfering interests <i>forms the principal task of modern legislation</i>, and involves the spirit of party and faction in the necessary and ordinary operations of the government.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Per Madison &#8211; who was obviously infinitely smarter than you &#8211; it&#8217;s government&#8217;s task to legislate IN LIGHT OF the realities imposed by faction, which will ALWAYS exist, and are sometimes caused by unequal distribution of property (among many other things).</p>
<p>How do we know Madison considers faction (and unequal distribution of property) a fact of life? Because a little further down, he goes on to state this fact outright:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The inference to which we are brought is, that <i>the CAUSES of faction cannot be removed</i>, and that relief is only to be sought in the means of controlling its EFFECTS.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Unequal distribution of property is a CAUSE of faction, not an EFFECT. Therefore, Madison is explicitly saying EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you&#8217;re trying to suggest by cherry-picking his quote and leaving out his actual point.</p>
<p>Why is it that morally adolescent, leftist ideologues can never argue a point without lying?</p>
<p>Nice try, nimrod.</p>
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		<title>By: gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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