The ‘Obama Intifada’ Begins in Israel
This Passover, as in every previous Passover, the struggle for Jewish survival continues.
We now face an administration that has turned a bureaucratic flap over an incomplete building permit into a diplomatic crisis with Israel.
Ramat Shlomo is a Jewish neighborhood. The Arabs never protested building there because the Arabs never envisioned that Ramat Shlomo would be turned over to them in a final peace accord.
Twelve years ago, major construction began in Ramat Shlomo without a stone being thrown.
Today, a fourth stage of a seven-stage building permit and the rebuilding of Jerusalem’s central synagogue, malevolently and illegally destroyed under the Jordanian occupation, creates an Intifada, the Obama Intafada.
Obama has created negotiation positions for the Palestinians they themselves knew were unrealistic. But no Palestinian leader can afford to demand less for the Palestinians than the Americans are willing to demand for them.
First there was the demand for a settlement freeze as a prelude to negotiations. But negotiations took place all the time while settlements were being built. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas never asked for a freeze as a precondition, but once Obama carved out that position, Abbas had to fall into line. Can the Palestinian president be more accommodating to the Israelis than the Americans are?
Then, of course, the Obama administration put the building freeze in Jerusalem on the table. Abbas never asked for a freeze in Jerusalem until after the administration took the lead. Does the Obama administration believe they can make Jerusalem Judenrein (“Jew free”)?
Building in Ramat Shlomo, and the reopening of the central synagogue, the Huvra, transformed into rallying cries for a new Intifada, about which the administration remains mute. Whenever Jews choose to return to where they lived before the Jordanians evicted them, they are met with outcries from the international community. This is the same international community that chose to be blind and mute about Jews being evicted from their homes and cut off from their holy places during the Jordanian occupation.
Obama wants to be the American president who created a Palestinian state, and his vision is clear: Israel returns to the ’67 boundaries and large segments of Jewish Jerusalem are given over to the Palestinians for a capital.
There are two problems with that offer. First, it has been rejected by two Palestinian leaders, Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas. Second, the refugee problem now overshadows the issue of territory. No Palestinian leader has ever said that the return of the territories is a sufficient or even a necessary condition for peace. Yet all forays into the “peace process” behave as if territory will solve everything.
This is the view of the vacuous liberal elements of the Jewish community, who seem to suffer from a terminal case of battered wife syndrome: Just give them more land and they won’t blow themselves up. They are really nice people when they are not teaching their children jihad or celebrating the deaths of their “martyrs.”
The Palestinians want three generations of Jew-hating refugees settled within Israel’s borders, a demand designed to topple the Jewish state. That is not going to happen, but there are options in terms of compensation, if only the Palestinians were serious about negotiations.
To date, the Obama administration has exceeded the demands of the Palestinians. The administration’s public face has hyped the proximity talks, a throwback to 1992 before there were direct negotiations, and the administration has refrained from making a single demand on the Palestinians for concessions, not even for direct negotiations.
We already know what a Palestinian state will bring Israel. Gaza is the laboratory for that. The Israelis withdrew from Gaza. Jewish philanthropists bought the settlers’ greenhouses and donated them to the Palestinians, hoping to give the Palestinians an economic livelihood. Instead, the Palestinians vandalized the greenhouses, tearing them apart for the value of their scrap copper and tubing. This was followed by an escalation of Kassam rockets and subsequently by Iranian-supplied Grad missiles. Gaza became a launching pad for attacks on Israel.
And so, too, will become the Judean Hills above Ben Gurion Airport. The airport will become the next Sderot.
What my liberal Jewish friends forget is that the Palestinians do not even have to fight the next war; all they have to do is position themselves so as to make life in Israel miserable, so that those Israelis who can leave will leave.
The Palestinians have repeatedly shown that they are interested in pseudo negotiations about a “peace process,” but they never have shown any real interest in peace through deeds. No Palestinian leader has ever suggested that the return to the 1967 boundaries, what Abba Eban called “the Auschwitz borders,” will lead to peace.
What our liberal American Jewish community has done and continues to do is to mindlessly embrace this administration and project the community’s own values on to the Palestinians. We are engaged in mirror imaging and are playing recklessly with the lives of over six million Israeli Jews.
The real chance for peace will come from strength, as Ronald Reagan showed with regard to the Soviets. Only by defeating this administration at the polls will there be a prospect for peace. To follow this administration blindly into the Palestinian abyss by weakening Israel means the end of the Jewish state.
This Passover season the struggle for Jewish survival persists as a modern-day Pharaoh, with a hardened heart, sits in the White House, deluded by his own narcissism and worshiped by liberal Jews who slavishly follow him.
What my liberal Jewish friends forget is that the Palestinians do not even have to fight the next war; all they have to do is position themselves so as to make life in Israel miserable, so that those Israelis who can leave will leave.
WRONG. Any Israeli who runs from the Arabs doesn’t even deserve to live here at all.
What happens is that if the Arabs (NOT PALESTINIANS) try to make us miserable, at some point, we ignore the Army, the Shabak and the traitors in Jerusalem and kill the Arabs off. We don’t leave. The Arabs die. Some of us die, too.
In spite of all their propaganda to the contrary, Arabs want to live, and not die, and they are not stupid.
The time will come when we Israelis will have to openly defy the Pharaoh in Washington and his flunkies in Jerusalem just to survive. And that time is rapidly approaching.
#1 Ruvy.
You say that the Arabs want to live. Guess what? Arab leaders don’t care if their people die. They would sacrifice millions of lives without a thought.
That’s what makes Iran & other Islamic crazies so dangerous. Trust me, I’m originally from an Arab/Muslim country & I know what I’m talking about.
But, you’re right – we aren’t leaving, no matter what, even if we have to fight in the streets.
Chag Sameach.
“The Palestinians have repeatedly shown that they are interested in…”
…murdering Jews, the odd American, as well as destroying the state of Israel.
Same old interests, different day.
The current situation in Israel is a direct result of American Jews electing a President with known anti-Semitic tendencies. American Jews have created this Obama Intifada. Without the vast support in money and media for Barack Obama, whose entire administration has an antipathy to Israel, Obama would not be President. The American Jewish Community gave about 80% of its vote to Obama, despite his having been a faithful member of the church of Jeremiah Wright, which puts on weekly displays of anti-Semitism. American Jews have put Israel in the crosshairs of a radical Jew hater. Anti-Semitism is now on the march, funded and voted for by American Jews.
The same sad story applies to the American black community, which voted for and funded Obama, whose socialist policies are most destructive to those in the decaying cities, who have the least margin for error. They need successful families and a good public education and a bit of law and order. All things which are inimical to Obama.
So, until American Jews and American blacks have the scales fall from their eyes, and begin to see that they are the masters of their own demise, America will be in jeopardy from this President who hates all that is good in this world.
Terry,
You are right about the Arab “leaders”. Which is why we will have to go after them first. They are the conduits for the propaganda that convinces Arabs to die for nothing. Cut off the head of the snake…. You get the idea.
!חג פסח כשר וסמח
This Passover season the struggle for Jewish survival persists as a modern-day Pharaoh, with a hardened heart, sits in the White House, deluded by his own narcissism and worshiped by liberal Jews who slavishly follow him.
I fully agree with you regarding Mr. Obama, but as a religious Jew I would add that there is nothing at all coincidental about the timing of this Passover Season and of Pharaoh Obama’s decision to make plain to all his desire to oppress Israel and use that oppression to force Israel to accede to his demands.
Israel now as during the Exodus will be faced with difficult and uncompromising choices by this new Pharaoh sitting in the White House, with his Dathan and Abiram, that is, David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, betraying Israel by advising Obama on how best to force Israel to obey his dictats.
Our question now is whether we have a modern day Moshe to confront new Pharaoh and tell him to “Let My People Go!”
Certainly Obama is tough and powerful, what tyrant who has oppressed Israel wasn’t? And didn’t we as the Jewish People, loved and protected by our One God, always overcome these pogromists, these Nazis, these Commissars, these Arab baby killers, these Pharaohs, and all the rest?
That is because Mr. Miller, we have Jewish sechel and what we used to called Yiddischekopfen, Jewish brains, and this is all we have ever needed to outwit and overcome these stupid, blundering, and all too often drunk with power Gentiles!
Am Yisrael Chai and Am Yisrael Mnatzeach! Israel lives and Israel wins, our One God has for three thousand years protected us from some really bad anti Semitic apples, many far worse than this piddling and pathetic wannabe oppressor of Israel Barack Obama. Indeed I really doubt that Barack Hussein Obama will be too hard for Him to help us handle. And when Obama falls, which he will, it will be spectacular almost as spectacular as the fall of the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
Never forget that Israel is the wisest, strongest, and most powerful People in the world, with God’s help we have quite thoroughly crushed all of our enemies.
Happy Pesach!
#4 Kent
Too true. David Geffen was an early supporter of the new Pharaoh, followed soon thereafter by Spielberg and Billy Joel, just to name the ones not requiring me to google. The word capo comes to mind.
At this time of Passover, it’s wise to remember that the vast majority of Jews chose to stay in Egypt and only a small percentage followed Moses.
A Miller, I appreciate the effort, but your “brainwashing” still has you delivering “politically correct”: lies of omission.
The USA demands a “terror state identical in tenor, to the one in Iran” be created on the West Bank/Gaza.
That is a fact: on the West Bank/Gaza:
1) They voted for the terrorist!
2) They support the terrorist!
3) They claim it would only be a “piece” deal, and even that they will not sign
4) There exist no political entity that is not terrorist, and if one, operative word is one, were found it would be crushed by the tyrant dictators.
Obama/Clinton demand the “terrorist state” for West Bank/Gaza.
Ah, fantasies about ethnic cleansing and genocide, anti-arab statements and generalizations worthy of classic oldschool anti-semites. Its good that the US has rational leaders in Robert gates and <Gen Petraeus who see that the support of Turkey and Dubai are essential in the war on Al Quaeda. And its funny to see that you all overlook the fact that the palestinian security forces are trained by american forces, and have been since Bush.
If Israel goes crazy the international community will have to step in and take away from you what they once gave. If you start murdering arabs in the streets, get ready to fight the US armed forces too.
I don’t think I’ve ever read it put better
“The real chance for peace will come from strength, as Ronald Reagan showed with regard to the Soviets. Only by defeating this administration at the polls will there be a prospect for peace. To follow this administration blindly into the Palestinian abyss by weakening Israel means the end of the Jewish state.”
A big “yes” to the above statement. The only problem is that the American Jewish community has abandoned it’s Judaism for Marxism and that’s the real reason why they supported Obama.
The left has always championed America’s enemies from the earliest days of the pro Stalin unionists to the current love of the Palestinians, the Castros, and Hugo Chavez. Che Guevara is idolized by the left. This is especially true of the Obama administration, as seen by its treatment of Iran and Russia to the detriment of Iraq, Israel, and our East European allies. Liberal American Jews are liberal first and Israeli supporters second, to the degree that they support a Jewish state at all. According to the following link among non-Orthodox Jews under 35, only 54 percent are “comfortable with the idea of a Jewish state.”
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=same_as_it_ever_was_09
Fnord, why hasn’t the international community stepped in and stopped the Arabs from murdering Jews in the streets? Could be because they are classic oldschool anti-semites.
“That is because Mr. Miller, we have Jewish sechel and what we used to called Yiddischekopfen, Jewish brains, and this is all we have ever needed to outwit and overcome these stupid, blundering, and all too often drunk with power Gentiles!”
Sheesh that’s some vile bigotry on display – sadly the poster writes openly what too many think or say privately. The non-stop obsession among Jews about their victimology has retarded a wider understanding among ALL who are threatened by Islamic Jihad. The zealotry to own oppression axiomatically guarantees more oppression.
Israel requires allies. You are not a master race, though the poster above seems to think otherwise. Jihad threatens the world, depicting Jihad as a squabble between desert tribes on a tiny patch of land has brought us to this point, and may have already sealed Israel’s doom. Nice work.
4. Kent: Your comment makes no sense, and as a fellow Hebrew I am ashamed by your words. To make compare Obama to the Pharaoh is to say that the people of Israel are currently slaves to the United States. I find that offensive to my homeland. Israel is a country and does not have a king. As a political entity Israel gets to make its own decisions. Those decisions will not always be in agreement with what the U.S. wants. However, as an independent country we are allowed to make those decisions. And as an independent country the U.S. is allowed to make its own decisions. What is best for one country will not be best for the other, but this is how things work when you have to independent countries. If the U.S. always has to bow to Israels will then the U.S. would be a slave to us. Also, Obama is the first U.S. president to host a Seder at the white house.
Israel should announce the that the apartments being built in East Jerusalem are for Ethiopian Jews. Obaminejad might then change his mind. I don’t think he would have the nerve to say that Blacks can’t live anywhere in the world they want to.
May I remind you that the original pharaoh of Egypt also “befriended” the Jews in trade for Joseph’s talents, before Egypt shackled you for 400 years?
I think you need to gain a foothold on clarity and recognize that no one sits in the pew of a church preaching blatant Jew hating without being sullied.
I am not so sure that liberal Jews and blacks will ever change. Liberal Jews are liberals first, Jews second, and generally speaking, they do not care about Israel. Blacks have been playing the victim/race card for so long, that they now belong to a collective think-tank of entitlement that the democratic party has regurgated from one generation to another. Both have blinders on and I don’t think that we will see much deviation from either group in 2012.
I don’t know Obama’s heart, but it is clear that he is taking the advice of advisors like Samantha Power and Rashid Khalidi who think Israel is the problem and needs to be dealt with.
Brian N. thinks Obama must be well-intentioned because he is hosting a seder. Are you that easily gulled?
How about this reassurance from days past… Arbeit Macht Frei.
Toronto Girl,
I concur and for once wish that someone running in opposition would publicly admit as much. Something along the lines of “I will not pander to your group(s) as your being dishonest about your open minded nature – you have no intent of considering otherwise. We share nothing in common but citizenry of the United States, therefore you should vote against me again. But understand, I will not waste one more minute of my time with you, nor will I if I am elected. The days of kowtowing to your whims are over.”
Then stick to the promise.
The pharoh reference highlights what appears to be an unstated entitlement that Israel has to military and financial support from the United States. I am wondering what the basis of this entitlement is? Is Israel some unofficial 51st state?
I have nothing against Israel, but I wonder if limits exist to what the US must do to maintain Israel, and if so, what are such reasonable limits? Is Obama actively hurting Israel or simply not supporting them as much as they feel they should be. I think Obama is a bum, but my questions about the proper role of the US vis a vis Israel as a perpetual financial and military dependent are independent of Obama’s bumhood.
To: P T Bull: The reason for financial and military support to Israel has to do with the the peace Nixon made between Israel and Egypt. Israel gave up the strategic Sinai and its oil fields for US aid. Egypt got an even better deal. They got back the Sinai with its oil fields and also got aid. No one seems to want to talk about what Egypt got and continues to get. The military aid to Israel is an indirect subsidy to the US defense industry. At least 80% of military aid must be spent on US equipment in the US. So, think of aid to Israel as a subsidy to the defense industry and the price of the return of the Sinai to Egypt. Although, Israel received under previous administrations a qualitative edge in equipment, Obama is reducing that edge, making Israel more vulnerable to Arab attack. I personally think US aid to Israel is harmful, and Israel would have been better off keeping the Sinai, its oil fields, and being less dependent on America. I guess the Israelis never perceived the likes of Obama or their betrayal by American Jews. As for one of the other writers, I have absolutely no illusions of what a Palestinian state would look like. After all, I did allude to Gaza. Calling me “PC” is a terrible insult, considering I spent my academic career fighting the “PC” bastards.
Hmmm..His name is B-A-R-A-C-K H-U-S-S-E-I-N O-B-A-M-A. His closest advisors (spiritual and political) are documented marxists and antisemites. Nothing to see people, move along, move along.
15. Well seeing as Obama just set in motion the enslavement of America, and that the American Jews continue to live in exile in defiance to the Lord’s commandment to return to Israel upon Israel’s rebirth, I’d say the assessment is well warranted.
17. Tex Taylor: and 19. steve: I think it is worth noting that while you are trash talking the man he is the first and only president to host a passover seder. Maybe it is a conspiracy to lull the American Jews into a false sense of security, but I think that is reaching a little bit. Perhaps you can just give the man credit where credit is due, and dislike him for the policies you dislike.
23. donttreadonme: actually his two closest advisors are well know Jews. You are just seeing what you want to see, and making things up conclusions in the process. I think it is your own racism seeping through. I am Jew and some of my closest friends are Arabs, but that does not change my love of my people.
To Mr. Miller. Thanks for the background. I agree with your observation that the aid is a defense industry subsidy. The defense industry has done quite well vis a vis the middle east.
#21. PT Bull: You question why America should support and maintain Israel. I would like to point out that in the entire Middle East, Israel is the only nation that has been a true democratic ally since her birth. They are also the only country in the Middle East that is actively seeking, infiltrating and eradicating terrorists on a daily basis. I don’t care if you like Jews or not, but if you like your freedom and care about the increasing Islamic threat to world peace, for that reason alone, America should maintain and support Israel. Obama is on the side of thugs, bullies and terrorists, so it is no surprise that he is antagonistic and resentful towards Israel.
22. Abraham Miller: “Israel would have been better off keeping the Sinai, its oil fields”
Refreshing with the return to the good old attitude from the middle ages. Napoleon, Treasure Island. What you conquer, belongs to you. Makes everything much simpler. Forget all the moralistic posturing. I like that. Or did I miss something? Is this just the Jewish way. If so, other cultures could definitely learn something there. We are militarily much stronger than all those 2. and 3. world countries. Why not use that power, take what we want. If we need oil, why not just go to Saudi Arabia and seize the oilfields. Very interesting. Maybe Israel has found a niche here, a vacuum that nobody else noticed was there right in front of us. Maybe we have just been temporarily blinded by the morals and tradition of modern democracy. Everybody thinks we are imperialistic pigs anyway. Why not really be what everybody says we are and get goods instead of just the blame.
Tex Taylor: I agree. So he hosted a Sedar. So what? The enemy is a sly one and makes bad look good and good look bad. Don’t be fooled by this one. His real motives lurk below the surface.
Brian N. – Interesting that you accuse me and Tex of trashtalking Obama. I don’t recall saying anything that would be construed as trashtalking. His chief political advisors, Ms. Powers, Khalidi, Brzezinski to name a few are longstanding opponents of America’s relationship with Israel. Brzezinski recommended shooting down Israeli planes, Powers wants to invade Israel to enforce a solution. You say, two of his chief advisors are Jewish. I say so what. You seem to have bought into some stereotypes, like that every Jew is a lock-step supporter of Israel. I can name numerous Jews who defame Israel every opportunity they get.
Also, interesting you accuse me of racism. What did I say that was racist? You don’t even know what my race is. I could be black. Baseless accusations are the sign of a weak mind.
32. steve: First, nowhere in #25, where I was addressing your comments, do I use the word racist. Second, when you basically accuse the man a being a nazi or just associating him with concentration camps, I would consider this trash talk of the highest order. I think you should stop making things up. Also, Khaldi is not and has never been an advisor to Obama. Further, Powers has been on record saying that Israels safety is important. I think that you are confusing disagreement with wanting to destroy a country. Are people not allowed to disagree with Israel on foreign policy? However, you are correct, not every Jew is a lock step supporter of Israels current policies. I think you have to remember that Israel is both a country (aka a political entity) and the Jewish holy land. I can dislike the current political decisions of the political body and still love Israel. But, can you fault the U.S. for looking out for its future first?
Brian N.
I am corrected about the misplaced racist comment, you directed that to someone else.
The rest you are trashtalking. I didn’t accuse anyone of being a nazi, I highlighted your logic that just because he is giving a seder that somehow we should be reassured. I’d rather he cancel the seder and focus on Iran instead of housing for Jerusalem. By the way, the mayor of Jerusalem says he needs to build an additional 150,000 units to satisfy both Jewish and Arab population growth, is the State Department and the President going to make this an issue every week when new housing starts are announced? Even the Palestinians didn’t consider this worth mentioning until the administration brought it up.
Khalidi has a longstanding relationship with Obama, Powers’s prior statements are well known, even if you are not aware of them. In what way is America looking out for its future by creating a conflict with Israel and taking attention away from the Iranian threat?
Isn’t nice to see such a young bright President having a seder. My only problem with it is that he is making a mockery of its meaning. If you are religious Christian or Jew, you know that G’d gave the land of Israel to the Jews. For two thousand we have endured countless attacks from others and for two thousand years we prayed to return to Jerusalem. We are as tied to Israel as we are tied to our Torah. Obama feeds and nurtures those who would kill us, rob us of our land, our heritage and our history. He is as full of himself as the Sun King, as intractable as Haman, and as vicious as the Pharoh. He sees himself as the king of all the goyim. People are to be ruled not represented is his motto. Tonight when I will sit down to pray and enjoy the seder, I will have an image of the Pharoh to look at, it has Obama’s face.
#28, it shows some generosity of spirit that you don’t care if I like Jews or not, but I am going to call you out on your vague insuinuation of anti-semitism. This conflation of US policy toward the state of Israel with ‘feelings’ about jews is kind of a blunt analytical instrument though it comes up every time I ask if there is a dollar limit to how much Israel ought to receive from the US.
But to make this abundantly clear, I love my children, but I don’t support them financially…
As far as democracy as a reason to support Israel, I am a libertarian and don’t believe in the use of the american military to annoint the masses with the religion of democracy.
The notion that we pay Israel and they exterminate terrorists has been advanced a lot and also is used to jusify the occupation of Iraq and Afg, but I submit the mere statement of it ought to make its moral shortcomings apparent–though I do benefit from said extermination of terrorists.
Its pretty hard to make a subtle point and keep the argument from slipping into the familiar grooves, but I would like to re-iterate a question I raised in my earlier post: Is Obama doing anything against Israel beyond simply not supporting them as much as they want? I mean beyond social and political snubs and jawboning.
I am trying to untangle the entitlement thinking from aid and comfort to the enemy…
Brian N.,
You’re right. I will give Obama credit where credit is due.
Obama has increased the yearly deficit four fold since taking office, divided the country further, jeopardized our “AAA” bond rating, rammed through a western European socialist health care program that the majority rejected, overseen 3.5MM jobs lost, treated the “stimulus” as public slush fund, spit in our allies eyes while bowing to Sauds, ignored Iran’s nuclear capability, acted like an arrogant bully, appointed one goon, communist sympathizer, red diaper baby, domestic terrorist that he associates with, declared war on FOX News, and cause mass chaos in Manhattan while his Amazon wife with camera in hand took pictures over ground zero. Did I miss anything important?
I will repeat something I said in another thread. In a discussion among republicans a few years ago I asked whether we gave too much money to Israel. A woman, who I know to be a true dolt, asked me if I ‘had any German ancestory’. Sure, if I don’t believe in a blank check, I might as well be operating an oven at Auschwitz…
I was too shocked to respond…
Upon reflection, comment 39 is not relevant to this discussion and if I could, I would delete it.
If you are an Israeli, then you can kiss your a_ _ goodbye. This administration L U U U U V e s your opponents. and your opponents are near to acquiring nuclear weapons. Amen. Don’t you just love that hope and change. Yellow dog Democrats, when 6 million Jews pay the ultimate price, you can whine to your prez.
will Fnord the political and moral heir of Vidkun Quisling be among the first to enlist in the battle against Israel? Probably not, unless the miserable, no-talent, clapped-out, washed-up little nazi scrote somehow grows a pair.
Bull, if Kadima were in power, or even in the coalition, the Israeli government probably would have frozen the settlements.
But Netanyahu, for now, has his electorate to answer to. What I hope is that enough voters lose faith in N. to bring down his goverment and elect a better one. But if they don’t? If Israel’s voters decide that their backs are against the wall & they have nothing left to lose – what then? Could you really advocate sanctions against Israel while at the same time winking at the genocidal regime in Iran as it rushed to build an H-bomb?
If I could make the rival of the ‘Great Helmsman’ would grant me an interview, he would only three questions:
“Mr. President Obama, you believe that a black man can live where it happens?
It cost me big if I answer ‘yes, of course, otherwise it would be racism, and you know very well that I do not admit racial discrimination, etc.’.
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“Mr. President Obama, you believe that a black man can live in Jerusalem you considered ‘occupied’ by Jews?
I imagine a similar response.
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“Mr. President Obama, and if that black was a Jew?
???
???
???
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End of interview.
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‘For the first time in history the world, thousands of blacks are being taken to a country not in chains, but with dignity, not as slaves but as full citizens’.
The pundits, the so called enlightened ones, can speculate from here to kingdom come what animates BHO’s animus, but it won’t change a damn thing.
What WILL be a game changer is a ‘reordering’ of the Middle East, courtesy of Israeli defense forces. While generally loathe to assert their FULL military might, as they stand down in the face of their politicized Generals and the Israeli political leadership-lest the Israeli leaders ‘offend’ Washington AND anger the perpetually aggrieved Arabs/ Muslim world-the coming summer is bound to reorder the deck chairs, so to speak.
We should all be watching for a VERY hot summer, not weather-wise, but courtesy of Israeli Dolphin subs, nuclear tipped too. I am absolutely positive that Israel’s decision makers understand the nature of this do or die moment. EITHER the Iranian Hitler will effectuate the Final, Final Solution-we ARE a one bomb state, as noted by the genocidal mullahs-or BHO will make sure to ‘look the other way’ while the jackals swallow us whole.
Therefore, while in the past Jerusalem had some faith in Washington having our backs-NO more. This will be a fateful summer, I pray we lay waste to the Iranian regime, ALL its military structure, thus allowing the Iranian people to start anew. I also believe that our leaders-wusses that they tend to be-understand that it is the Iranians who have to pay the price for their leader’s genocidal designs, thus sparing their own Israeli citizens from a second Holocaust.
Them’s the tragic facts…..
We had our first seder last night and we chanted the ten plagues. Right at the end of them somebody added Ahmadenajadh, bin Laden, and Obama and the chant continued with those names added. It felt so natural!
A thought…
Hebron was home to Jews for thousands of years. Before Islam, before Christianity, before the Temple fell, Jews lived in Hebron. One of our holiest sites is in Hebron.
In 1929, Jews in Hebron were massacred by the Arabs and then removed by force by the British.
In 1967, Jews began to return to Hebron. Yet this time, they were bad, they were settlers settling a land they had no right to not refugees returning home, they had no right to be there according to international opinion.
If 38 years of removal is enough to erase thousands of years of existence and rights in Hebron, why did the 38 years from 1967 to 2005 not erase the rights (if any) of Palestinians to any part of Jerusalem?
PT Bull,
Obama is ACTIVELY working against Israel by setting preconditions for peace negotiations that until his administration were never found to be necessary such as stopping all construction in existing settlements and, his latest demand, that all construction in ‘East Jerusalem’ stop. He keeps moving the requirements beyond what even the Palestinians expected but of course, now that Obama demands it, how can they say no?
In fact, Obama’s hissy fit over step 4 of a 7 part process to build homes for Jews in a Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem led to Palestinian violence within Jerusalem.
Oscar, Adina,
!!חג סמח ומועדים לסמחה
Kevin is right about the timing of all these events. Netanyahu is supposed to deliver an answer to Obama on his ultimatum tomorrow. This is to demonstrate that no matter how many s’darím are held, we Jews are still slaves and beholden to the big goy in the White House. If Netanyahu bends the knee to the filthy idol – the setting sun on the Potomac – then this summer will be hot indeed as HizbAllah destroys the major cities of our country and leaves them in flames. And this too will be the Hand of G-d arrayed against us for our lack of faith.
We left politics out of the Seder last night – precisely because politics are so tightly interwoven to the celebration of our liberation and Exodus from Egypt. We were enjoying ourselves, and frankly, as much as I wanted to bring the political dimension into the meal, we wouldn’t have been enjoying ourselves at all had I done so.
Just a reminder to the rest of you reading this. The Arabs are a mere hammer in the hand of our enemies. Our enemies are in Washington, London and Paris – and always have been.
46. Oscar the Grump: Clearly you are not Jewish. So what are you doing celebrating Passover? Also, you clearly did not read the haggadah. I do not even believe you had a Seder. If you had you would know that when we repeat the plagues we put a drop of wine on the plate in sympathy for the Egyptians. In our religion even if it was necessary for g-d to bring down plagues we feel sympathy because anytime one of g-d’s creations is hurt it is a tragedy. Also it does not even make sense to add them to the plague list unless you were saying g-d is punishing you (the Egyptian) to try and change your mind about something. Please stop butchering my religion.
As an Israeli living in Arad, Israel, I’d like to say that the thing that most intrigues me is the world’s preoccupation with Israel at this time.
Europe is being totally Islamisized and is now faced with choosing between Islam or democracy.
If it chooses democracy then it will no longer have a democracy in 25-35 years. Holland, Belgium and France will be the first to go I imagine and Holland has already talked of accept Sharia.
Sadly Europe shows no signs of giving up its democracies.
The US is staring bankruptcy in the face and Russia is fast gaining ground politically.
China is emerging as the number one economic power.
We are looking at the end of the white races domination.
And the world is seemingly preoccupied with Jews building houses in Jerusalem.
Am I missing something here?
Mike
@Adina Kutnicki
I don’t think there is any chance that Iran will use or attempt to use an atomic bomb, if and when it has one.
Why would it?
Islam is taking over Europe without using a bomb, of if there a bomb then it’s a demographic one.
The Ayatollahs are rich and have power and know that if a bomb were dropped, or they attempted to send one, that Israel could decimate all their major cities within hours.
The power that Iran wants is political and they also hope that many Israelis will leave Israel if they get the bomb.
Oh, and Israel is not near to being a “one bomb state”.
Mike
Arad, Israel
Brian N
I give a sh*t as to what you think. What we did was clear enough for us. Don’t interpret the Torah or the Hagadah to me. Its translated very clearly for me on every page we read. Its obvious you don’t really understand what it means. When we put a drop of wine on the plate with every plague, it is not in sympathy. It is an exclamation mark. It means G’d we hear you loudly and clearly and with full agreement. When we dump the spilled wine, we are also dumping the plagues. The three added names fit very clearly in the symbolism. Also explain to me why when the Rabbis are discussing the plagues in Egypt, they multiply them at the Red Sea. Are they also doing the wrong thing, Potz?
@37 PT Bull
You asked this:
“but I would like to re-iterate a question I raised in my earlier post: Is Obama doing anything against Israel beyond simply not supporting them as much as they want?”
Yes, he unleashed his European proxies to destroy Israel. The Brits were the first to threaten the Israelis with arrest!!-without any right or reason. Today the Jewish Milibrand suggested an arms embargo on Israel…only on Israel. Others will sure to follow because they understand Obama’s silent message.
Read the EU press please.
What most of you, my American friends don’t know but I did witness this sad fact at that time in the Communist E. Europe.
When the Arabs attacked Israel in 1967 the Soviet Union supplied the armament and the ideological support to the Arab armies.
The Communist Jews wholeheartedly expressed their support for the “Arab peoples liberation from the oppressing American Imperialism and its lackey the Israeli exploitation”. The World’s oppressed people all in support for the destruction of the Zionist imperialism and her American bourgeois supporters….”
Hey dear posters: do you think you invented anything new that Brezhnev didn’t try to implement? He had a large reservoir of Kapos just like the Kenyan Messiah has.
Nihil sub sole novum – Nothing new under the sun.
Brian N
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P T Bull
Aid to Israel
Hi,
It seems that you most likely believe that US aid to Israel is much more than it actually is.
The U.S. supplied Israel with $2.4 billion in military aid last year, but 80% of that money must be spent on purchasing arms from American companies, and it’s worth noting that Israel’s total defense expenditure was reportedly $16.2 billion last year.
As a pre-condition for receiving military aid from the U.S. Israel is forbidden from exporting much of its home developed weaponry to a whole list of countries.
It is also forbidden from buying from certain countries, and from developing certain projects that it would otherwise develop.
If America canceled military aid to Israel it would cause major job losses in the U.S. and Israel would start buying and selling to countries that are presently closed to it, and it would also develop weapons’ systems that it presently has on hold.
U.S. aid to Israel of 2.62 billion represents only 1.6% of Israel’s GDP.
All of the aid given to Israel by the US is military aid.
That’s right, ALL of it is military aid.
Mike
Let’s put aside emotions and stay with the unembellished, bitter, hard reality. There is a regurgitated but false axiom in the wider American social consciousness according which Israel’s very existence is owed to the American support and help.
- Untrue. During the critical first faze of the War of Independence – when Israel existence hanged by a thread in 1948 and the British armed the Arab Legion under Glubb pasha,- America offered no military help.
It was Stalin who ordered the Czech to supply arms to the fighting Jews. It was the French who delivered the nuclear reactor and other arms to Israel before De Gaulle switched to the Arabs.
All these facts don’t diminish the value of the overall goodwill and sympathy of the American people towards Israel – at least not until now – but to present America as the Savior of the Jews is way beyond reality.
In the end it was the Eastern European Jewish participation in the Manhattan Project which gave the US the ultimate weapon against Japan.
53. Oscar the Grump:
I have been to 27 Seders in my lifetime and they all say the same thing about the ten Plagues.
“Midrash teaches that, while watching the Egyptians succumb to the ten plagues, the
angels broke into songs of jubilation. God rebuked them, saying “My creatures are
perishing, and you sing praises?”
As we recite each plague, we spill a drop of wine—symbol of joy—from our cups. Our joy
in our liberation will always be tarnished by the pain visited upon the Egyptians.”
In conclusion you are an idiot and stay away from my holidays that you do not understand. You clearly are illiterate or did not read the Hagaddah. Also, there we do not read the Torah during passover seder. Try and get it right next year.
Brian N
So you’ve been to 27 seders in your life? Let’s see that should make you about 13 and a half. That sounds about right for your intelligence. Don’t worry young man, some day you will be walking along and you’ll cough. It will cause a sharp pain in your groin and your voice will change. Quickly after that you should discover girls, or in your case other boys. You will discover happiness.
The Torah explicitly outlines the seder services, for two days, eating unleavened bread etc. It is Miriam Moses’ sister who leads the people in excess jubilation after the drowning of the Egyptian army with her song and dancing.
Listen I don’t care if you call me an idiot, I’ve been called worse. As for Pesach being your holiday, it’s unbelievable arrogance. You don’t own Pesach and you can’t tell anybody to stay away from it. Also you can’t tell anybody how to interpret the meaning of the Hagaddah. The whole basis of Talmud is argument and counter argument. I’ll think and I’ll do as I want and as I see fit. Now let me see, I’ll do the math, I’ve been to 126 seders in my life. Stick that up your anal retentive a**. You pisher!
59. Oscar the Grump: Calling someone a homosexual always wins arguments, why did I not think to do it first. I dont know how you can consider yourself mature when you go to the lowest common denominator of an argument straight away. Although I do appreciate the Yiddish. I would consider you a alter tayrekh. First, I never said that the Torah does not mention Pesach, but that it was not part of the text we use during the Seder. So if it is a matter of interpretation, tell me what your hagaddah mentions about the 10 plagues and the drowning.
“As we recite each plague, we spill a drop of wine—symbol of joy—from our cups. Our joy in our liberation will always be tarnished by the pain visited upon the Egyptians.” The quote from my haggadah is pretty hard to interpret in anyway shape or form what you claim. Even if things are open for interpretation, some interpretations are so far off base that they are no longer reasonable.
To JL: Before you moralize and pontificate the PC nonsense you over paid for in acquiring your so-called college education, you might take note of international law. A nation state that fights a defensive war is not required to return its conquest. Nasser cut off the straits leading to Elat in 67, an act of war, and Jordan attacked Israel. Consequently, Israel could have kept the Sinai, to which Egypt’s claim is quite tenuous historically anyhow, and the West Bank. Now here is an exercise. Take out a map of Europe before and after World War II. You will see that boundaries affecting the nationality of 150 million people were changed. Russia fought a defensive war and decided it would never be vulnerable again to German aggression. No one disputed Russia’s rearrangement of Eastern Europe. And here I am not talking about the political arrangement of satellite states, a totally different and indefensible issue. But today, JL, Danzig is called Gdansk, and no one is talking about imperialism. Just why do you think that is?
Brian N. writes, “If the U.S. always has to bow to Israels will then the U.S. would be a slave to us. Also, Obama is the first U.S. president to host a Seder at the white house.”
The seder is our way of fulfilling the commandment to “tell the story” of the Exodus. The format we have today is however structured after the Greco-Roman symposia of early Mishnaic times. The Jews took that structure and made it distinctly Jewish. But the process works as well for those who want to strip it of that Jewish content – as Obama did by avoiding a reference to God, His promise to the Jewish people, the Promised land and (no doubt) by skipping the concluding “Next Year in Jerusalem”.
Brian, I could also reverse your statement as “If Israel always bows to the US, will then Israel be a slave to the US?” Israel is not a vassal state and shouldn’t be treated as one. And there should be an unwritten rule that no one is permitted to criticize US aid to Israel without simultaneously criticizing the even greater sums the US provides Egypt, Jordan, the Palestinians and Lebanon – none of whom act with US interests in mind.
ISRAEL no longer exists or can be found.
Go to the State Dept. official web site:
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/israel/
Type: Israel
And you will found this message in Large Red Letters:
WE’RE SORRY. THAT PAGE CAN’T BE FOUND AND MAY HAVE MOVED.
European. Cheer up! It is a minor oversight. Click on to the site and go to the lower right side. Type in Israel in the select oountry line and Israel will come up. I did buy a small globe with a pencil sharpener on the bottom. It was made in China. There was no Israel on that cheap little globe. In its place was a country named PALESTINE. Sort of like the Palestinian school text books.
Brian H
I never called you a homosexual, I only suggested that soon you will discover your own happiness. Again its a matter of interpretation, the way you find your happiness is your own business. Its surprising to see you jump at something like that at a mere suggestion. I guess you have your “cross” to bear. But, that’s OK, I’ll defend to the death the right for you to be anything you want.
I did check my haggadah, it says nothing about your interpretation. There are many versions of Haggadahs each with a different slant. One of our traditions as Jews is to discuss all the interpretations during the reading of the Haggadah. Each person is allowed to add to the discussion as the service goes on. Here is an example: The Jews had no time to let their bread rise and took the dough in bags on their backs which they baked later. Other interpretation: The women took the dough in bags on their backs which baked on their backs in the hot desert sun. therefore the bread remain unleaven. I suggest the Stone edition of the Haggadah as a way to bring in some of those beautiful interpretations. Remember, I never discounted your interpretations; however, I reacted to your rudeness and name calling. Please excuse me for having so much fun with you. You really deserved my tweeking.
The word is alter kacker not alter tayrehk.
In my Schule after services we sit down for a Kiddish. During the Kiddish we have some very insightful discussions about technical meanings of the Torah. I love to join those discussions as I learn from others and share the little I know. Learn something. Don’t join a discussion with an attack and keep an open mind. You might learn something and also teach something. People are more open to learning if not attacked.
My wife is calling. She’s telling me to quit playing with the children. I guess she’s right. Go discover your happiness whatever it might be. Wink, Wink!