The Palestinian Agenda: End Israel, Not Found a State
What do the Palestinians want? The boilerplate answer is that they want their own state, and as far as this goes, it is certainly true. But the issue is far more complex than such a simple rejoinder would suggest.
The Palestinians could have had their nation as early as 1937, when the Peel Commission recommended partition — a chunk of real estate several times the size of the proposed territory of Israel. But since then, they have squandered every opportunity to acquire and consolidate a legitimate and viable political state. Few observers seem to ask themselves why this should be the case — a question so obvious as to call into doubt either the intelligence or the good faith of those who refuse to consider it. Predictably, this central question is cavalierly brushed aside by those who blame Israel, in the face of well-documented facts, for the stalled negotiations and failure of the soi-disant “peace process.”
Despite plausible misgivings, the Jewish Agency accepted the Peel plan. The Arab delegation rejected it, and such rejection has been standard practice for the Palestinian Arabs and their tribal backers — from the Woodhead Report of 1938 and the United Nations Partition Plan of 1947 (Resolution 181) right up to the present moment. Yasser Arafat turned down Ehud Barak’s overly generous offer at Camp David and Taba. Mahmoud Abbas walked away from Ehud Olmert’s equally magnanimous concessions and continues, to this day, to insist on the usual deal-breakers: non-recognition of Israel as a Jewish state and — the indisputable clincher — the “right of return” of millions of UN-manufactured refugees. In a factually distorted, historically miscontextualized op-ed written for the Guardian on December 10, 2010, Saeb Erekat, the chief negotiator of the Palestinian Authority (PA), made no bones about the issue, demanding the return of seven million people, and, with them, the creation of an overnight Palestinian majority in Israel.
This is a demand that Israel cannot accept without putting itself immediately out of business, as the Palestinians are well aware. Why, after all, do they consistently ignore the historical truth? The millennial Jewish presence? The Arab late arrivals after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire who were then dubbed “Palestinians”? The binding dispensations of international law, beginning with the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 and culminating in Article 80 of the United Nations Charter, establishing the Israeli lien? Indeed, the bloody wars against the fledgling Jewish state, which the Arab states lost? If they honestly seek de jure statehood, why do the Palestinians persist in advancing non-negotiable claims and stipulations which they know perfectly well are absolute nonstarters? Might it be that they have other intentions in mind?
Abba Eban’s famous remark that the Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity is true only to a certain extent, for the acquisition of a state whose people “live side by side” with Israel (the current mantra) is not their primary goal. The opportunity they are looking for involves the abolition of the Jewish state by whatever means they can drum up. The Palestinian state they imagine is not the regional partner that Western diplomats continue blindly to promote, but a state that occupies the entire territory stretching from “the river to the sea.” This is the opportunity they are determined not to miss, and this is why they have wasted every single Ebanesque opportunity they have been presented with. Such favorable occasions were not regarded as opportunities but as checkmates, obstacles to the implementation of their real purposes.
It is true, then, that the Palestinians want a state, but it is not the state that Israel has offered to facilitate and that Western politicians perceive as the gleaming destination at the end of the road map.
The Palestinians want a totalistic entity built on the debris of Israel, bordering Jordan to the east, the Mediterranean to the west, Lebanon to the north, and Egypt to the south. It is also true that they do not want a state, and the state they do not want is Israel — as the Fatah charter, like the Hamas covenant, makes abundantly clear. Neill Lochery justly remarks in Why Blame Israel? that this is the reason they have repudiated every concrete proposal for statehood in the early negotiations when Israel did not yet exist as an internationally recognized nation. That, he writes, “would have led to the establishment of a Jewish state.” The rejectionist position still holds. When Yasser Abed Rabbo, a member of the PLO’s Executive Committee, offered to recognize Israel as a Jewish state on certain (unacceptable) conditions, he was immediately condemned for perpetrating a “national crime,” subjected to calls for his removal from office, and forced to retract.
To accomplish their purpose, the Palestinians will proceed by adopting one or another of various expedients, whether it be the exercise of terror, arson and intifada warfare, the practice of “lawfare” based on the canard of Israeli war crimes, the clever stoking of the international delegitimation of Israel, or the unilateral declaration of statehood with the complicity of the United Nations and the recognition of individual countries in Europe, Latin America and Africa. (Or, all four initiatives together.) Naturally, the unilateral state they envisage would be predicated on the shrunken, pre-war, 1967 borders to which Israel would be compelled to withdraw—despite the fact that these are only armistice lines drawn by a green pencil (hence, the “green line”) having no legal status as borders. They would render Israel effectively defenseless in any major conflict. The graffiti is on the wall, if we would only consent to notice.
With the 1967 borders, the Palestinians will have achieved their preliminary goal, the first step toward establishing a launch site against the continued survival of the rump Jewish state. In the process, they will continue to be abetted materially by the West, which has allowed the Palestinians to set a subliminal agenda that does not involve a compromise resolution but projects ultimate victory. It’s a solid plan with a reasonable chance of success, if Israel does not wake up to the crafty and dangerous game that is being played.
The good news is that Israel seems to be rubbing its eyelids. The new Incitement and Culture of Peace Index compiled by the Israeli government, to quote John Mowbray’s recent Washington Times article, is “filled with examples of the supposedly moderate PA government actively undermining prospects for peace.” Although Abbas stated during a White House visit that he wished Israelis and Palestinians “to live as neighbors and partners forever,” his Arabic message to a Palestinian newspaper was somewhat less commensal. He confided that he had assured the Arab League: “If you want war, and if all of you will fight Israel, we are in favor.” Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority names streets, public squares and buildings after terrorists, indoctrinates its school children in the hatred of Israel, and glorifies “martyrdom” operations against Israeli civilians. The Palestinian calculus should be plain to all who have not yet succumbed to political delusion, cultural anomie or, let us say, to a particular racist pathology targeting Israel and Jews.
Abba Eban was wrong. The Palestinians have not missed an opportunity, since there was no opportunity to miss. On the contrary, they are, and have been for many years, in the process of preparing just such an opportunity, the so-called “strategy of slices” or “phases” embraced by Yasser Arafat to dismantle the Jewish state piece by piece until it disappears from the map. Winston Churchill said that “a pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” One might extend Churchill’s aphorism. With regard to the Palestinians, an opportunist is an optimist who sees the future value in creating difficulties. One thing is certain. The Palestinians are no pessimists.
The ‘Palestinians’ (Jews and Gentiles) allready had their state since mandate times. Read the Chairman of the Permanent Mandates Commission:
“For the Mandates Commission, Palestine had never ceased to constitute a separate entity. It was one of those territories which, under the terms of the Covenant, might be regarded as “provisionally independent”. The country was administered under an A mandate by the United Kingdom, subject to certain conditions and particularly to the condition appearing in Article 5: “The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be . . . in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power”. [...] Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/FD05535118AEF0DE052565ED0065DDF7
And about your other ‘historical truth’ regarding the “Arab late arrivals after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire” probably based on Joan Peters Hoax dishonest propaganda, read this article about her methods to manipulate the mandate sources:
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/world/middle-east/2135-From-Time-Immemorial-The-Origins-the-Arab-Jewish-Conflict-Over-Palestine-Part.html
This is the historical truth based on the sources she manipulated:
“(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE
15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.
16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths. Indeed, the natural rate of increase of Moslem Arabs in Palestine is the highest in recorded statistics, a phenomenon explained by very high fertility rates coupled with a marked decline in death rates as a result of improved conditions of life and public health, The natural rate of increase of Jews is also relatively high, but is conditioned by a favorable age distribution of the population due to the high rate of immigration.”
The only jurisdiction the British had over the “Mandate” was that of a gun which is to say, none. It is the same “jurisdiction” the TSA has to microwave or grope me at airports. Had Americans the resolve to fight back by physically refusing such treatment, then the American people would have jurisdiction; it’s all about power. In the case of the TSA, it is the power that Americans have to behave like sheep.
The only thing the Palinazis will accomplish with this is getting themselves, the Islamic world, and possibly the EU vaporized by Israeli nuclear weapons.
But then, the Palis are such deranged, psychotic, genocidal Nazi savages that they don’t care.
Eric, you may very well be correct.
There is much talk in Zionist circles-albeit muted-that the world better pay attention to the genocidal aims of our enemies, namely the Iranian Hitler who intends to launch a WMD our way.
These discussions center around the Samson Option, an option that no leader wants to use, but may very well be forced to.
It goes like this-IF our leaders come to the conclusion that a WMD is on its way, one of two things will happen.Either we will successfully pre-empt them with ‘surprises
of our own, or, if heaven forbid not, we will launch the mother of all destruction.
The thinking goes thusly-IF we will not survive, neither will our enemies, not only Arab ones, but Euro capitals who stood by and did nothing to prevent a second Holocaust.
It is an open secret here that our most lethal of weaponry are pointed in several directions.
Use your imaginations……
Adina:
Martin vanCreveld, (no righty be he) has basically said that an Israel going down will take the whole world down with her. I assume Israel would not aim at the USA or Canada, but if an Israeli nuke hit Russia, or even a France run by hard-left Socialists, it’s a safe bet that the USA would be the object of THEIR retaliation, since there would be no Israel left to hit.
I suspect the leaders of the EU know this, but do not care. They are so obsessed with their insatiable hatred of Jews that any sense of self-preservation simply has gone out the window. We already know that the Iranians are willing to lose hundreds of millions of Muslims to kill the world’s Jews.
… but Euro capitals who stood by and did nothing to prevent a second Holocaust.
Is not correct as they did not stand by but aided and abetted by supplying finance and rhetoric every time the Arabs got themselves into a fix.
Everyone with any brains knows the plans for this are already made, which means that the entire left is completely oblivious about the idea.
While you are about it. If you could please take out SanFransicko, LA, Miami, Portland, Boston, Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, and of course Beserkely. We would sure appreciate it. You would do both the USA and the world a great service.
. muslims have been nothing more than petty thugs, serving a child raping warlord since the beginning. and they have not grown since then. They do not want peace, or tolerance or coexistance. they want muslim rule. and islam to dominate everything. they will lie, cheat steal and kill to get it. they state this daily and their actions back it up. there is no reasoning with them, because our values are fundamentally and completly different from each others PERIOD! its time we stop delaying what needs to be done. I know people will say how evil i am and so be it. all i know is this appeasement and reason and trying to win hearts and minds has not worked and we will keep delaying until someting happens that makes 9-11 look like a flippin paper cut. and then what will you say. every attack on us, every death of an american is directly the result of our ability to grow a spine and do what is needed.
The very FACT that the godfather of global suicide terror was the leader of the PA state movement;the very FACT that his Holocaust denying protege is its current leader;the very FACT that PA/PLO/Fatah/Hamas leadership have destroyed thriving economies-at least in comparison to the Arab world-in order to wage Jew-killing, should be proof positive to all sane people that the PA is NOT interested in statehood, rather in the destruction of another state-Israel.
Moreover, one can look at EVERY PA map and see that Israel is eliminated from the region,poof, not even a speck of dust is left.
Furthermore, what does one make of a PA leadership which grooms its children for jihad martyrdom, and not how to be future good citizens?
A PA leadership which names ! its streets, institutions and every other avenue after bloody terrorists is by definition an anti-state.Those who believe this is a fantastical assessment are free to get a glimmer of the above at Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) and MEMRI, both sites will bring you right into the (diabolical and bloody)heart of the matter, all in their own words!!
While little kiddies barely out of nursery school train in warfare, and while little kiddies sing songs about killing Jews, the apes, pigs and monkeys of the world, their goal to liberate Palestine, what else is there to wonder?
Indeed.
“Little kiddies barely out of nursery school”
Actually, there are photos and videos of nursery and kindergarten aged children at a school event with fake suicide bomb belts strapped to their chests and their hands dyed red with ‘blood’.
A simple search should pull it up – I have seen it, but don’t have a link.
“The Palestinians are no pessimists.”
The Palestinians naturally play with the cards they posses. Why Israel hasn’t “won” yet is beyond my comprehension. The time is running out and Israel must win. There ought to be a decisive blow and victory.
Maybe next year …
Israel hasn’t won because it’s not simply about the “Palestinians.” It’s about the entire Arab world and much of the non-Arab Muslim world, including Iran, Pakistan, and lately Turkey. All these governments pursue the destruction of Israel as a fundamental ideological goal. The 1948 defeat of combined Arab states by a motley of badly-armed Jewish militias is a great source of humiliation in the collective conscious of Arab Muslims. Reversing that defeat is the primary goal in the global agenda of world Islam. This includes America’s “allies” such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia, despite their occasional tactical cooperation with Israel against common existential threats. The whole formulation of “Israel vs. the Palestinians” is nothing but Arab propaganda created to make Israel look like the bully, depriving a small people of their right to self-determination.
As for the so-called “Palestinians” see this: http://israelifrontline.blogspot.com/2010/11/when-arabs-became-palestinians.html
This is absolutely true. When I was doing research on the region, people would ask me ‘what about Israel and the Palestinians?’ – I had to explain to them that there is no closed-system called ‘Israel and the Palestinians’, but rather a larger, more complex map upon which the situation plays out.
By the way, there is none so blind as those who refuse to see. The most blinded of all are racist Jew haters, the likes of which would make a two dollar whore blush.
Let’s stop mincing words and call them(both the PA Arabs and all who support staticide against Israel) like they are-anti-semites of the highest magnitude !
Certainly not. at least one of the Justs of Yav Vashem was an antisemitic of first magnitude but she didir«t want Jews to be killed. Those who support the Palestinians do. Let’s use ahother word: they are alternazis .
There is NO ‘peace process”.
The day Israel AND America say to the Palinazis:
“It’s over. No more money. No more support. No more food.
Grow your own vegetables and cattle, feed your own families, and look after yourselves. Build grocery stores instead of bomb factories. And if there is ONE terrorist incident from you, we will kill 1000 of you for every Israeli victim.”
is the day the Palinazi terror begins to end. Palinazis are the world’s violent, barbaric spoiled children. The more they’re coddled, the worse they behave. And the less self-reliant they are, the more self-loathing they are.
Of course, the origin of Islamism is Islam, so terrorism will NEVER end. But if WE don’t feed them, they’ll have to spend more time figuring out how to eat and will have less time to concentrate on killing Jews. And maybe, just maybe, they’ll comprehend that there’s pride to be gained from feeding yourself.
Perry, you have stated the case quite well. Those Jews with their greenhouses that were expelled from Gaza are an indictment against the Palestinians because they have proven the possibilities of producing food products instead of violence. I have more to say but will put it in a separate post.
It’s more than just the paleostinians vs Israelis. It’s the very foundation of islam. Submit or die. And in the event that Israel ceased to exist, islam would turn it’s eyes to other parts of the world and claim reparations for some perceived injury. And on and on into eternity. And finally, when the entire world is dominated by islam, they will kill each other. Sunni vs Shiite. Until all are dead.
Such is the nature of the religion of peace.
Michael’s assertions do not show that the Palestinians, as identified today, were a national group at the time of the mandate, since even his references show “Palestinians” meant simply the people living in the mandate area–which included what today is called Jordan. Until 1948 at the very earliest the only people who referred to themselves as “Palestinians” except in the technical sense of where they happened to live were Jews.
The idea that the Palestinians of today want anything less than the destruction of Israel can only be held if one refuses to listen to absolutely everything the Palestinians say to each other in every conceivable medium from mosque to television. Except for the soft words offered to foreign diplomats and commentators, they never indicate they even contemplate living in a state side by side with Israel.
The arab Palestinians changed the meaning of the term “Palestinian” after the Jews became “Israelis”. Before Israels proclamation and it’s nationalitiy law (1951) “Palestinian” was the CITIZENSHIP of ALL legally residing inhabitants of the (mandated) State of Palestine – and not the “nationality in citizenship” (Arabs, Jews, Bedouins, etc.). Today the term “Palestinian” only includes the Jews (and their paternal descendants) who lived in Palestine before the mandate, also reflecting the view that the immigration of Jews during the mandate was without the consent of the majority of Palestinians. Then, even most of the jewish Palestinians were antizionist or at least against “political” zionism.
The Israelis did nothing to create the Palestinian mess. As Mr. Solway notes in his article, the Palestinians have rejected land and statehood since 1937. The thug-in-chief Yasser Arafat used them to blackmail every Arab state for decades. Read Aaron Klein’s excellent book, “The Late, Great State of Israel,” to learn the truth. What kind of people allow themselves to be refugees for over 60 years? And, here’s a question I never hear asked: Why don’t the other Arab states help these people? You never hear of any other Arab state coming to their aid. The fact is that they know that the Palestinians are trouble. King Hussein of Jordan found out the hard way in the early 70s. He allowed them into the West Bank, where they immediately started attacks on Israel and also made the area into a trash heap. He had his military kick them out. Lebanon, to its dismay, took 200,000 of them. What did they do? They started fighting with the Maronite Christians and caused the Civil War that ruined Lebanon. Look up Palestinians and you will see that they have contributed nothing to the world. Their cultural contributions are listed as beadwork and an arcane form of poetry. When Israel ceded the Gaza Strip to them, they bulldozed state-of-the-art hydroponic greenhouses, recreation centers, and hundreds of beautiful homes. Also look up the list of Nobel prizewinners–there are dozens and dozens of Jews and almost no Arabs. The Palestinians are destroyers and the Israelis are creators.
What every so-called “leader,” whether American president, European prime minister, Russian tyrant, Israeli conciliator/pleader, or Arab kleptocrat is afraid to utter is the solution that will come inevitably to be no matter who says or supports what: a. a lot of people, mostly Palestinian Arabs and Hashemite Jordanians, but also plenty of Israeli Jews, will be killed and then b. what is now called Jordan will become “Palestine,” and the land from the river to the sea will become “Israel.”
They are all afraid to say so because reality is frightening to the fearful. And they are afraid of being identified as “imperialist,” “colonialist,” “racist,” “anti-Semite,” etc… all the bogeymen of our historically uninformed time. And reality is that neither the Jews nor the Arabs will give up until one day (sooner rather than later, I imagine) it’ll all blow up.
The Pawnestinians are merely fronts for kicking the can down the road on the two state solution.
Radical Islamists are not interested in a two state anything. The are One Worlders and the game of “Risk” they are willing to play is for keeps. They have a multi-level attack going. An inside game and an outside game.
The good cop, bad cop ploy mirrors the radical leftist One Worlders in many ways. The “inside” crowd puts on a mask and tries to look “centrist”, “compassionate”, soothing, and anything but radical.
The two One Worlder groups even champion each other, take on each other’s language, lexicon, pop phrases and sometimes co-opt ideas.
The Pawnestinians are the to radical Islam what the useful idiots are to radical leftism.
Radical Islam and radical leftism are parallel tracks on the same train wreck toward One Worldism. Which ever group gets there first, wins.
There is no lie, there is no deceit, there is no treachery so great…that they won’t commit it. The first order of business is to own the narrative. Thus, all channels of mass communication must be geared toward slandering the “enemy”. For radical islamists…this is Israel…and America, as well as the West.
Western “thought” needs to be destroyed. Again, from within…replaced by Sharia. Or death. Either is just as good.
For radical leftists, no lie, no deceit, no treachery is too great. The channels of mass communication must always slander the “enemy” and put down principled dissent. The anarchists wish to do this “by any means necessary”. The communitarians wish to do it by stealth, hiding behind “populism”, “compassion”, “do-gooderism”. It’s a head fake. A sham.
The radical leftists want to tear down the system and therefore their main attack is your pockets and purses. They have to hide the fact that they want to steal your money. The radical islamists want your soul.
The One Worlders own the mass media, they have seized the channels of mass communication as the first order of business. All matters are “settled” when they say they are settled. They brook no dissent.
Both sets of One Worlders are at war with you…they simply won’t declare it so as to keep you dumb, in your seats and hesitant, halting, and slow.
In fact, they will ridicule you if you point at the war plan…call you a tinfoil hat wearer, McCarthyite, racist, warmonger, homophobic, …every insult they can hurl. And, they will have their mass communication channels blast the airwaves with those insults, turning pop culture against you. They will have their entertainment stooges put you down. They will have their academia professorial “in loco parenti” plants indoctrinate your children.
The Pawnestinians know by now what their role is. They are the perpetual “martyrs” in the Middle East game of hide the salaami. Here in America, we rotate martyrs. “Dream Act” kids, or undocumented worker parents, inner city folks, people of color, gays, …whatever. As long as it works to divide and conquer…it’s fine with the radical leftists.
One Worlders are in a race to rule the planet. We get to watch to see which billionaire wins. George Soros or Osama bin Laden. How fun is that?
cfbleachers it would be hard to add to your description. I had planed to post a comment and am constrained between a separate post and an answer. I believe I should go to a separate post with strong support for you description.
How about Soros bin Laden?
I can’t believe that the world hasn’t seen through this masquerade, yet. How stupid do you have to be to pursue this crap for this long and not see the writing, that the Arab community itself has written, on the wall. What kind of ignoramus continues to poke a wire into an energized electrical circuit in the belief that continued survival is expected?
The Arab world is tribal. Tribal conflicts and hostilities go back hundreds of years, like the Hatfield’ and the McCoy’, they can’t get over their historical pettiness (except in the name of ‘Islam’). Hate and conflict are what they live for. Wise up.
With regard to the Palestinians, an opportunist is an optimist who sees the future value in creating difficulties.
Is this equivalent to creating a crisis to Never allow a good crisis to go to waste as Rahm Emanuel said?
In the process, they will continue to be abetted materially by the West, which has allowed the Palestinians to set a subliminal agenda that does not involve a compromise resolution but projects ultimate victory. It’s a solid plan with a reasonable chance of success, if Israel does not wake up to the crafty and dangerous game that is being played.
This is the first time that a notable journalist has mentioned what with hindsight seems to be the truth behind this sordid process.
The West wants to keep its hands clean.
I don’t think it makes much difference if Israel is awake or not, because Europe has demonstrated its willingness to go along with international sanctions against the Israelis given the right mood in the UN.
This issue is simple beyond simple. The so called Palestinians and the other arab nations that have boxed them in to the position they are in want the Jews gone. Israel has tried to show these folks how to prosper but these arabs only have hate and death as their teacher and goal. The only way the Palestinians, or any of the others, will change their way is to be thrashed totally and completely militarily to the point that they no longer want war themselves. That goes for the rest of the trouble makers as well (N Korea & Iran). Take an honest look at history to see the truth in this.
These post show a lot of comprehension but there is something that has not been touched. Some of you do not like what our Bible has to say but, from my experience, it has been a reliable guide.
It is not the Jew, the Israeli, but the God of Abraham who is being rejected. And is the God of Abraham who will move in due time to quash all the machinations of the world against Him.
~1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.~
It is this rejection that we see because the Jews are attached to that concept. The Jews, in general, have rejected that rule all through their history.
~ Lu 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.~
Up to this point Israel has been trying to make peace according to our flesh but it must be peace according to our spirit. We must believe that he who comes in the name (nature and character)of the Lord is blessed. This is no play on words but a statement of belief.
The Palestinians and the Left, which is the Bolshevik revolution, has no intent to make peace with our God nor any who follow Him or even alleged to believe in His name.
Israel will likely need to acknowledge that it is our God, the God of Abraham, that is is full control now and at all times.
Like the Niagara flowing toward the falls. Upstream the current is no problem but as we approach the falls it gets too strong to overcome and we have been falling away for years but the last 20 the current has become very strong and there is no guarantee that we can escape its grasp but we do know that the Lord has a way of escape for those who serve Him. Perhaps we can repent and get a reprieve but we will never be at peace with Palestine.
Merry Christmas, Whit. Nice to know there was someone standing by to pick up the ball when we Jews dropped it. There we were, chucking our history, our culture, our literature and our faith. Luckily you and yours were there to scoop it up. I guess that’s why The Iliad and The Odyssey are still Greek literature and the Bible is common property without authorship and belongs to everyone. Hey, we rejected God didn’t we?
In fact, the exchange between Samuel and the people was largely pragmatic. At issue was a military draft. The people made the point that a military draft was required to build an army sufficient to overcome the Philistines and a draft could not be enforced save by the absolute authority of a king. As evidenced by the Song of Deborah, the mere call to war by a prophet could not deter widespread shirking of national and religious duty.
Samuel’s response was equally pragmatic. An absolute monarch given the authority to enforce a military draft in time of war would also have the authority to enforce a civilian draft in time of peace.
History bore out the merit of both arguments. A military draft by kings anointed by Samuel led to the defeat of the Philistines. But under King Solomon–a child of royal excess, harlotry and cold-blooded murder and the first Jewish king born to the purple and raised in the palace– Samuel’s prophesy about the tyrannical nature of royals was borne out as well. Like all tyrants Solomon had a taste for grandiose civil works projects to burnish his reputation. The building of his temple and palace complex in Jerusalem required huge labor drafts and for the first time since Egypt, Jews were reduced to slave labor.
The most important lesson to be learned from Samuel’s exchange with God regarding the people’s demand for a king is that the people’s will supercedes that of prophets and even that of God himself. God acknowledges that in demanding rule by an earthly monarch the people are rejecting God and his prophet. Nonetheless, the will of the people must be respected and God and his prophet must give way.
Biblical passages like the Prophet Samuel’s diatribe against royals and their exploitations is a large part of the reason that European kings and their Ecclesiastical partners long suppressed the Bible and literacy among European serfs. For princes royal and princes of the Church alike, Samuel’s opinions were anathema.
For the American Founding Fathers, Bible learned Freemasons, Deists and Protestant Christians bent on replacing absolute monarchy with a new and democratic system of government, there was much to be learned from Samuel, as their recorded discussions reflect. Their brilliant solution to the conundrum he faced–a democratic system of checks and balances that insures the will of the people and guarantees strength in war and freedom in peace–would have delighted the great Prophet.
There are few things as distasteful as a christian preaching at a Jew. Not only have they not the right they have not the reason. In fact after demonstrating nothing but hatred and vile acts over centuries they would be better either holding their tongues or voicing nothing but apologies.
Menachem,
As an Israeli Jew I find your remarks very offensive. Regardless of past behaviors of some Christians I would like to remind you that today, outside of Israel it’s mostly American Christians that form a solid front in Israel’s defense.
We don’t have exclusivity on the right to preach or criticize.
The Lord has told us that we should pray for the peace in Jerusalem. As there is really only one solution, let us do so.
And it is a good idea to buy a really sturdy shovel.
When terrorists strike at home or abroad, and PC propagandists rush to assure us that jihadist terror doesn’t reflect “true,” “peaceful” Islam, they’re not only wrong, they’re dangerous — because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against their mortal enemy.
And not only do self-appointed “experts” lie elaborately and persistently about Islam — they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with historical fantasy designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage — and thus less determined to defend it.
As the Progressives continue to help us with their politically correctness. we need to defend the “Anointed One” since his ratings are going (how do you say) into a hole in the sand? Oh, going down the toilet. So we will just let the liberal infidels call our jihad “domestic violence”? Let the filthy ones call it whatever they want. Never mind that my daughter had to pay the price for wanting to change religions? It is like when we told the stupid Americans that our Muslim scholars says it supports airline safety , but it is “deeply concerned” about the use of airport scanners that show nude images of the human body. How ignorant the Americans are. Now, lets get back to work , this white wire here goes to the detonator………….
Wow, wasn’t there just an article called “Muslims Behaving Badly”?
And another article called “Islam Expert Not Shocked by Disappearance of ‘Draw Muhammad’ Cartoonist”?
And another called “Christians Warn Against Double Standard in Wake of Quran Burning Row”?
And another “Koran Burning: How Dare the Muslim World Lecture America on Religious Tolerance”?
And another “Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan”?
And another “NYC Mosque Rhetoric May Harm Persecuted Christians”?
And another “Controversial Jesus TV Show Canceled in Lebanon”?
And another “Pakistani Court Acquits Christian Woman of ‘Blasphemy”?
And another “Prospects of Religious Freedom Appear Grim in Islamic Maldives”?
And another “Poll: 3 in 5 New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque”?
And another “Muslim Protesters Surround Worshippers in Indonesia”?
Gee, for so few radicals out there in the world, they sure get around, don’t they? But, they told us their religion was peaceful? You mean they lied to us? And we Socialist Progessive’s (I mean Democrat American’s) believed them? I guess I should stop watching the Main, I mean Lame-Stream Media? Oh my God, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, and PBS have all become Pravda America?
I wonder if the “strip joint” around the corner from the Mosque at Ground Zero was similar to the one that many of the 911 Muslim terrorists attended the night before they flew the planes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, etc murdering thousands, many who were women and children?
If these people were religious terrorists and not political terrorists or people acting out on political grievances, how could they have drank, gone to strip clubs, and rented hookers the night before they supposedly wanted to meet Allah? (Notice I didn’t say God, I said Allah). So if everybody doesn’t accept their version of reality, that somehow invalidates it for them. Everybody must believe the same things they do. Solution to this problem? Believe it or not, there is. It’s called an election and it just happened. Next, America needs to vote Barry Hussein Soetoro out.
There Never was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was Never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Bible, not once in the Koran.
What does the PA want? Besides Islamic conquest of all Israel, they want to conquer the Free World.
Supported by US/EU tax dollars, global jihadists, Palestinian Authority Seek Islamic CONQUEST of America, Britain and the world.
Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, Palestinian Authority TV, May 13, 2005: “The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world.”
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/terrorists-promise-more-attacks-like-9-11/39161/
American and British leaders must immediately explain to Americans and Brits why they finance the PLO/PA terrorist organization whose declared goal is Islamic conquest of our countries.
Islam basically traces its entire spiritual foundation to a half-Egyptian’s (Ishamel, son of Hagar) approval of his mum’s TURNING HER BACK on God AFTER A PERSONAL ENCOUNTER with Him (see Gen 21:15-21)–proof of it being that she looked for a bride for him from Egypt (which would be equivalent of the unconverted parents of a Hindu-convert to Christianity seeking a Hindu bride/groom for their newly-Christian child) and he accepted, not even bothering to stand up against this reversion to idolatry. The name of their so-called god “allah” is similar to the Hebrew term for “I will”, as used in Isaiah 14:14 (and verses which reference it–but nowhere else), the verse specifically is “I WILL ascend….above the throne of the Most High”. Even the quran reveals that “allah” cannot be same as Yahweh by its claim that “Judas was substituted for Jesus on Cross at last-second” (which would reveal that their god has a capricious, rather than holy nature if it were true–which it is NOT, as shown in Matt 27:5 and Acts 1:18). And I have shown earlier its similarities to the religion of Rev 13. Plus, Islam is the ONLY religion in the world which openly calls for the bump-off of any of its members who decide to leave for another religion (see the case of Rifqa Barry–a Sinhalese Muslim convert to Christianity in US–whose PARENTS have called for her to be murdered), as even shown in the personal testimony of “Sheikh Joseph”, an erstwhile Muslim from Nalgonda District (in Telangana region of AP, the least-developed area of the state AND the one with the highest Muslim percentage).
Time and time again, those making the same mistakes are blind to what makes them wrong.
First of all, knock it off when it comes to Palestine and Palestinians. Before 1948, they were known as South Syrian Arabs. So, weaning oneself off a crutch that those who demonize the Beduin Sheikh Salam al-Hoziel, amongst others, is a step in the right direction.
Secondly, stop looking at the Muslim world with the eyes of post Peace of Westphalia. For their highest priority is that they are Muslim, instead of a resident of where they live, or who are their ancestors. Just because they are different does not make them wrong. Besides Islam is based upon division of the world into the House of Islam and the House of War. The House of War is to be conquered, and subjugated, because they are not of the House of Islam.
What is needed is for the old deadwood in Foggy Bottom, Whitehall, the Quai d’orsay, and the rest of the Foreign Offices in the Western world, to be cleared out, and for new people to give the proper priority to the newest book by Walid Phares. Then real change will take place, rather than it looking like change is taking place, when all that is accomplished is that things remain the same.
So, to the deadwood who are justly castigated in “Dangerous Diplomacy” by
Joel Mowbray, I have this message for you: Retire or be retired. It can
be done peacefully, or a situation where people should go long on rope.
Financed by the US/EU/UK, global jihadists, Murder Incorporated, Palestinian Authority call for the Murder of All Jews and the Murder of Americans:
Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): “Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them…”
U.S. leaders must immediately explain to Americans and Jews, why the Palestinian Authority, whose goal is the murder of all Jews and the murder of Americans, are heavily financed, armed, and continually given advanced military training by the U.S. and inform Americans how many U.S. trained terrorists have been implanted into America. And explain why U.S. leaders demand that Muslim terrorists are given a terror state inside tiny, vulnerable Israel.
The U.S. military training given to the Muslim terrorists will be used on Americans (just as it is used on Isralis). Count on it.
Under this admin. and their socialist idealogy, many Americans are fed up with a President who continously chastises America for its greed, its wealth, defined by capitolism and its success which has been carried on by a Constitution which by the way has worked for over 200 years? Now you might ask how in the hail did we manage to elect a man who had no experience, no foreign policy expertise, a Jr Senator from Ill. with no plausable record, but only that of a Harvard graduate with minority status who graduated under the wing of some of the most radical leftwing ideaology one can find. No particular religous influence unless you count the Rev. Jer. Wright who preached “Politics” of the left instead of relying on Divine Guidance’ from A God he claims to know? Yet all evidence so far would suggest Barry Hussein O is far from claiming any one or any person while relying on his own self directed projections. So here we are. One if not the most critical time in Amerian history. We are being threatend to be annihilated by Iran and madman Armdj. and his Russian supported Nuclear scientists who not only hate America but Israel as well. Now we are under seige by the Lefties radicals who have subdued the Democratic party into whipped submission of Mao and Che lovers! Now that the November election has spoken, the radical Progressives of this Administration (before any vestiage of the America we all know and want back to disappear) will try to gobble up our liberties even quicker by a President who never met an Arab or Muslim he didn’t like.
In all fairness, the Palestinian Arabs rejected a 2 state solution during the British Mandate because they felt the land was theirs but land has always been parceled out according to armies and not morals and ethics; Israeli ethics won and Palestinian Arab ethics lost based on armies. The Palestinian Arabs threw the dice for all the land or none when they could have had half and lost.
How would America react if a de facto plurality of Mexicans because of unbridled and illegal immigration suddenly declared a state in the SW U.S. and wanted to negotiate? If the Mexicans could somehow militarily pull it off, the U.S. would probably not take anything less as a goal than the complete exertion of their old sovereignty unless they suddenly discovered a pragmatism the Palestinian Arabs do not have but have had forced on them; you can take it either way but reality wins the day. Considering the race rabble rousing by Rep. Gutierrez and the National Council of La Raza, there would definitely be a racial element to any conflict.
Although the Palestinian Arabs had no such sovereignty it was because of them being second class citizens for 5 centuries under the Ottomans. Whether they had a previous presence or not is not the issue for Jews but how they reestablished that presence, somewhat similar to what Latinos are doing in the SW US, fantasy history or no. On the other hand there is reality and acts of war and terror have not enabled the Palestinian Arabs to do anything but make themselves second class citizens in a land they could have had half of.
This is not a case of right and wrong but what people CAN do. Illegal Latino immigrants come to the U.S. because they can and all the laws and ethics surrounding their presence won’t mean a damn without the muscle and resolve to back it up.
There is little doubt that the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters will not be happy with the continued existence of Israel out of sheer cultural stubbornness and so it becomes a matter of pragmatism or lack of it and Israel’s better military versus pie in the sky what should be; the PA’s don’t want the Jews there but they are – many Americans don’t want illegal Latinos in their millions in the US but there they are.
I guess in the end might and reality makes right and de facto is the name of the game. How many time are the Palestinian Arabs going to bang their heads against a wall? Well, patience is a virtue but Orwell’s boot smashing your face forever is not – pick your poison. Forget about law in this instance – keep your powder dry and the other’s wet. There is a lesson here about illegal immigration in the US and we are going to go the way of the Mandate of Palestine in some fashion in the SW at worst (very unlikely) and have the equivalent of a National Council of La Raza Latino Congressional Caucus at best.
By immigration, Jews did to the Mandate of Palestine what Latinos are doing to the US but without the European exceptionalism of the Jews to pull off anything but a numbers game really. Still, it’s worrying. What’s California going to look like with 75% Latinos but US laws that are ignored at will? De facto is as de facto does. Welcome to Aztlan and the Age of Copper but with a shiny veneer of American exceptionalism fading into the sunset.
This article could not be more true. From the Holocaust-denier’s mouth himself reported on Christmas Day no less:
“We have frankly said, and always will say, if there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=200935
What is his plan to get rid of the Jews who already live there? One can only guess.
Yes, waterwillows and whit, the only answer is the Reign of the newborn King on Earth as it is in Heaven!
The “refugees” of “Palestine” do not want a state. They want blood. They want pity. The last thing they want, at this juncture, is a freaking state. This is most particularly true of the Terror Dons who rule the Territories. To claim statehood is to take on international responsibility. What would that profit them? They would have to live up to certain minimal standards of conduct. As it is now, they have enormous sums of money pouring in from the West with no strings attached. And the greater the atrocities they commit against Jewish and other innocents, the more they get paid, tax free.
No no. The “Palestinians” and their death-cult overlords are doing just fine thankyouverymuch without a sovereign, UN-designated state of their own. If the Palestinians were to wake up tomorrow with such a state in their possesion — Nay, further than that, if they were to wake up tomorrow with every Jew in the region blotted from its face — would life be any better for them? Would their prospects be brighter? Would they be happier? Would they be notably more confident and self-satisfied? Would they be energized to forge ahead into a bright new future?
Hell no. They would be at each others throats in nothing flat. And that, too, would be our fault.
in a world of lies and deceit the policy of the so called palestinians that dont even exist, is the right one. keep on and make the lies even bigger and more outrageouos and the world will eat it up.
hell the israeli public brainwashed by the establishement and its media etc even thinks the poor palestians blah blah blah
however with the passing of time, oslo diaster, gush katif, the israeli public is waking up to the true reality.
the new jihad is feel sorry for us victims arabs see how we suffer
well to hell with all these damn lies and lies and lies.
truth is powerful and simple. israel is my home and i was born here and am not giving it away to anyone. no muslims from sudan???? yah really or any other kind of anyone.
my home, i am a jew who goes back to david our king and these temporary blimps on the pages of history treachorous jews who want to give my home to my enemies will dissappear in a fog of time
kissinger and his gas camps, and the elite paid by hamas shalom achuv etc will blow away and the arabs will run one day. there is a god who is protecting us and will do great and marvelous miracles for us if we tell the truth and be proud jews guarding our homes.
“Abba Eban’s famous remark that the Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity is true only to a certain extent” I don’t think is true at all. The truth is as Golda Meir once said. ‘Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate the Jewish children’. Is time to put an end to the whole charade called two state solution or middle eastern peace. As the writer eloquently described, the Arabs had plenty opportunities to achieve lasting peace, but they didn’t because;
The Arab never had or ever will have any intention to live side by side with Israel. The more the Arabs reject a real peace, the bigger looser they will become. People may not realize, but After The collapse of the Ottoman empire, the entire middle east map was drown solely based on the interest of the Western Powers, and not on its sustainable natural ethnic, cultural or religious division. Sooner or latter(most likely by mid century) the entire regional map will change. The new map may include new Kurdish state, even fully christian Lebanon, and not any Palestinian state, because one already exist it is called Jordan.
So…West Bank should become part of Jordan? What if the Hashemites are overthrown and replaced by an Islamic theocracy?
If you believe Israel should hold on to the West Bank, are you willing to give the Arabs there the same rights as Israeli Arabs? If no, what is your rationale?
Opposition to two state solution = Support for Lebanonization of Israel.
“The Palestinian Agenda: End Israel”
Don’t bother me none.
I know I intend to do everything in my power to destroy all the Muslim imperialist colonialist states, and drive the invaders off every square inch of the Jewish/Christian lands they’ve stolen, even if it takes 5,000 years to get the job done.
Yesterday Cordoba, today Jerusalem, tomorrow Alexandria and Constantinople.
They have their agenda, and I have mine.
And, we all have a right to our little agendas, don’t we?