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		<title>By: Adan Bennage</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-1829009</link>
		<dc:creator>Adan Bennage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 12:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-69595</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Honestly, I was. What I lacked, however, was an abiding desire for control. I never wanted to control other people’s lives. Honestly, I never wanted anything for myself.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s pretty much the bottom line, the difference between those who would orchestrate your existence and a person simply trying to figure &quot;it&quot; all out.

People today have become brainwashed into the notion that the nanny state &quot;cares&quot; about them and also will &quot;care&quot; for them.  

It is a total lie propagated by power and control mongers.  It has happened many times before in the brief interlude of life on Earth known as &quot;human&quot; history.  

Thomas Jefferson (and all the individuals whose main intent in designing the Constitution was protection &lt;b&gt;from&lt;/b&gt; &quot;the state&quot; itself) had no illusions...

&lt;i&gt;A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.&lt;/i&gt;

~Thomas Jefferson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Honestly, I was. What I lacked, however, was an abiding desire for control. I never wanted to control other people’s lives. Honestly, I never wanted anything for myself.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much the bottom line, the difference between those who would orchestrate your existence and a person simply trying to figure &#8220;it&#8221; all out.</p>
<p>People today have become brainwashed into the notion that the nanny state &#8220;cares&#8221; about them and also will &#8220;care&#8221; for them.  </p>
<p>It is a total lie propagated by power and control mongers.  It has happened many times before in the brief interlude of life on Earth known as &#8220;human&#8221; history.  </p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson (and all the individuals whose main intent in designing the Constitution was protection <b>from</b> &#8220;the state&#8221; itself) had no illusions&#8230;</p>
<p><i>A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.</i></p>
<p>~Thomas Jefferson</p>
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		<title>By: Koblog</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-68715</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a morally relativistic world, how can lying be condemned any more than any other &quot;sin?&quot; After all, there is no sin. 

With no basis for right and wrong, lying of any sort should not only be accepted as &quot;normal&quot; but actually praised if one&#039;s personal goal is met.

So what if Bush lied? Who are you to condemn him? Who cares? What is Truth, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a morally relativistic world, how can lying be condemned any more than any other &#8220;sin?&#8221; After all, there is no sin. </p>
<p>With no basis for right and wrong, lying of any sort should not only be accepted as &#8220;normal&#8221; but actually praised if one&#8217;s personal goal is met.</p>
<p>So what if Bush lied? Who are you to condemn him? Who cares? What is Truth, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-68182</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duranty told the truth about what was happening in the USSR, when he was debriefed by British intelligence. Of course, they might have been in a position to know if he was lying. I&#039;ve noticed that sometimes makes a startling difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duranty told the truth about what was happening in the USSR, when he was debriefed by British intelligence. Of course, they might have been in a position to know if he was lying. I&#8217;ve noticed that sometimes makes a startling difference.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-68087</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tanstaafl,

Really good site you&#039;ve linked above.  Very interesting stuff.  I hope others check it out as well, particularly those who are Left-of-center.  The most amazing thing I encounter today, in everyday face to face meetings with people in the non-blog world as well in the blog world, is the fact that so many young people are not aware that socialism is a failure everywhere it has been tried.  I certainly do not consider the kind of &quot;third way&quot; socialism of Western Europe to be a success:  not with stubbornly high unemployment for years, stagnant living standards, and a state that is increasingly interfering in people&#039;s lives.  I&#039;m not saying that everything in Europe is gloomy:  they have their successes too.  Yet, overall they are even hard-pressed to provide employment for the hordes of Muslim immigrants who are in Europe&#039;s slums and ethnic ghettos.

Is this a model for us?  I hardly think so.  Yet, so much of our under-40 crowd is incredibly ill-informed about Marxist ideas seeping into our ways of seeing the role of government.  I almost ended up being an academic who would quite possibly have been, when appropriate, pushing this agenda for at least part of my career.  I think I would have evolved away from socialist thought eventually had I become an academic and a priest.  For me the really significant fork in the road occurred when I began reading articles about neuroscience, as touching on human behavior and the presence of very complicated failures of integration in the human mind.  The most extreme dysfunction leading to socio-pathology.  Literally, this signifies the very material, organic presence of EVIL in our midst.  I discovered that evil has an organic basis that is not always caused by poor parenting and trauma.  Most of the time we can point towards family dysfunctionality as affecting the child&#039;s development.  But every now and then something hideous appears in our midst from generally very good parents.  There is no explaining it.  It has an organic basis and is a spiritual-cosmic drama which we are powerless before.

For me this was the destruction of my last attachment to utopian thought.  There is no possibility that socialism will lead to the ever-increasing moral perfection of the human race.  This life in this dimension will never be our home and is tragically flawed.  That does not mean that there is not goodness, beauty, altruism, love, compassion, truth, and justice to be had here in this life.  We certainly can eke it out of this existence.  All socialism is premised on the moral quest for the perfection of society.  That&#039;s an illusion that can never happen in this life.  As a Christian, I call it the effects of original sin.  Others may find some other concept to explain it.

These kids today are not steeped enough in the intense intellectual quest for truth that drove me.  For sure, I was also motivated by a sincere concern for those left out - the poor, the marginalized, the &quot;undesirables.&quot;  Honestly, I was.  What I lacked, however, was an abiding desire for control.  I never wanted to control other people&#039;s lives.  Honestly, I never wanted anything for myself.  Anyway... without a passion to explore ideas logically, rationally, and with an eye towards the legitimate critiques from the other side these kids do not go deeply enough and wide enough into the sweep of history and the conflicts of ideas down through over two thousand years of Western civilization.  Nor are the educational venues they come out of honestly open and free about that larger discussion, since conservatives and their ideas have been banished from academia.  I never would have agreed to collaborate in the latter effect.  I always believed in academic freedom and, when I was a graduate assistant, never penalized students whose ideas differed from mine.  Sadly, this is not happening today.  It is to the detriment of our young people and their intellectual formation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tanstaafl,</p>
<p>Really good site you&#8217;ve linked above.  Very interesting stuff.  I hope others check it out as well, particularly those who are Left-of-center.  The most amazing thing I encounter today, in everyday face to face meetings with people in the non-blog world as well in the blog world, is the fact that so many young people are not aware that socialism is a failure everywhere it has been tried.  I certainly do not consider the kind of &#8220;third way&#8221; socialism of Western Europe to be a success:  not with stubbornly high unemployment for years, stagnant living standards, and a state that is increasingly interfering in people&#8217;s lives.  I&#8217;m not saying that everything in Europe is gloomy:  they have their successes too.  Yet, overall they are even hard-pressed to provide employment for the hordes of Muslim immigrants who are in Europe&#8217;s slums and ethnic ghettos.</p>
<p>Is this a model for us?  I hardly think so.  Yet, so much of our under-40 crowd is incredibly ill-informed about Marxist ideas seeping into our ways of seeing the role of government.  I almost ended up being an academic who would quite possibly have been, when appropriate, pushing this agenda for at least part of my career.  I think I would have evolved away from socialist thought eventually had I become an academic and a priest.  For me the really significant fork in the road occurred when I began reading articles about neuroscience, as touching on human behavior and the presence of very complicated failures of integration in the human mind.  The most extreme dysfunction leading to socio-pathology.  Literally, this signifies the very material, organic presence of EVIL in our midst.  I discovered that evil has an organic basis that is not always caused by poor parenting and trauma.  Most of the time we can point towards family dysfunctionality as affecting the child&#8217;s development.  But every now and then something hideous appears in our midst from generally very good parents.  There is no explaining it.  It has an organic basis and is a spiritual-cosmic drama which we are powerless before.</p>
<p>For me this was the destruction of my last attachment to utopian thought.  There is no possibility that socialism will lead to the ever-increasing moral perfection of the human race.  This life in this dimension will never be our home and is tragically flawed.  That does not mean that there is not goodness, beauty, altruism, love, compassion, truth, and justice to be had here in this life.  We certainly can eke it out of this existence.  All socialism is premised on the moral quest for the perfection of society.  That&#8217;s an illusion that can never happen in this life.  As a Christian, I call it the effects of original sin.  Others may find some other concept to explain it.</p>
<p>These kids today are not steeped enough in the intense intellectual quest for truth that drove me.  For sure, I was also motivated by a sincere concern for those left out &#8211; the poor, the marginalized, the &#8220;undesirables.&#8221;  Honestly, I was.  What I lacked, however, was an abiding desire for control.  I never wanted to control other people&#8217;s lives.  Honestly, I never wanted anything for myself.  Anyway&#8230; without a passion to explore ideas logically, rationally, and with an eye towards the legitimate critiques from the other side these kids do not go deeply enough and wide enough into the sweep of history and the conflicts of ideas down through over two thousand years of Western civilization.  Nor are the educational venues they come out of honestly open and free about that larger discussion, since conservatives and their ideas have been banished from academia.  I never would have agreed to collaborate in the latter effect.  I always believed in academic freedom and, when I was a graduate assistant, never penalized students whose ideas differed from mine.  Sadly, this is not happening today.  It is to the detriment of our young people and their intellectual formation.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-68034</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not far-fetched to view the liberal mind from the point of view of pathology.   

This writer has been a board-certified clinical psychiatrist for over 35 years and he &quot;...has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libertymind.com/index.php?page_id=257&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not far-fetched to view the liberal mind from the point of view of pathology.   </p>
<p>This writer has been a board-certified clinical psychiatrist for over 35 years and he &#8220;&#8230;has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.libertymind.com/index.php?page_id=257" rel="nofollow">The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness</a></p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-68015</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They did not want anyone to know WHO was really organizing their protests and who was networking and unifying the organizations.&lt;/i&gt;

This is very typical of the modus operandi of George Soros and his tangle of organizations which operate just below the horizon of transparency.

If you see an ad (such as the recent (distortion) where the young mother tells John McCain he can&#039;t have her young son Alex for 100 years of war in Iraq or last fall&#039;s full page NYTimes ad demeaning General Petraeus), look around for Soros money and sponsorship.

When you see organized protests and acting out (e.g., the Code Pink protests in Congressional hearings), these people aren&#039;t operating in a vacuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They did not want anyone to know WHO was really organizing their protests and who was networking and unifying the organizations.</i></p>
<p>This is very typical of the modus operandi of George Soros and his tangle of organizations which operate just below the horizon of transparency.</p>
<p>If you see an ad (such as the recent (distortion) where the young mother tells John McCain he can&#8217;t have her young son Alex for 100 years of war in Iraq or last fall&#8217;s full page NYTimes ad demeaning General Petraeus), look around for Soros money and sponsorship.</p>
<p>When you see organized protests and acting out (e.g., the Code Pink protests in Congressional hearings), these people aren&#8217;t operating in a vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-67760</link>
		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, please continue to speak out and share your story.

America needs to hear you. Your words carry weight ours never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, please continue to speak out and share your story.</p>
<p>America needs to hear you. Your words carry weight ours never will.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-67737</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a former Marxist.  I studied its ideology from the classical texts of Marx and Engels down through the Frankfurt School theoreticians and Antonio Gramsci.  I&#039;ve studied Liberation Theology too.  I aspired to be a theologian/philosopher to try to find a &quot;third way&quot; socialism that was faithful to traditional ethics and also avoided the pitfalls of poor economic policy that plagues every socialist failure.  Admittedly, I was more of the bookish type and was not very deeply anchored in the activist Left, but I did get involved as much as my studies in college and later the seminary would allow.  So, I got to know the Left very, very well.  Let me state that expediency trumps honesty among the movers and shakers of socialism, &quot;progressivism,&quot; and Marxism.  For starters, they deceive people as to who they are.  I was even told by activist leaders to avoid discussing anything intellectual about Marxism with new members of their organizations and with reporters.  They did not want anyone to know WHO was really organizing their protests and who was networking and unifying the organizations.  We were supposed to parrot the dumb talking points, slogans, and carry the signs with pre-approved messages full of cant about &quot;peace&quot; and ending U.S. imperialism in the Third World.  Moreover, Marxists like me who retained their Christian heritage were looked down on and regarded with suspicion.

Over time I also took the conservatives&#039; critiques of socialism seriously and I looked into how things REALLY were in socialist countries.  The evidence of lies just kept piling up to the point where my mental in box of cognitive dissonance was too much to ignore.

Lying and expediency are quite natural to the Left.  I&#039;m not saying that there is a complete absence of it on the Right.  Clearly there isn&#039;t.  However, like Muslims and taqiyya, Leftists and expediency in the service of the revolution are inseparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a former Marxist.  I studied its ideology from the classical texts of Marx and Engels down through the Frankfurt School theoreticians and Antonio Gramsci.  I&#8217;ve studied Liberation Theology too.  I aspired to be a theologian/philosopher to try to find a &#8220;third way&#8221; socialism that was faithful to traditional ethics and also avoided the pitfalls of poor economic policy that plagues every socialist failure.  Admittedly, I was more of the bookish type and was not very deeply anchored in the activist Left, but I did get involved as much as my studies in college and later the seminary would allow.  So, I got to know the Left very, very well.  Let me state that expediency trumps honesty among the movers and shakers of socialism, &#8220;progressivism,&#8221; and Marxism.  For starters, they deceive people as to who they are.  I was even told by activist leaders to avoid discussing anything intellectual about Marxism with new members of their organizations and with reporters.  They did not want anyone to know WHO was really organizing their protests and who was networking and unifying the organizations.  We were supposed to parrot the dumb talking points, slogans, and carry the signs with pre-approved messages full of cant about &#8220;peace&#8221; and ending U.S. imperialism in the Third World.  Moreover, Marxists like me who retained their Christian heritage were looked down on and regarded with suspicion.</p>
<p>Over time I also took the conservatives&#8217; critiques of socialism seriously and I looked into how things REALLY were in socialist countries.  The evidence of lies just kept piling up to the point where my mental in box of cognitive dissonance was too much to ignore.</p>
<p>Lying and expediency are quite natural to the Left.  I&#8217;m not saying that there is a complete absence of it on the Right.  Clearly there isn&#8217;t.  However, like Muslims and taqiyya, Leftists and expediency in the service of the revolution are inseparable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-pinocchios-of-the-left/#comment-67474</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The thing about those on the left that I personally find so infuriating is that they’re such hypocrites that they never call one another out for not telling the truth.&quot;

That&#039;s pretty much it.  As for Gore, he&#039;s only &#039;green&#039; for the money, irregardless of any cost to the lower people of the world for any bad policies that may come of it.  The entire &quot;MMGW&quot;  community is also based on lies.  Obama, with a Thomas the Steam Engine campaign, is already getting a taste of the &#039;good life&#039; it offers and falling right in line, and his lemming constituency is eating it up.  What do you expect when the MSM completely ignores the Pelosi administration&#039;s approval rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The thing about those on the left that I personally find so infuriating is that they’re such hypocrites that they never call one another out for not telling the truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much it.  As for Gore, he&#8217;s only &#8216;green&#8217; for the money, irregardless of any cost to the lower people of the world for any bad policies that may come of it.  The entire &#8220;MMGW&#8221;  community is also based on lies.  Obama, with a Thomas the Steam Engine campaign, is already getting a taste of the &#8216;good life&#8217; it offers and falling right in line, and his lemming constituency is eating it up.  What do you expect when the MSM completely ignores the Pelosi administration&#8217;s approval rating.</p>
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